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On November 26 2012 00:52 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 00:51 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 00:46 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 26 2012 00:44 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 00:34 Clarity_nl wrote:
I think it's just a 1shot, pick 3 people, they will take incremental damage for X cycles. I don't think there's much more to read into it. I do think it makes it more likely that djo and iamp are town though, although obviously it's possible one of us is lying about the damage. @ClarityAre you the one lying about the damage ? Does it matter how I answer? No, I'm not lying. So why did you say that this ability is picking 3 people ? Because I thought it was 3 people.
Anyway, you didn't carefully read my post when it was concerning you, regardless of your alignment. That makes me sad... And you would have probably known that it was apparently 4 players targeted if you were the one at the origin of this mess.
Sorry for this ^^
I think we have good chanced that we are facing scum iamp in this game
- iamp has been globally useless, doesn't try to figure out stuff and follows the flow of the thread
- he had bursts of inactivity, and has made magical appearance when called for it during D2 -> active lurking
- defended TheChronicler (defending he player who isn't clearly town is a scumtell in my book)
- he has shown no sign of scumhunting
- Acro first case against him during D1 makes some sense right now
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EBWOP: I forgot to add that he has claimed to be healed and I don't see any town player healing iamp. I think that the damage we are taking is 3rd party related and that iamp has been healed by mafia partners.
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On November 26 2012 00:38 marvellosity wrote:
I really really want to know why Acro doesn't want to be in the party.
@marv
Would you have put Acro in your party ?
Do you plan to reveal your party members anytime soon ?
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On November 26 2012 01:24 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 00:36 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 00:26 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 00:22 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 00:19 risk.nuke wrote:
Why am I like a ghost in these games. Even when I run for leader I am mostly ignored. I think it's because you are not active enough  I won't vote for you by the way, there are some people that I trust more. I understand how you feel if it can do any good to you. It doesn't do me any good, you're free to vote for whoever you want but even if you don't want to vote for me you can still comment on me for everyone's benefit. Well, I would not vote for the following reasons - The waiting game you have played yesterday with your vote on Sandro, nice way for not contributing during a lynch day
- The way you answered kitaman suspicions towards you ("scummy post from a scummy player")
- The fact that you are not active enough, I expect a party leader to have some leadership
- The fact that you take syllo and TheChronicler in your team. Dieno and Oats is better than syllo and Oats. TheChronicler is meh....
I have been active and don't get into sementics, would you had approved if I had said. I'm not going to take my vote of the scummiest player just because he's avoiding the thread. Kitaman had done squat all game which is more then enough to justify the title of scummy behaviour when he showed up with a pisspoor case against me. As I said I don't think Dia is a good addition to the team. Do you believe there are no repercussions to prevent town from beating the game using claims? And in addition to that he's lost the majority of his hp. Hypothetically what if a condition is if a teammember has less then x hp the mission will fail, or maybe it will fail and kill him. Syllo is by far better then both oats and dia, I've considered keith being better then oats aswell. And chronicler is very likely town. He's the one who copchecked toad so unless you think scum is trading 1for1 you shouldn't doubt him.
@risk.nuke
You have not been as active as marv for example. I would have liked if you have participated more in the scum hunt during D2. Toad was not so difficult to find for example... (Correct me if I'm wrong but I assumed that you were familiar Toad here)
Ok, fair enough.
Ok, that's speculating. I have more faith in a town Dieno than in a town syllo, and that's all what matters for me. Anyway, if we present 4 town members, the event is going to succeed for sure I guess. Easy enough imho...
What do you mean by "better" ? I'm only caring about the fact that they are more confirmed town.
TheChronicler could have bussed Toad with a fake cope claim. The only thing that indicates a town TheChronicler is this copeclaim...
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On November 26 2012 01:35 iamperfection wrote:
Also I explained my activity you should go check that post again
I don't give a fuck about your excuses. The fact that you pop up in the thread right now could be interpreted as active lurking but I'll give you a pass this time.
I would like you to post something constructive for a change. How about you find us some mafia player ?
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On November 26 2012 01:34 iamperfection wrote:
I was healed because someone is paying attention and thats ill I will say about that
@iamp
I would eat my hat is this "someone" is town. Paying attention ?
Like in "I should heal iamp because he is obviously the biggest asset of the town" ?
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On November 26 2012 01:46 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 01:38 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 01:24 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 00:36 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 00:26 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 00:22 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 00:19 risk.nuke wrote:
Why am I like a ghost in these games. Even when I run for leader I am mostly ignored. I think it's because you are not active enough I won't vote for you by the way, there are some people that I trust more. I understand how you feel if it can do any good to you. It doesn't do me any good, you're free to vote for whoever you want but even if you don't want to vote for me you can still comment on me for everyone's benefit. Well, I would not vote for the following reasons - The waiting game you have played yesterday with your vote on Sandro, nice way for not contributing during a lynch day
- The way you answered kitaman suspicions towards you ("scummy post from a scummy player")
- The fact that you are not active enough, I expect a party leader to have some leadership
- The fact that you take syllo and TheChronicler in your team. Dieno and Oats is better than syllo and Oats. TheChronicler is meh....
I have been active and don't get into sementics, would you had approved if I had said. I'm not going to take my vote of the scummiest player just because he's avoiding the thread. Kitaman had done squat all game which is more then enough to justify the title of scummy behaviour when he showed up with a pisspoor case against me. As I said I don't think Dia is a good addition to the team. Do you believe there are no repercussions to prevent town from beating the game using claims? And in addition to that he's lost the majority of his hp. Hypothetically what if a condition is if a teammember has less then x hp the mission will fail, or maybe it will fail and kill him. Syllo is by far better then both oats and dia, I've considered keith being better then oats aswell. And chronicler is very likely town. He's the one who copchecked toad so unless you think scum is trading 1for1 you shouldn't doubt him. @risk.nukeYou have not been as active as marv for example. I would have liked if you have participated more in the scum hunt during D2. Toad was not so difficult to find for example... (Correct me if I'm wrong but I assumed that you were familiar Toad here) Ok, fair enough. Ok, that's speculating. I have more faith in a town Dieno than in a town syllo, and that's all what matters for me. Anyway, if we present 4 town members, the event is going to succeed for sure I guess. Easy enough imho... What do you mean by "better" ? I'm only caring about the fact that they are more confirmed town. TheChronicler could have bussed Toad with a fake cope claim. The only thing that indicates a town TheChronicler is this copeclaim... you think acro faked his copclaim as well?
No, I trust Acro because Acro is looking like a fucking townie.
I'm inclined to mistrust TheChronicler because the obvious lack of scum hunting in his filter. Of course, I'm dropping my case against TheChronicler for the moment because the timing of his claim is right, but that's clearly not enough for me to include him in a party.
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On November 26 2012 01:46 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 01:44 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 01:34 iamperfection wrote:
I was healed because someone is paying attention and thats ill I will say about that @iampI would eat my hat is this "someone" is town. Paying attention ? Like in "I should heal iamp because he is obviously the biggest asset of the town" ? You'll eat your hat? How did you go from not mentioning iamp to suddenly being so sure he's scum? Sure your case has merit but it's not a knockout by any standard.
@Clarity
So, I was making this post about the damage that we are taking every cycle. Just to have some feedback on it...
The fact that iamp was the only one to be healed among the four of us stood out as really weird for me.
I was really wondering why anyone would have healed iamp. Like, I'm town, yeah, but if I was a healer, I would have healed Dieno first because of the damage he took during the first cycle, then Marv, then Oats even if it would have been some prevention (I don't know how it works). But iamp would not have been on my list, like not at all...
So, I decided to check his filter to discover a lot of nothing. I didn't like at all the fact that he re-appeared during day 2 after the fact that people where doubting his alignment in the thread. I've also reconsidered Acro first comments against him because I trust Acro more now and they had some truth.
That's how I found out that iamp might be scum.
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EBWOP: might is inappropriate here. At least, he may be scum 
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On November 26 2012 02:01 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 01:46 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 01:38 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 01:24 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 00:36 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 00:26 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 00:22 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 00:19 risk.nuke wrote:
Why am I like a ghost in these games. Even when I run for leader I am mostly ignored. I think it's because you are not active enough I won't vote for you by the way, there are some people that I trust more. I understand how you feel if it can do any good to you. It doesn't do me any good, you're free to vote for whoever you want but even if you don't want to vote for me you can still comment on me for everyone's benefit. Well, I would not vote for the following reasons - The waiting game you have played yesterday with your vote on Sandro, nice way for not contributing during a lynch day
- The way you answered kitaman suspicions towards you ("scummy post from a scummy player")
- The fact that you are not active enough, I expect a party leader to have some leadership
- The fact that you take syllo and TheChronicler in your team. Dieno and Oats is better than syllo and Oats. TheChronicler is meh....
I have been active and don't get into sementics, would you had approved if I had said. I'm not going to take my vote of the scummiest player just because he's avoiding the thread. Kitaman had done squat all game which is more then enough to justify the title of scummy behaviour when he showed up with a pisspoor case against me. As I said I don't think Dia is a good addition to the team. Do you believe there are no repercussions to prevent town from beating the game using claims? And in addition to that he's lost the majority of his hp. Hypothetically what if a condition is if a teammember has less then x hp the mission will fail, or maybe it will fail and kill him. Syllo is by far better then both oats and dia, I've considered keith being better then oats aswell. And chronicler is very likely town. He's the one who copchecked toad so unless you think scum is trading 1for1 you shouldn't doubt him. @risk.nukeYou have not been as active as marv for example. I would have liked if you have participated more in the scum hunt during D2. Toad was not so difficult to find for example... (Correct me if I'm wrong but I assumed that you were familiar Toad here) Ok, fair enough. Ok, that's speculating. I have more faith in a town Dieno than in a town syllo, and that's all what matters for me. Anyway, if we present 4 town members, the event is going to succeed for sure I guess. Easy enough imho... What do you mean by "better" ? I'm only caring about the fact that they are more confirmed town. TheChronicler could have bussed Toad with a fake cope claim. The only thing that indicates a town TheChronicler is this copeclaim... you think acro faked his copclaim as well? Acro claimed 1-shot cop on a person who had just been busted by another cop claim. I think it's very convenient.
How could you have a town read on TheChronicler but not on Acro ?
Toad was already nailed as scum at the end of D2. And Acro found him by the way...
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On November 26 2012 02:00 risk.nuke wrote:
I had a townread on chronicle before that, and as I said it don't see a reason for mafia to bus toad.
Look you need to start understanding the setup. We've had two cycles and nobody died. This is not the average mafia game where scum race to kill townies at night and town lynch mafia at day. We obviously have to much hp for that. Our wincondition is killing Lavos.
We have too much hp for it to be just a straight transfer from the regular health system. So what is HP for? We know it's important because mafia have ability's to lower hp and we seem to have abillitys to restore it. I'm not saying people can't be killed with it but I don't think it's its main purpose.
What do we know about the setup except that we need to kill lavos.
It revoles around completing missions. This is addition to mafias low kp leads me to believe mafia is likely working more like saboteurs trying to fail missions to weaken the town for the upcoming battle.
So what can potentially have an effect on the success of a mission.
What I can think of is
Hidden sucess modifers.
HP.
Town:Mafia ratio.
Mafia abillitys.
I think that in order to complete a mission the chosen group need to have a certain score and that score is determined by HP and HSM.
And this is why I don't want to send anyone with low hp.
@risk
It's an interesting point. So it would be better to send Oats and Syllo according to you. Keir has himself admitted that he has a low success modifier. Another problem is that you are not going to convince anyone with speculation. I personally like this kind of discussion but I feel like the majority doesn't.
On a side note, I personally think that mafia team has miserably failed in the attribution of their faction KP, resulting in no kills.
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On November 26 2012 02:14 marvellosity wrote:
Djodref, it's likely with the way HP works that mafia would be able to go no kills near the start, and multiple kills as the game goes on.
I did have a townish read on Acro until his not wanting to be in the party shenannies.
@marv
When I look as my table with the different damage claims for today, I could say that the mafia went for a Dieno kill.
Could you help me to assess iamp alignment ?
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On November 26 2012 02:18 risk.nuke wrote:
Sadly people never listen to me and always end up being scolded for it in the postgame. Especially setup speculation which along with actionbehaviour is my backyard.
Actually, you are making sense. But TheChronicler is a no-no for me.
Also I don't feel that I can totally trust you.
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On November 26 2012 02:21 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 02:20 Keirathi wrote:On November 26 2012 02:18 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 02:14 marvellosity wrote:
Djodref, it's likely with the way HP works that mafia would be able to go no kills near the start, and multiple kills as the game goes on.
I did have a townish read on Acro until his not wanting to be in the party shenannies. @marvWhen I look as my table with the different damage claims for today, I could say that the mafia went for a Dieno kill. Could you help me to assess iamp alignment ? iamp isn't acting anything like his town meta, and I agree with you that no rational town player would have healed him. But its possible there are other explanations, so it doesn't damn him to being scum. I'd say he was acting a bit closer to his town meta than scum meta, but I'm quite unsure. If iamp is scum I'm not sure why he'd claim to being healed as it was surely bound to raise question marks over why anyone would heal him.
Do you mean that someone frame-healed him ? This is going into some WIFOM territory. I am more concerned by the fact that his filter is lacking of scum hunting and such...
Anyway, it couldn't hurt for him to start to contribute in a more constructive way...
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I'm going to fight all the campaigns and parties including TheChronicler. We cannot check the truth of his claim. He isn't a beacon of townieness.
Also, nobody is voting for me and I think that some of my points were wrong, especially the fact the we shouldn't concentrate too much town assets on a single player. It could make like easier for the protective roles. Regarding the point where we should try to propose 3 new players as party members, it doesn't look like this idea is popular.
Conclusion - I withdraw my candidature for this election !
I would like Oats as a party leader ! It's his time period and he still has full health. I'm counting on the protective roles to take care of him. I wish him to receive a gift and to use it well. And yes I've changed my mind about it !
I would like Syllo or Dieno as second member for this party. Risk.nuke brought up an interesting point about how the HP of the players could influence the outcome of the event. It's up to the leader choice 
I recognize town Clarity in our Clarity and I think I could sense scum Clarity quite easily. In my opinion, Clarity should be the third member of the expedition.
I'm not decided yet on the fourth and last member of my ideal team. I'm leaning on Marv right now. I would like to be brought along but I don't think my presence would be very consensual. Plus I know that Oats doesn't like my style of play
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On November 26 2012 02:46 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 02:42 Djodref wrote:I'm going to fight all the campaigns and parties including TheChronicler. We cannot check the truth of his claim. He isn't a beacon of townieness. Also, nobody is voting for me and I think that some of my points were wrong, especially the fact the we shouldn't concentrate too much town assets on a single player. It could make like easier for the protective roles. Regarding the point where we should try to propose 3 new players as party members, it doesn't look like this idea is popular. Conclusion - I withdraw my candidature for this election !I would like Oats as a party leader ! It's his time period and he still has full health. I'm counting on the protective roles to take care of him. I wish him to receive a gift and to use it well. And yes I've changed my mind about it ! I would like Syllo or Dieno as second member for this party. Risk.nuke brought up an interesting point about how the HP of the players could influence the outcome of the event. It's up to the leader choice I recognize town Clarity in our Clarity and I think I could sense scum Clarity quite easily. In my opinion, Clarity should be the third member of the expedition.I'm not decided yet on the fourth and last member of my ideal team. I'm leaning on Marv right now. I would like to be brought along but I don't think my presence would be very consensual. Plus I know that Oats doesn't like my style of play Might be shooting myself in the foot by saying this but you underestimate how fast I improve at things.
Yeah, you are certainly right, I'm underestimating you But I have some big town tells in your filter for this game, sorry ^^
You were not bad at all for a first scum in your first (I don't count the modkill one) game. I'm anticipating the next game in which I could tunnel you to death.
Who would you be your ideal party for today by the way ?
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On November 26 2012 02:55 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 02:52 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 26 2012 02:51 Keirathi wrote:On November 26 2012 02:49 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 26 2012 02:48 Keirathi wrote:
My problem with Chronicler's claim is: Why the hell did he check Sandro and Toad against each other? Shouldn't he have picked one obvious townie, and one suspicious person? Picking two suspicious people doesn't make any sense, because until one of them flips, you don't know anything about either of them. He picked those two because one of them was going to flip. Thereby immediately confirming the other person's alignment (assuming no tampering) He picked them night 1. Before we even knew we were going to have a lynch day. My mistake. So many claimed night actions I should go make a list before I open my mouth again. I still don't think they're bad choices even for N1 though. Sandro was under scrutiny near the end of that cycle. Yea, but that's my point. He checked Sandro against TOAD? Why? What purpose did that serve? Why not against Dieno, the claimed Frog? Or against syllo, the person calling sandro scum and the direct counterwagon to sandro's leadership?
The reason he has given for checking sandro and Toad was that both were running for the election. But you have a very good point here...
For me, either TheChronicler is town and he has the weirdest logic (his plan, the people he chose to compare their alignment) or either he tells us a nice story. In doubt, I should check what he has done for town.
The answer is nothing, except a claim which we cannot really check -> not a good candidate for a party...
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On November 26 2012 02:59 Dienosore wrote:
Has Toad put up any real defense against the accusations yet other than saying, "No I'm not." ?
@Dieno
Toad is 99% confirmed scum. Everything he could say is useless now. Be grateful to him for not shitting up the thread
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On November 26 2012 03:09 Dienosore wrote:
If you are considering me for party leader, please don't. Instead, I suggest you give Oats your vote. He has more hp right now than I do (in case he gets an item, it will be less risky in his hands) and his role fits the lore right now.
I second this post :D
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EBWOP: but I'm not voting Oats until I obtain some assurance that TC is not in the party
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