EPTyeah i mean i aint switching with like 60 seconds left and a case like that that is "crazy"
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Blazinghand
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yeah i mean i aint switching with like 60 seconds left and a case like that that is "crazy" | ||
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Look, here's how we're handling an N2 roleclaim: Hopeless and I have already claimed. If you are a VT, do not claim. If you are a blue, it is up to you whether you want to claim or not, and when to do so. If you claim tonight, you should probably do so during the final hour. If you are a VT, after the blue has claimed, you can claim. If you do so before hand you are being a dick and outing our blues, who might not have results yet, for no reason. You dick. Q: "But blazinghand, I drodref, and a jubjub and want to make the blue's decisions for him, shoudln't we just have veryone claim regardless of what the blue thinks?" A: NO. Blue makes this decision. If it's a cop with 2 results on dead people or something he should not claim UNLESS HE FEELS LIKE IT. This might mean he wants to claim at the start of D3 rather than the end of N2 when he knows what his result is. The mass-claim shoudl be in the hands of the blue role, not in the hands of VTs Q: "But Blazinghand, I think you're scum and I, a VT, want to claim to force the blue to claim!" A: NO. The Blue is the only one who has the information neccessary to decide whether or not he claims. a VT mass-claim FORCES the blue to do something he doesn't want to do. Let the blue decide. | ||
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Blazinghand
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The only person who is allowed to claim is the blue, and after the blue claims, everyone else claims. We are not allowed to make this decision for him and the fact that anyone would take djoref even remotely seriously is bad. Nobody should even say "the blue should claim" cause this helps scum guide their shots if the blue doesn't claim. Seriously. This issue is closed. | ||
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On November 18 2012 15:57 Clarity_nl wrote: Did you end up reading my filter like you said you would? What do you think? Nah dude I just got back and saw this mass claim bullshit, had to put a stop to it first. | ||
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Blazinghand
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On November 18 2012 16:01 Clarity_nl wrote: Is your only argument when it comes to djo's claim stuff that it should be a blue's decision? Basically yes. Claims as a rule should be determined by those claiming, but by VTs. a DT with no good checks, for example, shoudln't be outed for no reason. On November 18 2012 16:01 Djodref wrote: @ Blazinghand I hate to admit it but you have a point here. The decision is in the hands of the blue players. But I disagree with the fact that I should not try to convince them to claim because I think it would give us enough information to solve the game. I want to influence their decision and I don't see what is wring with that. If you were another blue in this game, what would you think of my plan ? If I were another blue in this game I'd base my decision on my check results etc rather than your plan. And if I was something like a Veteran I wouldn't be claiming. The thing is, anyone who argues strongly in favor of a mass-claim, then DOESN'T claim a blue role in the final hour of the night, has implicitly claimed VT-- this helps scum narrow their target list for N3 in terms of sniping a blue. So I guess my answer is that my claiming or not claiming, if I were an unclaimed blue, would be independent of your plan. Really though I think we should drop it other than to say: Blue, if you want to claim, feel free to do so at your leisure. Once one blue has claimed then yeah sure let's have the rest of us claim and see if we end up with 4 blues total instead of 3 (in which case scum is probably among the 4 blues). As it stands, though, this claim decision belongs in the hands of the last blue, not in the hands of us. | ||
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Blazinghand
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On November 18 2012 16:05 Blazinghand wrote: Basically yes. Claims as a rule should be determined by those claiming, NOT by VTs. a DT with no good checks, for example, shoudln't be outed for no reason. EBWOP | ||
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Blazinghand
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You may think I'm scum, but surely you don't think it's a 100% chance. And by the way you're playing, I, and many people who do in fact not think I'm scum, can't get a townread on you. What do you want me to do, man? I'm not one to push people to acknowledge they could be wrong, but even when I am pushing a guy close to lynch time, I tell him to give out some final reads in case he flips town. I account for the possibility of being wrong. I guess I'll put this plainly: If you don't make cases on anyone else and if continue as you are now, I'm lynching you tomorrow. End of story, you're out of the game. | ||
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On November 18 2012 16:14 Djodref wrote: @ The Blues Please consider all my posts I've made to show how much a mass claim strategy would help us. I think you have now enough arguments at your disposition so you take your decision. I'll drop this subject now unless someone asks me directly a setup-related question. @the VTs if you claim before the last blue does you a dick | ||
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Blazinghand
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On November 18 2012 16:14 Clarity_nl wrote: I confirm Djo's tunneling meta. Although he could be doing it as scum, but it is not a scum tell for him to be stubborn to the point where you start to disbelieve him. Hm, okay. If this is what he does as town, perhaps it's not valid to lynch him for it. I still demand he give other reads though. | ||
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On November 18 2012 16:16 Blazinghand wrote: Hm, okay. If this is what he does as town, perhaps it's not valid to lynch him for it. I still demand he give other reads though. Or rather, that he develop them and push cases other than me. IF he views me as his top scumread that's fine but he's avoiding any sort of accountability this way. | ||
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Blazinghand
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Look, there's one Blue left in this game. He alone knows his role and his results if he's an investigative role. Nobody here has the qualifications to determine if he should claim or not except himself. VTs claiming could force him out, and even worse, if everyone's like "yeah the blue should claim tonight" except for one guy, and the blue doesn't claim tonight, it will be alarmingly obvious to scum who the last blue is. This is simple policy-like stuff. VTs don't claim VT. the fact that this is even brought up outside of a newbie game (where people don't know this thing) or a themed game (where the setup might mean a mass-claim is necessary) is appalling. | ||
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