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itsa me, Mario! | ||
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nvm you have. Alright! | ||
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unless its 8 hours before the oriniginal deadline lol | ||
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I promised you Marv | ||
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and yeah millers claim boyzzz | ||
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On November 13 2012 09:33 iamperfection wrote: Time to fight ? ## Vote Hapahauli He had much better ways to start discussion if he wanted to pick a name basically at random. so i say he is probably full of shit. You could have done a random gambit where we could have had some discussion built around it. You didn't Now lets discuss. So you vote him and not me? | ||
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On November 13 2012 09:34 iamperfection wrote: didnt see your post but your welcome to talk about it 2. Well, it goes like this: I promised Marv I would insta vote him d1 a while ago, and I'm still bitter about him not giving me sk last newbie game | ||
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On November 13 2012 09:37 marvellosity wrote: it's worrying that you've failed to read the thread already Well, you made like 2/3 posts then dipped for a little. Sue me (or vote me | ||
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On November 13 2012 09:38 marvellosity wrote: debears, I know very well that your main goal, above winning as either alignment, is to outpost me. It's ok, I can pass the mantle on. So your saying you don' want to take the lead? that doesn't sound like town marv..... | ||
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Debears 0 Z-Bo 0 Overall Record: Debears 1 Z-Bo 1 | ||
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On November 13 2012 09:42 DarthPunk wrote: Marv will get the lead if he is town even if he doesn't want it. It's got something to do with people wanting to win games. But he just said he doesn't want it and that he's fine with me taking the mantle, despite his vast amount of experience | ||
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On November 13 2012 09:44 iamperfection wrote: in rockband he said he was going to post less before the game started. He failed True :/ But he got pissed, leading to it. He doesn't seem to angry here. Vote is staying on mr. Marvelocity | ||
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On November 13 2012 09:45 iamperfection wrote: i guess theirs no reason not to believe zbos right? has to be to risky to do if he was scum right. Eh. If it's down to lylo we'll need to take a strong look at it if he's alive. Other than that, nothing much to talk about with the claim | ||
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On November 13 2012 09:47 Hapahauli wrote: But what if me, ZB, and marv are all scum o_O Oh, and ##unvote because I don't feel like continuing some half-assed thing early game. And I asked before but no one seemed to respond/care: Anyone anyone? Who cares????? Even if it's a smurf, behavioral analysis triumphs | ||
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On November 13 2012 09:55 Hapahauli wrote: It's important - I have to know what to expect of him. There's a big difference between a veteran smurf and a guy who's played... 2 other games? Player context is pretty damn important in "behavioral analysis" as you call it. I'd say you are right in that respect :/ Give him a chance to post first? | ||
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On November 13 2012 09:59 Hapahauli wrote: Oh noes! Well fortunately I'm not scum. + Show Spoiler + I think.+ Show Spoiler + *Bowzer laugh*+ Show Spoiler + jk I'm town It's not "so whatever" - I'm pretty skeptical how you're so willing to think Z-Bo is town off what looks to me like a completely null action. Hapa, last time you did that little spoiler trick (GsL III), you were the role that you put in the spoiler. Here, you put bowser. Now why would you put bowser out of all the scum roles? It seems to me like you were actively thinking of bowser, which you shouldn't be if you are town. I would expect you to put a town role in that spoiler | ||
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On November 13 2012 10:04 Z-BosoN wrote: Loving the activity so far. What I'm not loving is the excess of activity coming from debears. He's being very chit-chatty this game and here's what I find very interesting. He has commented on every single little thing on this game and is posting a ton (which by itself is anti-town, as it clogs up the thread and makes it difficult to read), but when dealing with the only significant thing that has yet happened in this thread, he simply shrugs it off as: For someone who is analytical enough to attempt to judge marv's early game reactions, he's sure not being analytical about my claim. This smells scummy to me. ##vote debears Lol....this argument again Anyways what is there to analyze? It's pretty simple, you're miller or mafia. We can't prove it. We just have to see how your actions play out. Enough said | ||
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On November 13 2012 10:02 strongandbig wrote: also fuck you zboson i wanted to fakeclaim miller as vt since then people couldn't say "oh he's fakeclaiming miller must mean he's scum" when i fakeclaim miller as scum but now if i did that people would be like "two millers what are the odds" and then probably lynch you so no good on that one ^^^^^^claim | ||
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On November 13 2012 10:08 Hapahauli wrote: Well that's cause I'm trying to figure out whether your scum or it's just a bad thought process. Well duh Bowzer is on my mind in Mario Mini Mafia But as for the GSL III thing, that was done as a specifically minded breadcrumb - how are you drawing the connection between that? Eh. I thought you had written that you were also a mafia role in the gsl III spoiler. But, you didn't. So I rescind it. | ||
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On November 13 2012 10:09 Hapahauli wrote: The VT claim is significant why exactly? Why would someone claim vt like that so early? It's quite weird | ||
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On November 13 2012 10:13 Z-BosoN wrote: Glad I beat you to it. Interesting way to claim VT though. Actually I find that suspicious as fuck. ##Unvote ##Vote strongandbig Debears, I hope your posting improves throughout this game. Also, what do you mean by "that argument again?". z-bo, I face an onslaught of fluff accusations d1 last game. And, in the end, was night killed d1 after having 2/3 of my top reads being the two scum :D | ||
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It's very similar to his scum play imo. Saying neutral stuff. Then, the vote on S&B. He's coming in and out of the thread, ie active lurking | ||
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On November 13 2012 10:46 Hopeless1der wrote: I think debears is just mucking up the thread hard, but that's apparently just what he does? pretty much what marv said again for myself on the active lurking. Eh. It's early d1. Give me about 10 more hours before the good stuff comes out. And yeah guys didn't realize it's only 2 hours at this point.... And yeah marv that's why my vote is still on u! | ||
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Just curious :D Feel free to answer that S&B | ||
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On November 13 2012 10:50 Hopeless1der wrote: trying their best? doubtful so far. DP's been voted for rolling too much scum. Marv was voted because of some kind of promise. Hapa was voted for. SnB was voted for being 'retarded'. real Try-Hard material right there. Wow you're trying to lecture others? What good does that do for town? | ||
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On November 13 2012 10:53 Hopeless1der wrote: What good did that question do for town? I'm trying to figure out wtf you are doing coming in out of nowhere and lecturing someone early d1. In fact, lecturing everyone for their scumhunting. What have you done? ##Unvote ##Vote Hopeless1der | ||
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On November 13 2012 11:01 Hopeless1der wrote: DP calls out marv because multiple people were actively lurking and you singling out clarity was unfair. I was also lurking, and DP implies you were "trying your hardest", whereas you have said: Did we catch the scums yet? Did 10 hours pass when I wasnt looking? ^^^^^Can someone tell me if this is how hopeless is? | ||
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On November 13 2012 11:05 marvellosity wrote: aren't you the same dude who told hapa it didn't matter who crossfire was from before because all we need is behavioural analysis? Because hapa's talk about was whether he is a smurf, which we cannot tell right now, due to his lack of posting | ||
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On November 13 2012 11:08 Clarity_nl wrote: He was asking if anyone knew if he was a smurf. You didn't say "we don't know", you said "doesn't matter" Yeah it doesn't matter since looking about behavior is usually a better indicator than meta. We can't know unless he comes out and starts posting like someone the vets recognize. So why discuss it? | ||
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On November 13 2012 11:07 marvellosity wrote: we can tell, because i told you who he was wait what?????? | ||
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On November 13 2012 11:11 Clarity_nl wrote: But you just made a post, with the only question being about someone's meta. Why? Because the question hapa asked was if cross was a smurf. Ffs. That came before Marv's "crossfire is just crossfire" Please keep my posts in context | ||
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On November 13 2012 11:16 DarthPunk wrote: Hopeless lurks as both alignments. That has been my experience in the last two games in which I played with him. I'm wondering more specifically on the aggressive/lecturing nature of his posts so far | ||
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On November 13 2012 11:16 Clarity_nl wrote: Yes I realize he asked before marv answered. How are your quotes not in context? You answer Hapa by saying it doesn't matter who he is, because reads within the current game are more important. But just now you asked about someone's meta, contradicting yourself. Please tell me where I am wrong. Alright, let me spell it out for you 1) Hapa asked if cross was smurf 2) I said there was nothing to discuss about him being smurf, since he hadn't posted much 3) Marv says cross is cross So, my point was that you can't make a basis whether he is indeed a smurf until he posts enough so that vet's recognize him. That makes discussing it early irrelevant. Now, 1) Hopeless comes in lecturing (anti-town) 2) I ask whether it fits his meta 3) You jump on me saying it's a contradiction to what I said It isn't a contradiction. Behavior > meta, especially if players are aware of their meta. Now, if behavior is totally against a player's town meta, and that behavior is scummy, then there are alarms that go off | ||
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On November 13 2012 11:24 Clarity_nl wrote: If it is the behaviour compared to different games, that's meta. That's what meta means. Hapa asked if anyone knew if cross was a smurf. Why is there nothing to discuss? If you don't know he's a smurf or not you simply don't answer. If you do you do. Marv answered because he knew, case closed. The part I don't understand is why you say it's not important. No one was talking about deducting who he is, assuming he's a smurf. I look at behavior first, then meta to support. What do those last two sentences mean? Can you rephrase them? There was nothing to discuss because cross (who hapa asked if was smurf) hadn't posted much, and still hasn't http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=16886690 Read here plz. Notice how I post right after Hapa | ||
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On November 13 2012 11:25 Hopeless1der wrote: For reference: Checking timestamps, just over an hour from when debears should be well aware of what has happened. Wanting to pursue my meta isn't all that bothersome. But you said 'we cannot tell' after marv's post. You can't keep your own posts in context. I'm [this] close to voting you I missed the crossfire is crossfire post. Hard to really notice posts about who he is when I've never played with him and he's not active | ||
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On November 13 2012 11:38 Clarity_nl wrote: I'll accept that what you meant was "regardless of who he is, since he hasn't posted there is no read to make"... I guess But either you didn't understand Hapa's question or you are being hypocritical by asking for a meta summary. Maybe clarify why you asked for it? ......i'll explain it one more time 1) Hopeless comes in lecturing, which is anti town (remember your scumbuddy sylver last game?) 2) Hopeless had not scumhunted up to that point 3) Hopeless remarks about my "10 hours for a good case" post No reason to engage in super heated flame war at this point. Thus, I wanted to know if he is that aggressive/lecturing normally, specifically as town | ||
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I would like to see more scum hunter extraordinaire out of Marv, but nothing right now is screaming scum to me from him. And, he's a strong town player. If he does something that is so scummy that it blinds me I'll go after him @Marv Would you say that SandB is an easy target for mafia? Although the vt claim was weird, having what, 4 people vote him so early just doesn't make me comfortable. Considering we do have over 24 hours left, I'm sure SandB, if he is town, will come up with something good. | ||
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On November 14 2012 00:09 iamperfection wrote: also debars tell me what you think of zbos I've noticed a couple things about his play 1) He doesn't seem to be as upfront/assertive as his town play from our newbie together 2) His vote on SandB - It's not clear whether it's a pressure vote or a he's scum vote - He hasn't kept pushing SandB ----which he does as town heartily with his scumreads | ||
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On November 14 2012 00:10 Hopeless1der wrote: - Hapa asks if Cross is a smurf - debears: - Marv: - debears attacks me for 'lecturing/being aggressive' and asks about my meta - Clarity calls that a contradiction, because debears has said 'behavioral analysis triumphs' - debears defense: ^^This is mostly what I'm referring to. Cross has a meta, and debears should be aware of it by now, but says he hadn't seen Marv's post. In any case he says, 'we cannot tell right now', when there is 100% evidence to the contrary (we may not be able to tell much, but there's SOMETHING to go by). Maybe he couldn't be bothered to go looking due to laziness or just being busy in general. Fine, but he still acknowledges Marv's post: + Show Spoiler + On November 13 2012 11:14 debears wrote: Because the question hapa asked was if cross was a smurf. Ffs. That came before Marv's "crossfire is just crossfire" Please keep my posts in context But he sticks to his 'unreadable smurf' story in this explanation (see bolded): Why does he neglect to clarify his current stance on how we may or may not be able to read cross? His explanations is ambiguous in that he can insist it was his opinion BEFORE marv's 'cross is cross' post and that it changed afterwards, which we were all to dense to notice, herpaderp. Wow, really? My answers were in response to questions from clarity of why I didn't want to talk about the smurf claim in my original post. Now, I did miss marv's crossfire is crossfire post. And honestly, what can you tell from his meta right now? HE HAS POSTED LITERALLY NOTHING!!!!!! | ||
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On November 13 2012 16:52 Kickstart wrote: Here is why I have doubts about Hapa. + Show Spoiler + Hapa starts off by being the first one to cast a "pointless vote" at the start of the day. + Show Spoiler + On November 13 2012 09:25 Hapahauli wrote: Oh hum I need something more controversial then. Howabout the lynch DarthPunk policy? I have a hard time reading him and rolls scum 66% of the time when I'm in game with him. Sample size be damned! ##Vote DarthPunk I see that several people did this and were joking but I don't like it much and Hapa is the first to do it, which is even more interesting because soon after he states that the random vote gambit is far overused ;/ : + Show Spoiler + On November 13 2012 09:37 Hapahauli wrote: @iamp The "random vote" gambit has been far overused. I'm not a fan. I'd comment on your post, but I'm not even sure what you're talking about there. He then unvotes DP just to revote him: + Show Spoiler + On November 13 2012 10:22 Hapahauli wrote: You're voting him 'cause the post is retarded? And not because it's scummy? The last time you pulled that, you were scum (Mafia LVII). ##Vote DarthPunk ('fo real this time) Which he unvotes again -_- And there is the whole SnB bandwagon that he jumps on: + Show Spoiler + On November 13 2012 10:54 Hapahauli wrote: Well it's weird for sure. I'm used to seeing scum SnB be a lot more "wordy" when he posts. Atleast this was the case in Mafia LVII and Death Note Mini. Howwwwwweva, this post really sets off my scum alarms: He calls debears argument/suspicion on me stupid, when he himself has his vote on me. It's not consistent at all with his suspicions so far, and I can't wrap my head around a townie thought process here. ## Vote StrongandBig At least he stays away from voting based on the VT claim post but he starts out by inferring that if SnB were scum he would be posting differently and then votes him anyways based on the "this is stupid" comment (which to be fair to SnB I agree with him, the whole point about putting your role in a spoiler is silly). What exactly is your read on Hapa right now? Do you have any other reads, specifically on Z-Bo and Hopeless? | ||
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On November 13 2012 10:44 debears wrote: What do you guys think of Clarity's early play? It's very similar to his scum play imo. Saying neutral stuff. Then, the vote on S&B. He's coming in and out of the thread, ie active lurking Here was my post on clarity that you mentioned earlier. Now here's your post talking about my opinion on clarity On November 13 2012 11:01 Hopeless1der wrote: DP calls out marv because multiple people were actively lurking and you singling out clarity was unfair. I was also lurking, and DP implies you were "trying your hardest", whereas you have said: How was that one post on clarity "unfair". This sounds like an emotional defense of Clarity, which you have no reason to do as town. Also, since it's early d1, we have to start from somewhere? Is it the greatest accusation in the world? No. But we can build from that Also, Clarity's posting was similar to his scum game at that point imo, along with the active lurking. Why wouldn't I point that out? If I call someone out early d1, it usually means I want to see more out of them. There was no vote. There was no "OMG clarity is scum guyzzzzz!!!!" Why were you so eager to try and discredit my opinion by saying "unfair"? | ||
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Needs moar scumhunting doh | ||
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What's the deal with your schedule brah???????? | ||
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On November 14 2012 00:41 Kickstart wrote: @debears I have a slight scum read on Hapa at the moment, because of what I outlined in that post and the fact that in general I found his posting to be (trying to find the most polite way to phrase it :D) non-productive. Hopeless hasn't really stood out to me too much. His posting has been under the radar and not sticking his neck out much, almost his entire filter is the discussion about if crossfire is a smurf or not. So overall I view him as slightly "anti-town" thus far. I would just like to hear more of his thoughts on something/someone not related to cross being a smurf or not. ZB started the SnB bandwagon which I have already stated I am completely against, so I want to see if he sticks with it. In general his posts have been substantive - out of six posts one is a roleclaim, two he casts a vote on someone and gives some explanation, and then the others he is reacting to/reading people. I see no reason yet to question his miller claim, but again a lot of that could change depending on how he continues with the SnB vote. With that I am going to go to sleep and won't be back on for awhile. I will try and catch up and post before heading to class but if not I have all night once I get back! I do find it weird that hapa latched onto S&B, who is an easy target imo, when there really doesn't seem like that much to read from SB's posting so far. Of course, that could be expectation bias. On hopeless - my problem with hopeless is his lecturing tone and his overall tone so far (the clarity callout "unfair" post he made). One of the scums in my last game came in out of nowhere as he did to lecture multiple town. Also, calling some one's reasoning bad is one thing, but calling it unfair makes absolutely no sense in context to my post on clarity What do you think of those points? Do you believe that SB is an easy target right now? If SB doesn't pick up his posting, would you be willing to lynch him over a slight scumread? | ||
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On November 14 2012 00:58 marvellosity wrote: no, making some case on Z-Boson doesn't make him town. this is not the town BH play I am familiar with. It's pointless. BH is capable of making lighthearted posts as town and indeed does so, but he does so while clearly pursuing his agenda and making his feelings clear. Town BH doesn't ask "so what's the deal with Hopeless'", he wades in with a strong opinion. Scummy. Any reference games off the top of your head? | ||
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Guilty conscience? I don't feel why he would need to bring it up as town unless someone asked him | ||
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1) iamp changes from a town read (pretty convincing one early d1) 2) sheeps on a case when he changes 3) sheeps on a case based off of lack of activity/helpfulness in the first half of d1 with a 180 read That's not strong reasoning. Iamp knows it. That's why he goes out of his way to state the contradictiom. Explanations Town- idk why Scum - trying to look like scumhunter | ||
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Do u thinks iamps reasoning for switching his read was strong? | ||
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Ok reasoning to switch from insta town read to scum read.... When I get back to my comp I will relook at it. I didnt come to the same conclusion | ||
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On November 14 2012 03:52 strongandbig wrote: but look at the reasoning for his town read, it was also terrible. it was a visceral (no eyes) reaction, the first thing to come out of his gut, just like "oh i guess zboson is town" was the first thing to come out of my gut when he posted it. So he changes from a weak, gut-reaction-based townread to a scum read. It's not like he was hard defending zboson or even really thinking about it in a way that we should be super concerned about, he was just pooping ideas out onto the thread. So, if his reasoning for the original town read was bad, then why did he state it if he is town? You don't just say, 'oh, this guy is town, but I have bad reasoning for it' if you're town. So, he must've thought his reasoning was good outright state it....gimme a sec to organize a whole post on his vote | ||
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Town read on Z-Bo + Show Spoiler + On November 13 2012 09:50 iamperfection wrote: zbos explained it in his post would have been very risky in my view. On November 13 2012 09:55 iamperfection wrote: its what i think so whatever. Zbos scum is gone put himself out there like that i dont think so. Alright, these two posts seem pretty strong saying that Z-Bo is townie. Note the word use "very risky for scum" and "scum wouldn't put themselves out there like that" On November 13 2012 10:33 iamperfection wrote: guys a town zbos could lie if he was blue He could be scum he could be vt. I'm inclined looking at the comment that he was just writing what he thought and that it was probably true. He just had a slip of the tongue so i'm actually inclined to think it was actually the truth. It didn't look like to me as a scum making a post in order to put a claim together. Boom i got two town reads already which you gonna do mafia?????????? Here he states outright that he has a town read on Z-Bo Note that his town read is a null tell to me. Suspicions of BH ----> Agreeing with BH Next, iamp becomes suspicious of BH + Show Spoiler + On November 13 2012 11:31 iamperfection wrote: so uh this guys is like not helping right now and i expect better from him since i hold him in high regards. i say we force his hand. ## Vote Blazinghand Especially since he made it obvious that he was here with his "lol" Note the timestamp. 30 minutes later, this comes out On November 14 2012 00:04 iamperfection wrote: LOL dont you dare talk down to me you little punk. You criticize me when YOU were the one being all terrible with your first couple of posts. Being all herp derp i don't have to contribute even though interesting things were happening at the time. Give me a break But that being said ## Unvote Your case on zbos reminds me more of your play from rockband more then the way you were being early on. Lokking at what zbos has posted especially this crap which bh pointed out If you look closely debears never said anything about being able to tell if marv is town or not from an anyltical standpoint he made it pretty clear that it was not the case and that he had said he was simply going to vote for him no matter what. Zbos totally misrepresents what is being said here and if he has the courage to throw a vote out for it you would have thought he would have read clearly what he was in fact voting for. This post here is also another pile of crap and its the iamperfection rule of whoever defends me is probably scum. If he cared at all to check in gsl III where i was scum which he played in lollololol i thrw around 2 strong town reads early on he should know this and the fact that he isnt willing to do any legwork in order to find out is more evidence not in his favor. This post is also extremly wishy washy on everything he said. I know i said early on that i thought the miller claim was more of a town tell but well i think zbos actions speak louder. so ## Vote zboson Note the two changes here 1) BH is suddenly town because of one case 30 minutes after iamp's original suspicion 2) Z-Bo is suddenly scum because of BH's case Note his poor reasoning. His first point is BH's reasoning. His second point is the "imperfection rule"...Really??????? Also, remember that it was and is the first half of d1 at this point. Why is he jumping on Z-Bo for two fucking posts? Why is he jumping on a case from a person whom he thought was suspicious 30 minutes prior? See how poor that reasoning is? When you switch from a town read to a scum read, you're reasoning should be pretty good. An apparent guilty conscience I know i said early on that i thought the miller claim was more of a town tell but well i think zbos actions speak louder. Ok. What does this line from his vote post on Z-Bo tell us about iamp? 1) He cares about how the town is viewing him 2) He doesn't believe his reasoning is that great for his vote -note the "well I think his actions speak louder". It's a weak statement. Not a strong one, (a strong one) which should be warranted when you change your read from town to scum in literally no time Point 1 is a null tell. Point 2 doesn't make any sense from a townie perspective. What are your guy's thoughts??? | ||
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1) He turned from a town read to a scum read and vote with poor reasoning. That's scummy as shit 2) Let me ask you this. Why would town iamp do it? A town player does not suddenly vote based on bad reasoning, let alone swap from town to scum read. Why would scum iamp do it? Because scum knows their reasoning is not true. They are looking for scumminess in people who are town. Also, I would like to offer a counter thought to my assumption that he thought his reasoning was bad 1) He thinks his reasoning is good 2) He has a sudden change of a opinion to agree with his suspicion (BH) from 30 minutes before. 3) He makes a weak "oh nvm about the town tell" statement Why does he go out of his way to state that at the end of his post if he thinks his reasoning is good? | ||
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On November 14 2012 13:14 iamperfection wrote: well i think the obvious question is whats the deal with not having a 10 page filter by now? oh also your tunneling on me looks bad now because almost everyone thinks im town now. Also you didn't vote me despite it looking like i was your top scumread. so you could start with that. IRL. Don't believe it? Vote me. The only time I purposely avoided posting in mafia was my last game when Alsn said that he would take his vote off my scumbuddy if I didn't show up. You weren't my top scumread. Hopeless was and still is. It's hard to make a better case/more arguments when he fails to post much. I was going after you because your fucking flip flop had 0 townie reasoning for it when you had seen BH as suspcious 30 minutes earlier. And guess what? Multiple people agreed with me | ||
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On November 14 2012 11:50 Blazinghand wrote: Also I'm not voting debears <3 BH *high five* | ||
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On November 14 2012 10:13 Hapahauli wrote: Looking at debears, there's not much to say other than there's not much substance in his 4-page filter. Lots of short, 1/2 line posts with banter. He jumps on Hopeless really quickly, who's one of the easier targets in the game. He's then pretty quick to jump on iamperfection, and has been pushing that "read" since. As previously stated, his "vote post" looks like an overkill-case. But the thing that really sticks out to me is that he's been tunneling iamperfection for the last few hours yet still has his vote on Hopeless. He's using a lot of strong language against iamperfection (much stronger than against hopeless), and from his filter it looks like iamperfection is his top scumread. At this point he's much more content to push the read on iamperfection than his one on Hopeless, and I see no townie reason why his vote isn't where his mouth is. ##Unvote ##Vote debears If you look at my posting before the iamp stuff, I was focused on Hopeless. However, Hopeless failed to post much after that, and he still has. I feel like his lecturing + lack of posting is much more scum indicative than iamp's posting, hence my vote on hopeless and not iamp And about the one liners. It was the first 14-18 hours of d1. Not much to go off of for big cases, especially with thrawn, dp, hopeless, kickstart, and crossfire contributing minimally. Wow that's 5/13 players. Hey thats more than 1/3 of the game!!!!!!!!!!!! Amazing Hapa, why are you focusing me over the above stated 5 players? Also Hapa, why are you attacking easy targets: S&B, Kickstart, Me(after i go afk). What happened to your iamp scum read hapa? On November 14 2012 07:26 Hapahauli wrote: His rationale and motive make sense to me from a scum perspective - I've already mentioned that. Making a 180 when spurred by another case is scummy and convenient. I realize you disagree, but I think you're wrong. And to draw comparisons to the read on Kei you mentioned in GSL III - I find imaperfection's actions alone much more scummy than Kei's actions in GSL III. Kei has a history of reluctant D1 play. Iamperfection doesn't have a history of these things in his town play to my knowledge. to On November 14 2012 08:39 Hapahauli wrote: @iamp ##Unvote From your reactions so far, you're probably town. The "I don't give a fuck" thing has been on full display for the last few hours, and that meta read hasn't been wrong on you yet. I also do like the post on Z-Bo, but I give him less townie points than you do. Z-Bo can push a read as either allignment, but I do agree he's being open so far. I see that you override his in game play with meta on d1. Very interesting | ||
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On November 14 2012 14:17 DarthPunk wrote: You know I could make some half arse case and tunnel some bad townie really easily and then probably not get lynched right? Now why am I not doing that? Because, as I have said. I have not had the time required to get reads that I am convinced are valuable to the thread. I don;t want to just fake shit to keep myself alive. Is that scummy or townie. Yes I am playing badly. Yes I have excuses which are valid. If you lynch me it is a mislynch. I feel I could genuinely contribute to the game when I have more time. But I can understand where you are coming from also. Please just ask why on earth I would play scum this way when I could easily tunnel some lynch bait. DP have you read the thread fully yet? Even with a quick glance? | ||
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/fireball debears Let's take a look at my top scumread for most of d1, Hopeless http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=381440&user=123725 Here's his filter link. There's not much in it. A bunch of one-liners with a couple of longer posts focused on my crossfire smurf/hapa discussion. What has Hopeless done to make me think he is town? Absolutely nothing. He didn't vote me, yet half his filter is about me. He dropped his "pressure" on me pretty quickly. What has Hopless done to make me think he is scum? He came out lecturing town in one of his first posts here On November 13 2012 10:50 Hopeless1der wrote: trying their best? doubtful so far. DP's been voted for rolling too much scum. Marv was voted because of some kind of promise. Hapa was voted for. SnB was voted for being 'retarded'. real Try-Hard material right there. What had Hopeless done up to this point? Absolutely nothing. Why does he feel the need to lecture town? Because he has nothing to contribute And honestly, there is nothing else to say on him still, cuz his posting is void of content | ||
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any suspicions so far? | ||
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Alright guys, I really need someone to give me a good answer on this question, which everyone has failed to do Why would town iamp 1) Switch his vote, agreeing with the case of someone he thought was scummy 30 minutes earlier after 1 case? 2) Switch his vote onto someone who he said was town earlier in the game? Let's look at iamp's scumhunting so far: Z-Bo. That's it. And guess what? His new scumread is me. Why?? On November 14 2012 10:19 iamperfection wrote: i might be able to get behind this but i will wait for him to respond. Looking at it your absolutely right because i had to double check i could have sworn his vote was on me but it in fact isn't. He did use strong language but didnt put the vote out there and was curios to see what others thought (Testing the waters maybe?) however i will wait for him to respond. This is the first mention of my scumminess the whole game. Why the sudden change? "I didn't realize he didn't have his vote on me". Really? I was making arguments against you and you aren't reading them then? Is that what is going on? Is that your only reason for wanting to vote me (oh and you haven't anyways)? This is what he says for other reasoning On November 14 2012 13:14 iamperfection wrote: well i think the obvious question is whats the deal with not having a 10 page filter by now? oh also your tunneling on me looks bad now because almost everyone thinks im town now. Also you didn't vote me despite it looking like i was your top scumread. so you could start with that. Now he is just putting words in my mouth, along with hapa. I never said iamp was my top scumread. Now you're just grasping for straws on a fucking retarded assumption. You don't even realize that my top scumread wasn't and still hasn't been active or cared about the town/game when my vote was still on him. I can push whoever I want when I see it beneficial to do so. Iamp here are some questions for you. Answer them 1) Did you think you're reasoning on Z-Bo was strong? If so, 1. Why did you make a sudden 180 on your town read on his miller claim, especially that early d1? 2. Why did you go out of your way to point out your town read on him earlier with a weak "I guess so" statement if you thought you had a good case? 2) If not: Why did you even vote vote him? | ||
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Add this under 1) 3. Why did you vote with someone whom you had found suspicious only 30 minutes earlier, after such person (BH) only made one case that changed your mind? | ||
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/fireball off | ||
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Here's 1/6 of the stuff I had to do for a test tomorrow. I have a test in my graphics class too along with physics. Oh, and I have team practices and other classes with hw. Oh, and I'm sick. Btw, don't open the spoiler in the spoiler unless you really don't believe me. Now bedtime + Show Spoiler + Physics 220 Fall 2012 Key to problems in Review #2 Dr. Mis 1 a. 1100 N b. -4100 J c. 0 J 2. a. k = 1.29 x 105 N/m b. K = 2.30 x 105 J c. v = 18.3 m/s 3. a. 45.3 J b. 45.3 J c. 45.3 N 4. a. 12 J b. 12 J c. 2.2 m/s 5. a. 6000 J b. 4.4 m/s c. 5280 W 6. a. 8 J b. 8 J c. 1.80 m/s d. x = 1m e. 2.2 m/s 7. a. 500 N b. 4 m c. 2,000 J d. -2000 J 8. a. 0.5 J b. 0.5 J c. 1.4 m/s d. 0 J e. 0 m/s 9. a. b. 0.78 m c. 2.5 m from initial point 10. a. 110 J b. 1530 J c. -1120 J d. 0 J e. 410 J f. 520 J g. 7.6 m/s 11. a. 110 J b. 1530 J c. -1120 J d. -275 J e. 0 K f. 130 J g. 5.2 m/s 12. a. 117 N b. c. 625 N d. 13. a. 41.8o b. √(2gr/3) c. leaves at greater angle 14. a. √2gl b. √(1.2 gl) 15. a. 92.4 N/m b. 20 m/s2 16. a. 17.7 m/s b. -1.09 N 17. ¼ 18. a. 7.90 m/s b. 3.34 m 19. a. 780 J b. b. 1593 W ~ 1600 W 20. a. 1386 m ~ 1400 m b. 165 m/s, 370 miles/h 21. a. 26.3o b. 580 N c. 780 N 22. 1.60 x 105 m3 23. a. 2((m+M)/m) √gl b. 450 m/s 24. a. 3290 N b. 146.4o measured from +x axis 25. a. √5 v b. 26.6o c. 190 J 26. a. 586 N.s b. 1.55 x 105 N c. 5400 N ~ 1200 pounds. 27. a. CM = (0.433, 0.233) m 28. a. 4.55 x 106 m/s 29. a. 0.19 m/s b. -22.86 J c. Mainly to heat energy 30. a. 421.4 m/s ~ 420 m/s. 31. a. 2.5 kg.m/s b. 2.5 kg.m/s c. 130 N 32. 0 m/s 33. v1 = 1.4 m/s, v2 = 4.4 m/s. + Show Spoiler + Physics for Scientists and Engineers, 4e (Giancoli) Chapter 7 Work and Energy 7.1 Conceptual Questions 1) Explain how a satellite can remain in orbit around the Earth without the expenditure of fuel. Answer: The gravitational force on the satellite acts toward the Earth inward along the radius of the satellite's orbit. The satellite's displacement at any moment is tangent to the circular orbit, in the direction of its velocity, perpendicular to the radius and perpendicular to the force of gravity. Therefore, the work done by gravity is zero. Hence, no work needs to be done against the force of gravity. Diff: 2 Page Ref: Sec. 7-1 2) List the three useful ways in physics to multiply vectors. Answer: 1. Multiplication of a vector by a scalar 2. Multiplication of one vector by a second vector to produce a scalar 3. Multiplication of one vector by a second vector to produce another vector Diff: 1 Page Ref: Sec. 7-2 3) State the work-energy principle. Answer: The net work done on an object is equal to the change in the object's kinetic energy. Diff: 1 Page Ref: Sec. 7-4 4) If the net work done on a certain object is zero, make a statement concerning its speed? Answer: If the net work done on an object is zero, it follows that its change in kinetic energy is also zero. Therefore, its speed remains constant. Diff: 1 Page Ref: Sec. 7-4 5) A force can be exerted on an object and yet do no work. Answer: TRUE Diff: 1 Page Ref: Sec. 7-1 6) If a force is directed perpendicular to the displacement, no work is done by that force. Answer: TRUE Diff: 1 Page Ref: Sec. 7-1 7) The scalar product is commutative. Answer: TRUE Diff: 1 Page Ref: Sec. 7-2 8) The scalar product is not distributive. Answer: FALSE Diff: 1 Page Ref: Sec. 7-2 9) The work done by a variable force in moving an object between two points is equal to the area under the force versus displacement curve between those two points. Answer: TRUE Diff: 1 Page Ref: Sec. 7-3 10) If the net work W is done on an object is positive, the object's kinetic energy increases by an amount W. Answer: TRUE Diff: 1 Page Ref: Sec. 7-4 11) If the net work W is done on an object is negative, the object's kinetic energy increases by an amount W. Answer: FALSE Diff: 1 Page Ref: Sec. 7-4 12) A net force exerted on an object opposite to the object's direction of motion decreases it speed and its kinetic energy. Answer: TRUE Diff: 1 Page Ref: Sec. 7-4 13) If you push twice as hard against a stationary brick wall, the amount of work you do A) quadruples. B) doubles. C) is cut in half. D) remains constant but non-zero. E) remains constant at zero. Answer: E Diff: 1 Page Ref: Sec. 7-1 14) A person applies a constant force of 20 N to a rock of mass 1000 kg, for a total of 20 seconds. What is the work done by this person if the rock does not move at all by this applied force? A) 1000 J B) 2000 J C) 20,000 J D) 0 J E) 400 J Answer: D Diff: 1 Page Ref: Sec. 7-1 15) The work done by the centripetal force on an object with a mass of 1 kg moving with a constant velocity of 4 m/s into a circular path of radius 0.6 m for one full cycle is A) 100.7 J B) 3.8 J C) 0 J D) 40 J E) 80 J Answer: C Diff: 1 Page Ref: Sec. 7-1 16) Does the centripetal force acting on an object do work on the object? A) Yes, since a force acts and the object moves, and work is force times distance. B) Yes, since it takes energy to turn an object. C) No, because the object has constant speed. D) No, because the object's displacement is zero. E) No, because the force and the displacement of the object are perpendicular. Answer: E Diff: 1 Page Ref: Sec. 7-1 17) A person carries a mass of 10 kg and walks along the +x-axis for a distance of 100m with a constant velocity of 2 m/s. What is the work done by this person? A) 0 J B) 20 J C) 200 J D) 1000 J E) None of the other choices is correct. Answer: A Diff: 1 Page Ref: Sec. 7-1 18) A person applies a constant force on an object of mass 20 kg that causes the object to move horizontally at a constant speed of 0.20 m/s through a distance of 0.80 m. What is the work done on the object? A) 160 J B) 10 J C) 16 J D) 0 J E) Cannot be determined without knowing the magnitude of the applied force. Answer: D Diff: 1 Page Ref: Sec. 7-1 19) Two men, Joel and Jerry, push against a wall. Jerry stops after 10 min, while Joel is able to push for 5.0 min longer. Compare the work they do. A) Joel does 75% more work than Jerry. B) Joel does 50% more work than Jerry. C) Jerry does 50% more work than Joel. D) Joel does 25% more work than Jerry. E) Neither of them do any work. Answer: E Diff: 1 Page Ref: Sec. 7-1 20) A stock person at the local grocery store has the job of 1) picking up boxes of tomatoes from the stockroom floor, 2) accelerating to a comfortable speed, 3) Carrying the boxes to the tomato display at constant speed, 4) decelerating to a stop, and 5) lowering the boxes slowly to the floor. During which of the five segments of the stock person's task is positive work being done on the boxes? A) 1) and 5) B) 1) C) 1), 2), 4), and 5) D) 1) and 2) E) 2) and 3) Answer: D Diff: 1 Page Ref: Sec. 7-1 21) A constant force is applied to an object that causes a certain displacement. If the angle between the force and the displacement is 135°, the work done by this force is A) positive. B) negative. C) 0 J. D) Cannot be determined without knowing the magnitude of the displacement. E) Cannot be determined without knowing the magnitude of the applied force. Answer: B Diff: 2 Page Ref: Sec. 7-1 22) On a force vs. position graph, the area under the curve is a representation of A) force. B) position. C) kinetic energy. D) potential energy. E) work. Answer: E Diff: 1 Page Ref: Sec. 7-3 23) Consider a plot of the displacement (x) vs. applied force (F) for an ideal elastic spring. The slope of the curve would be A) the spring constant. B) the reciprocal of the spring constant. C) the acceleration of gravity. D) the reciprocal of the acceleration of gravity. E) the reciprocal of the displacement. Answer: B Diff: 2 Page Ref: Sec. 7-3 FIGURE 7-1 24) Describe the type of spring "constant" needed to produce a constant restoring force like curve (a) in Fig. 7-1. A) k must vary as the stretch squared. B) k must be a real constant. C) k must vary inversely with stretch. D) k must vary proportional to stretch. E) none of these Answer: C Diff: 2 Page Ref: Sec. 7-3 25) Which of the graphs in Fig. 7-1 illustrates Hooke's Law? A) graph a B) graph b C) graph c D) graph d E) none of these Answer: B Diff: 2 Page Ref: Sec. 7-3 26) Which of the graphs in Fig. 7-1 represents a spring which gets less stiff the more it is stretched? A) graph a B) graph b C) graph c D) graph d E) none of these Answer: D Diff: 2 Page Ref: Sec. 7-3 27) If the net work done on an object is positive, then the object's kinetic energy A) decreases. B) remains the same. C) increases. D) is zero. E) cannot be determined without knowing the object's mass. Answer: C Diff: 1 Page Ref: Sec. 7-4 28) If the net work done on an object is negative, then the object's kinetic energy A) decreases. B) remains the same. C) increases. D) is zero. E) cannot be determined without knowing the object's mass. Answer: A Diff: 1 Page Ref: Sec. 7-4 29) If the net work done on an object is zero, then the object's kinetic energy A) decreases. B) remains the same. C) increases. D) is zero. E) cannot be determined without knowing the object's mass. Answer: B Diff: 1 Page Ref: Sec. 7-4 30) A constant force acts on a moving object. The object makes a fixed magnitude of displacement in some direction. In general, in what direction is the displacement that will result in the object traveling with the least kinetic energy after the displacement occurs? A) The same direction as the force B) The direction does not matter. C) In a direction perpendicular to the plane of the force and the velocity of the object D) The opposite direction as the force E) Any direction perpendicular to the force Answer: D Diff: 1 Page Ref: Sec. 7-4 31) An object undergoes a displacement while being acted on by a constant force directed to the north. The work done on this object by the force is positive during the displacement. Which statement is necessarily true about the average velocity of the object during the displacement? A) The average velocity is zero. B) The average velocity is toward the south. C) The average velocity is toward the north. D) The average velocity has a component toward the north. E) The average velocity has a component toward the south. Answer: D Diff: 1 Page Ref: Sec. 7-4 32) A 4.0 kg mass is moving with speed 2.0 m/s. A 1.0 kg mass is moving with speed 4.0 m/s. Both objects encounter the same constant braking force, and are brought to rest. Which object travels the greater distance before stopping? A) the 4.0 kg mass B) the 1.0 kg mass C) Both travel the same distance. D) Cannot be determined from the information given. Answer: C Diff: 2 Page Ref: Sec. 7-4 33) You slam on the brakes of your car in a panic, and skid a certain distance on a straight, level road. If you had been traveling twice as fast, what distance would the car have skidded, under the same conditions? A) It would have skidded 4 times farther. B) It would have skidded twice as far. C) It would have skidded 1.4 times farther. D) It would have skidded one half as far. E) It is impossible to tell from the information given. Answer: A Diff: 2 Page Ref: Sec. 7-4 7.2 Quantitative Problems 1) A constant force of 20 N is applied to an object of mass 8.0 kg at an angle of 25° with the horizontal. What is the work done by this force on the object if it causes a displacement of 2.0 m along the horizontal direction? A) 40 J B) 0 J C) 36 J D) 17 J E) 19 J Answer: C Diff: 1 Page Ref: Sec. 7-1 2) A constant force = 2.00 N + 3.00 N acts on a 5.00 kg object as it moves in a straight line from the position 1 = 1.00 m + 1.00 m to a position 2 = 4.00 m - 1.00 m . Determine the work done by the force during this motion. A) 2.00 J B) 5.00 J C) 12.7 J D) 13.0 J E) 0.00 J Answer: E Diff: 1 Page Ref: Sec. 7-1 3) A 5.00-kg box slides 3.00 m across the floor before coming to rest. What is the coefficient of kinetic friction between the floor and the box if the box had an initial speed of 3.00 m/s? A) 1.50 B) 0.587 C) 0.153 D) 0.306 E) 0.200 Answer: C Diff: 1 Page Ref: Sec. 7-1 FIGURE 7-2 Three applied forces, F1 = 20.0 N, F2 = 40.0 N, and F3 = 10.0 N act on an object with a mass of 2.00 kg which can move along an inclined plane as shown in the figure. The questions refer to the instant when the object has moved 0.600 m along the surface of the inclined plane in the upward direction. Neglect friction and use g = 10.0 m/s2. 4) Refer to Fig. 7-2. What is the amount of work done by force F1 as the object moves up the inclined plane? A) 10.0 J B) 11.0 J C) 12.0 J D) 16.0 J E) 0 J Answer: C Diff: 1 Page Ref: Sec. 7-1 5) Refer to Fig. 7-2. What is the amount of work done by force F2 as the object moves up the inclined plane? A) 0 J B) 12.0 J C) 16.0 J D) 24.0 J E) 20.8 J Answer: E Diff: 1 Page Ref: Sec. 7-1 6) Refer to Fig. 7-2. What is the amount of work done by the force F3 as the object moves up the inclined plane? A) 12.0 J B) 16.0 J C) 20.8 J D) 0 J E) 24.0 J Answer: D Diff: 1 Page Ref: Sec. 7-1 7) A student slides her 80.0-kg desk across the level floor of her dormitory room a distance 2.00 m at constant speed. If the coefficient of kinetic friction between the desk and the floor is 0.400, how much work did she do? A) 64.0 J B) 1.57 kJ C) 26.7 J D) 628 J E) 24.0 J Answer: D Diff: 2 Page Ref: Sec. 7-1 8) An airplane flies 120 km at a constant altitude in a direction 30.0° north of east. A wind is blowing that results in a net horizontal force on the plane due to the air of 2.40 kN in a direction 10.0° south of west. How much work is done by the air on the plane? A) -2.70 × 108 J B) -0.985 × 108 J C) -221 × 108 J D) 221 × 108 J E) 0.821 × 108 J Answer: A Diff: 2 Page Ref: Sec. 7-1 9) Determine the scalar product of = 3.0 + 4.0 - 2.0 and = 2.0 - 6.0 - 3.0 . A) 6.0 + 24 + 6 B) 6.0 - 24 + 6 C) -12 D) 36 E) undefined Answer: C Diff: 1 Page Ref: Sec. 7-2 10) Determine the angle between the directions of vector = 3.00 + 1.00 and vector = 1.00 + 3.00 . A) 36.9° B) 30.0° C) 86.6° D) 53.1° E) 45.2° Answer: D Diff: 1 Page Ref: Sec. 7-2 11) Which of the following vectors is perpendicular to the vector 4.0 - 6.0 +2.0 ? A) 2.0 -3.0 +1.0 B) 3.0 -3.0 +3.0 C) 1.0 -2.0 +1.0 D) 1.0 +1.0 +1.0 E) 2.0 +1.0 Answer: D Diff: 1 Page Ref: Sec. 7-2 12) The scalar product of vector = 3.00 + 2.00 and vector is 12.0. Which of the following vectors could be vector ? A) 2.00 + 4.00 B) 4.00 + 6.00 C) 5.00 + 4.00 D) 12.0 E) 6.00 + -3.00 Answer: E Diff: 1 Page Ref: Sec. 7-2 13) The angle between vector = 2.00 + 3.00 and vector is 45.0°. The scalar product of vectors and is 7.00. If the x-component of vector is positive, what is vector . A) B) C) D) E) Answer: B Diff: 2 Page Ref: Sec. 7-2 FIGURE 7-3 14) An object is under the influence of a force as represented by the force vs. position graph in Fig. 7-3. What is the work done as the object moves from 4 m to 6 m? A) 20 J B) 30 J C) 0 J D) 40 J E) 70 J Answer: A Diff: 1 Page Ref: Sec. 7-3 15) An object is under the influence of a force as represented by the force vs. position graph in Fig. 7-3. What is the work done as the object moves from 0 m to 4 m? A) 20 J B) 30 J C) 0 J D) 40 J E) 70 J Answer: A Diff: 1 Page Ref: Sec. 7-3 16) An object is under the influence of a force as represented by the force vs. position graph in Fig. 7-3. What is the work done as the object moves from 6 m to 12 m? A) 20 J B) 30 J C) 0 J D) 40 J E) 70 J Answer: B Diff: 1 Page Ref: Sec. 7-3 FIGURE 7-4 17) The force on an object as a function of position is shown in Fig. 7-4. Determine the amount of work done by this force on an object that moves from x = 2.0 m to x = 7.0 m. A) 29 J B) 32 J C) 24 J D) 38 J E) 33 J Answer: A Diff: 1 Page Ref: Sec. 7-3 FIGURE 7-5 18) The graph of a force as a function of position is shown in Fig. 7-5. Determine the amount of work done by this force for an object during a displacement from x = -2.00 m to x = 2.00 m. A) -12.00 J B) -3.00 J C) -1.00 J D) 12.00 J E) 3.00 J Answer: C Diff: 1 Page Ref: Sec. 7-3 19) A spring with a spring constant of 2500 N/m. is stretched 4.00 cm. What is the work required to stretch the spring? A) 4.00 J B) 0 J C) 1.00 J D) 3.00 J E) 2.00 J Answer: E Diff: 1 Page Ref: Sec. 7-3 20) 4.0 J of work are performed in stretching a spring with a spring constant of 2500 N/m. How much is the spring stretched? A) 3.2 cm B) 3.2 m C) 0.3 cm D) 5.7 m E) 5.7 cm Answer: E Diff: 1 Page Ref: Sec. 7-3 21) A weight of 200 N is hung from a spring with a spring constant of 2500 N/m and lowered slowly. How much will the spring stretch? A) 4.00 cm B) 6.00 cm C) 8.00 cm D) 10.0 cm E) 12.0 cm Answer: C Diff: 1 Page Ref: Sec. 7-3 22) If the work done to stretch a spring by 4.0 cm is 6.0 J, what is the spring constant? A) 300 N/m B) 3000 N/m C) 3500 N/m D) 7500 N/m E) 6000 N/m Answer: D Diff: 1 Page Ref: Sec. 7-3 23) A force on a particle depends on position such that F(x) = (3.00 N/m2)x2 + ( 2.00 N/m)x for a particle constrained to move along the x-axis. What work is done by this force on a particle that moves from x = 0.00 m to x = 2.00 m? A) 10.0 J B) 12.0 J C) -32.0 J D) 16.0 J E) 32.0 J Answer: B Diff: 1 Page Ref: Sec. 7-3 24) A force is dependent on position and is given by ( 4.00 N/m)x + (2.0 N/m2)xy . An object begins at the origin. How much work is done on the object as it moves in a straight line to x = 1.00 m, y = 0.00 m? A) 0.00 J B) 3.00 J C) 2.50 J D) 2.00 J E) 1.50 J Answer: D Diff: 2 Page Ref: Sec. 7-3 25) A force is dependent on position and is given by ( 4.00 N/m)x +(2.0 N/m2)xy . An object begins at the origin. It first moves in a straight line to x = 1.00 m, y = 0.00 m. It then moves in a straight line to x = 1.00 m, y = 1.00 m. How much work is done on the object by the force during the motion described? A) 3.00 J B) 0.00 J C) 2.50 J D) 1.50 J E) 2.00 J Answer: A Diff: 3 Page Ref: Sec. 7-3 26) How much energy is needed to change the speed of a 1600 kg sport utility vehicle from 15.0 m/s to 40.0 m/s? A) 1.10 MJ B) 10.0 kJ C) 20.0 kJ D) 40.0 kJ E) 0.960 MJ Answer: A Diff: 1 Page Ref: Sec. 7-4 27) An object of mass 10.0 kg is initially at rest. A 100 N force causes it to move horizontally through a distance of 6.00 m. What is the change in the kinetic energy of this object? A) 0 J B) 200 J C) 60.0 J D) 600 J E) 1000 J Answer: D Diff: 1 Page Ref: Sec. 7-4 28) A 30 N-force toward the west is applied to an object. The object moves 50 m east during the time the force is applied. What is the change in kinetic energy of the object? A) 0.0 J B) 1.7 J C) 1.0 J D) -1500 J E) 750 J Answer: D Diff: 1 Page Ref: Sec. 7-4 29) A man lifts a 20.0-kg bucket of concrete from the ground up to the top of a 30.0-m tall building. The bucket is initially at rest, but is traveling at 4.0 m/s when it reaches the top of the building. How much work was done by the man in lifting the bucket? A) 5.88 kJ B) 600 J C) 760 J D) 6.04 kJ E) 160 J Answer: D Diff: 1 Page Ref: Sec. 7-4 30) A ball is thrown upward with a speed and direction such that it reaches a maximum height of 18.0 m above the point it was released. At its maximum height it has a speed of 20.0 m/s. With what speed was the ball released? A) 27.4 m/s B) 24.3 m/s C) 35.1 m/s D) 31.3 m/s E) 39.0 m/s Answer: A Diff: 1 Page Ref: Sec. 7-4 31) A 6.00-kg block starts from rest and slides down a frictionless incline. When the block has slid a distance 2.00 m, its speed is 3.00 m/s. At what angle above horizontal is the inclined plane tilted? A) 6.58° B) 27.3° C) 8.80° D) 5.26° E) 13.3° Answer: E Diff: 1 Page Ref: Sec. 7-4 32) How large a force is required to accelerate a 1600 kg car from rest to a speed of 25 m/s in a distance of 200 m? A) 1600 N B) 0 N C) 200 N D) 400 N E) 2500 N Answer: E Diff: 1 Page Ref: Sec. 7-4 33) A 10.0-kg object is initially moving with a velocity of 20.0 m/s to the north and is acted on by a constant net force. After the object moves 30.0 m to the north, its velocity is 12.0 m/s north. What is the constant net force acting on the object? A) 66.6 N north B) 3.33 N south C) 42.7 N south D) 214 N north E) 66.6 N south Answer: C Diff: 2 Page Ref: Sec. 7-4 34) A 1.00-kg mass is attached to a spring hanging vertically and hangs at rest in the equilibrium position. The spring constant of the spring is 1.00 N/cm. The mass is pulled downward 2.00 cm and released. What is the speed of the mass when it is 1.00 cm above the point from which it was released? A) 0.0443 m/s B) 1.67 m/s C) 0.0201 m/s D) 1.73 m/s E) The mass will not reach the height specified. Answer: D Diff: 2 Page Ref: Sec. 7-4 35) The force on a 0.500-kg particle depends on position such that F(x) = (1.00 N/m2)x2 + ( 4.00 N/m)x for a particle constrained to move along the x-axis. If the particle starts from rest at x = 0.00, what will be its speed when it reaches the position x = 4.00 m? A) 1.65 m/s B) 22.6 m/s C) 14.6 m/s D) 11.3 m/s E) The particle will not reach the position x = 4.00 m. Answer: C Diff: 2 Page Ref: Sec. 7-4 FIGURE 7-6 36) The force on a 3.00-kg object as a function of position is shown in Fig. 7-6. If an object is moving at 2.50 m/s when it is located at x = 2.00 m, what will its speed be when it reaches x = 8.00 m? 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On November 14 2012 23:06 strongandbig wrote: that sir is what's called "pushing your luck" BH posted this after reading exactly the same explanation from DP that I read, and exactly the same comments on DP's meta from marv as I read, and doing exactly the same amount of work looking into DP's actual scum/town meta as I did (none) - and yet he comes up with a vote? Without at all addressing the points from Marv and from himself about DP's meta? And without addressing the other game in progress issue - which isn't an "unverifiable irl excuse," we can go look at the thread - and yet he comes up with a vote? guys what we have out of BH is not just a scummy and needless claim - we have a scummy and needless claim from a player who isn't playing up to his usual town standard in several ways - bad cases - trolling/fluff while taking the easy opportunity to gain points by attacking other people for fluff and most importantly - the huge mismatch in thread presence, thread control, and town organization between BH's last town game (whose line) and this game And then we have BH psychology: he just saw me do well - not win, except for self-declaring victory, but do much better than I should have given how the game started out - he saw me do well by fakeclaiming blue and then really pushing that fakeclaim hard. He also just had what I assume must be a trollgasm from evoking ridiculous reactions from Keirathi in that same game. Now he's claimed blue for no good reason, and it's a blue role that he can "verify" easily by withholding KP, or that he can make unverifiable by claiming to be roleblocked. There's no way a town BH decides "there are 3 or 4 votes on me, like 30 hours before the lynch - time to claim!" I just don't believe that thought process is real. ##vote: blazinghand ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING??? THERE ARE NO COUNTERCLAIMS FROM A JK/RB, AND YOU WANT TO LYNCH A JK CLAIM DAY 1??? | ||
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On November 14 2012 23:07 strongandbig wrote: sorry debears that was a little harsh. I should have said "lol didn't read" or "fool!" instead of "you idiot." No idiot is justified. I am wayyyy wrong on that. Thankyou for pointing that out. Eh iamp I rescind my arguments on you | ||
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Iamp and marv What do you feel about the DP wagon going on? Honestly, I feel that his play is a null tell at this point. I'd be willing to give him a second day to shape up and show some usefulness. Meanwhile, Hopeless has acted like he is contributing and really hasn't done anything | ||
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When u fall 9 pages behind in the filter during d1, you're gonna have a bad time. So iamp, why dp over thrawn? When thrawn comes in and wonder votes dp | ||
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Can you plz drop defending yourself if you are indeed jk. We'll only have limited time with you if you arent mafia. Plz scumhunt sirzzz. Any defense on your part right now is wasted | ||
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Off my phone, I see thrawns only real read is on dp....none others Not that hard to make one read and stick with it After all, thrawn said there was a lot to comment on today | ||
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On November 15 2012 01:00 Clarity_nl wrote: Huh.... You realize that's exactly what I said, right? Eh. Not really. But all the same, I think bh trusts me, so maybe he'll agree | ||
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I would appreciate if you go ahead and make a read. Irl busy? That's fine. Surely u must have some contribution to make | ||
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I came back to the thread way after bhs claim. There's nothing I can add. Therez no counter claim (if there was a rb claim yhen we'd be talking). What else is there to mention? He has a breadcrumb. Also, why would scum claim jk so early d1? Why gambit one of your team on something so easily counter claimed? Especially when bh not at risk for beibg lynched at that point Is it a dumb claim If he is? Yes. Its even dumber as scum | ||
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Will address hapa in a secs. Lolololol How long is lynch from now? | ||
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On November 15 2012 02:28 Hapahauli wrote: + Show Spoiler + Catchin-up catchin-up: @ SnB Why are you voting the claimed JK? I understand that his claim makes little sense from a town perspective, but it makes even less sense from a scum perspective. Claiming JK in that circumstance is just about the worst thing you can do, not to mention just about the worst role to claim. If he's alive after a cycle or two, it's probably worth looking into him. But today, he's a pretty bad lynch target. Regarding DarthPunk He's very uncharacteristically inactive for his town play, but the same applies to his scum play. I hate having no solid opinion on him, but he's very null to me. His inactivity is not alignment indicative. He's been rather whiny as of late too, but that's pretty unusual for him as either alignment as well. Lynching him is flipping a coin, and I have stronger scumreads than him atm. Regarding Hopeless1der I haven't considered him as much. All I know is that he has a propensity for lurking regardless of alignment. However, I think he's town because of the attention he's getting from debears Regarding debears Pretty convinced he's scum at this point, especially after his last few posts: On November 14 2012 14:15 debears wrote: If you look at my posting before the iamp stuff, I was focused on Hopeless. However, Hopeless failed to post much after that, and he still has. I feel like his lecturing + lack of posting is much more scum indicative than iamp's posting, hence my vote on hopeless and not iamp 1 And about the one liners. It was the first 14-18 hours of d1. Not much to go off of for big cases, especially with thrawn, dp, hopeless, kickstart, and crossfire contributing minimally. Wow that's 5/13 players. Hey thats more than 1/3 of the game!!!!!!!!!!!! Amazing Hapa, why are you focusing me over the above stated 5 players?2 Also Hapa, why are you attacking easy targets: S&B, Kickstart, Me(after i go afk). 3 What happened to your iamp scum read hapa? 4 to I see that you override his in game play with meta on d1. Very interesting 1) I'll get to the iamperfection thing below. I think it's pretty clear that iamperfection was his top scumread. 2) His first instinct when defending his "lack of substance" is to point fingers at 5 other players to deflect attention from himself. I find this horrendously scummy. 3) Again, deflecting attention from himself by accusing me of going after "easy" targets. This isn't coherent given that he just accused me of not going after 5 easier targets pointed out above. In addition, this is just a further deflection, and he's trying to paint himself as this helpless, "easy" target when he is anything but so given the player-group we have. 4) I'd understand him questioning me if he had a scumread on me, but he doesn't. He just floats suspicion out there and since this post (~10 hours ago), he still hasn't called me scummy, pushed his opinion, or done just about anything in relation to my alignment. As for my read-change on iamperfection, we've played A LOT of games together. His meta is very distinctive between his town and scum play, and his actions so far point towards his town meta regardless of his 180. Don't trust me? Ask marv. Don't trust marv? Look at all the analysis about his meta in GSL III Mini. Now debears is really insistant that Hopeless is his top scumread instead of iamperfection when he was questioning iamperfection. This is full of shit. He votes Hopeless1der here for lurking/uselessness - typical early D1 case: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=381440¤tpage=15#282 Debears other substantial post on Hopeless1der is here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=381440¤tpage=23#447 Look how remarkably civil he is to Hopeless. There's no strong "scummy" rhetoric or anything suggesting that Hopeless is a strong scumread of his. He throws a bunch of soft-ball questions at Hopeless which shows to me that he's not all that committed to his read. Now look at his posts on Iamperfection: On November 14 2012 03:04 debears wrote: So marv 1) iamp changes from a town read (pretty convincing one early d1) 2) sheeps on a case when he changes 3) sheeps on a case based off of lack of activity/helpfulness in the first half of d1 with a 180 read That's not strong reasoning. Iamp knows it. That's why he goes out of his way to state the contradictiom. Explanations Town- idk why Scum - trying to look like scumhunter On November 14 2012 04:38 debears wrote: Iamp's switch on Z-Bo is alarming to me. Let me explain why Town read on Z-Bo + Show Spoiler + On November 13 2012 09:50 iamperfection wrote: zbos explained it in his post would have been very risky in my view. On November 13 2012 09:55 iamperfection wrote: its what i think so whatever. Zbos scum is gone put himself out there like that i dont think so. Alright, these two posts seem pretty strong saying that Z-Bo is townie. Note the word use "very risky for scum" and "scum wouldn't put themselves out there like that" On November 13 2012 10:33 iamperfection wrote: guys a town zbos could lie if he was blue He could be scum he could be vt. I'm inclined looking at the comment that he was just writing what he thought and that it was probably true. He just had a slip of the tongue so i'm actually inclined to think it was actually the truth. It didn't look like to me as a scum making a post in order to put a claim together. Boom i got two town reads already which you gonna do mafia?????????? Here he states outright that he has a town read on Z-Bo Note that his town read is a null tell to me. Suspicions of BH ----> Agreeing with BH Next, iamp becomes suspicious of BH + Show Spoiler + On November 13 2012 11:31 iamperfection wrote: so uh this guys is like not helping right now and i expect better from him since i hold him in high regards. i say we force his hand. ## Vote Blazinghand Especially since he made it obvious that he was here with his "lol" Note the timestamp. 30 minutes later, this comes out On November 14 2012 00:04 iamperfection wrote: LOL dont you dare talk down to me you little punk. You criticize me when YOU were the one being all terrible with your first couple of posts. Being all herp derp i don't have to contribute even though interesting things were happening at the time. Give me a break But that being said ## Unvote Your case on zbos reminds me more of your play from rockband more then the way you were being early on. Lokking at what zbos has posted especially this crap which bh pointed out If you look closely debears never said anything about being able to tell if marv is town or not from an anyltical standpoint he made it pretty clear that it was not the case and that he had said he was simply going to vote for him no matter what. Zbos totally misrepresents what is being said here and if he has the courage to throw a vote out for it you would have thought he would have read clearly what he was in fact voting for. This post here is also another pile of crap and its the iamperfection rule of whoever defends me is probably scum. If he cared at all to check in gsl III where i was scum which he played in lollololol i thrw around 2 strong town reads early on he should know this and the fact that he isnt willing to do any legwork in order to find out is more evidence not in his favor. This post is also extremly wishy washy on everything he said. I know i said early on that i thought the miller claim was more of a town tell but well i think zbos actions speak louder. so ## Vote zboson Note the two changes here 1) BH is suddenly town because of one case 30 minutes after iamp's original suspicion 2) Z-Bo is suddenly scum because of BH's case Note his poor reasoning. His first point is BH's reasoning. His second point is the "imperfection rule"...Really??????? Also, remember that it was and is the first half of d1 at this point. Why is he jumping on Z-Bo for two fucking posts? Why is he jumping on a case from a person whom he thought was suspicious 30 minutes prior? See how poor that reasoning is? When you switch from a town read to a scum read, you're reasoning should be pretty good. An apparent guilty conscience Ok. What does this line from his vote post on Z-Bo tell us about iamp? 1) He cares about how the town is viewing him 2) He doesn't believe his reasoning is that great for his vote -note the "well I think his actions speak louder". It's a weak statement. Not a strong one, (a strong one) which should be warranted when you change your read from town to scum in literally no time Point 1 is a null tell. Point 2 doesn't make any sense from a townie perspective. What are your guy's thoughts??? Look at how much stronger he's attacking iamperfection. He's much more convinced, he's much more direct, and he's really really pushing the iamperfection case. He mentions several times that he doesn't see any townie perspective from Iamperfection - rhetoric like this is completely absent in his dialogue with Hopeless. My vote is square on Debears. He's using emotional and deflectionary defenses, and his voting makes no sense with his suspicions. 1) The whole problem you have with me is based on the assumption that Iamp was my top scumread. I never stated he was. I had my vote on Hopeless. Why do you keep ignoring that Hopeless has posted literally nothing in terms of scumhunting Can I remind you of your own scumhunting rules? On August 15 2012 03:13 Hapahauli wrote: I wanted to comment on this because I feel a lot of the current town guides don't answer this question sufficiently. I'll likely do a writup on my thought-process during the game (scum-reads and whatnot), but for now, to your question (Take all of this FWIW - I've played a grand total of 3 games). Index: 1) Common Knowledge is Worthless 2) Ask the Right Questions - "uncommon knowledge" 3) Find a Way to Answer These Questions Using Your Playstyle Common Knowledge is Worthless I feel that a lot of the "scumhunting" in newbie games is overly based on common knowledge. Due to the guides, newbies go into games thinking that all it takes to find mafia is to find a couple of common scumtells in someone's play. So on Day 1, the indecisive, inconsistent, and emotional player gets lynched on the basis of these "common" scumtells. 95% of the time, they flip town, a bunch of townies blame each other, and the cycle repeats. The problem here, is that these "common" scumtells aren't always accurate (and argubly are rarely accurate). If everyone reads the guides and knows what these tells are, how can they be used to reliably scumhunt? In fact, scum will often consciously avoid these tells and run the town around in circles. If you want a good example of this, look at Newbie XXI. My mafia teammates simply tunnel suspicion on a player or two without getting involved in the game at all. People should have been questioning them, yet on the basis of "common scumtells," they were viewed as townies until very late in the game. It's worth saying that common scumtells may not be completely useless in Newbie games - I used these tells to catch my first mafia in Newbie XX (Hopeless1der). In addition, Promethelax was showing some common scumtells in this game - fingerpointing all over the place with little reasoning. However, all these tells will go out the window when you move into real games. Ask the Right Questions So if common scumtells are useless, then how do we scumhunt? The answer is to ask the right questions - this is the list I have so far:
Is this player genuinenly trying to scum-hunt? This is the #1 thing you should ask yourself when making a read on a player. If a player is sheeping on a popular suspicion or isn't providing much analysis, you need to question them and figure out if they're scum-hunting or not. All three mafia players fell under this player category this game. All too often, these types of players (see DrWiggles and Mufaa in XXI) are let off the hook because their play is "clean." + Show Spoiler + Of course this can go even deeper than this. If someone is "scum-hunting" in a different way than in a previous game, you should question their motives. If someone is tunneling a player too much even though they seem like a bad townie, you should question their motives. There is no "check-list" that you can use to answer this question. Is this player playing with information? This is a question I use to determine a bad townie froma mafia player. Think about how you think as a townie - you're always unsure of your reads, you commonly switch suspicions, and you're generally suspicious of everyone around you. This generally leads to very inconsistent play among townies who can't write or express their ideas very well. Yet these townies often end up getting lynched. When you see inconsistent play, put yourself in a player's "shoes" and try to understand how they think. For example, look at Lvdr's play in Day 0.5 - he posted a lot of one liners and sheeped suspicion on a lot of players, yet I thought he was town. Why? Because he was thinking like a townie! However, a Mafia player knows exactly who and who isn't town. Mafia can actually be very sure of themselves because they know exactly what's up. A player that takes forceful and confident opinions can very well be mafia, yet some players give this "confident and forceful" play as a strong townie read. Keep your mind open to all options and really try to figure out a player's mentality. What story is this player trying to tell? It's always important to understand the context of a player's actions rather than the actions themselves. It's easy for a player to make a case on individual inconsistent actions (Mafia do this quite often - see Promethelax and GoodKarma being obsessed with Sideni mixing up names in the thread). However, these cases are not always accurate unless you can put these actions into context. I actually defended Calgar on this basis in Newbie XXI. Even though I was mafia that game, I think my logic was pretty sound: On July 19 2012 12:18 Hapahauli wrote: Here are my thoughts on the Calgar case: tl;dr - I think Calgar is very townie. When looking for suspicious posts, its important to take the entire context of a person's play rather than individual posts. For example, I can dig through Jingle's filter and build a case on him for "suspicious and inconsistent play," yet Jingle is one of my very strong townie reads. Why? Because his play in full context shows a reckless player who tries to generate discussion - he's bound to have inconsistent/suspicious play based on his posting style alone. In the case against Calgar, I'm seeing all his inconsistent posts brought to light while ignoring the context of his play and any pro-townie evidence in his favor. So here's a question; has Calgar's play hurt or helped us this game? I'd say he helped us quite a bit. He generated a lot of discussion and got a lot of lurkers to talk. In Jingle's case, this is interpreted as him bandwagonning suspicion on several players before casting a vote on iamperfection. Calgar's fingerpointing play appears townie in full context. Another point Jingle makes is his "me-too" bandwagonning on my suspicions/ideas. Again, in full context, this isn't suspicious. I assume that Calgar thinks his strongest townie reads are Jingle and I, and he's been actively trying to make peace with (and between) us. Just take a look at this post: What part of this even makes sense from a mafia perspective? Why the hell would he attempt to break up a fight between us? Other than his last post to Jingle, he's been very active in trying to get on good terms with his top townie reads and stopped us from our distracting fight. This is 100% pure-colombian townie. As a final point, while I see "inconsistency" in Calgar's play, I don't see any any attemps to lie, mislead, or deflect. Inconsistency is indicative of reckless townie play - misleading play is very very mafia oriented. I don't see any indication of the latter at all. So before the town goes and bandwagons Calgar, ask yourself; is he really the most suspicious player here? Does he have any mafia-motive? In my opinion, no and no. Find a Way to Answer These Questions Using Your Playstyle The last step is playstyle - you need to find the best way for YOU to get the information needed to answer these questions. In my case, I like aggressively questioning players and ripping the answers out of them. Others like sitting back and "observing" the thread before chiming in with their reads. Many take a balance between the two styles. There are advantages and disadvantages to different methods, but what's important is that you find a style that works for you. WOWOWOWOWOWOW Hapa is going after someone "scumhunting to hard' instead of not scumhunting, despite his list of rules. What's the #1 thing you look for Hapa? OH YEAH SCUMHUNTING DOH. 2) I pointed out 5 other players because it makes no sense for you to attack me for "scumhunting too hard" when we have 5 lurker-doodles who aren't contributing, at least up to that point 3) Check my meta on why i'm questioning you. I question people who vote me for dogshit reasons. 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On November 15 2012 03:03 marvellosity wrote: why didn't you comment on BH's claim? On November 15 2012 02:28 debears wrote: Marv I came back to the thread way after bhs claim. There's nothing I can add. Therez no counter claim (if there was a rb claim yhen we'd be talking). What else is there to mention? He has a breadcrumb. Also, why would scum claim jk so early d1? Why gambit one of your team on something so easily counter claimed? Especially when bh not at risk for beibg lynched at that point Is it a dumb claim If he is? Yes. Its even dumber as scum Why didn't you read? You been criticizing me and now you didn't either. Thanks | ||
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On November 15 2012 03:04 strongandbig wrote: AT: "this is a dumb town claim but a dumber scum claim" I have yet to see why this is true. I addressed in this post why BH specifically would make this fakeclaim as scum right now. To summarize, it's a combination of reasons: he really enjoys trolling, and he knows how good of an idea making an unverifiable fakeclaim is as scum under pressure in the current TL meta. your argument "if he's alive in a few days" is terrible. if, in theory, he was town, there would be no reason for scum to kill him above anyone else; they could just roleblock him forever now that he's claimed, and he's taking enough heat that town doesn't get any kind of "confirmed townie" advantage from having him alive. all that said, debears is still my second lynch choice. I guess I should say more about him than "kenpachi rule", but I won't right now because I don't have time. That's cool. Second scum read for no reason. Good scumhunting. Here's my problem with lynching BH today. Why the fuck would the scum risk a teammate on a jk claim, out of all claims this early d1? 1) They have no/little power roles so they don't believe there are many blues this games. Even that is a retarded assumption because the roles on one side don't necessarily affect the roles on another. a. They are a weak scumteam and believe they can't win by pure ability b. They feel like fucking around with a fakeclaim c. They wanted to out the jk/rb day1 d. BH felt honestly at threat even though he has 2 teammates that can help him e. They want to give town plenty of time to counterclaim Those three reasons are dogshit reasons to do it. I see number one as most plausible 2)There is no 2 for mafia. cuz nothing else makes sense Why would town BH claim so early? 1) He's being dumb 2) He doesn't feel like fighting off a lynch 3) He can help eliminate a lynch option day 1 when he knows he fucked up Both views are retarded. The mafia view requires WAY more assumptions. Ockham's razor brah | ||
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On November 15 2012 03:10 Hapahauli wrote: Oh debears is claiming scum. Cool. Cool Hapa give a meta read on me man. I wanna see what you can make up brah so I can easily refute it | ||
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On November 14 2012 09:41 Hapahauli wrote: I'm in school on weekdays - it's impossible for me to be more "present" than I currently am. As for BH, I DID comment on him: He claimed shortly thereafter, so it was pointless for me to comment more. On to the rest of your stuff: Your Town Reads: Agree on clarity and iamperfection. Clarity seems much more engaged this game than his Newbie XXX game. Iamperfection for reasons previously stated. Disagree on marv. I don't think he's done anything alignment indicative. He's definitely capable of doing this as scum, even though he played a more dispirited game last game. Completely null on him. Your Null Reads: I'm putting SnB into the town category (again POSSIBLY the SK, but I don't want to speculate too much). His play so far is such a far departure from his scumplay. Crossfire is null (duh) I'm getting more scum vibes from Thrawn. He's made one pretty coherent post and just peaced out. He could be afk for RL issues or something, but given that he's never played a scumgame (to my knowledge) and that we have a sudden deviation in his play, the connection is there. Your Scumreads Disagree with me obv, I'm town dawg As for debears, he was one of the players willing to follow me on iamperfection, and he made one of those "overkill"/"overexplained" cases when voting him: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=381440¤tpage=29#575 It reads as really artificial and a way to cover his bases. Agreed here. I'm firmly null on DarthPunk. Hopeless is lurky, but that's normal regardless of alignment for him (null as well). Where's that meta read bro? | ||
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On November 15 2012 03:13 Hapahauli wrote: Geezus christ you actually buy that shit BH? Good lord you're better that. I'm going after debears because he's NOT scum hunting. HE IS NOT VOTING FOR HIS TOP SCUMREAD He half-assed pushed Hopeless, put his vote on him, then tunneled the hell out of iamperfection without ever making a commitment. Where in the fuck do I even mention "scumhunting too hard?" That isn't the damn premise of my case. You're deflectionary, your voting makes no sense, and now you're voting for your attacker + lynch-bait. Die scum. The premise of your case is that you ASSUME that iamp was my top scumread when my top scumread was afk. Why wouldn't I fucking push someone else while he's all afk? Hapa's way better than making a case off bad assumptions | ||
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On November 15 2012 03:04 debears wrote: But seriously consider Hopeless. Cuz honestly I see them both likely scum. At least Hapa is a strong town player and he's active. He'll have more time to slip Hey Hapa read scum | ||
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On November 15 2012 03:19 Hapahauli wrote: It's not an assumption. I outline really clearly why that's not the case. You half-assed tunneled Hopeless, softballed him questions, and somehow are calling him your top scumread. You tunneled the motherfuck out of iamperfection and explicitly stated you saw no town motivation in his actions. Yeah that's fucking town debears right there. Yeah it is. lecturing brah is something I hate as town. Look at my last game ffs. your meta reads off on me. Or you don't have one. Idk which | ||
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On November 15 2012 03:23 Hapahauli wrote: What is with this meta read shit? None of this has to do with meta. All of this has to do with you not being able to keep your story straight. Hell your two scumreads right now are a) the person attacking you and b) the top lynch-bait in the game. You made these two reads the second traction started forming on your lynch. Optimal scum strategy in this situation. Coincidence? Naw. Hey guess who was first on hopeless <<<<<<This guy Second, I find your reasons dogshit. You're a good town player. You aren't showing it right now. So I think you're scum Hapa, you like using meta in your reads, yet you don't want to with me. What gives? Make a meta case that proves your point. If you keep saying no, then that means you can't and you're wrong | ||
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On November 15 2012 03:36 Hapahauli wrote: 1) So I'm going to give you townie points for being the first to jump on the easiest player to lynch in the game? Oh wait. 2) I'm not wrong. You're scum. 3) Rofl I have to use a meta read against you? GTFO. You really want a meta read? Your logic is terrible as scum. This is a prime example of it. I'm off to class, be back in a few hours Lynch debears. His recent posting says it all. Hey Hapa 1) I had a scumread on him before you started calling him an "easy player to lynch". You're full of shit. I saw him as scummy wayyyy early. 2) Yeah you must be. Cuz you refuse to show me one. Which means you don't have anything to back you up besides your lazy assumption of iamp being my top scumread 3) My logic is terrible? YOU'RE BETRAYING YOUR OWN RULES OF SCUMHUNTING, ESPECIALLY YOUR MOST IMPORTANT RULE | ||
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On November 15 2012 05:37 Clarity_nl wrote: Just got back and caught up. A lot happened. Iamp claimed he's staying on Darth, how about you thrawn? Because if you plan on moving I'll have to make a decision between debears and.... Hopeless? I don't like debears' reaction to accusations at all, very emotional with not much weight or facts behind it. When he got accused of being scum D1 in XXX he addressed the points and moved on to scumhunt. That said I don't think that makes him scum and the cases against him didn't convince me. So hopeless. Well there definitely is nothing townie about him, I believe he's the better lynch candidate. I still want my Darth lynch though, so Thrawn, whadya say? Hopeless had been around and following the thread and he's still useless as town so far. Darthpjnk promises returns tomorrow and he is in another game, along with Thrawn Why dp? The only reason I could say dp is that he's not active and he bitched about not wanting to make reads. However he has posted reads on multiple players. What has hopeless done? A scumread on me on non original reasoning. Mario mafia lynch campaign 2012 Lynch hopeless! | ||
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I'm willing to wait for more. I like dps town play. Why lynch over hopeless when dp actually has a decent excuse and he promises more? If dp doesnt deliver, we lynch him tomorrow. If he does, we reevaluate him. Hopeless has no excuse like him. Hopeless has failed to make a read besides on me | ||
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On November 15 2012 07:28 Hapahauli wrote: You were suspicious of me? Since when? I obviously disagree with your suspicions, but I don't think you have sinister motives behind it. Regarding BH - I have no idea what to make of it. On the one hand, I think his JK claim is completely non-sensical from a scum perspective. On the other hand, it's questionable from a town perspective as well, and if he's town, he's playing by far the worst game I've ever seen him play. His vote on me for "buddying" is just absolutely terrible. But I still just can't see him claiming JK as scum in his position. I think the JK claim makes him town, but every one of his actions makes me question it again and again. Regarding "presence" - I am really present when I'm around my computer, so I really don't know where you're getting this from. I'm in school in the mornings/afternoons and can't post much (weekdays only). At night though (5pm to 12pm) is when I get most of my posting done in all of my games. As for "debears claiming scum" - I'm very adamant about this. Look at his two main suspicions: an easy mislynch candidate, and his attacker (myself). Not to mention that his vote on me is a PURE OMGUS. This is the best way for scum not to give any information when they die (marv did this in GSL III, attacking me and drazak). Also, he only got suspicious of me and Hopeless the second he came under serious suspicion and became one of the leading candidates. Lastly, just read over my cases. His defenses are diversionary and deflectionary, which I described in detail here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=381440¤tpage=47#937 Hapa you're so full of it. I WAS SUSPICIOUS OF HOPELESS FROM THE BEGINNING. HOLY SHIT.I wasn't under serious suspicion. Now, you're lying HE WAS IN NO WAY THE "EASY LYNCH" WHEN I FIRST HAD SUSPICIONS OF HIM. And oh look. I NEVER VOTED YOU HAPA CUZ YOU AREN'T GETTING LYNCHED TODAY. Now, you're making stuff up More lies | ||
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When were those posts? Early D1 if I recall What have you posted that's so great? You trolled in the beginning. Now you're being hypocritical in your vote | ||
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On November 15 2012 08:17 iamperfection wrote: do what hopeless did on the last page plz. Fine. Gimme a sec | ||
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thrawn2112 - has ACME. Been afk. Null Hapahauli - Scum. Terribad reasoning for his cases. Pushing someone making scumreads over people who aren't (which scumhunting is his number one thing in his book). Blazinghand - I believe his jk claim for now. I'd like to see some more scumhunting though strongandbig - Trolled early d1. A vet. Null leaning scummy. Also, hypocritical in his vote DarthPunk - Same as thrawn. Null Clarity_nl - Has disappeared lately. Liked his posting early though. Null leaning town Hopeless1der - Scum. Look at my filter so my thoughts on his lecturing/lack of caring for town iamperfection - Town. We had some serious mental connections after I realized I was wrong on his timing of his read switch on BH Kickstart - No original contributions. Null leaning scummy Crossfire99 - Modkill Z-BosoN - has posted very little, but has huge posts. Null tell leaning town. You could say his huge posts are good because of content, but it makes it easier as scum imo to just post big posts that you can think out, instead of just reacting. He seems pretty reasonable | ||
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On November 15 2012 08:19 Hopeless1der wrote: Spread more shit on every other player. That'll save you 100% I don't need saving. I'm not gettin lynched | ||
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A Compilation of Quotes by Debears (Thankyou Cheese for the idea from last game): Here are Hapa's full use of meta in this game. He mentions it quite often when making a base read on someone's actions. ****WARNING SPOILER IS LONG. IT CONTAINS EVERY META QUOTE HE HAS IN GAME****** + Show Spoiler + On November 13 2012 10:22 Hapahauli wrote: You're voting him 'cause the post is retarded? And not because it's scummy? The last time you pulled that, you were scum (Mafia LVII). ##Vote DarthPunk ('fo real this time) Meta on DP On November 13 2012 10:54 Hapahauli wrote: Well it's weird for sure. I'm used to seeing scum SnB be a lot more "wordy" when he posts. Atleast this was the case in Mafia LVII and Death Note Mini. Howwwwwweva, this post really sets off my scum alarms: He calls debears argument/suspicion on me stupid, when he himself has his vote on me. It's not consistent at all with his suspicions so far, and I can't wrap my head around a townie thought process here. ## Vote StrongandBig Meta on S&B On November 13 2012 15:34 Hapahauli wrote: Done with paper woo! So here are some thoughts before I'm off to bed: @ Kickstarter Heya bud! A successful Day 1 is an active Day 1. If townies are open, active, and honest, it generates tons of information and makes it hard for scum to hide. As far as my own contributions, it seems like a really pointless question, since my answer will be biased as either alignment. I'll just let my activity speak for itself over the next 48 hours. Also, I realize you're a new player, so please don't be afraid to post! How open and active you are is really important in order for town to figure out your alignment. If you're town, post! If you're scum, just roleclaim or somethin =D Regarding StrongandBig I'm so torn on him, and fortunately we have another ~40 hours to determine his alignment. I'm undecided whether or not he's just deliberately trolling or not. Having seen him play scum in Mafia LVII and DeathNote Mini, this just seems as such a far departure from his more "careful" scum-style of play. He seems to be really inviting attention to himself at this point and is overall very ambivalent to suspicion against him. On the other hand, his play on it's face right now just seems really scummy. My previous point (on him criticizing debears) still stands, and his recent posting is just ridiculously off. My vote will stay on him until he proves his alignment otherwise. Regarding the Inactives Activity has been really solid so far, but we still have two players who haven't posted, Crossfire99 and Thrawn. I'm not going to judge them after only a couple of hours, but I'm looking forward to hearing from both of them. Also BlazingHand has been very off from his traditional "dick dick dick" screaming townie play. He's notoriously bad at scum, and his play so far is something that I'd expect from his scumplay. Again, not going to judge based on 6 hours, but he'll likely have my vote if he keeps this up. Meta on S&B and BH On November 14 2012 02:31 Hapahauli wrote: Catching up on my lunch break. Regarding SnB ##Unvote After sleeping on it, I'm starting to agree that his play is too far of a deviation from his normal scum play to be scummy. I don't know what he's thinking, but it's much more reckless of a playstyle than I'd expect of scum SnB. (FWIW, the fact that he's continuing this behavior into today makes me think he's an SK or something. It falls into that "townie but really off" type of play that's common with 3rd party roles.) I still believe both situations to be the same - they are both strangely timed VT claims. Cheese's intent to "signal" other townies isn't a significant difference, as both potentially fall into the category of "scum wanting to look less suspicious despite not being suspicious." The situations are not identical by any means, but they're more similar than not. Regardless, I'm not suspicious of SnB anymore so I don't want to dwell on this. Regarding the Z-Boson Case I really disagree with it. The case is a giant anecdote for how Z-Boson's actions could be scummy rather than why they're scummy. All of this isn't valid at all hours into D1. All of the stuff described above is completely non-alignment indicative in the early game. Z-Boson has been less active than I'm used to seeing him, but again early D1 caveats. No reason to vote him. Regarding iamperfection His sudden flip-flop on Z-Boson is really strange. He goes from strongly trusting Z-Bo's claim early in the game to a vote for really shitty reasons. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=381440¤tpage=22#434 In his vote post, he first picks a fight with BH - odd considering that he's ultimately going to agree with his read. He puts a lot of stock into one of Z-Bo's early D1 postings and early-game banter (meaningless). He then talks about the "iamperfection rule" and another early D1 wishy-washy post. I wouldn't mind this if it weren't for his discussion about the miller claim: WHAT?!?!? Iamperfection had almost no doubt about Z-Bo's motives, and he's willing to do a complete 180 with the above reasoning. Just take a look at his previous stance, made right after Z-Bo's claim: He immediately trusted Z-Boson without question the second Z-Bo made that claim. Then all of a sudden now he turns around and can doubt the claim he so strongly believed in earlier. It makes no sense to me, and it looks like scum jumping on someone the second they have the reason to. This would be fine if he had a good case, but he just hinges on a couple of early D1 posts and the "iamperfection" rule as opposed to anything substantial. It doesn't help that the rest of his filter reads really artificially confrontational to me. It feels like he's trying to overcompensate for being caught in GSL III for not showing his "bravado" throughout the game. ##Vote iamperfection More meta on S&B. Meta on Z-Bo. Meta on iamp On November 14 2012 07:22 Hapahauli wrote: Oh sniped by some cases on BH. I'll get to that in a bit. I've always heard that BH's scum-play is notoriously bad, and he seems more fearless than I would expect from his "bad" scum play. I'll take a look at the cases, but that's my first impression of him anywho. Meta on BH On November 14 2012 07:26 Hapahauli wrote: His rationale and motive make sense to me from a scum perspective - I've already mentioned that. Making a 180 when spurred by another case is scummy and convenient. I realize you disagree, but I think you're wrong. And to draw comparisons to the read on Kei you mentioned in GSL III - I find imaperfection's actions alone much more scummy than Kei's actions in GSL III. Kei has a history of reluctant D1 play. Iamperfection doesn't have a history of these things in his town play to my knowledge. Meta on iamp On November 14 2012 08:39 Hapahauli wrote: @iamp ##Unvote From your reactions so far, you're probably town. The "I don't give a fuck" thing has been on full display for the last few hours, and that meta read hasn't been wrong on you yet. I also do like the post on Z-Bo, but I give him less townie points than you do. Z-Bo can push a read as either allignment, but I do agree he's being open so far. meta on iamp On November 14 2012 08:45 Hapahauli wrote: Yeah I'm looking at Thrawn and Kickstart atm. Thrawn's inactivity is pretty uncharacteristic of him so far. Kickstart as well dumped some suspicion on me and then peace'd out. I'm a bit more forgiving to Kickstart though as a first-time player. So let's get thrawn talking shall we? ##Vote Thrawn (Would love to hear from kickstart too, but more concerned with Thrawn atm) Meta on thrawn On November 14 2012 11:45 Hapahauli wrote: I still want to know where the hell he has been. He's posted 3 times - this is unlike anything in his town games. meta on thrawn On November 14 2012 12:51 Hapahauli wrote: From what I remember from Mafia LVII, he tried to ride people into the ground there as well (as scum). I'll look into it, but I'm not all too convinced about the meta read. Still pretty null on DP for the record. He's a little less active than I'm used to seeing him, though he's probably still asleep. Also, I'm interested in hearing your thoughts on some other players... howabout debears? I think he's much summier than DP at the moment. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=381440¤tpage=37#726 Meta on DP So, now everyone understands why I want to hear Hapa's meta on me. He was my coach in two games. He has seen all four of my games. So, I would guess he knows my play pretty well on both sides. What has hapa said about my meta? Here is his first post in which he found me scummy On November 14 2012 09:41 Hapahauli wrote: I'm in school on weekdays - it's impossible for me to be more "present" than I currently am. As for BH, I DID comment on him: He claimed shortly thereafter, so it was pointless for me to comment more. On to the rest of your stuff: Your Town Reads: Agree on clarity and iamperfection. Clarity seems much more engaged this game than his Newbie XXX game. Iamperfection for reasons previously stated. Disagree on marv. I don't think he's done anything alignment indicative. He's definitely capable of doing this as scum, even though he played a more dispirited game last game. Completely null on him. Your Null Reads: I'm putting SnB into the town category (again POSSIBLY the SK, but I don't want to speculate too much). His play so far is such a far departure from his scumplay. Crossfire is null (duh) I'm getting more scum vibes from Thrawn. He's made one pretty coherent post and just peaced out. He could be afk for RL issues or something, but given that he's never played a scumgame (to my knowledge) and that we have a sudden deviation in his play, the connection is there. Your Scumreads Disagree with me obv, I'm town dawg As for debears, he was one of the players willing to follow me on iamperfection, and he made one of those "overkill"/"overexplained" cases when voting him: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=381440¤tpage=29#575 It reads as really artificial and a way to cover his bases. Agreed here. I'm firmly null on DarthPunk. Hopeless is lurky, but that's normal regardless of alignment for him (null as well). No meta. His suspicion is "overkill case", which means to me "trying to hard to scumhunt". On November 14 2012 10:13 Hapahauli wrote: Looking at debears, there's not much to say other than there's not much substance in his 4-page filter. Lots of short, 1/2 line posts with banter. He jumps on Hopeless really quickly, who's one of the easier targets in the game. He's then pretty quick to jump on iamperfection, and has been pushing that "read" since. As previously stated, his "vote post" looks like an overkill-case. But the thing that really sticks out to me is that he's been tunneling iamperfection for the last few hours yet still has his vote on Hopeless. He's using a lot of strong language against iamperfection (much stronger than against hopeless), and from his filter it looks like iamperfection is his top scumread. At this point he's much more content to push the read on iamperfection than his one on Hopeless, and I see no townie reason why his vote isn't where his mouth is. ##Unvote ##Vote debears Next post. No meta. Just an assumption that iamp was my top scumread because iamp had more content and that I didn't vote him, which he sees as scummy ISN'T THAT THE PROBLEM? HOPELESS HAS BEEN AROUND AND HAS ZERO CONTENT So, what does Hapa's case boil down to? Me scumhunting while my vote is on another player. Hey HAPPPPPA LOOK AT THIS On November 14 2012 12:41 Hapahauli wrote: Well it pisses me off when someone's case on me is "lol you're scumhunting too hard" /rant AAAAAAnnnnyway, whaddya think of him? Stupid townie newbie or scummy? Hapa is either playing terribly as town, or he is scum | ||
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I am scummy looking d1 every game too :D | ||
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On November 15 2012 08:49 Clarity_nl wrote: Debears your case boils down to: "Hapa hasn't posted a meta read so the rest of his case doesn't matter" Have you considered that your town and scum meta D1 are rather similar, so there is no meta read to be made? There are differences my friend. There are differences. Besides, he's using it everywhere else. Why does he refuse to use it on me? And it's not just meta. It's how he betrays his scumhunting rules. Read my cases in filter plzzzz | ||
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WHO IS THINKING OF VOTING ME BUT DOESN'T HAVE THEIR VOTE ON ME? I NEED TO KNOW PROMPTLY THANKYOU | ||
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On November 15 2012 09:00 Hopeless1der wrote: That debears is going to rage at OMG META READ WITH NO EXAMPLES Hopeless last time someone did this to me when I was close to getting lynched was scum. You're just making the case against you better right now Saying stuff along the lines of "omg desperation" | ||
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Who will be around 1 hour before lynch guys???? | ||
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On November 15 2012 09:06 Blazinghand wrote: debears if you really want me to i'll vote you to I mean. Idc if you do. I just want to know numbers right now of a possible swing last hour | ||
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While it does fit meta, and I did say long posts make it easier for scum to think things out, I'm not willing to lynch Z-Bo today. Why not HopelesS? | ||
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Anyways marv I'm not lynching zbo because he's making nig posts and he's decisive. Not happening. I want to lynch someone who isn't contributing at all. That person is hopeless | ||
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I am surprised more of you didn;t go WTF when you read this I think only HAPA did. But this demonstrates a scum mindset. With me. I start many cases feel that they aren't working and move on maybe saving some things for later. The way he express how he went about his case on me Is how scum feel when making cases. It doesn;t really work but you push through and try to find things that stick. To me this is a quite revealing mindset possessed by clarity. This has already been explained by Clarity. After rereading, you should see what he means. Also, DP I find it odd how you say all day that you don't want to push a read, but now you do. From what I thought, I believed you said that you would come in n1/d2 to post more. Yet, you are doing it here an hour before lynch. Why? | ||
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On November 15 2012 10:03 iamperfection wrote: you didnt just fucking say that did you if someone wants to contribute let him fucking contribute. I'm not questioning him contributing. I am asking him if he actually meant before lynch or after lynch | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On November 15 2012 09:00 Hopeless1der wrote: That debears is going to rage at OMG META READ WITH NO EXAMPLES On November 15 2012 09:21 Hopeless1der wrote: @Marv's case on Z-Boson - Quite frankly, if it saves me, I'll vote Z-boson, otherwise my vote stays parked on debears. I still think Z-Bo is town though, I just happen to know I'm town. On November 15 2012 08:55 Hopeless1der wrote: You've just committed to showing shitty logic from scum debears =\ On November 15 2012 08:24 Hopeless1der wrote: On my way home, back in an hour ish On November 15 2012 08:24 Hopeless1der wrote: On my way home, back in an hour ish | ||
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##Unvote ##Vote Crossfire99 | ||
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##Vote Hopeless Nah fuck this Hopeless scummy as shit | ||
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Seriously HE ISN'T HERE AND HE HASN'T CONTRIBUTED ALL DAY HE DOESN'T GIVE A FUCK ABOUT TOWN | ||
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On November 15 2012 10:13 Hapahauli wrote: I think you're referencing debears... what... 2nd game? He's definitely changed since then and should know a thing or two about better logic. Because his logic in scum-games is absolutely turrrrrrible, and when I see stuff like "hapa is suspicious because he didn't post a meta read on me", I'm inclined to believe he's scum What has he done day 1? HIS ONLY SCUMREAD IS ON ME AND HE DIDN'T EVEN COME UP WITH HIS OWN REASONING | ||
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On November 15 2012 10:16 iamperfection wrote: That post was not claiming scum. Obviously he has been terrible but terrible scum or terrible town. CROSSFIRE would have been well aware that your jk claim was true or not if he was scum and you were telling the truth. I dont see him coming out of nowhere like that as scum. That's actually a very good point. Iamp current thought on hopeless gogogo | ||
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But is he scummy or townie? | ||
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I really don't get how someone with no contributions day 1 is getting away with this shit when he's clearly been up to date with the thread all of day1 | ||
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Obviously we aren't going to lynch him Cool thanks for the awesome case you knew would have no effect | ||
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##Vote Darthpunk Since no one is voting hopeless, and DP just made scummy as shit post after anti-town day | ||
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On November 15 2012 10:29 DarthPunk wrote: This fucking game. How in the FLYING FUCK is that a scumslip?!?!?!?! It would be anti town to try and persuade the entire town to vote clarity this close to dead line. Also nigh impossible. I am being rational and realistic about my chances of voting my top scumread. Holy balls hapa. If it's anti town to persuade town to lynch clarity, then why make a case on him? case=persuasion | ||
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30 minutes before the lynch and hopeless still not here last post of his On November 15 2012 09:52 Hopeless1der wrote: K actually going home this time. I'll be back before the lynch, TL being down notwithstanding That was 40 minutes ago. Long time to get home | ||
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On November 15 2012 10:31 iamperfection wrote: i lol every time i look at the full version of the vote count true that | ||
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On November 15 2012 10:34 Hapahauli wrote: Some people actually take a while to get home ya know? I have an hour commute myself. If he doesn't show up, then there's something to talk about. But this logic debears... if it wasn't for DP, I'd be screaming for your lynch right now. Hapa if he doesn't show up I'm autovoting him. He said he'd be back. No maybes in there | ||
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If hopeless doesn't show up, can we autolynch him plz? | ||
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On November 15 2012 10:36 DarthPunk wrote: Because HE IS MY FUCKING SCUM READ THAT I SAID I WOULD BUILD A CASE ON BEFORE THE FUCKING LYNCH ALL CAPS INITIATED Shhh DP. If hopeless doesn't show up I'm voting hopeless. There's still time for you. Fight if you are town damnit | ||
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##Vote Hopeless 20 minutes and counting. I doubt he's coming back | ||
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##Vote Darthpunk Ninja'd by Hopeless | ||
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66 pgs of filter d1 :/ Holy shit I'm glad I caught up when i did | ||
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##Vote Hopeless Plz for the love of god vote hopeless ppl | ||
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Standing with Z-Bo on this one boys | ||
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On November 15 2012 10:52 Hopeless1der wrote: ZB, how is what debears doing townie at all? He's trying to lynch me for inactivity when I said I was on my way home from work. He's had like 10 desperate posts trying to push me for no other reason than 'he's not here' - This is almost half his entire case on me. Lynch debears. No my case is that you haven't contributed anything d1 | ||
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Thrawn I've had scum read on hopeless since early d1 but no one will vote him I've also had scumread on hapa | ||
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On November 15 2012 11:13 Z-BosoN wrote: WHAT NOW?!?!?!?!?!?!?! DEBEARS FUCKING HIGH FIVE I'LL SAY WHY I THOUGHT HAPA WAS SCUM WHEN THIS IS OVER. *high five* I take most of the credit for this lynch | ||
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On November 13 2012 10:01 debears wrote: Hapa, last time you did that little spoiler trick (GsL III), you were the role that you put in the spoiler. Here, you put bowser. Now why would you put bowser out of all the scum roles? It seems to me like you were actively thinking of bowser, which you shouldn't be if you are town. I would expect you to put a town role in that spoiler | ||
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The wise debears never lies | ||
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Why would Hapa push me so hard and so stupidly when there were so many other viable lynch candidates around? gogogogogogogogo | ||
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On November 15 2012 23:36 Hopeless1der wrote: BECAUSE YOU'RE SCUMBUDDIES!! or he was trying to deflect attention off me Well it's not necessarily you, could have been someone else. But yes, attention deflection is right. Now, would it be who I was targeting or someone else who was a main target at the time? | ||
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On November 15 2012 23:39 marvellosity wrote: you're just lazy to type Marv answer my quizzzzz | ||
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On November 15 2012 23:42 marvellosity wrote: naw, your quiz is boring, bro. What if I come up with a better one? | ||
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Looking back at most of a 70-something pg thread to figure some associations. | ||
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On November 15 2012 23:47 iamperfection wrote: i think its pretty awesome that after a 70 page day 1 everyone said fuck it and caught scum. Agreed. Especially bowser :D Good times....good times And yeah I don't see anything from that scum game that necessarily helps me out looking back through day 1. The only thing I got is that hapa largely ignores his scumbuddies in d1/d2. But, that was also a long time ago | ||
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Yeah he's either JK or scum. His pre-thought out breadcrumb is not what a VT would do | ||
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he totally disregarded his rules of scumhunting in terms of hopeless. And was Hapa ever at threat for lynch before the swing? No way in hell. He wouldn't have to cover his tracks that early | ||
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On November 16 2012 00:52 Hopeless1der wrote: I look terrible, debears looks townie to me because of the fact that Hapa has seen all 4 of his games but couldn't even piece together a meta on debears. Later on, I made this comment, when I was convinced Hapa was town and debears was scum: + Show Spoiler + On November 15 2012 08:55 Hopeless1der wrote: You've just committed to showing shitty logic from scum debears =\ In the event that debears was lynched, I would have gone straight after Hapa until he gave the meta case on debears, even after he was dead. He'd spent so much time saying debears was deflective and that he didn't need meta, but then SUDDENLY! A meta appears. You don't even know i'm town, and you didn't then. You thought I was scum Yet you sound like u knew i would flip town ##FOS Hopeless | ||
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On November 16 2012 01:16 Hopeless1der wrote: Man, I realize I'm almost confirmed scum to you, but Hapa gave you a leg to stand on when he made that comment and I'll be damned if I just ignore that. I thought it was going to save you as scum, but it goes both ways in that he is revealing that there was more to his read against you that he didn't use to get you lynched. That is most un-Hapa-like behavior. I'm going to have to reread that whole thing :/ | ||
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I count these ppl actually showing up and talking Marv Iamp Hopeless Clarity BH - a little Keirathi Love how DP, Thrawn, Z-bo still not showing up I mean, by pure numbers at least 1 of them is town, and most likely 2 of them are town Then crossfire and kickstart.... Ugh | ||
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SB did show up earlier for a little. A little lower than BH | ||
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I'm going to give you a fresh slate starting now. I'll reread your d1 actions and such. If I like your contributions going into the lynch, I'll strongly reconsider a scumread on you. If I don't, I will use d1 to smite you into the ground ok? | ||
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On November 16 2012 02:30 marvellosity wrote: debears, you're so cute thankyou :D | ||
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Z-BosoN (5): Clarity_nl, marvellosity, Crossfire99, strongandbig, Hapahauli debears (1): Hopeless1der Hapahauli (6): Z-BosoN, Blazinghand, debears, iamperfection, Kickstart, DarthPunk So marv and iamp Based on this votecount, and d1 activity, I think we have a few good suspects *Warning: No Hopeless1der suspicions were included in this post* 1) Thrawn - way off his town meta. Never has played scum. Wasted vote. Didn't care who got lynched 2) Crossfire - Vote on Z-Bo, who I believe is town at this point. Also, nothing useful d1 3) S&B - his d1 wasn't great by any means. I'll have to take a look at who he found suspicious Out of the people voting Hapa - problem is hapa was scum and it was a really late bandwagon. Scum would've been retarded to bus their own teammate like that. Yet, it's still possible 1) BH - fakeclaim is suspicious. He is jk or scum (very slight chance of sk but doesn't make sense). I think he did start the bandwagon on hapa though with the "FOS if you would vote Hapa" thing 2) DP - D1 was very subpar for his capabilities. Pretty much him and thrawn had the same d1 in terms of contributions | ||
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On November 16 2012 02:51 marvellosity wrote: Hey Bo-man. Really unsure on Hopeless atm. My note against him says "Could be either. ick. useless lurky. feels town. now not so sure. torn." I've also uncoloured you orange for now. Do you use a coloring book for your reads? | ||
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On November 16 2012 03:07 marvellosity wrote: I use the google spreadsheet colour-in-cell function i'm sure that's the technical name. But what would you do if google went down in the middle of the game? A hardcopy coloring book is optimal | ||
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On November 16 2012 03:34 Z-BosoN wrote: So yea, I'd be safest with lynching him tomorrow. Yeah if I didn't think you were town, I would be all over you for this statement | ||
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How can we get a solid read off people who barely contribute? | ||
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On November 16 2012 06:17 Clarity_nl wrote: debears for someone accusing me of active lurking two hours in, you sure are active lurking Hellz yeah I did. And hellz yeah I am There aint too much to input on due to 5 lurker doodles. I have some reads, but ill share them right before night ends. I'm in the top 3 nk targets most likely (assuming marv and bh are town) | ||
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On November 16 2012 06:20 marvellosity wrote: BH is basically trolling town a lot for whatever reason. His nonsense claim. He calls Z-Bo town then votes him and calls him scum. He said DP is town, but also says "you can die tomorrow, fuck your bad logic" It's all just ridiculous and town is better off without him, right now. So why not get rid of sb? He's way trollier imo | ||
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On November 16 2012 06:23 marvellosity wrote: s&b is not way trollier, get a grip. .........alright fine. They are both trolly/bad for town At least bh voted for the scum | ||
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On November 16 2012 06:23 Clarity_nl wrote: You think scum will nk you or bh? delusional. I guess time will tell. No more discussion on this matter | ||
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On November 16 2012 06:25 marvellosity wrote: BH is giving us jack shit information, Clarity. We pretty much know he's either jk or scum. That's a big chunk of info | ||
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On November 16 2012 06:27 marvellosity wrote: funnily enough, I was musing that he could be SK after all. Isn't sk helpful to us until scum is gone? | ||
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On November 16 2012 06:28 marvellosity wrote: and no, being town or scum is not a huge chunk of info. Its not town or scum. Its jk or scum | ||
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On November 16 2012 06:37 marvellosity wrote: not necessarily. because if he's jailkeeper, scum would be roleblocking him to try to prevent him saving their scumshot. And scum would only know he's not-scum. And if he doesn't die, then town knows 100% that he is SK. That would be extremely valuable. But then we would want to lynch him. So itd be a wasted shot. If you don't like how he's playing, lynch him. Don't try to waste a shot on a possible jk. Shoot a lurker instead | ||
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On November 16 2012 06:50 marvellosity wrote: who gives a fuck if he's fucking jailkeeper? if he's jailkeeper he'll not be able to pull off his saves because he'll be roleblocked. Don't shoot a lurker, because, maybe you're not good enough to, but others are good enough to get reads on them. Cool marv. Flaming cuz I disagree with you. That's real pro town there You're making a huge deal out of this. Just lynch him if u feel he's that detrimental. Don't make a vig waste a shot (cuz 2/3 things he could be are wasted shots) | ||
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On November 16 2012 07:26 marvellosity wrote: Kickstart has 30+ posts and we are still in the first cycle. That is not lurking. Just because he's not activity fiends like the rest of us doesn't make him a lurker. 30+ posts in a cycle is quite adequate actually. What do you think of his content marv? | ||
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Now what about thrawn, dp, crossfire? | ||
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On November 16 2012 08:03 Hopeless1der wrote: + Show Spoiler + On November 14 2012 05:00 Clarity_nl wrote: Yeah.... making a case on Darth isn't working, which I think in itself says a lot. If you guys somehow haven't noticed. Take a look at Darth's filter. It's basically a bunch of one-liners, jokes, the occasional null read on others. It doesn't actually help town. The only things that stand out in his filter are him voting for SnB with the comment "so retarded" (which apparantly is a null tell, judging by his previous games, he throws the word around a lot) After I jump on the SnB wagon, he votes for me without explaining. Later on he quotes his own post of him voting for me and explains why, after I explain my reasoning he quickly unvotes me and hops back on SnB. He then claims he's just "throwing his vote around", but he doesn't ask questions or make comments about me or SnB. Then why vote for him? Because if it was to pressure, why wouldn't he actually explain why he's voted this way or ask questions? You either vote to lynch or you vote to pressure. But Darth's vote was.... neither? ##Vote DarthPunk Case isn't really working, but he votes DP anyways. He's already addressed this, in response to Hapa: On November 14 2012 07:25 Clarity_nl wrote: @ Hapa What I meant was: "I'm having trouble making a case on him" The reason I said this was because that actually speaks volumes about how he's been playing. 3 pages of filter and nothing to go on, even when you look closely. I didn't find some "scum gem" in one of his posts and started from there. I had a gut feeling and when I looked into him I found nothing that makes him town or scum, and that's concerning to me. I did provide analysis. The back and forth between Clarity and Hapa has been kind of meh. I'm looking for connections that may not exist, but Hapa later votes for DP when Darth makes a case on Clarity but doesn't vote. DP explicitly said he would make a case on clarity: On November 15 2012 01:20 DarthPunk wrote: Clarity Is a gut scum read. I couldn't tell you exactly why. but something is off. I plan to look through clarities filter when I get up. Its bad of him to not vote for his scum read, but good of him to provide the case he said he would. It was also really close to deadline so the chances of swinging votes onto a new case was unlikely. On November 15 2012 01:16 Clarity_nl wrote: Marv you're gonna have to tell me what this quiz thing was, or maybe refer me to where you did it in another game? I'm intrigued. @ Darth You're not getting lynched today, if you had read the thread you would know this. Clarity's vote was on DarthPunk at this point. How do you screw this up? On November 15 2012 01:33 Clarity_nl wrote: I just realized I got DP and BH mixed up big time. I said DP isn't getting lynched today and that's completely false... TT Back in 3.5 hours or so. Night DP. On November 15 2012 05:37 Clarity_nl wrote: Just got back and caught up. A lot happened. Iamp claimed he's staying on Darth, how about you thrawn? Because if you plan on moving I'll have to make a decision between debears and.... Hopeless? I don't like debears' reaction to accusations at all, very emotional with not much weight or facts behind it. When he got accused of being scum D1 in XXX he addressed the points and moved on to scumhunt. That said I don't think that makes him scum and the cases against him didn't convince me. So hopeless. Well there definitely is nothing townie about him, I believe he's the better lynch candidate. I still want my Darth lynch though, so Thrawn, whadya say? The consolidation reasoning between me and debears is really shitty. He doesn't care who dies, but would prefer me, because Hapa is unlikely to die while pushing debears and they get to push his mislynch after mine On November 15 2012 05:58 Clarity_nl wrote: I never answered this, so I will now, it's scummy. You don't want to keep yourself alive as town? This post rubs me the wrong way, its twisting DP's response. DP didn't want to give town lies/false information. That's a townie sentiment. Staying alive is great, but if it costs you your credibility or doesn't actually catch scum, its not useful. On November 15 2012 06:07 Clarity_nl wrote: That's my point. He's implying it means he's town. It doesn't. I basically disagree with this conclusion On November 15 2012 06:19 Clarity_nl wrote: Hopeless why are you not out there giving us your strongest reads and making cases? Even if you can't prevent the lynch, if you flip town we can read your filter and know it is all genuine. On November 15 2012 06:31 Clarity_nl wrote: Hopeless, other than debears, what are your thoughts on others? Even if you have null reads, please share them, explain them. I could see him being complacent, considering he's not up for the lynch, but these posts are kind of filler. They helped push me to get off the hook, but he didn't really need to tell me to do this. On November 15 2012 07:48 Clarity_nl wrote: Thanks hopeless for posting your thoughts. Yeah I've been misspeaking (typing) a lot, and it's quite a pain every time someone points it out. But if it gives people a town read of me, great! To answer your question of where I stand: I'd like to change this a bit though. Based solely on the fact that hopeless has been posting reads and answering questions clearly and concisely now. Whereas debears is nowhere to be found, his defense is lackluster and his case on hapa seems OMGUS. 180 on his read concerning me/debears. Could be legit, but it took a while for him to say it. Meanwhile, his vote has been parked on DP for ages Debears was 100% right to demand this of Hapa. Weak connection tell. + Show Spoiler + On November 15 2012 09:09 Clarity_nl wrote: I feel I am at a disadvantage, not having a natural meta awareness about most people in this thread. I do try to read people's older games after I am done reading through their filter, but I just read their filter, which means their posts lose context.. somewhat. That said, marv's case makes a lot of sense. I mean, he used the word propensity, how can I resist. ##Unvote ##Vote Z-BosoN Blind Sheep, no accountability in his actions. "propensity" Despite all that time revising his read between me and debears, his vote finally moves so he can sheep Marv's case On November 15 2012 09:53 Clarity_nl wrote: I hope everyone is cool with me addressing DP's case after lynchtime, because it'll clog up the thread and we need to consolidate right about now. @ Hapa Aren't you saying the opposite of what the log suggests? In the log he says "I guess I should post less" and you tell him to post more anyway. Yet he hasn't. "My scumreads aren't important." On November 15 2012 10:09 Clarity_nl wrote: Okay, well first off unvote Blazing because that's not happening. Read Hapa's cases, debears responses and cases on hopeless. Read marv's case on zbo. Your choices currently are: debears, hopeless, zbo On November 15 2012 10:18 Clarity_nl wrote: Blazing, get your vote somewhere useful. Z-Boson, get your vote somewhere. On November 15 2012 10:46 Clarity_nl wrote: Starting to feel that way. I'm having a hard time explaining why though. On November 15 2012 10:55 Clarity_nl wrote: We're not killing debears. We're killing either zbo or you, so you better vote zbo. Unless you're superawesometown who sacrifices himself for the sake of town. I'd buy that. On November 15 2012 10:59 Clarity_nl wrote: Well, at least we'll have lots of information to look over when this shitstorm is over. Lots of summarizing the current events without doing anything useful. Re-read his filter leading up to the lynch. He keeps redirecting people to vote the latest bandwagon, fueling the chaos. When its finally Hapa, he's finally had enough of the last-minute shenanigans On November 15 2012 10:57 Clarity_nl wrote: No, this is terrible. 3 minutes before lynch and a hapa wagon has started. No one has made a good case on him all day. On November 15 2012 11:14 Clarity_nl wrote: Is it bad of me that I still feel that was fucking dumb as shit? On November 15 2012 11:15 Clarity_nl wrote: Blazinghand, before I forget, in the last hour of night I'd like you to post your night action. Like we'd ever forget about BH and his craaazeee antics. Clarity isn't seen pushing his own reads, just commenting on the fact that they're still there and he's considering the consolidation targets. Other than that, his filter is full of small queries for everyone flitting in and out of the thread You know what is really funny HOPELESS DIDN'T FEEL THAT WAY WHEN I MENTIONED THE WHOLE HAPA DIDN'T MAKE ANY META ON ME. HOPELESS THOUGHT I WAS SCUM AND DIDN'T CHANGE HIS VOTE. HE NEVER STATED THIS AT THE TIME. HE'S LYING AND MAKING SHIT UP right? | ||
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On November 16 2012 10:36 DarthPunk wrote: Not offended at all it is true. But you are not clearly town so stop putting that Idea into peoples heads right now. Also. Blazing hand would be fucking insane to fake claim JK day 1 as scum or as fucking SK. he is JK. So Marv as much as you would like to believe he is scum he is not and you are going to have to deal with that and use your 'assets' elsewhere. DP haven't u been saying BH is scum all day? | ||
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On November 15 2012 11:41 DarthPunk wrote: I guess you wouldn't want confirmed townies would you BH? On November 16 2012 06:28 DarthPunk wrote: I think we should lynch Blazing hand today though. | ||
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On November 16 2012 10:28 Hopeless1der wrote: Hapa has since flipped scum. Of course you were right. I was wrong. I WAS WRONG. I WAS WRONG, THAT DOESN'T MAKE ME SCUM YOU'RE ACCUSING HIM OF NOT THINKING ANYTHING OF IT AT THE TIME WHEN YOU DIDN'T. CONTRADICTION MUCH? | ||
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marvellosity - he's all systems go unless it's lylo. Then take a strong look at him Blazinghand - I believe the jk claim (He could be SK but unlikely at this point imo) Clarity_nl - he's so cute iamperfection - strongest town read. We are on the same page since halfway thru d1 Kickstart - like his posting Z-BosoN - him vs hapa. Two scum almost lynched d1? Nah debears - :D. Beat bowser's ass i did Possible scum/sk/be careful DarthPunk - he's way off his town meta thrawn2112 - he's way off his town meta strongandbig - trolling too much for my liking Crossfire99 - lol? doens't care who got lynched. sure, had irl excuse but hasn't shown up all night Scum Hopeless1der - His clarity case is bullshit. He has given scum reads on me (d1) and clarity (n1). That's it. Dude doesn't care about town. Also, his interactions with hapa are super strange. Hapa betrayed his scumhunting rules and targeted me over hopeless. Ain't that weird? | ||
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On November 16 2012 10:51 marvellosity wrote: wow, that DP saying BH is scum and saying he can only be JK is really bugging me now. Yep marv. And he accused like 5 ppl this night of being scum, including me | ||
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I think it's scumshit | ||
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"Oh his breadcrumbs make sense now" That's cool | ||
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MB <3 <3<3 gg marv <3 I'll close this out baby | ||
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YOU'RE IN BABY <3<3<3 | ||
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On November 16 2012 11:02 Hopeless1der wrote: I could be...but its hella unlikely. He's confirmed town imo. Let scum deal with him. We are not lynching hopeless <3 | ||
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He's either SK or confirmed town (very likely confirmed town imo). Either one is a great threat to the mafia. Why would we lynch him right now? | ||
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On November 16 2012 11:04 Djodref wrote: I was following the game quite closely and I would have liked to lynch Cross or BH today. I'm quite sure Hope is not SK because it would have been totally dumb for a SK to kill such a scummy player when town is already at a good advantage. ^^^^that | ||
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On November 16 2012 11:10 Djodref wrote: Ok guys I have a meeting right now so I'm not going to be able to participate too much but I find BH claim to be role blocked extremely convenient. Given all his trolly play during D1 and his ill-timed claim, I'm up for a BH lynch today ! I suspect Cross post and vote against BH to be WIFOM or an easy attempt to distance himself from his partner because a BH lynch was not happening D1 for sure. ##Vote Blazinghand Convenient? If he is JK, which mafia should have believed the whole time if he is town, would have to rb him... | ||
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Now going to bed <3 town | ||
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We are only 8 pages behind acme lolololoollolool | ||
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Debears 2 Zbo 2 Hopeless 10 pts for shooting the scum | ||
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On November 16 2012 12:41 iamperfection wrote: Why dont you give a super good reason why he is scum? Besides marv said too. I will wait until he gets back because i feel like it and i just dont want to blindly listen to marv. Still want to hear from thrawn as he is out of his other game now he dosen't really have an excuse anymore. Dont really get what marv was saying in that he seems beaten down or bored in a town way this game. Ps guys marv can be wrong dont just check out see you guys in the morning. Iamp, we arent checking out. Snb didn't even show up for n1 discussion. He has done literally nothing for town Also, he voted for zbo | ||
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On November 16 2012 13:30 DarthPunk wrote: we are not lynching blazing hand in the foreseeable future. DP I'll reconsider your points about hapa trying to derail Z-Bo's lynch tomorrow | ||
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Why the fuck would the mafia lynch the godfather and their best player on day 1 with a last minute voteswing when they could easily stay on z-bo? | ||
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Thrawn (Djo) Z-Bo (Can't vote himself as scum or gives away hapa) Clarity SnB Who has been least helpful while active? I'd say thrawn or Snb. Since thrawn got replaced, I'm willing to give you time to show you are town. Clarity I found town for d1. I still have to look at him again. SnB has done absolutely nothing for town | ||
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On November 16 2012 16:15 Djodref wrote: The thing is it was really safe for a csum BH to switch to Hapa with 8 votes against Z-bo at 5 minutes before lynch. Do you remember BH asked for FOS's to see who would switch? There were like 4 of us who said yes. And everyone else was like "yeah we'll vote him" | ||
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What has SnB done for town? Nothing What has BH done? Helped lynch the godfather It'd be a stupid gambit for scum. Town cred is worthless d1 for a scum bus. THINK ABOUT IT | ||
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On November 16 2012 16:17 Blazinghand wrote: Another reason to cut Djo some slack is that thrawn might have been unhelpful while active, but he DID end up getting replaced-- so we shouldn't hold that against Djo. Generally replacements should get a day of breathing room. Yeah that's why I'm not gonna bother with looking at thrawn/djo for d2 lynch | ||
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On November 16 2012 16:20 Blazinghand wrote: Another note, it'd probably be an infinitely better strat to do in reverse: Hapa, the godfather, who checks as town, should lynch me and bathe in glory (and he looked better than me at the time) and if anyone checks him, he comes back town. I'm just not buying it. I'm me, of course, but like it sounds utterly implausible that I'm scum and me and Hapa talked and he was like "yeah man i think it's a good idea for you to lynch me" exactly. Also, notice how Hapa was there at last second? Why? Cuz scum probably thought they had the lynch in the bag with 8 votes on Z-Bo. Who else wasn't there? Thrawn and SnB *I think Clarity was there in the mayhem* | ||
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On November 16 2012 18:09 Djodref wrote: I don't think it is as unlikely as it seems. I have good arguments to support this but I'm phone posting from my car so I'm not in the best position to explain them in details but here are a few hints. First things first, BH play is not town-like. Could we at least agree on this one ? Secondly, when you look at C9++, from which the setup of our game is derived from, the roles of the mafia team are given after that the roles for the town are decided. So the mafia team have more info than us about the roles. My point is that for a goon, goon, GF scumteam, it is not so risky for a troll goon to claim JK, as it is less likely to have a real JK. Thirdly, voting against Hapa could have been a soft bus vote rather than a real bus vote because a Hapa lynch was unlikely to happen. Nobody could have foresaw it, especially with the Kickstart switch coming from nowhere. Does the type of roles on one side affect the roles on the other side in this setup type? Or are they independent of each other? | ||
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On November 16 2012 18:17 Djodref wrote: It pisses me off that you don't want to consider a BH lynch given his prestation for all D1/N1. I understand that it is not likely for him to be scum given the circumstances but I think that he has taken advantge of it to auto proclaim himself ”confirmed town” when his play shows the opposite. I don't like this at all and I'm not dropping this case until people start to realize that he is likely to be a goon after all. It's still early D2 so I'll get some time to consider other players so please don't try to shush by stating that a BH lynch is not going to happen. Are you sure you aren't scum? | ||
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On November 16 2012 19:18 Djodref wrote: But would yOu agree thatwe have to lynch him sooner or later? Would he be a good lynch for d3 or d4 ? Wow are you setting up for future lynches? Holy shit we can catch the last scum and end it today, unless you are the SK trying get rid of the jk | ||
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On November 16 2012 23:09 iamperfection wrote: They do wish marv was still here hes good at that stuff ill see what i can dig up. Yeah inexperience is a bitch. @Clarity You forgot to add the part where SnB goes around screaming "kenpachi rule" for most of d1. And the fact that he hasn't shown up for night or today | ||
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On November 16 2012 23:19 Clarity_nl wrote: Does that mean you're going to expand upon my case or make a case on me? Idk yet. Here's the dilemma: SnB has done absolutely nothing for town. He isn't actively discussing with us. You have. But you both voted for Z-Bo :/ and you were pretty outspoken about it (understandly so if you were town, but scum could very easily do the same thing to try to save their partner in a last minute voteswing. Thus, your comments about the swing seem null to me by themselves. I have to look closely at you to see if they fit your d1. Oh, you were also there for the lynch^^^much more townie points than SnB and his "30 minute Dota game" | ||
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On November 16 2012 23:21 iamperfection wrote: im not gonna try to setup speculate i cant do it. Bh i delegate this job to you if you so desire. I mean we could just go with mass blue claim and see how many more show up. That could probably tell us something. But, then we out the blues lol. | ||
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On November 16 2012 23:26 Clarity_nl wrote: marv voted for zbo too, and I agree with djo that thinking everyone who was on hapa is town is wrong. Especially the early voters, they might just be trying to get townie points, it was extremely unlikely that hapa was gonna get lynched. You are missing a very very obvious point WHY WOULD SCUM LYNCH THEIR GODFATHER AND BEST PLAYER DAY 1 ON A STUPID LAST MINUTE VOTESWING WHEN THEY COULD HAVE EASILY LYNCHED ZBO TO SAVE HAPA????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? | ||
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On November 16 2012 23:30 Clarity_nl wrote: Like I said. Scum could have jumped on hapa, not expecting anyone to follow. For the same reason I said the last ones to jump on are most likely town. You don't have to use all caps to get your point across. No. They would just jump back on zbo. In a last minute voteswing to a player d1, it is understandable to switch your vote off the swinger scum could have done that and saved hapa without too much suspicion. Town cred means jack shit late game if you lynch your best player, godfather, and thread presence leader. Crossfire had no thread presence. Do you really think the mafia do that d1. If you do, you are being am idiot | ||
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On November 16 2012 23:42 Clarity_nl wrote: So what you're saying is. Hapahauli (6): Z-BosoN, Blazinghand, debears, iamperfection, Kickstart, DarthPunk All of these people are confirmed town? Let me help you out Town: Me Iamp Kickstart Dp Zbo 2 scum voted zbo. He's town. Iamp has been townie since halfway thru d1 and one the same page as me Kickstart is cute Dp hammered hapa So that leaves bh, you, djo, and snb Not voting for hapa much scummier than voting for hapa | ||
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Scum voting for hapa: Wanted to bus their active, best player and godfather for town cred d1 on a last minute voteswing Wanted to bus said player over zbo, who had 8 votes on him on a last minute voteswing Wanted to depend on crossfire and himself to carry the team. Lol *remember how hapa said he was afk? Why would scum do that if hapa wasnt in the thread and couldnt talk himself out of being lynched? So dumb* Scum voting not hapa: Easy lynch on Zbo Save the godfather and best mafia player By that logic, I now find djo town. Scum thrawn wouldve voted zbo to save hapa *the voting was close. Scum risks almost nothing by switching off hapa* | ||
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On November 17 2012 00:03 Clarity_nl wrote: So why the 180 on me? Kickstart is cute? I remember you saying that about me in the last hour of night. Because of process of elimination makes you a top target. You and snb are my top targets. Djo I find you town | ||
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On November 17 2012 00:13 Clarity_nl wrote: The two people that were lynch candidates at the very end were Hapa and Zbo. Hapa and crossfire voted zbo. Conclusion, zbo is town?!? Zbo had 8 votes on him with 5 minutes left. 2 of those votes were scum. Yeah theyd surely bus him d1 | ||
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On November 17 2012 00:27 Djodref wrote: @ debears Even if I agree with your conclusion, your logic is wrong because thrawn was not around the lynch deadline. You cannot guess (and me neither) what he could have done in reaction to the sudden Hapa wagon. Were you sure that Hapa was going to get lynched when you switched your vote on him ? Who would be sure? All I knew is that 3/4 others said they were down to switch right away and we all did immediately. | ||
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On November 17 2012 00:27 Djodref wrote: @ debears Even if I agree with your conclusion, your logic is wrong because thrawn was not around the lynch deadline. You cannot guess (and me neither) what he could have done in reaction to the sudden Hapa wagon. Were you sure that Hapa was going to get lynched when you switched your vote on him ? Djo, if thrawn was scum, and hapa was gonna get lynched, I don't see any reason for him not to be there to switch his vote. However, yes if thrawn was just not around as scum that is plausible. I find it unlikely but plausible | ||
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On November 17 2012 01:15 Djodref wrote: Thrawn was around, my bad. I didn't see his post in all the spamming stuff Anyway, I have a good reason for any scum to not save Hapa at this time. Imagine you are scum, one of your teammate is under a lot of pressure (something like a last minute bandwagon against him at the end of D1), do you want to jump into the flames to save him and be the first one to be lynched when town finally flips him (because town eventually will if your partner escaped a lynch in extremis) or do you want to stab him in the back ? I know you are the kind of "jumping into the flames" scum (Dandel Ion hard defense in NMM XIXX, I remember ) but you know that it was bad play... That was way different. That was not d1. Dandel was not our most important member <<<< I was. Also, Dandel and CC had an association case going. It was a risk I took and we won Here, it was d1. Hapa was most likely the best player on the scum team. He had thread presence. He was their godfather. It makes no sense to not defend him against a last minute swing if you are scum when it's that close | ||
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Btw guys. I'm 90% certain SnB will flip scum. This is all for a "break in case of emergency" glass case in case he isn't SnB must be lynched today based on his play so far | ||
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Considering you did tell me twice about the iamp timing thing, there is some hope that you are town Let's see where this goes. @SnB 1) You're "scum wouldn't do that' defense is WIFOM. You know this shit. Why even bring it up? Scum can do anything. You know better than that as town 2) You haven't given any thoughts other than BH for scumreads 3) "You didn't want to be serious day 1" - Then why did you join the fucking game? You make this game so much harder for those of us who try if you are actually town. That's dogshit and you know it. Give the spot to someone who wants it next time (if you are town) Honestly, those 3 points make me want to autolynch you. You're playing the sympathy "boo hoo I didn't want to try" card You're either horseshit town or scum. Now, if you are town, show me by making reads damnit | ||
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On November 17 2012 09:31 Blazinghand wrote: My claim was necessary. I played bad and was forced to claim, but the claim itself, given the circumstances, was the right call. You were not forced to claim. That's a lie | ||
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On November 17 2012 09:36 Blazinghand wrote: If I didn't feel I was forced to claim, then why did I claim? That's a good question. I can't answer that. But you were not forced to claim so fucking early d1. You fucking know that. You basically nullify your whole use d1 with that shit ##Vote BH | ||
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Your claim d1 and play makes no sense from either fucking perspective. SnB's play makes no sense from either perspective | ||
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On November 17 2012 09:39 Blazinghand wrote: I claimed halfway through D1, that's not "so fucking early" that's "just right" and you (should) know that. JK CLAIM HALFWAY THROUGH DAY 1?????? Wow. wow. wow. Alright I'm down to lynch BH guys | ||
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On November 17 2012 09:40 Blazinghand wrote: I'm confused. Are you being sarcastic? No. You were not under real threat halfway through day 1 and you claimed. That's so dumb as a jk. So fucking dumb | ||
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On November 17 2012 09:42 Blazinghand wrote: Wait, did you not already know the timing and nature of my roleclaim? What? ._. I know the timing of your fucking claim. I knew it made no sense from either perspective. I didn't want to lynch an uncontested jk claim d1 - that's fucking retarded. But honestly, you keep saying it was necessary instead of manning the fuck up and saying your play was just horrible. Your claim was not forced. You were not under real threat. 3 votes midway through d1 =/= real threat | ||
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On November 17 2012 09:46 Blazinghand wrote: Still waiting for an explanation on this, debears. Have you not been reading the thread? You are being outrageous right now BH | ||
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On November 17 2012 09:48 Blazinghand wrote: I made the right call, and I stand by it. And if you think my defense of my claim is somehow scummy, you need to explain how "not manning up" is scummy. I'm 100% serious, I want your thought process on this, in detail. You made the right call by making yourself fucking useless the whole game if you are jk? We can't confirm you in any way shape or form. If it gets to LYLO and you're alive we're fucked if you are jk. This is so dumb. And it's not necessarily scummy. It's not necessarily townie. But idk why you feel like you need to vindicate the play of your claim if you are jk. Ugh. ##Unvote I hate you right now BH | ||
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On November 17 2012 09:52 Blazinghand wrote: I'm sorry. I respect that you thought it out and unvoted me even though you would viscerally LIKE to lynch me. Marv was the same-- he put his brain ahead of his gut. Alright. I am not coming back to the thread tonight. I'm gonna look over day 1 cuz right now this is pointless arguing with you | ||
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On November 17 2012 10:02 DarthPunk wrote: Debears. Please respond to the only constructive posting in the thread so far. I.E. NOT the JK claim or Blazinghand. DP, if you're referring to the we can't use Z-Bo's vote as a town tell I agree. It is plausible he was also scum and hapa tried to save him Seriously, going to look at d1 now | ||
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On November 13 2012 09:10 Hapahauli wrote: Oh, and as always, I endorse lynching the shit outta lurkers. Discuss. Lol i can't believe we didn't catch this d1................ | ||
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1) a jk/scum rb 2) a vig 3) a gf | ||
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On November 17 2012 10:16 iamperfection wrote: he has to say it he says it almost every game But he didn't even take a whiff of the lurkers lol besides lightly pushing kickstart i think | ||
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BH, I do agree with the meta thing. When I played Z-Bo and we were both town, he tunneled me to death d1 | ||
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##vote zbo 1) zbo a lot of us have noticed your meta is different. And it isn't your amount of posting that's it. Its how you have not pursued your scumreads. You tunneled me to death when I played with you. You haven't done shit this game 2) you're a liability heading into lylo. With your difference in meta and the miller claim, there will always be that doubt in the back of our heads 3) you chose to make a case on thrawn/djo. Its curteousy to allow replacements time to get in the game, especially when 2 scum are already gone. Also, you're reasoning is bullshit. Replacing out of a game cuz one of your scum partners being killed would result in penalties. Its unsportsmanlike. 4) early d1, you had your suspicions on me. Yet, when I pointed out snbs claim, you jumped on him while continueing to be suspicious of me and lecture me 5) after your vote on snb, hapa attacked dp for voting snb and ignored your vote on snb, although you voted first Can't post more right now our internet is down in our dorms. Yay 3g on phone | ||
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I'm feeling him as jk after our last exchange. He keeps saying how his claim was good despite how fucking pissed off people get at him for it. He's been drawing attention to himseld the whole game. He has taken the spotlight and nothing he has donr is necessarily scummy | ||
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On November 18 2012 01:40 Z-BosoN wrote: 1) Yes I have. I've pursued BH to the point he had to claim. I participated with my reads. I was there around lynch line. This is stupid confirmation bias, I've succesfully told town to lynch two scum. 2)This makes no sense. The cop is not going to have a check every single last person on mylo. Find scum instead of looking for liabilites: 3) Courteous? Unsportsmanlike? Shut the fuck up. Find scum, not be a gentleman. My case against him does not resume itself to that. 4) Those were pressure votes in the early stages of the game. You must really really be trying hard to find accusations on me to justify your vote to bring that up 5) Not sure what this means. Must be the same with number 4. On thrawn, have you noticed that thrawn was there at lynch time and didn't vote for you when hapa was in danger? I don't see scum just letting their godfather go down that easily on a last minute voteswing. 1) ill look into this when I gey my internet back 2) what does a cop have anything to do with this? Thisb is about your meta, your play, amd yhe doubt that the miller claim brings with both of those. We can afford to look at scummy people who will be liabilities at lylo right now. Fo we want to end the game? Yeah. Is it an easy win with how some have played this game? No 3) lol don't tell me to shut up. You know I'm right on this. Now you're getting offensive for no reason 4) cool. When you put suspicion on a person who is suspicious to someone you are suspicious of, it doesnt make sense 5) its an association. I havent gotten around to finishing associations cuz of the internet | ||
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2) bh claimed because he's an idiot or scum. You're trying to take credit for it? Lol 3) wifomwfiomwifom 4) wifomwifomwifom 5) exactly. If you were town trying to survive, why wouldnt you vote for someone you realistically would believe would be lynched? If you were scum, you couldve thougjt it would help clear hapa if yoi got lynched with your vote on him | ||
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Oh and how would you know at that point that bh is living til day 3?????? | ||
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On November 18 2012 02:04 Z-BosoN wrote: 2) You are calling me a liability because the cop can't check me. Confirm this if that is what you meant. If it is, then that argument is stupid, as there will necessarily be unchecked people should we get to lylo, i.e liabilities. That means that on the day before lylo, you should lynch whoever doesn't have a cop check. That's all just too dumb. You lynch people because they have scum motivation and scum mentality, not because they are "liabilities". 3) Well what do you expect? You just shat the entirety of my case saying it's dumb because of ONE aspect of what I said. You didn't deal with the rest of it. You didn't comment SHIT. That's just bad play. Also, He has 48 hours to play and contribute. I'm also interested in his reactions. You are not right here, no need for snark comments. Sportsmanship and courtesy DURING the game is not what mafia is about. If my case on thrawn was 100% irrefutable, you would definitely kill djodref, logically. Courtesy isn't a part of this. No one becomes townier and unlynchable just because they come in as a replacement. 4) English? You are using old and bad arguments. That's about it. 5) yea, so you just casually decided to ad this here. People are getting confident and getting lazy. REAAAAAD!!!!! Just keep lecturing everyone. Thatll help you if you are town 2) my argument has nothing to do with a fucking cop. I never brought it up in ny argument. Its about how you claim miller, and then barely anyonr thinks you are town. That's the problem. If yoi were miller, I'd expect you to bust your balls to prove yoir innocence from the very start. You didn't do that d1 obviously since almost everyone thinks you are scummy. 3) we arent lynching djo today. Thrawns play is not necessarily scummy. He replaced out, which means he did have valid irl issues. You can't use replacing out as a fucking scum tell. You're grasping at straws 4) cool. Attack my english whrn ur not even reading, since you don't care to. 5) yeah I did add it because its related. Do you find it scummy that I did? | ||
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On November 18 2012 02:11 Z-BosoN wrote: Debears, stop posting until you are able to read everything and comment. It's pissing me off how lazy, unhelpful, and useless your points are being. Seriously. The second part of the post deals with the WIFOM. 1) Not completely null. I'd have to risk a counterclaim. The game already has a godfather, so it's likely that there is both a miller and a cop. If I was scum and saw that we had a godfather, I wouldn't risk fake claiming not in a million fucking years. 2) Showing how I'm actually trying. 3) 4) 5) You are not this dumb. I wasn't town trying to survive WITH 5 MINUTES ON THE LYNCH AND 8 VOTES ON ME. I was giving my death reads. How is the fact that I was 100% expecting to die still in question? Jesus... even DP's WIFOM bomb theory makes more sense than this shit. Seriously, stop posting until you actually have a computer. This is almost kush-level posting.. YOU JUST SAID YOU DIDN'T THINK YOU WERE GETTING LYNCHED. WHY WERE YOU GIVING DEATH READs? | ||
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On November 15 2012 11:00 Hapahauli wrote: Last minute lynch is totes going to work well. Let's ignore Z-Boson freggin telling peopel to LISTEN TO ME and call me scum. Such fucking shit On November 15 2012 11:12 Hapahauli wrote: GG yo =D Just found this in the thread. Notice that both comments are after lynch deadline is over. Hapa knows he is lynched at this point. Why does he bring up Z-Bo out of all people? There was BH and me on him the whole time. But he brings up Z-Bo out of all people. Why does his demeanor change so quickly from pissed at Z-Bo to "gg yo"? Hapa's remark on Z-Bo feels forced reading this @Iamp On November 15 2012 10:55 iamperfection wrote: would be some poetic justice too to kill him with a last minute wagon. LOL | ||
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On November 18 2012 03:12 Z-BosoN wrote: BlazingHand, I don't know if you are scum, but you seem the only one on my wagon to actually trying to legitimately pin me as scum, trying to tackle my posts. I can't defend myself against debears and DP, they are too blind to reason and are clearly not reading. DP I have a 99.99% town read on so w.e on him. What do you think of debears? What about djodref? Let me know what you think of my latest posts concerning WIFOM bombs as well. Need to find a soul to whom I can adequately defend myself too. Hopeless is not taking the game seriously anymore, debears went full retard, and DP is quietly sleeping (when you wake up, let me know your explanation for my proof that my pre-night post was not WIFOM). Also, I agree with clarity. Town just got waaaaaaaay more inactive. We're doing great, but let's not get ahead of ourselves. Kickstart, Hopeless and iamp, need you guys here.. I always go full retard. So do uou find me scummy or not? | ||
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On November 18 2012 06:41 Hopeless1der wrote: I did read it. You should have been expecting to be lynched at the time of that post. You were the leader for the 10-15 minutes leading up to the lynch, right up until Hapa got bombed. Arguing that you didn't expect it is like saying BH's claim was a great idea. Committing to a day2 bus of Hapa? Why is that a bad thing as scum? One of you walks away with massive town-cred, and there's no guarantee that either of you would prevail. In addition, Hapa hard defended your meta-shift claim. Bussing a teammate is a legitimate strategy. You 'gave away' the second scumbuddy during the night, after he failed to produce anything useful. You didn't give away shit. If you are trying to imply that Hapa was #1 and BH was #2, then fuck you harder. If you are saying you gave up Cross, which kind of makes sense, I counter with Cross gave himself up. You just acknowledged it and bought into the cred earned by flipping him as a goon. Hey guys, something we need to consider is that hapa would have been expected to be nked n2 anyways (considering how good he is at town). Remember this. So a scum setting up a day 2 bus on Hapa is imo the most likely scenario | ||
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On November 18 2012 07:15 Z-BosoN wrote: Joining the halfwit confirmation bias club, hopeless? When I wrote that post, I thought DP had many more votes. I remember this because I fucking wrote "in the godly situation that I get lynched". Of course, you can choose not to believe me. AT LEAST you have to realize that the votes were tied, as what you quoted just suggested. DP, not hapa. Duh. Z-Bo, you are insulting what, 3 people now? Only one of us could possibly be scum, and chances are none of us 3 are. This is not how a town player about to get mislynched would act in a scenario with 8 fucking town and 1 scum left (there are 8 of us left right?). The odds of being mislynched in an 8:1 ratio is significantly higher. You would realize this as town and calm down by being helpful and reanalyzing the thread instead of calling people stupid. Calling people idiots doesn't help you at all as town. | ||
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On November 18 2012 08:30 Z-BosoN wrote: It makes me feel better though, especially when people are clearly clearly not giving a shit about the game and not making any sense. Everything I've said everyone is always making up a scum interpretation and using that as an argument, instead of simply looking at the simple and obvious explanation. The amount of misinformation and ignorance on what I've been saying is too damn high. The only one who actually attempted to get me lynched in a decent manner was BH. The lot of you are just throwing pebbles. Pisses me the hell off. I don't care about being lynched, but at least deal with what I've been saying and what I've been throwing in your faces all game long. Jesus. BECAUSE THERE ARE 8 TOWN AND ONE FUCKING SCUM/SK LEFT FFS. FIGURE IT OUT. IT'S FUCKING HARD DAMNIT TO FIND THE LAST SCUM | ||
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I really need someone to give me the following setup odss: Vig, JK, Miller, GF, Goon, scum RB Vig, JK, GF, Goon, scum RB Vig, JK, Cop, Miller, GF, Goon, scum RB Vig, JK, Cop, GF, Goon, scum RB | ||
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On November 14 2012 01:03 Z-BosoN wrote: It seems to me people are thinking too much of my posts, expecting some sort of brilliant day one cases. Disagreeing with my logic does not make me scum. That should pretty much handle the vast chunk of shit I got the last few pages. There are, however, some things I'd like to point out during these last events, though: First thing to note is how uncharacteristically bad BH's case is against me. He's basically saying I'm bullshitting with every post I make. While I agree my posts are not the bestest they can be, I'm not sure why that implies I'm scum. He says this one thing in particular though: Note two things. 1) He's saying I'm setting up to look good as a wagon starter. This is balls-to-the wall dumb. How am I a wagon starter just for having the first vote? Also, as he himself noted, I did not write a full essay regarding why I think SnB is scum. I voted for him for implying that he is town, and that's basically it. If I wanted to become a "wagon starter", that's obviously the exact opposite of what I should do, I would make a much more elaborate case. Ironically, I could say the same about BH and his case on me, and with much more validity, as he actually goes deep in his case on me, and seems somehow certain of my alignment, something which he leaves very clear later on: Now, I'm not scum, so in my pov he is pretty much full of shit with this remark. There's a difference between bad logic, the thing he is calling me on bullshitting, and actual bullshitting, which is what this "wagon starting" remark actually is. 2) He's saying my filter is short, and it's clear I'm not helping. Again, completely ironic and hypocritical. He has only three completely useless posts up until this one: The second paragraph is completely fluffy, he's not actually saying anything. That being said, I would like everyone to pay attention to the bolded on the third paragraph. He heavily, heavily thrashes me for being weak on my vote on SnB. Let's ignore all the others, especially DP (who voted TWICE on SnB, without saying anything). Let's focus on what he says here on iamp - and this is important. He says that iamp is throwing his vote around to pressure people, and that's all A-ok. Now pause and think here. I'll quote what he said about that on me for clarity: and Now contrast that to what he said about iamp's voting. On iamp, he is completely casual regarding his voting. On his case on me, however, he's aggressive and incisive , as you can clearly tell from the quotes I posted above. Why does this make him scummy? Because it shows clear signs of fabrication, as one can easily infer from the quotes above. His views on "casual voting" are in complete contrast. One more thing, that I ignored earlier. If he feels so strongly about me voting SnB without giving any reasoning or thoughts, why isn't he going after DP, who's actually done that not once, but TWICE?? Townie Motivation: none. Scum motivation: he feels threatened that I have claimed miller and people are not showing signs of doubt on my claim.+ Show Spoiler + tl;dr 1) Blazinghand's case on me is uncharacteristically bad. It's also not consistent with his townie play on Liquid City. Look at his progression on Shiaopi, who was incidentally also making uncharacteristically bad cases as well. 2) Blazinghand is being supremely inconsistent, contradictory and hypocritical of what he defines as scum-motivated and what not, showing signs of someone who is merely fabricating cases, as detailed above. I tried to be as clear as possible here, because I don't want people to feel like this is just OMGUS. My votes on SnB and debears were more pressure votes, as if that wasn't pretty much clear. This one on blazinghand, is not. I think he's the best lynch so far, as everything I've stated seem to point on him being scum. ##Unvote ##Vote Blazinghand Remember what I said about Hapa not pressuring you earlier when you and DP both voted for SnB??? ##Vote Z-Bo | ||
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On November 18 2012 08:42 Z-BosoN wrote: See? Another flaw in reading and logic. Nothing I said in that post is a critique of how easy it is to find the last scum. People are clearly not giving a crap today, just compare it with yesterday. The difficulty of finding scum is not a testament or a hindrance to that. My newbie game in XXIV was cop/jk/vig vs framer/rb/goon. A miller less than here, and a godfather instead of a framer. I'd say... likely? Anyways, now that you are here, willing to talk, and have unvoted me, who would you be most willing to lynch if not for me? SnB | ||
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Remember how you said look for peoples interactions with Hapa? The post I made a couple of posts ago is a clear indicator of ignoring Hapa by Z-Bo and pushing BH only for doing the same thing | ||
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On November 18 2012 08:53 Z-BosoN wrote: My focus was on BH. God you make bad points. So, why is BH scummy for that and not Hapa when you made that post?? | ||
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On November 18 2012 08:55 Z-BosoN wrote: What same thing? Not voting DP? Want me to go after everyone who didn't vote DP? I didn't go for Hapa d1 because I didn't think I'd get him lynched, said this already. But wait, nonono. Now you are saying that I didn't want to kill Hapa day one. Then you say I wanted to straight out bus him later on. Choose one or the other dude. I've been showing hostility on hapa for the longest of time. Get your story straight. You can't just say, these guys both did the same thing, but only this one guy is scummy. In fact, you can't say that and completely fail to mention to other one who did it, especially when the other one that was ignored is indeed scum as we now know | ||
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On November 18 2012 09:02 strongandbig wrote: this is wrong keirathi said he didn't modify the probabilities he only did one-for-one substitutions of some roles so we can calculate the odds of shit SnB do you know the odds of the stuff I requested? | ||
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Are there dates on Dota2 replays in that exact spot? Can someone confirm this? | ||
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Ill talk to you after the game us over I swares ill catch the last scum bro | ||
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On November 18 2012 15:25 Djodref wrote: @ Clarity I think that Hope is Vig even if we obtain the proof that there is a SK with a mass claim. Are you familiar with the C9++ setup ? If not, I recommend to have a careful look at this page. It's quite interesting and I think this is something you have to know if you want to be a better player and/or if you want to host a game sometime. Anyway, here is the most interesting part regarding the setup, given our current situation. To sum up, the scum roles are a function of the number of "T" letters you obtain when you pick 7 letters in between the following letter probability set. T = 1/2 D = 1/10 (in our game, the "D" letter gives us JK roles) V = 1/10 (one-shot Vigs only) M = 1/10 (mason and miller roles) B = 1/20 (town RB roles) C = 3/20 (you need two "C" letters to have one fully operational Cop in the game) Please note that one of the letters in our rolled set for this game is M and that one other is V (Hopeless). Let's take a look at the different possibilities for the scum roles. Scum Roles a 7 "T" letter set is impossible because we have at least one "M" impossible because we would already have won the game TTTTT = Goon + Godfather, Serial Killer This setup is possible only if one of BH or Hopeless is lying and is the remaining SK. I think we can safely discard this possibility unless we are at lylo with BH or with Hopeless. Moreover, there are only 2 mafia in this setup and no more blues on top of Hopeless and BH, even if one of them is lying. MVTTTTT or MDTTTTT if you want. impossible setup because of Bowser flip impossible setup because of Bowser flip TT = Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather I think that this is the setup we are in (and it is the most likely probability-wise, something like 40%). It leaves the room for 2 or 3 more blues on top of Hopeless, information that we can be confirm with a mass-claim. T = Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather, Serial Killer (Investigation Immune OR 1-Shot Bulletproof) This setup has roughly a 15% probability to happen. It can also be confirmed with a mass claim but it would leave us in a dangerous position with all the blues revealed for the SK and the remaining scum. But we would know for sure that there is a SK and start looking for him seriously. Anyway, it is less likely to happen. 0 Ts = Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather This setup has only a 5% probability to happen. We would have enough blue to outright solve the game. Is there anything stil unclear ? The more I think about it, the more I think that mass claiming at the end of the night is our best move but I need everyone participation. I beg you to seriously consider it. Djo, we'll figure out whether there is a sk after tonight anyways lol. So that part I don't agree with. But, if it could make sense of BH's claim, it should be considered. | ||
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On November 18 2012 17:59 Djodref wrote: @ debears I disagree, it could be a good strategy for a possible SK to retain his night kills until we manage to find the last scum. What does make you think that a possible SK would kill tonight ? 1) Assuming that the SK isn't hopeless, he could put doubt on hopeless' claim. 2) it's what, 8/7 town to 1 scum/sk or 1 scum and sk 3) The longer the game goes on, the harder it is to conceal a guilty conscience/push your agenda as sk/mafia | ||
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On November 18 2012 18:02 Djodref wrote: By the way debears, I had questions for you that you didn't answer. I would appreciate you to find them back in my filter and to give me your answers. Thanks ! Meh. But i don't wanna! | ||
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I just see one @debears on pg 4 with ur whole setup spec deal Quote them plz its 3 am here | ||
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On November 18 2012 18:21 Blazinghand wrote: i'm currently hanging out in drojef's filter and I can't find the questions either >:| Lol right? I looked over them like 4 times with search function haha. Anyways BH, I have found Clarity's posting pre and post lynch a little weird. Do you get the same vibe? | ||
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What was your whole point on the SnB screenshot and alt tab and all that? | ||
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On November 18 2012 18:40 Djodref wrote: @ debears Shit, I have just missed you. Anyway, it was a long time ago but I still want have some details about what happened in your head during the exchange between S&B and BH at D2. Especially I want to know why you posted this. For two vets, they have both ridiculously underperformed. They have been obnoxious. I was getting tired of it. And hell, chances are one of them is scum (more likely SnB imo) | ||
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On November 18 2012 18:50 Djodref wrote: @ debears 1)That's actually a good point. I don't think that hopeless could be SK even with another kill because he killed Crossfire and that would have been against a SK interest. But I've just realized that there was no way for a SK Hopeless to know for sure that Cross was scum when he decided to kill. By the way, would you yourself doubt Hopeless claim if we have 2 kills again tonight ? I remember that Hopeless was on your radar during D1. 2)That's also a good point. But it depends on the strategy you would choose as a SK. I don't know about it... 3)I disagree with this one because a possible SK would not know who the last scum is better than us. He would have no other thing to do than to scumhunt hard while not killing anyone and hope to survive until lylo. You don't have any guilty conscience if you didn't kill anyone, right ? 1) I would strongly look at Hopeless if another kill showed up. However, in my thought process, it would be fucking retarded for a SK to claim vig n1. Think about it. He would paint a target on his back for the mafia by being a confirmed town 2 and 3) Djo, it's a proven fact that, the longer the game goes on, the worse it is for the anti-town alignments. It gets so much harder to hide | ||
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On November 18 2012 18:51 Clarity_nl wrote: I've explained my thoughts on last minute shennanigans. I did this when marv tried to jump on cross too, which is not much of a defense I guess since he flipped scum too. I'm town. That's my defense. I never aggressively defended hapa or cross, I was against emotionally lynching someone. Read debears' case on hapa, it WAS omgus. Clarity, you know me full well after last game that I omgus when I find someones shitty reasoning for attacking me. It made you and sylver scum reads to me d1 last game. And guess what? I was right | ||
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On November 19 2012 00:51 Clarity_nl wrote: debears did you believe zbo was scummier than snb? They were pretty damn close. Z-Bo was way off his meta. He didn't metion the purposeful change until later in d1, instead of in the pregame. He really hadn't done anything so far to make me think he was town. SnB has been picking his spots to be here. He didn't care about showing up on lynch day. Leaves when the pressure is on him Also, he was a liability heading into lylo. Now that we know he was a miller, we have gained some more setup information. We won't have to worry about people doubting his claim. I pretty much want to autolynch SnB today | ||
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On November 19 2012 01:36 Djodref wrote: @ debears 1) I agree with you on this one. Would you say that your D1 history with Hopeless is over then ? 2) and 3) You got me convinced that the SK is going to kill tonight and maybe have double-stacked his kill on marv yesterday, if he exists of course. On a side note, you said that you wanted to auto-lynch S&B tomorrow but I'm not sure if you mentioned other scum reads lately. What do you think about BH post on Clarity ? As I said, I've found clarity's posting weird lately, especially with his certainty on what z-Bo was going to flip. There was a reason z-Bo was up for lynch, there's only 1 scum/sk most likely. How was clarity so sure he was town? Why didn't he hard defend him more if he thought z-Bo was town? That, and yes, Clarity's interactions with Hapa are weird. Djo I've been getting townie vibes from u lately, so I'm thinking it's down to SnB and Clarity right now, with SnB in the lead | ||
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On November 19 2012 02:06 Clarity_nl wrote: Okay Djo, I just wanted to make sure, thanks. @ debears And all of that led to..... "Zbo you are a liability and more likely scum than snb" ?????? I don't understand. Read points 1thru 5 ffs. It's right there in your quote | ||
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On November 19 2012 02:40 Djodref wrote: @ debears I'm a little sad that you switched from S&B and BH to S&B and Clarity. Could you tell me what changed your mind ? Are you dropping BH for real or just for the moment ? I've been thinking about BH lately and I think that we can get him setup-wise at the end if he is a bad guy. I mean, SK or scum, he would have to go at LYLO and his fake claim could be proved because the rightful blues would have been revealed at this point (dead or claimed blues). What do you think ? BH is starting to make cents. And his jk claim so early man....idk He's by not means town but I'm not willing to lynch him today | ||
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On November 19 2012 02:44 Clarity_nl wrote: In fact, I even pointed out that you calling zbo town because he had both cross and hapa on him was dumb, and you responded like this: Did you see how hapa soft defended him at the end when he switched to me?? | ||
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I looked back over Z-bos fliter and I came tothe conclusion I did | ||
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On November 19 2012 04:44 Clarity_nl wrote: Ehhh, there's a day difference isn't there? Just noticed that... TT I was gonna say. Don't worry I did the same thing with iamp day 1 lol | ||
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On November 19 2012 04:47 Clarity_nl wrote: Okay, makes more sense now. Your arguments are still stuff you had access to when you called him town, but I understand better now. Here's my full thought process with Z-Bo 1) He was scummy. Way off his meta. Withheld that he was changing his meta pre and early game 2) He claimed miller. If he flips town, we get setup info 3) He claimed miller with the drastic change in meta. He was a liability going into lylo with the amount of doubt surrounding him It was a safe play for us imo. I was as torn then as I am now as to who is scum | ||
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On November 19 2012 04:58 Clarity_nl wrote: I think if you had given zbo another day he would've shined through as town. SnB on the other hand, is no where to be found, and when he is he's making small posts again. If we pressure him he'll suddenly post giant posts again though. Yeah. That's why I said I want to autolynch him. You are number 2 on my list. DP is number 3 right now. Then kickstart/djo | ||
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On November 19 2012 05:00 Clarity_nl wrote: 9 people and you're lynching people to make sure they're not around at lylo =/ I wanted to lynch someone we can't confirm that will be doubted at lylo. It makes a huge difference | ||
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Reverse psychology | ||
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On November 19 2012 09:46 Blazinghand wrote: though really i'm just gonna hold off on the serious discussion for like 15 minutes. you guys are gonna love who i'm JKing tonight, it's brilliant. But is it magically delicious? | ||
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Djodref (Replaced thrawn2112) - watch out for him Blazinghand - im believing his claim for now strongandbig - lynch him DarthPunk - somethings I haven't liek about his activity today, but i feel he's town for now Clarity_nl - lynch second for now Hopeless1der - confirmed town imo iamperfection - town Kickstart - town Z-BosoN debears | ||
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way late on this popcorn lol | ||
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Late to the party as usual Nj dp. Way to be the hero mushroom king needed, and not the one it deserved | ||
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B means my bad....jeez you internet lingo non savy individuals | ||
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On November 23 2012 08:49 Hopeless1der wrote: Debears I thought the fire ball was a breadcrumb as well now that you mention it Winner winner chicken dinner That, and when I said Yahoo! And when I high fived BH - I high five people who are the same alignment....not that I can use it anymore as a breadcrumb | ||
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1) It makes you get nked early as town 2) It makes you look scummy day 1 no matter what, but you will never be lynched unless you just completely mess up 3) It allows you as scum to be active with thread presence while still being considered scummy The only downside, as to what Hapa and Marv experience, is that you don't make it past d2/d3 as scum :D But maybe you can bullshit your way out of it | ||
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On November 24 2012 02:49 marvellosity wrote: i don't really agree with any of this especially as most of my scum games i've been alive to take the win at lylo you get nked early if you're strong and constructive, not because you post a lot Well yeah the constructive part is a given :D Not saying posting a bunch of spam will get you nked Although it is possible... | ||
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