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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
November 12 2012 01:16 GMT
#10
/in
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Blazinghand *
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United States25558 Posts
November 12 2012 06:27 GMT
#50
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Blazinghand *
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United States25558 Posts
November 12 2012 10:07 GMT
#64
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
November 12 2012 11:31 GMT
#69
My only hope this game is to roll Luigi and shoot Marv N1, only to find out he's Yoshi come morning, and scum shot the guy he saved, so my shot was the only shot, then I claim it and town lynches me and there's no blues left but town wins anyways via pure scumhunting!
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
November 12 2012 12:23 GMT
#74
On November 12 2012 21:19 DarthPunk wrote:
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On November 12 2012 20:31 Blazinghand wrote:
My only hope this game is to roll Luigi and shoot Marv N1, only to find out he's Yoshi come morning, and scum shot the guy he saved, so my shot was the only shot, then I claim it and town lynches me and there's no blues left but town wins anyways via pure scumhunting!


I would love to play in a pure Goon/VT setup one day. I dislike blue roles in general. You are discouraged from being active early and in fact want to look a little scummy so that scum keep you around.

I dunno. I just think it would be fun to figure stuff out with nothing but discussion.


As a blue I play just like a VT, and the blue stuff is just icing. It'd be such a give-away for scum if I were quiet in a game lol

The thing you're describing is "mountainous" setup and if you want I could host one one day. I find blue roles and the setup in general tend to add to the discussion, rather than take away from it. You'd probably just be best off avoiding [T] games and sticking to [N][M] games or [N] games.
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Blazinghand *
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United States25558 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-12 12:34:19
November 12 2012 12:33 GMT
#77
Actually aside from Witchcraft Mafia the one game I'd be interested in hosting, or in playing in, would be a remake of Zona's Purgatory Mafia. It had asymmetric multifactional play with unique night actions and day actions. Hidden information, lots of ways for all factions to win, and of course great flavor.

I might even consider it the best Mafia game I've played in. I died early in Aperture so yeah, definitely this is the game of Mafia i've enjoyed best
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Blazinghand *
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Last Edited: 2012-11-12 12:49:31
November 12 2012 12:49 GMT
#79
On November 12 2012 21:47 drazak wrote:
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On November 12 2012 21:28 DarthPunk wrote:
On November 12 2012 21:23 Blazinghand wrote:
On November 12 2012 21:19 DarthPunk wrote:
On November 12 2012 20:31 Blazinghand wrote:
My only hope this game is to roll Luigi and shoot Marv N1, only to find out he's Yoshi come morning, and scum shot the guy he saved, so my shot was the only shot, then I claim it and town lynches me and there's no blues left but town wins anyways via pure scumhunting!


I would love to play in a pure Goon/VT setup one day. I dislike blue roles in general. You are discouraged from being active early and in fact want to look a little scummy so that scum keep you around.

I dunno. I just think it would be fun to figure stuff out with nothing but discussion.


As a blue I play just like a VT, and the blue stuff is just icing. It'd be such a give-away for scum if I were quiet in a game lol

The thing you're describing is "mountainous" setup and if you want I could host one one day. I find blue roles and the setup in general tend to add to the discussion, rather than take away from it. You'd probably just be best off avoiding [T] games and sticking to [N][M] games or [N] games.


Don't host a game just for me lol. But thanks for the advice with themed games. I was actually wary of joining TLVIII because of the weird set-up and that was part of the reason I /outed.

I just love playing VT I guess even though I've only had 2 VT games. ^_^


From talking to BH about setups and stuff ad infinitum on irc, I think he just likes hosting different setups and seeing what happens. TBH I kind of cohosted this one so I can host a mafia online like how we do irl, no flips, only roles are medic and dt, town kp is town/12 rounded up, mafia kp is mafia/2 and all mafia are goons.


I don't think I'd ever be comfortable playing in a no flip game. I'm sure it could be balanced, but I enjoy flips a great deal-- it is fun to be vindicated, or to find out how horribly wrong you were.

Especially mid game when you have to keep on playing
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
November 13 2012 00:57 GMT
#205
Z-Boson's claim isn't a tell of any sort. Just keep an eye on him like you would anyone else and don't burn DT checks on him. Easy.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
November 13 2012 00:58 GMT
#207
And it sure as hell isn't a town tell so don't get all up your britches about that either.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
November 13 2012 01:25 GMT
#239
lol
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Blazinghand *
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November 13 2012 06:38 GMT
#364
On November 13 2012 11:52 DarthPunk wrote:
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On November 13 2012 11:47 Kickstart wrote:
On November 13 2012 11:44 DarthPunk wrote:
On November 13 2012 11:42 marvellosity wrote:
On November 13 2012 11:40 DarthPunk wrote:
On November 13 2012 11:37 iamperfection wrote:
Whats everybody think of bh he is like a very good player when he is town from what i saw and here he really hasent done anything despite being here tell me what you guys think.


Give him a chance. He is one of those guys I would 100% never lynch day one because the benefits of him being town vastly out weigh the risks of him being scum.

From what I have heard around the grapevine however he is fairly easy to read as scum so we should be fine to take a look at him later on in the game.


you kidding? I'd lynch him day 1 in a heartbeat if I thought he was scum.


Well. That is fine. But I am not going to lynch him day one when he is a very good town player and the only case against him so far is that he is lurking.


The night (or day in terms of our game i guess!) is young, I wouldn't call anyone a lurker just yet. But I agree with marv that people who give off scum vibes should get the vote and find it odd that you are basically stating that you wouldn't vote for him no matter what ;o.


Yep. I would not. I would not vote day one for Hapa or marv either. Unless there was something super obvious I would not vote for them. But I do not think that would happen because they are all good players and that is why I respect them I suppose.



Honestly I think it's bad to tie yourself down with ideas like that. If someone's playing scummy, they're playing scummy. My scum play isn't amazing, but due to my extreme sex appeal and enormous intelligence and penis, I can assure you that it's improved a great deal. Mostly it's due to my large penis-- it is quite a monstrosity. It works as a pad, even.

Back on topic, don't feel like you can't vote or push people because of possible contributions. This kind of play is lazy and puts preconceived notions of what certain players are worth ahead of behavioral analysis. Someone voting for me because they legitimately think I'm scum and they have the cojones to do it is infinitely more helpful to town than someone not voting me because I'm a sexy baller.

That being said, iamperfection's vote is pretty typical iamperfection throwing his vote around trying to pressure people but not doing it effectively. He needs to realize that you should vote people when you want to lynch them, or else you won't be taken seriously.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
November 13 2012 06:39 GMT
#365
Z-BosoN should be aware it's on him as a non-DT-checkable player to distinguish himself as town, and what he's posted so far is all bullshit. ZB wanted a wagon to hop on with minimal discussion, so he puked some posts out into the thread and slapped down some poop vote. He voted debears, but unvoted him basically immediately. His reason for voting debears is also crap since debears doesn't see a need to worry about ZB right away.

ZB says this:
On November 13 2012 10:04 Z-BosoN wrote:
For someone who is analytical enough to attempt to judge marv's early game reactions, he's sure not being analytical about my claim. This smells scummy to me.


and that's basically wrong. The fact that debears essentially ignores ZB's claim (which is the right move-- it's clearly a null tell) is COMPLETELY normal. And look at this sentence from ZB-- it's a meta case about debears comparing meta from PREVIOUSLY IN THE THREAD. That's not meta. That's bullshitting.

Z-B iquickly moves over to another shitcase before peacing out of the thread:

On November 13 2012 10:13 Z-BosoN wrote:
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On November 13 2012 10:02 strongandbig wrote:
also fuck you zboson i wanted to fakeclaim miller as vt since then people couldn't say "oh he's fakeclaiming miller must mean he's scum" when i fakeclaim miller as scum

but now if i did that people would be like "two millers what are the odds" and then probably lynch you so no good on that one


Glad I beat you to it.
Interesting way to claim VT though. Actually I find that suspicious as fuck.

##Unvote
##Vote strongandbig

Debears, I hope your posting improves throughout this game. Also, what do you mean by "that argument again?".


S&B's "accidental" "vt claim" (both of those are in question) could be suspicious. But Z-B doesn't explain why. He doesn't set up a scum motive. He just slaps down a vote and bails. This is a chance to look like a townie wagon-started without doing analysis or writing the kind of long posts that could reveal his own scum motives. When Hapa rightly calls him on it:

On November 13 2012 10:14 Z-BosoN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2012 10:09 Hapahauli wrote:
On November 13 2012 10:07 debears wrote:
On November 13 2012 10:02 strongandbig wrote:
also fuck you zboson i wanted to fakeclaim miller as vt since then people couldn't say "oh he's fakeclaiming miller must mean he's scum" when i fakeclaim miller as scum

but now if i did that people would be like "two millers what are the odds" and then probably lynch you so no good on that one


^^^^^^claim


The VT claim is significant why exactly?


Scum just love implying they are town.


First off, a crap explanation. Everyone wants to appear as town cause getting lynched hurts your side no matter whether you're town or scum. A more correct explanation would talk about how VTs wouldn't claim VT because it narrows down potential blue snipes, and how he believes S&B was serious and not joking in that post. A town player would lay out his own thought process right away so that others understand what he's thinking. He'd respond to s&B and push the wagon, not just slap down a vote and a bad explanation.

ZB is setting up to look good as a wagon starter (since scum don't like to stick their necks out) and appear to contribute to town, but if you read his astonishingly short filter, it's clear he's not actually helping. He's flinging shit at the wall and hoping it sticks.

Let's splatter this guy.

##vote: Z-Boson
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
November 13 2012 06:39 GMT
#366
Well fuck I got double ninjaed
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
November 13 2012 06:39 GMT
#367
But yeah anyone voting S&B right now is scum or bad
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
November 13 2012 06:46 GMT
#368
thrawn is basically correct
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
November 13 2012 06:54 GMT
#371
Kickstart it's interesting to hear what you have to say about the S&B wagon being bad, but it's more important to hear what you think in terms of who you think the scum is. Be forceful. Check out my masterful post attacking ZB for an example of what you should do. Just calling people town or making weak questionings of Hapa wont' help. If you think Hapa is scum, go prove it. be a man. do the right thing.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
November 13 2012 06:58 GMT
#374
he = BH or he = ZB
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
November 13 2012 07:22 GMT
#377
Even if he believes that, the fact that he didn't articulate it in his vote post, and hasn't made any real attempts to convince other people to vote with him or even write an extensive case is still damning. I'll keep that in mind, though.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
November 13 2012 07:43 GMT
#379
sorry you must be hard of hearing

your vote on S&B right now is bad
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
November 13 2012 07:48 GMT
#381
well, it was bad before because S&B's scum play isn't like this. He's a bit more aggressive and not afraid to stake out positions. But now it's infinitely worse cause you cowered away and said it was just pressure. Be a man and vote for someone you want to actually lynch. How can anyone hold people accountable for votes that are "just pressure?"

Read and comment on my ZB case. It's not worthless like your crap vote on S&B: I actually want to lynch ZB, and ZB is actually scum. be useful and vote to lynch someone, not to "pressure" them. Or if you're gonna pressure someone, at least don't tell him you're doing it.

._.
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