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It was a long read but not much much happening apart from the usual talks about policy lynch and try to dig scum/town tells where there could be no discussion at all (ie : Rad's joke). For my first post I would like to FoS Djodref. One thing that did flash while reading his filter are those two posts : On November 03 2012 12:06 Djodref wrote: @ Cheese I was re-reading the thread and I really didn't like this "it's a scumtell" joke. I'm not against jokes but scumtells are quite serious business. I've got my eyes on you. On November 03 2012 12:35 Djodref wrote: @ Cheese Your joke didn't pose any problem for me the first time (same for everyone I suppose) but I found it weird the second time I past through it. I have no problems with jokes and I'm making some myself. They are a null tell in general. But joking about scum tells is not really acceptable in my opinion and I've explained the possible mafia motivations I've seen behind it. Djodref used this same tactics two games ago when trying to blend in as scum. Really innocently tells us he is re-reading the thread while actually not doing it (at least in his last scum game he did not and kept putting similar posts to these two here). There is no real reason for town to emphasize on that fact. While for mafia this is important. They do not need to scumhunt so the need of re-reading and re-reading the thread is not needed.. #FoS Djodref | ||
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However Djodref is the only one both saying he is against it and in the same post stating name of potential lurkers so he can actually put focus on them. On November 03 2012 10:43 Djodref wrote: @ Rad The only potential lurkers that we have in this game are daoud and maybe Obzy (but it doesn't look like it). My problem with your policy is that it is directed towards these players in this game. What we have to be wary of is active lurking (refer to the mafiaQT in the previous game) and people blending in. Do you see anyone else possibly lurking ? On November 03 2012 11:04 Djodref wrote: @ Rad That's my problem with a lurker policy this game, I think that it can be used only against daoud or Obzy (maybe sylverfire). I think it would be much better to call directly these players for lurking rather agreeing on a policy which could be a perfect excuse for the mafia to push a mislynch on them, assuming that they are town. It's a small game and if you have a problem with the activity level of anyone, you can call them on it, no need for a policy. | ||
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On November 03 2012 14:05 debears wrote: ##Vote Dau0d Just so you lurkers know I'm serious @Debears You are being an active player, maybe too active and all over all arguments same as last game for me to get a read out of it. I will consider this more as a neutral townie-ish read but at least even if you were not town you do contribute and it will be easier to catch you later on. What I don't like about your post is to create noise in the voting thread. You are creating some activity by voting, unvoting, revoting, etc. I don't like that. You could have just FoSed me, and I would have agreed with you on that. I would have explained as well that the timezone differences do not help, but I will do my best to participate as much as I can. I will not post just for the sake of posting or fluffing though... | ||
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On November 03 2012 22:01 Djodref wrote: Definition of casting suspicion: suggest that something or someone might be suspect I had to look up in the dictionary to be sure ^^ This coupled to the fact that his reasons to vote debears are insufficient in my eyes (you vote someone for some facts, not because he is fluffy without showing where he is fluffy) made sylverfire my top scumread right now. I see your point Djodref but I don't think because someone else votes another one for being a "poor" contirbutor and sees that as a scum read would make himself scum. He is trying to put pressure on Debears in order to get him to maybe post less and better content. | ||
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I am not defending him, i am saying that there is more scumtell in the way you interpret it than in the his argument against Debears itself. | ||
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On November 03 2012 23:21 Djodref wrote: I'm not sure to understand exactly what you mean... Are you saying that I purposely misinterpret what sylver has said and done to attack him ? Could you clarify where you think I am wrong ? Yes. Explanation of where I think you are wrong is in the previous post : the same one you said i am defending Slyfire and he can use it as a rope to start his own defense. What is the point of your question if you already replied to its own answer ? | ||
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On November 03 2012 23:59 debears wrote: @Djo What do you think of my points on Sylver? your case against Sylver is way more constructed than Djo's initial scumslip read. I agree on most point apart maybe for the last point in red which might be over exagerated interpretation. Dont you think Debears ? | ||
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On November 03 2012 23:54 Djodref wrote: @ daoud Ok, so you are not defending sylver but attacking me for misinterpreting the thread. Could you please tell me exactly where I misinterpreted the thread ? Show me it in a quote so I can be more precise. I did not say you misinterpreted the thread, I just said you did take too fast conclusions in my opinion. I like more the case against Sylver by Debears than yours. | ||
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On November 04 2012 02:27 Clarity_nl wrote: I'd just like to point out that da0ud dissapeared off the face of the earth, and I'm not happy about this at all. I am just waking up and I still have 8 pages to read and I don't like that post. Look at the timestamp on my timezone and see why I am not active while you guys at the opposite side of earth are all awake and posting 10 messages a minute. Be sure I would love to be awake at the same time as you guys. | ||
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On November 04 2012 06:21 debears wrote: @CC It could be. I find his earlier actions scummier than his wording though. Anyways, ##Unvote ##Vote Dau0d Dude is most definitely the most inactive player right now Still a few more pages to go. Nice one for someone picking on Sylver for addressing a case against you and vote pressuring you when you are not here to defend yourself. Good timing and you dont wait only a few minutes, you wait for 6am to be sure I am not here. You are contradicting a point you made against Sylver. ##Vote Debears I have not finished reading the thread so I might unvote and revote and re-unvote again like you to add more fluff in my filter or the entire game. | ||
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On November 04 2012 12:31 Djodref wrote: @ daoud The timestamps are all converted in local time for the users. Anyway, TL displays the time in South Korea (KST) in his banner so they can use it if they want to know what time it is in Hong Kong. My guess is KST minus 1 hour, am I right ? Yes, right time is in KST. So you were right. 1.30am. But it doesnt change much on the weak accusations. | ||
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I actually take your vote on me as a reminder to answer your concern on me being vague. (I don't take it as a contradictory fluffly vote like Debears). Let me answer to your post : On November 04 2012 00:58 Clarity_nl wrote: That wasn't his point though, and why do you assume (or know) that sylver's motivations are to put pressure on debears? I was indeed assuming, if it wasn't his main point, at least it was how I perceived it. Sylver had other points against Debears like the case with Rad but I still believe he was putting pressure on Debears for posting too much and too less content. The result is actually getting Debears to post maybe 20 times afterwards within 45 mintutes to get a percentage on how much fluff there is in his filter. Like we care the exact number. | ||
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On November 04 2012 00:58 Clarity_nl wrote: You say you explained in your previous post but you didn't. You are accusing Djodref of accusing someone against his better judgement... Please be more specific with what you disagree with in his posts. These are the two posts where I explain where I think his judgment against Sylver is wrong (to me). On November 03 2012 22:06 da0ud wrote: I see your point Djodref but I don't think because someone else votes another one for being a "poor" contirbutor and sees that as a scum read would make himself scum. On November 03 2012 23:13 da0ud wrote: @Djodref : I am not defending him, i am saying that there is more scumtell in the way you interpret it than in the his argument against Debears itself. Where I think Djo was wrong is when he targets Sylver as scum because he votes someone that to him don't do good to town by posting a lot of irrelevant content. This doesn't help identify the good pieces of information in the thread as they are mixed with other posts. What I missed at the time was the accusation from Djo on the : I'm casting suspicion with my vote. Djodref is the same one who said to stop nit picking in his posts while this seems like pure nit picking to me. Yes a BIG FoS on Debears would have been appropriate and not a vote, but Debears has already voted and unvoted two or three times so why not ? | ||
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On November 04 2012 13:19 debears wrote: @Dau0d Nice. We can have some fun now  What input do you have on the my cases on Sylver and Rad? What input do you have on other cases? Who are your top scumreads and lynch candidates right now? Also, will you be here for lynch? If not, what is the closest time before lynch you will be here? @ Debears, I will finish replying to clarity's post and address this afterwards. In how many hours is the lynch time from the time you will post your answer ? I just want to calculate if this will be feasible for me to be arround. | ||
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On November 04 2012 00:58 Clarity_nl wrote: I think I understand what you mean by this, but you're going to have to clarify. Stop being so vague! My interpretation of what you mean: "Just because sylver said the townies are dedicated doesn't mean he knows who the townies are, he just meant people in general during the daycycle" I'm not sure I agree with you... but you could still be more clear! I could have been more clear indeed. I said Djo's points where less valid the Debears (the scum read cause he votes against someone who posts fluff, and the nit picking on interpreting the townies/players situation). Debears case was making more sense : timing of post and conspiracy and structured list of arguments. As of now I think his case is not making any sense either. - Sylver explained why it took time to post and actually posting 6 minutes after Debears said he will be gone is not the perfect timing for a masterplan. - Accusation on the fluff in the thread made Debears go nuts over it. Yes there is content as well but the time it took him to get over it generated even more noise than just some (35% ^^) fluff before. - Last point is a WIFOM. Subjective interpretation of what Sylver said about town (Town as a whole ?) being active. Then including himself as active among others and then turning that as an bullet against Sylver for voting him. All of this comes for the interpretation of the activity on this whole community. | ||
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On November 04 2012 13:42 Djodref wrote: Clarity Have you guys noticed Clarity ? At least we are noticing that you noticed him | ||
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On November 04 2012 13:39 debears wrote: Um I think it's 9 KST. It's 8 PM CST for me. Which is 3:30 hours before now 9 KST is 8 HKT. I start work @ 7.40 so it will be tough for me to be arround. The best I can do is wake up @ 6 instead of 7. However with the pace at which to thread goes I will wake up tomorrow with 10 pages to read and I wont be able to make a constructive vote. I could ninja vote at the last minute but I am not really pro this behaviour. Most likely i will put my vote tonight roughly 9 to 10 hours before lynch and stick to it. On a side note I wont be able to defend myself either if mafia decides to target me during the night as well. This is exactly what happened in the last game. I had announced it before and still got lynched. | ||
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On November 04 2012 00:58 Clarity_nl wrote: Yes, but WHY do you like Debears's case more? Specifics! Please stop being so vague da0ud. You don't have a lot of posts but all of them are basically "I agree with you" or "I don't agree with you" | ||
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On November 04 2012 13:19 debears wrote: @Dau0d Nice. We can have some fun now What input do you have on the my cases on Sylver and Rad? I have already commented on your case against Sylver and i think it does not really stand as proving his is scum. I can see some town paranoia behind it from you but not so much of scum tell on him from your case. Your case on Rad : Not too sure about your first three points (Thread cop mentality, Talking about last game, Excuse for not making reads for 1st half of d1). I am a bit confused and the last point on his excuse seems fair enough. Your last point has more taken the direction of a scum read on you rather than a scum tell on him. It would have been easy for him to give a damn percentage but it would not have brought us anywhere. 30, 40, 45% so what ? Your acharnement on getting the number fills up on more page in your filter. The most interesting point in your case is the 180 change on tone with you. This is a bit odd indeed because it was clear to me you were not trying to put him down and a bit of coaching can always help. | ||
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I definitely agree on two points of your accusation Djo : the blending in part. On November 04 2012 05:02 Clarity_nl wrote: Although caution can be a good thing Rad, you should be careful. If you don't have enough information to make a read make sure to get more information. Reading these two sentences over and over again keep making me laugh. The second point is : On November 04 2012 14:07 Djodref wrote: By the way, you have failed to put pressure on me or Alsn, but we were your scum reads. Not much to add on this one. I would like to be a bit less aggressive on the vote against me. It is suspicious indeed when you, Djodref, told him the reason why I was not present. He still voted for me but I think it is in order to catch my attention to reply to his direct attacks against me. I did reply to him so let see what he has to say before me being over aggressive towards his vote against me. He definitely lies towards the scummy type though. | ||
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On November 04 2012 14:14 Djodref wrote: The deadline is 9am HKT. It is possible for you to catch up wen you arrive at work or are you too busy in the mornings ? Really tough, I am usually really busy from 8am to 11am when most of the markets in asia do open. Afterwards it is calmer. The only way for me to catch up as best as i can is to wake up earlier. But as I said before I am afraid that it will take too long if there is another batch of 10 pages to read. | ||
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On November 04 2012 15:00 sylverfyre wrote: daoud: I find it interesting that da0ud is tunneling Clarity for voting him when he was asleep, but not debears. debears/da0ud interaction: I find it interesting that debears felt the need to vote da0ud when da0ud is already being called out. (And he dropped his vote on me in order to do it) Sorry but I think i have been tunelling more Debears on it than Clarity. If you look back, my vote (at the moment) stands on Debears for that matter | ||
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On November 04 2012 17:32 Clarity_nl wrote: EBWOP Da0ud is my lynch candidate right now though. But I think making a case for him isn't even necessary, he needs to show up and be around to ask questions, rather than address them half-heartedly and disapear again. Sorry to appear half hearted to you but D1 has always appeared very random to me. Most of the cases come from nitpicking or someone contradicting himself. Moreover on the weekends I don't have too much time to write structured cases on other people because real life stuff take over. I count on doing real cases on D2 if I am still alive. The good thing about it is that we will have some real information at that point: interaction with the one lynched D1 and the one NK1. D2 Will take place Tuesday Wednesday, perfect timing at work to write cases when I am bored in the afternoon. | ||
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I have not made a real case on someone yet, this I agree. Earlier I pointed out that Djodref mentioned "re-reading" the thread (sorry for sheeping on this one I had not seen that someone else pointed it out before). This time I want to emphasize the fact that you said "I will ask Hapa" for some piece of advice rather than my coach. This screams scum to me trying to blend in by mentioning the name of the town team's coach. | ||
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On November 04 2012 18:30 Clarity_nl wrote: Da0ud please give us your top reads right now. My scum-ish reads at the moment would be you (clarity), djodref and debears. I am pretty null on CC and Sylver. Pretty town vibe on rad and alsn at the moment. Obzy I have to read his filter. On the top of my head he has not posted so very much and has not been part of major arguments. Ps: sorry if poor formatting or spelling mistakes I am phone posting. | ||
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He has not dug any huge holes in anybody's argumentation but he feels concerned and sincere. Same has with djo I don't really like that he keeps empasizing on the fact that he is rereading the thread or will be at any period in time. So small FoS on you Obsy here. As a conclusion, I will but you somewhere null to town at the moment. | ||
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He is still in my top3 list of who I would consder lynching. Just the argument at the time for voting him because he voted me while I was asleep and not able to defend myself (even though contradictory with his earlier against sylver) is not strong enough. Unvote | ||
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Otherwise I will wake up tomorrow morning at 6am and read the thread and hopefully can vote in accordance to where this discussion goes. But I am not sure this will be doable and I might end up ninja-ing. If one of my top 3 scum-ish reads is set for being lynched that might be easier choice but still... | ||
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Point 3 is not that strong an argument as I have not made cases either and even though I am town as opposed to what you say it is pretty hard for me to make a very decent case right now, that even myself wouldnt be able to contradict. But as opposed to me he said he will make cases, which he has avoided making. Point 4 is a bit light to me, meta is meta and it can evolve. Just look how Djo has played so differently in all his games so far. There is a lot a red to emphasize you case though. Pretty convincing. | ||
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Clarity are you here to defend yourself ? Mr CC, can you add anything on this case ? or do you have any other to support ? | ||
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As you mentioned in your conclusion I will directly be looking for Clarity's response to Djo, Debears accusations and yours now. If he does not properly do it, if i find other scummy tells in his defense I will definitely vote him. One reason I dont case my vote now is that as you mentioned as well, the other two or my trio of scummish reads are suspecting him, Hence there must be something fishy. I am pretty convinced at least one of them is scum though. As a conclusion, i will be looking closely at Debears and Djodref as well in order to make my choice tomorrow morning. | ||
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On November 05 2012 00:21 debears wrote: @Dau0d In the clarity case, the most important part is point 1 and 2. Points 3 and 4 go along with it. Also, on point 4, meta is meta and can change. But does personality change? You gotta remember. Clarity was the one modkilled for sending out a pm eager to discuss reads, yet he hasn't really been discussing reads all game True, I had forgotten he got modkilled last time for PMing on his reads, I was the one getting back his roll as Jailkeeper from VT ^^ | ||
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@ Djo : Are you sill arround or will you only be able to catch-up with the thread tomorrow morning right before lynch ? If things happen during the night in Asia, are you comfortable with keeping your vote on Clarity ? | ||
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Mods, may i have a vote count ? | ||
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I want to vote Debears for again jumping right after Djo on the catching CC's slip and the voting on CC He looks like town giving up now. [b]##Vote Debears[b/] | ||
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I understand this is stupid sh!t you said, but still you can focus on saving yourself for the sake of town. | ||
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On November 05 2012 09:44 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Hey, he could be scum. I sure as hell ain't. Better than getting myself lynched when I know I'm green. Man, I am the only one trying to defend you and you say I might be scum ? You better turn green if you get killed otherwise i put myself in danger too.... Would be pretty dumb of me. I just think we changed our mind too fast from the Clarity, Sylver's tragets... | ||
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On November 05 2012 10:12 Rad wrote: good fight cheese Yeah, I think i fought for him more than himself... | ||
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I will be hard to get a good read out of this situation, was very easy for scum to jump in and vote him IMHO. | ||
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What if we had really tried to push Djodref for the lynch on D1 ? On November 05 2012 07:00 Clarity_nl wrote: @ debears I have the case in hand, I will post it if it looks like I'll be lynched, otherwise I will post it tomorrow. Djo was trying to pressure me into posting my case on him, starts adding that he won't be around for lynchtime, that's fine. I come back, you and him both have cases on me, and turns out Djo is in South Korea(??) so he's not around for 7 hours before lynchtime. He then points out that I just don't want him to put up a defense, says he's going to bed, replies to my post 10 minutes later emphasizing that if I post a case on him it just means I don't want him to be there to defend himself. I feel set up, but nothing I can do. I didn't go from "this" to "that". Notice how I said: "Yes Djo my case was going to be about you" I have not finished reading the thread, but this is exactly the way I feel about Djo's attitude that lynch. -> He asked to be put on the list of lynch candidates to prove his innocence. However this comes at 1.11am his time in Seoul, Korea (for those who still don't know. Btw Djo would be good if you could update your profile to show Korea instead of France, I am french as well though showing HK in my profile, we lost too much time with this confusion). On November 05 2012 01:11 Djodref wrote: I would like sylver to be considered as a lynch candidate for today as well. I have no problem with me being also a candidate (even if I would have preferred to address the possible cases against me not while waking up) because being mislynched last game allowed me to clearly see who was pushing me for bad reasons. I'm confident that you could recognize my innocence this time And why nobody has yet commented on the newest slip from sylver ? This is pretty late for him to ask to be put as a lynch candidate and have time to prepare his defense. He has even used this trick against Clarity, saying he cannot defend himself on a case that is suppose to come. -> Moreover, Djo is the one who keeps quoting scum slips here and there subjectively. + Show Spoiler + On November 03 2012 20:22 Djodref wrote: @ sylverfyre So let me sum up the situation. You join the thread and directly vote for debears mainly because there is a lot of fluff in it. Then you say that you are voting him to "cast suspicion with your vote". I'm sorry but I'm voting somebody when I find them suspicious, not to cast suspicion on him. Do you know who is voting innocent players to cast suspicion on them ? Mafia. (Not sure if debears is innocent in this case, I have seen things I don't really like in his filter) I'm taking this for a scumslip and the most suspicious thing I have seen in this thread so far. ##Vote sylverfire @ Clarity It answers your question On November 04 2012 00:06 Djodref wrote: Well, I have voted for sylver before you for a different scumslip so I definitively agree  Anyway they are good points, the scumslip you have found is better than mine, his vote on you is quite unfounded and he has also totally forgot to mention me jumping on Cheese in his post. I think the chances for him to be scum are great. On November 04 2012 03:30 Djodref wrote: @ Cheese The word "townies" doesn't connote as "players". Kush helped me to understand this in my very first game on these forums. People don't use townies when they can use players. The meaning is different. It is a slip, so now we have to decided if it is a scumslip or not. The way sylver reacted to it makes me thing that it is a scumslip indeed. On November 04 2012 16:55 Djodref wrote: @ sylver So are you saying that debears is a townie ? Slipping again ? I'm not sure what you want to say by "he doesn't exactly look pristine". Could you elaborate ? -> Finally, Djo as jumped on the case against Cheese as soon as he slept.Not budging from his position. I was wrong saying that Debears sheeped on this one. He votes CC first, fair enough, then Djo voted again. Here are three of his consecutive posts : + Show Spoiler + On November 05 2012 09:02 Djodref wrote: @ Cheese So, it's ok for you to get the thread derailed for a joke at one hour before the lynch ? Why did you claim, for real ? On November 05 2012 09:03 Djodref wrote: I still want my Clarity lynch by the way On November 05 2012 09:19 Djodref wrote: WHY DID YOU CLAIM AT THIS MOMENT, CHEESE ? MOTIVATIONS ? ##Unvote ##Vote Cheese What happened to you wanting your "Clarity lynch " ?Conclusion : I think Djo is blending in, attacking people on small things (nitpicking himself while pointing out we should not nitpick in his post), and try to prove his innocence by showing his is able to fight his way against a lynch while bullying people who would actually do it because he won't be here to do so. | ||
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On November 05 2012 15:02 Djodref wrote: I don't like Clarity early reaction to Cheese claim. Among Rad, debears and Clarity, he is the only one to doubt Cheese's claim before Marv post. I think that Clarity is mafia and had the information beforehand (the information that the VT role PM was dispatched to everybody). This is a good, point. Let's look in depth how people reacted to this claim. I took me a long time to actually understand how this was actually so bad a claim (apart from the fact it was not necessary as he was not in danger) because I jumped over a few pages in order to participate to the vote. I did not see the mod post stating that everyone received the spoiler of the VT PM. Now it makes sense to rewind and see how did find it a null claim before Marv jumped in. | ||
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On November 05 2012 08:28 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Go to the OP. Click under Vanilla Townie. Read the end of that vote post. Realize. Can someone explain me what he meant here ? | ||
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On November 05 2012 08:32 Clarity_nl wrote: I can do that too. I don't wanna pay for no porn man. I don't think that saying that proves anything, can't make an assumption based on the host's behavior. Cheese why did you claim VT? Even though Clarity, explained why he said that, I think this post is still very odd. He said that in such a condescending manner, like : "yeah whatever, i can claim as well, it doesn't prove anything, | ||
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On November 05 2012 15:34 Rad wrote: Mr. Cheesecake, being a VT, got a post that explains that he's a Regular Fapper (VT). He noticed that the OP did not have this information in the Vanilla Townie spoiler. He then assumed that no one else but VTs had this information. In order to somehow get all other VTs on the same lines (go VT power I guess), he tried to throw that info out as a sort of town tell that only VTs would pick up. Unfortunately, he didn't realize that every single person in the game got the information that VTs are Regular Fappers. Thanks I got it as well, usually indeed the OP posts shows the real roles, or the day1 post adds a spoiler at the end of it. I think it is pro-scum to have given them the VT role in their PM while not letting the VTs themselves know about this fact.... | ||
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On November 05 2012 15:51 Djodref wrote: It's not that he didn't realize it, it's that he didn't know it. And it is not natural to think that the flavor for the VT role PM has been given to everybody, especially for a newbie like Clarity. This on top of the precedent cases against him. He is most certainly scum ! @ Rad Did you see how he avoided to discuss with me after this post + Show Spoiler + On November 04 2012 17:29 Djodref wrote: Wouldn't you mind to discuss what you have against me right now ? I'm going to have to sleep before the deadline and I don't want to have to defend your case against me while waking up and catching the thread. Plus it's going to be likely that I need to decide my vote at this time so I would prefer to focus on analysis rather than defense at that time. I find it odd that you don't want to go after Cheese as well. He should be looking quite scummy in your eyes right now because he didn't answer your question. Also, if I want to sum up his contribution so far, he is just tunneling me after an OMGUSy FoS on me. If we have a jailer, I would like him to block Clarity. If we have a cop, I would like him to invest someone esle (because of framer). If we have a medic, I wouldn't mind protection for the night. What would blocking Clarity change ? I would imagine blocking him to avoid him killing someone tonight, but there is another scum person so someone would get killed anyway. If there is another reason, please enlighten me. | ||
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I have never been scum in my previous games (and this one doesn't matter cause N1 has just started - so don't take this as a claim, even if i were scum I would probably not know...). Thus, I am wondering if only one of the scum team decides to kill or they all conduct the act together ? If only one kills, it would make some sense indeed to put Clarity in jail. | ||
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On November 05 2012 16:07 Djodref wrote: @ daoud You are right but this kind of reasoning could lead us into a WIFOM hell. In my honest opinion, Clarity is very likely to be scum, so a possible jailkeeper would have good chances to prevent him from killing. Maybe the mafia is going to listen to me as well and use the other member to carry the night kill, maybe they are going to use Clarity anyway, maybe I'm totally wrong and Clarity is town. I don't know and I don't even know if we have a jailkeeper but I would say that it's the best thing for him to do. Anyway, it's down to the jailkeeper decision (if he exists), he could also decide to jail me to give me protection. I wouldn't mind this Why do you think you would need more protection than anyone else ? First the medic, now the jailkeeper ? I feel more concerned about being NKed than you. People are being suspicious about you, which is good for the scum team if you are town. I was the one to scream out loud not to lynch CC this way. I had the trauma in my first game when we all decided to lynch austin at the last moment out of more or less nothing. Mementoss did try to save him and got NKed right after. | ||
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On November 05 2012 16:27 Djodref wrote: @ daoud I'm pretty sure that Clarity is part of the scumteam and I'm obviously going to push for a Clarity lynch tomorrow. If I am right, the mafia team would better do to kill me than letting me alive, even if I'm looking suspicious. Also, publicly requesting medic or jailkeeper is kind of a bluff. I want the mafia team to eat their part of WIFOM ^^ 1) Why so ? Everyone is still putting Clarity as a priority for the lynch tomorrow. Everyone knows you want to put a case on him (and maybe..... someone else - still pending). If you get killed it will be even more obvious to go look after him if he is in the scumteam. 2) Your answer doesnt satisfy me too very much : another time you find a way out to telling you were setting a trap. What about the trap if you say it's a trap..... | ||
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I did like Clarity's defense overnight, he sounded pretty honest to me. He has addressed calmly all the points against him. Just this slip is too much. He could be blue though, but I would not think he would have been that condescending if blue. I still keep Debears somewhere there on top of the list, but he has been consistent in driving town forward. Yet there is a lot of fluff, useless posts ("ugh mispost", etc.). If he is scum we should be able to find some clues with more pieces of information on people's alignment in the near future. I have a gut feeling on Rad. I will try to put a case on him during D2. If i cannot make a proper case with valid arguments against him, I will let you know why I find him to lay more townie then. | ||
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On November 06 2012 07:03 Alsn wrote: Ok, just would like to say that I've been looking over Clarity and Djodref today. I feel like Clarity has a good chance of being town. He tried to break up the fight between debears and Rad over the percentage, he made a case against debears at a time where I thought myself that debears might be scum. I don't get the feeling that he's only trying to stay consistent. If he was worried about that I don't think he would have jumped on Cheese for the claim as hard as he did. Since a scum Clarity would have known that Cheese was town, I'd be much more suspicious of him if he chickened out and voted debears in order to stay consistent. Instead he attacked Cheese pretty hard for claiming, something which was sure to bring him a lot of attention seeing as he would have known how the Cheese lynch would end. I'm however not as sure about Djod. He's definitely acting like I would expect a town Djod to act(acting like Clarity has "lost" the game and should just reveal his partner and stuff like that definitely fits with town Djod from XXVIII. I also don't see why he would ask about scum mechanics(framer mechanics, specifically) out in the open if he was scum. Nor why he would attack Cheese(who a scum Djod would know was town) for joking. All those things considered, I find most of his accusations to be really empty, like he's looking for "excuses" to attack someone, rather than actually considering their motives. He attacks sylver for vote pressuring, something which Cheese pointed out and that I commended him for, but I dismissed it later because I was thinking "nah, that's just Djod!". His case against Clarity then accuses clarity of blending in and not following up on his reads. Yet Clarity actually gave pretty convincing answers for why he hadn't done so. He kept saying he was going to make a case in the latter half of D1, he did. He had also stated that well before Djod made his case against him. The latter half of Djod's case against Clarity is seeing ghosts where there are none. He accuses Clarity of denying making a list but the post Djod quotes says nothing of the sort. I'm suspecting maybe there's some confirmation bias shenanigans going on here, but I can see where Cheese was coming from with regards to how hard it is to read Djod. That being said, if there aren't any other scummy looking people tomorrow, Djod is looking like my vote is best placed for now. I haven't yet looked into sylver very much since the beginning half of D1, but we have two days. I'm thinking I might need to look at Obzy next, or possibly Rad as I don't have much other than that I like their posting so far. And I'd also like it if da0ud answered my question from earlier today. With that, I feel like things need to start rolling again before I know for sure who I want to lynch tomorrow. I'm off to sleep, although I can check in after I finish watching the DS9 episode I'm currently watching if anyone wants to know something. Catching up now. I will reply to your question, even though I actually did post the reasons earlier. Ill summarize it for you. I like your thinking here. I would not excuse Clarity for his role claiming and potential PM to Marv before. But Djo seems still very scum to me. Maybe bussing his partner in crime. | ||
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One first thing that comes to mind since the night kill is Djo's really insisting on pushing for a Clarity lynch. This seems pretty obvious to me as his defense on the role claim is pretty bad. Best example about it is : He says : On November 05 2012 23:26 Clarity_nl wrote: I never claimed VT, I never claimed anything. But right after CC's second role claim he adds : On November 05 2012 08:32 Clarity_nl wrote: I can do that too. I don't wanna pay for no porn man. I don't think that saying that proves anything, can't make an assumption based on the host's behavior. Cheese why did you claim VT? If this is not role claiming ! However I find Rad's position on the subject smarter. He is a clear target, We should stop tunneling him for some time. There is someone else in the scum team (or two other people if Clarity is not). I have not read your filter like I said I would Rad (remember my gut feeling on you), but recently you have looked really town to me, so I am not that concerned Djo, however, I would still like people to look at him closely. Only two things he has been doing is: - tunnel Clarity, hence retaining information to the town, not trying to diversify the targets. - blue hunting as well big time during all N1 and since the beginning of D2. I really believe he could be bussing his mate to gain town credit or just keep the attention on him. | ||
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On November 06 2012 13:35 Djodref wrote: @ Rad First of all, I'm not hunting for blues. I want information to find scum, that is all. Blues are not going to solve the game for us, we have to do it by ourselves. I don't care if I have to out all the blues while scumhunting if the information I get allows me to find the mafia members. I do not appreciate at all the fact that you are retaining information with the excuse that you want to protect the blues. Anyway, if you are afraid for them, please step up and make some cases, force the mafia to kill you by being dangerous for them (if you are town, that is). If you start your day by doing this + Show Spoiler + On November 06 2012 10:07 Rad wrote: FoS Obzy FoS Djo partial FoS Sylver
Secondly, my arguments are not stupid. If we assume that we have a town Clarity having a scum read on scum Djodref. Then, town Clarity is
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On November 06 2012 14:11 Obzy wrote: With regards to Sylverfyre - He said he'd be around for the day post and wasn't, but - that's just more of a note, and has absolutely nothing to do with my voting him. He made noise early in the game about a debears/djo (one of the above) as scum, particularly focusing debears. Looks at a scumteam of CC and debears during the role PM... stuff. Eventually switches his vote onto CC from debears, puts suspicion on Clarity [and db, of course]. It clearly isn't debears. He shows a strong town read on Rad, although I think that's fairly obvious, personally. (And now that I'm refreshing the last page to make sure I'm not missing something, he's shown up and redirects suspicion at Djo because debears flipped town.) I'm really a bit less certain what to think of this lol. If Clarity is town, and da0ud is town, it leaves Djo Sylv.. /shrug. Sylv's not addressing my vote on him at all, still. And apparently he just voted Djo too lol. If Djo/Sylv have a shootout, I'm okay with that at the moment, unless Clarity can be shown [by Rad or Alsn or da0ud, preferably] to have clear mafia signs. @Obzy I have a hard time considering what you say seriously when you keep putting "lol" everywhere. Could you be more assertive ? I feel like you tell your thoughts but don't want to take any real positions. Not very townie behaviour. Push your reads please ! | ||
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So please, you said you will stop with him for some time and you continue. Move on now that you are happy man. Please look at some other people as well. Rad's gonna look at Alsn. I will look at Rad, because I said I would read his filter and I have not yet. ##Vote Clarity | ||
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No major conclusion - but I think you are town. You are actually looking more and more town. The way I see it : You started pretty distant, not too much posting, pretty neutral, staying off arguments (Deb/Rad, Deb fluff percentage). Then you actually went for only one real case D1 : Debears, not massively convincing, and you did decide to drop it yourself when people shifted focus. Backing off, more scummy than townie attitude. You remained consistent in your judgment though : Voted CC for not explained himself and the WIFOM defense, before revising your vote and going for your initial read on Debears. We both know we were targeting the wrong guy as well, but still we avoided sheeping and jumping on CC's slip. Since then you are trying to push for more cases, you put pressure on Djodref, Obzy and try to avoid people to blue hunt. I find this very towny attitude because you want to increase the horizon of lynch and potential association. We being narrow minded on one person only (Clarity - than I find scummy myself) when we have roughly 30 more hours to hunt ! | ||
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On November 06 2012 02:09 Alsn wrote: So, I'd like to start with asking the following questions: @da0ud, you had claimed that you considered Clarity to be your top lynch candidate before going to bed. Yet Clarity switching to Cheesecake over debears made you vote for debears? Why? If you believed Cheese to be innocent, why would you suddenly disregard the fact that your top scum read was trying to push Cheese's lynch? I know that you also considered debears scummy, but what made you choose him? You were the one who was responsible for the debears counter-wagon, why did you pick debears and not Clarity? @Alsn As I said before the end of D1 (when I was going to bed), I wanted to vote someone in my top 3 : in order Clarity > Debears > Djodref. and they were all pushing for a CC lynch.... I said as well I did not want to put my vote yet because Clarity had not started putting his defense on. I wanted to advise based on how good a defense it would be. I did find his defense honorable and stated it (the order is odd : I said first why i want Debears and later why I felt better about Clarity, cause I had to act fast on trying to push a lynch on someone else than CC). On November 05 2012 14:02 da0ud wrote: I feel much better about Clarity after his defense. It looked not so very well organized but pretty sincere. On November 05 2012 09:39 da0ud wrote: I am reluctant to vote on CC. I want to vote Debears for again jumping right after Djo on the catching CC's slip and the voting on CC He looks like town giving up now. [b]##Vote Debears[b/] Debears was second in my scum list, I had seen him voting people right after Djo did druing day1. I found that scummy, a way to hide his intentions by always being second and not a driver in decision making. I thought on the actual lynch that he did sheep-vote again. He, on top of that, voted CC, untoved him, revoted him. Was pretty suspicious looking to me. As a conclusion, I was wrong ok, but I followed my logic. | ||
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On November 06 2012 18:30 Djodref wrote: @ daoud My comments in bold font in your quote. @ Djo You don't exactly answer my accusations First point, the problem was not that you asked for a case against you. But that you asked for a case right before going to bed and blaming Clarity that anyway you won't be able to defend yourself cause he waited too long to post his case. Second point, you are stating one of the scum slips. The biggest one, which i still find subjective. You called for many other scum-tells here and there. Last point, again you are not directly answering my point. I understand that you voted for CC for his silly claim, and at least 4 towns did. What I regret is that you attack CC calmly then reiterates that you want you clarity lynch and out of a sudden without saying, i give up on clarity you irreversibly change horse. | ||
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As far as I know apart from one (nicely formatted ) case on Sylver there is nothing else than extra tunnelling on Clarity. At least find other new arguments against him to bring to the table. Who cares about the time of the PM with Marv. Marv himself said there wont be any copy paste of anything so Clarity will obviously give you an answer that satisfy you. You are flooding the thread here. | ||
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On November 06 2012 19:09 Djodref wrote: @ daoud I think that I'm investing myself more than you in this game so I'm not going to accept your critic for the fact that I did only focus on sylver. I'll answer your case again though... Again not what I said at all : I said since you announced you would stop tunneling clarity you had only one post (a case against sylver) before shifting back to tunnelling clarity. Nothing against your investment in that game. I see you have not slept much indeed. Ps : sorry phone posting | ||
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On November 07 2012 02:30 Alsn wrote: To be fair, if Cheese had the right assumption and that it was actually possible to "confirm" all VT's, it would probably have been pretty good for town. The problem was, what was to stop a non-VT(either blue or scum) from just saying "uuh, I didn't know everyone knew?" after debears asked that question? There was just no way to confirm anyone as anything considering what we now know, so stop it with the absolutely ridiculous speculation. However, if it had actually been possible to confirm all the VTs, scum would probably have been in a fishy situation. They would know who the blues were, but they wouldn't know which blues they were. At the same time, all the VTs would have known who not to lynch, in addition to the blues(assuming there's two of them, which is just a guess at this point) knowing among which three players the scum were hiding. That would've probably been a pretty difficult situation for scum because even if they night kill both blues, no VT is going to lynch another VT in a scenario like that. So there's no way for scum to proceed than to NK VTs and hope town lynches the blue players instead of scum. This would still leave 3 VT vs 2 scum in D3 though. I think Cheese just made a mistake in not thinking it through, as a scenario like that would include no "proper" play at all from the game participants. So if that really was the case Cheese claiming like that would have meant that marv probably would have cancelled and restarted the game with new roles. It's unfortunate that we didn't have enough time to think it through, because in hindsight I think Cheese's argument about "why would I blow up the thread as scum?" looks pretty convincing actually. That's the last thing I'll say on the matter. The fact is that there's absolutely no way to confirm or deny anything with regards to that clusterfuck. With that in mind, like the late debears said, going forward we should use legit scum hunting, not WIFOM bullshit. Morning just catching up with the thread (only bottom of page 64 so far) One quick reaction to your post before I forget. I personally think that if we had confirmed all the VTs it would only have made sense for scum to kill them at night and not the blue. They want to keep uncertainty and don't want to be outnumbered by VTs. I think this is as well the reason Debears got killed cause he is the one who got the most genuine reaction to CC claim. | ||
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On November 07 2012 09:07 Rad wrote: @da0ud What do you think about people claiming right now? Djo seems to think clarity should claim, and probably thinks I should to. Is that a good or bad idea in your opinion for the current state of the game? Finishing to read before gathering my thoughts and posting on the subject. Been pretty busy at work, and each page I read another one appears in the thread. I would like to contribute asap though because I don't want all of you to be in bed yet.... | ||
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More seriously I do TRULY believe Djodref 's claim. No one can counter-claim and especially not me. I actually do understand in a sense why he did not put Debears in jail. If he thought the scum team was Alsn/Clarity, then is move calling that Clairty should be put in jail, is actually good. If Alsn was scum with Clarity, I would give the KP to Alsn. Scum team could not go to deep in mind thinking and actually give the KP to Clarity. Djodref blocking Alsn and seeing Debears (biggest town reaction the CC 's claim) dead, confirms to me that Alsn is town . I know I am town myself and I understand totally Obzy's frustration. You play the game and hope to be scum to have fun and or worst case to have an interesting blue role. You get the VT PM and you feel disappointed. Though you don't want to let your team down (like Roco last game) and mostly do sheep because you don't want to invest time to write big cases and go over and over on people's filter. Think of me man, this is my third game and have been VT every single one (last game I became a posteriori JK because Calrity got modkilled), so I understand your frustration. For that reason if find Obzy town . There is still a tiny chance you would be scum, playing the super emotional newbie card. The emotional part is really well played though. Clarity (?!!?), your defense ! your reaction to CC's claim ! nothing makes sense now man. You are digging a hole deeper and deeper. 99.9% convinced you are scumClarity . I don't believe a second that with your experience, you would have considered PMing Marv. I have played a few games already (ok I don't read super closely the OP) and I didn't even understand the situation with people calling CC fake claiming. Didn't cross my mind a second. @Obzy, question to you : as a VT, have you PMed Marv and ask if you PM was in the blue PM and scum PM ? Rad I am not convinced you are scum, you can redeem yourself. Two points against you. First one is slim. We were three laying on Debears on D1 lynch. I personally assume that a scum team move, would be to get one to vote on CC and one to vote someone else. Just to spread the suspicious. We were only three voting on Debears : CC , Da0ud , Rad (Rad ?). Second point is you have been defending Clarity quite a lot, but this is not too scummy, it would be too obvious and if i were Clarity 's teammate I would back off. On the other hand, you have tried to change subject, do more scum-hunting, consider more cases and I like it. (even though, yourself you didn't do much of that). Leaves Sylver ! You could be the other scum guy taking advantage of Rad being associated to Clarity. I am actually laying towards that ! Order of preference Clairty/Sylver over Clarity/Rad I reiterate my vote on Clarity for the time being. ##Unvote revote : ##Vote Clarity Even if Clarity were not scum (slim chance) this lynch is good for town ! We would get so much more colour on what to do afterwards ! Djodref would have no chance to survive another day as scum ! | ||
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On November 07 2012 13:47 Djodref wrote: @ Rad What do you think about the fact that Clarity never wanted to share the exact question he asked ? @ daoud why would I be scum if Claritg flips town ? It was a way to say, you would be a clear target, so it doesn't really believe you would push that move as scum. Don't you think everyone would go after you if Clarity flips town ? One more reason for me to believe your hidden message : I am french as well so I would have located other hidden potential role claim like the "Gardien". I didn't see no "Police", "Gendarme", etc. | ||
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But yeah from the fact I was like nowhere knowing what was happening with the OP, etc. I think indeed putting me as VT is a safe assumption over blue. | ||
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On November 07 2012 14:22 Rad wrote: @da0ud I'm trying to find it, but did you see Obzy claim VT? Or were you just describing your own experiences? Seemed like you were pointing out that obzy is frustrated because he's VT with that story of yours. If so, I misread and thought it was obzy VT, and my Alsn plan goes out the window without the extra VT >.> I was implying for him. Trying to put myself his is VT shoes. His behaviour makes perfect sense. I felt like that in my two previous games. No experience, no major role to play => de-motivation. With a bit more experience you still find the fun even as VT. | ||
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On November 07 2012 14:34 Rad wrote: @da0ud Alright, forget my alsn plan. What's your backup plan if clarity flips town? It'll say nothing about alsn, or anyone really. If Clarity flips town, most likely I would go for Djodref. Would it make sense for scum Djodref to act the way he has ? not sure. If Clarity flips town, and we will scum Djo next day we will be 2v1 on D4. Could be a strategy of the scum team. And the one taking the less risks now is clearly Syvler. So my plan if Clarity flips town : Djodref then Sylver. | ||
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On November 07 2012 14:38 Rad wrote: Actually, my point on Alsn not being VT stands. What do you guys think about getting him to claim? Or do you disagree with my premise that Alsn isn't a VT? I put him more VT than you, clearly. So no I don't think he should role claim. Except if you want to keep the blue hunting yourself. | ||
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On November 07 2012 14:59 Djodref wrote: lol seriously daoud if clarity flips town I dont think I'm going to be alive on D3. But I like your enthusiasm ^^ I do hear you. And I think indeed if you are town as well, you won't go through the night. | ||
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On November 07 2012 14:40 sylverfyre wrote: No surprises here. Nothing he's said has absolved him. And I have no reason to doubt Djo's alignment (though I still reserve the right to doubt his strategy calls - as risky as it was to claim, it worked. Well. ##Vote Clarity Sorry I haven't been very active today. It's kinda my birthday and I had a really long day (I'm sure a few of you noticed the icon on me while server was on November 6) da0ud, are you saying I'm preferred based on WIFOM that rad is more associated with clarity, therefore it ISN'T Rad? I attacked clarity pretty much right after the lynch Day 1. @Sylver I agree it is a WIFOM but i feel like that currently. | ||
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On November 07 2012 15:05 Rad wrote: Huh so you think djo possibly fake claimed? I think clarity will flip town, so you're suggesting I should suspect djo right now... Seriously? O.o I can see you putting him more TOWN than me, but more VT? My story makes sense from a VT perspective, does it not? His quote doesn't make sense from a VT perspective. You confuse me da0ud. Sorry I meant town not VT. | ||
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On November 07 2012 15:08 Djodref wrote: Alsn has had quite a nice ”town slip“ when he reacted to fact that I had jailed him. This guy couldn't even read properly that I've jailed him for being mafia ^^ so I would say sylverfyre and Clarity scumteam ! Or Obzy is the best newbie I have ever seen Exaclty what I think. I even think that he is 99.90% blue from his reaction to CC's claim. Much calmer and less condescending than scum Clarity | ||
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In this situation, can I say :"Clarity/sylver gg, i stop playing game is over." ? | ||
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Finally a very good defense post. If what you say is correct (let see if someone claim Cop like you), then to me, it leaves Alsn as the other one reacting like you to the CC claim. I consider his reaction slightly townier than yours. But well, it would make him scum. I still believe Sylver would be the second one. I still believe whatever you claim, lynching you is the best source of information for town. Let me try some assumptions and I'll see if it works or not | ||
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If we lynch you and you a red : D3 we are 4v1 and I will go for Sylver If we lynch you are you are green : D3 we are 3v2 and it is LyLo. I will definitely go for Djodref. If he flips green then we lose and he will have killed town mostly by himself. If he flips red, we are 2v1 on D4, LyLo again and I will have to consider who Djo was trying to protect. | ||
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On November 07 2012 18:55 Djodref wrote: @ Clarity Thank you ! Right now, I know for sure that you are 100% scum. Nice fakeclaim by the way Unfortunately, I cannot use my trump card against you right now ;( but I'm going to explain to you why I knew you were lying about being blue when this game ends. But it's mainly based on the fact that it is less likely for a blue to ask your question to marv than for a VT. If all the VT here had doubts about you going ask the question to the host, I know that he is lying when he says he did this as a blue. Why can't you say why I knew he was lying about being blue now ? Please don't retain information. | ||
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On November 07 2012 18:59 Djodref wrote: By the way, you should not have said that you were roleblocked because you don't know it for sure. The thing that would have happened is that you got no result for your investigation I'm curious to see what Alsn is going to say when he comes back... Well if he was Cop and he cannot see if the person he wants to investigate is green or red, I think it is safe to assume he has been roleblocked.... | ||
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Let think know at the best action plans for our JK and Cop to find for sure who is the last scum buddy | ||
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 I know how good and invested Djo is in this game. He want to shine as the mastermind of it. He has barely slept over the past few days. I feel something fishy. Would there be any chance that Djo could have fakeclaimed as mafia RB in order to bully/buss his partner Clarity ? What I truly believe at the moment is : Obzy, me are VT Alsn is Cop Sylver looks really bad and if my assumption goes nowhere I will go after him on D3. Rad, there could still be a chance he would be scum but unlikely. Djo, mafia RB : unlikely as well - BUT I KNOW HE IS CAPABLE OF IT ! | ||
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On November 08 2012 15:57 Rad wrote: @da0ud We have no other blue claim. Isn't it pretty unlikely that there's only 1 blue in this game? I think it is possible. Usual games are 13 players 10v3 so 23% of scum people On this one 7v2 hence only 22% of scum, which is a slight hedge to town. Only one power role for mafia. I would imagine that 2 power roles for town would get the game even more imbalanced. On top of that, Djodref is already diverting attention on Alsn saying he is the most usefull town right now. I don't disagree, but if I were mafia I would not let Djo alive because he is the sharpest player right now. He can write many cases, etc. If he is still alive tomorrow, I think there is something fishy. | ||
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On November 08 2012 16:13 Obzy wrote: da0ud - it's POSSIBLE, but incredibly unlikely. I think that only having a single blue would be somewhat imbalanced in favor of mafia, I also think it wouldn't be very suitable for a newbie game as having no roles doesn't really help town learn much. Just by the numbers, I think we have two blues, and Djo is one of them. I recommend asking our gracious coaches about it if you have doubts (specifically: "How can/Why should I believe Djo's claim?" The coaches are excellent.), I think that asking the rest of us to look at and doubt Djo is truly not worth your time, though. Scum is 100% Sylv or Rad. Rad - I respect your play. I know I'm town. Taking this into account, I wouldn't put it past you to play so excellently as to be able to speak your above piece in a convincing manner ^^ Although I'm a bit too lazy to do this myself if prompted; if you feel like you are going to be lynched and your lynch would cause town to lose, your only real choice is to convince Me that da0ud is the last scum. Here's why: Presumably, scum is going to kill a blue tonight. Tomorrow, Sylv will be lynched. Assuming Sylv is not scum, the remaining blue will die the next night. This will leave me, you, and da0ud. I'm not scum, so if you're trying to make a case on me at that point and you are town, we lose. da0ud is going to vote you. I am going to vote you. The only thing that would change this situation is if da0ud was the scum, and you pull together a nail-biting case that absolutely and completely convinces me. I don't expect you to do it, because I think da0ud is 100% town. However, if you are the last scum, that's your only choice. (Now that I've brought it up, it really isn't a choice ^_^ We'll see it coming.) If you don't think da0ud is scum, and you yourself are not scum, then Sylv is scum. The end. There really is no reason thinking further unless you want to entertain the possibility that I am lying, or that our blues are lying - these may be fun mental exercises, but they will not lead to a plausible end-game scenario worth thinking about. One thing for sure, Obzy. If I am alive last with you, I will vote with you against the third one. | ||
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On November 08 2012 16:28 Djodref wrote: @ daoud Should we start this conversation again when we are both in lylo together ? Can I recommend you to go through Clarity's filter and make an analysis of his interactions with the other players ? Yes, Djo, I will do so. This is just my usual paranoia taking over at the moment :D | ||
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Djo will be posting a solid case against him anyway. I am sure the case against him + his interactions with Clarity (I am currently going through Sylver's filter) will be much stronger than any other case that could be made against us, the rest of townie town. | ||
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If it does I am pretty convinced I will have to vote for you or Obzy is the best newbie ever. | ||
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GG sylver. GG TOWN!!!! YAYYYYYY! | ||
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On November 09 2012 01:06 Djodref wrote: lol, I think that kind of breadcrumbs are totally ok Souel Gardien Hostel was terrible in comparison to yours... I was hoping that daoud would not catch it at first glance. @ Clarity The extra info was the fact that we blue did not know about the VT flavor until Cheese claim where we received a PM from marv. Fortunately for me, I was catching up at that time, so I couldn't do the kind of mistake that you did. So I knew you could not be blue at all when you were saying that you asked your question to marv when you noticed that the VT flavor was different in the OP and in your PM. I was already suspicious of you and the hints you were giving for a blue Clarity felt very wrong for me. I knew I could confirm you as scum if you claimed and I think I would have backed off a little if you were admitting to be a VT. Actually it did catch my mind - I stopped a sec on it and I was like :"Euh, you really fucked up with the orthographe on that one". But I am too dumb to even think of looking for breadcumb. Next game I play, if I EVER (FoS randomization !) get another role than VT then I'll try to put an original one. | ||
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On November 09 2012 02:00 Obzy wrote: Thank goodness haha. I'm glad things went the way they did ^^ I have a few specific comments to make: Djo, your posting rate was a pleasure and (IMO) helped enormously with town's (my) confidence in reads. kudos ^^ [props to dead debears for the same reason ]Mr CC: :c I really do apologize for my rudeness after flip lol, it was out of place and impolite. Sorry! Hapa: 1 million mafia-dollars for you, sir - I harassed Hapa with no less than 19 PMs and received quick and thought-guiding responses to each of them; if anybody playing town ever reads this [when not playing this game, but is interested in a newbie mafia game,] - TALK TO YOUR COACHES! Incredibly, incredibly helpful. I don't know what to say about my flipout post, besides that I was being honest :x The fact it removed suspicion from me so thoroughly was an enormous relief lol. It would've been interesting if everybody had known VT flavor from an early point; Clarity almost certainly would've been lynched D1, but it's impossible to say where town would've gone from there, IMO. Thanks to our hosts for being prompt with answers, the humorous flavor, and their time investiture! Thanks to everybody for playing! :D I don't know if I intend to play again ^^;;; Very, very stressful. Saturday afternoon, an irl friend asked me (we have a LAN-room type thing) if I was going to be reading my forum game all day - I'd probably put 12 hours or so into it at that point, with only a handful of actual posts. It would be interesting to see faster games, although I'd imagine they'd seem incredibly hectic in comparison - I'll definitely be in the /obs threads though! ((( Hehe. I did have a hearty chuckle at some of your posts, the lynch on you was obviously far too fast in retrospect, and nobody (well, not I~) could've seen the VT flavor being known to more than just us VTs. :xWith regards to Clar and Sylv - WP ^^ I had fun, I appreciate Sylv conceding hehe. I don't think he was in a winnable scenario, so I think it's a sign of good sportsmanship. I look forward to watching you guys (if you play again, Sylv~) as townies as well! Thanks everybody~ (and debears, it's Obzy not Obsy >:0!) I really recognized myself actually in your "coming out" post. The reason I always find motivation myself is actually because I know Djodref in real life from when we were both living in France. Seeing how motivated he is, comitted, etc. makes me always wanna step up my game. Unfortunately I cannot be as active as I wished because, as opposed to Djodref, I need to sleep at night and I am always afk while the core of the action takes place. I come back in the morning and I mostly talk to myself | ||
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On November 09 2012 11:10 sylverfyre wrote: I could see merit in day start games of playing the first day without checking your role pm and just assume you're a VT. Or at least play early day 1 like that, and check closer to lynch time? I did that actually. When I started the game and everyone was bullying me for lurking I started with 13 pages to read. I read it without knowing my PM in order to have a less biased opinion on people straight away. | ||
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On November 09 2012 07:13 Hapahauli wrote: Individual Player Comments da0ud - Good stuff! This is more active than I've seen you play in the past and it really showed in your gameplay. You contributed some very good things to town and played a very solid game. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=379514¤tpage=75#1496 This post in particular was an impressive piece of analysis. Thanks Hapa ! <3 You are gonna make me cry. I feel bad of being a bad town and not taking enough time to PM you to have some better way of improving my game play and game analysis. | ||
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On November 09 2012 11:50 marvellosity wrote: hi da0ud :D You see !!! as always I am the last one ! and I am using Djo's posting clothes right now Singing : Allllll byyyyyyy myyyyyy selffffffffff | ||
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