|
On November 03 2012 13:30 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 13:28 debears wrote:On November 03 2012 13:25 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 03 2012 13:22 debears wrote:On November 03 2012 13:11 Djodref wrote:On November 03 2012 13:04 Clarity_nl wrote:
Okay re-reading your post you're saying we shouldn't focus on one/two people, instead considering everyone and not consolidate on a lynch? @ ClarityExactly, I think you everyone should just vote for his top scumread while giving enough reason to do so and then we start again from there and see who is likely to be lynched, be it 2 or 3 players. I think it's the best way to use plurality lynch. Considering only 2 possibilities narrows the discussion and allows mafia players to have some excuse to lynch town (cf Cheese last game lynching daoud in the daoud/ini match-up). The downfall is that the end of the day could be a bit messy. seriously.....why are we having to explain this? 1) Scumhunt 2) Vote for your top scumread 3) When the voting comes down to 2 candidates and lynch is near, pick one of two said candidates and give reasoning why you're voting them Is that clear enough for all of you to understand? Please stop talking about policy Because he mentioned it here: On November 03 2012 12:13 Djodref wrote:On November 03 2012 12:04 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On November 03 2012 12:02 Djodref wrote:
It is confusing, especially when you are attacking the same guy over semantics just after your joke. It could be also a nice way to influence our read on debears while looking clean.
I agree that he was making a joke but please consider the motivations for it.
Town motivations
I don't see town motivations for making a joke about a scumtell
Mafia motivations
Creates confusion and disturbs the thread. Allows to influence our read on debears while looking clean You also neglect to realize that my joke was in a RESPONSE to his joke. (I don't wear hats). You're really trying to dig where there is nothing. @ CheeseOk, you had motivations for doing this joke but it doesn't really help town while it could be done with mafia motivation. And, at least, I'm trying to dig something. Would you prefer me to discuss how we should use plurality lynch ? Which got me curious what he had to say on the subject. Turns out the answer is nothing new. Which begs the question: Why did he mention it in the first place? Clarity, I think it was meant to be read as more of this: Do you want me to push something and try to get the thread going, or do you want me to talk about useless policy? Would you agree with that? I.... didn't even consider that. Yes, that actually makes much more sense.
I was exactly this.
|
On November 03 2012 13:28 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 13:26 Djodref wrote:On November 03 2012 13:22 debears wrote:On November 03 2012 13:11 Djodref wrote:On November 03 2012 13:04 Clarity_nl wrote:
Okay re-reading your post you're saying we shouldn't focus on one/two people, instead considering everyone and not consolidate on a lynch? @ ClarityExactly, I think you everyone should just vote for his top scumread while giving enough reason to do so and then we start again from there and see who is likely to be lynched, be it 2 or 3 players. I think it's the best way to use plurality lynch. Considering only 2 possibilities narrows the discussion and allows mafia players to have some excuse to lynch town (cf Cheese last game lynching daoud in the daoud/ini match-up). The downfall is that the end of the day could be a bit messy. seriously.....why are we having to explain this? 1) Scumhunt 2) Vote for your top scumread 3) When the voting comes down to 2 candidates and lynch is near, pick one of two said candidates and give reasoning why you're voting them Is that clear enough for all of you to understand? Please stop talking about policy @ debearsMy point is that it would benefit us to consider more than 2 candidates for the lynch. Anyway it's too late to discuss about it now, I was just answering Clarity's question about it. By the way it's not policy, it's lynch mechanics  More semantics, anyways it's useless. What do you think of Obsy's, Dau0d's, and Sylver's epic uselessness so far?
@ debears
The game has just started. Regarding daoud and sylver, the longer it takes for them to join the discussion, the bigger my expectations are for their future input.
Obsy has to step up a little bit.
@Obsy if you are town, you should definitively ask Hapa for help
|
@ Cheese
Regarding your pokemon joke explanation, I didn't like how you focused on the content instead of precising what were your motivations for this joke at that time. It would be acceptable if you just told me that it was genuine or an attempt to frame me (it occurred during last game after all).
Nevertheless, I would agree that we should drop this discussion. But you are still on my radar.
|
I need to go to the wedding now, see ya !
|
On November 03 2012 13:48 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 13:43 Djodref wrote:On November 03 2012 13:28 debears wrote:On November 03 2012 13:26 Djodref wrote:On November 03 2012 13:22 debears wrote:On November 03 2012 13:11 Djodref wrote:On November 03 2012 13:04 Clarity_nl wrote:
Okay re-reading your post you're saying we shouldn't focus on one/two people, instead considering everyone and not consolidate on a lynch? @ ClarityExactly, I think you everyone should just vote for his top scumread while giving enough reason to do so and then we start again from there and see who is likely to be lynched, be it 2 or 3 players. I think it's the best way to use plurality lynch. Considering only 2 possibilities narrows the discussion and allows mafia players to have some excuse to lynch town (cf Cheese last game lynching daoud in the daoud/ini match-up). The downfall is that the end of the day could be a bit messy. seriously.....why are we having to explain this? 1) Scumhunt 2) Vote for your top scumread 3) When the voting comes down to 2 candidates and lynch is near, pick one of two said candidates and give reasoning why you're voting them Is that clear enough for all of you to understand? Please stop talking about policy @ debearsMy point is that it would benefit us to consider more than 2 candidates for the lynch. Anyway it's too late to discuss about it now, I was just answering Clarity's question about it. By the way it's not policy, it's lynch mechanics More semantics, anyways it's useless. What do you think of Obsy's, Dau0d's, and Sylver's epic uselessness so far? @ debearsThe game has just started. Regarding daoud and sylver, the longer it takes for them to join the discussion, the bigger my expectations are for their future input. Obsy has to step up a little bit. @Obsy if you are town, you should definitively ask Hapa for help So you're saying Obsy is town????? Obvious scumtell omg guyszzzz instalynch him Lol NMM XXVIII Never forget
@ debears
You really made me chuckle with this one ^^
|
On November 03 2012 15:30 sylverfyre wrote:@ObzyI'm casting suspicion with my vote. I find it far more effective than FOS, which can be more difficult to keep track of. Votes, the mod will keep track of for us. I understand he's the most active person. If that was 3 pages of posts with useful content, I'd have no issue. It's like 2 pages of fluff and 1 page of content, and the 1 page of content could be condensed if he didn't jam the "post" button after finishing a sentence, when he fully intends to immediately write another one. @Rad - you were friggin brilliant D2/N2 last game. It's a shame you used your only bullet N1. 
@ sylverfyre
So let me sum up the situation.
You join the thread and directly vote for debears mainly because there is a lot of fluff in it.
Then you say that you are voting him to "cast suspicion with your vote". I'm sorry but I'm voting somebody when I find them suspicious, not to cast suspicion on him.
Do you know who is voting innocent players to cast suspicion on them ? Mafia. (Not sure if debears is innocent in this case, I have seen things I don't really like in his filter)
I'm taking this for a scumslip and the most suspicious thing I have seen in this thread so far.
##Vote sylverfire
@ Clarity
It answers your question
|
On November 03 2012 19:36 da0ud wrote:Djo seems to be against policy lynch on lurkers, I agree as well. This policy is the easiest tool for scum to back their vote. However Djodref is the only one both saying he is against it and in the same post stating name of potential lurkers so he can actually put focus on them. Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 10:43 Djodref wrote:
@ Rad
The only potential lurkers that we have in this game are daoud and maybe Obzy (but it doesn't look like it). My problem with your policy is that it is directed towards these players in this game. What we have to be wary of is active lurking (refer to the mafiaQT in the previous game) and people blending in.
Do you see anyone else possibly lurking ?
Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 11:04 Djodref wrote:
@ Rad
That's my problem with a lurker policy this game, I think that it can be used only against daoud or Obzy (maybe sylverfire).
I think it would be much better to call directly these players for lurking rather agreeing on a policy which could be a perfect excuse for the mafia to push a mislynch on them, assuming that they are town.
It's a small game and if you have a problem with the activity level of anyone, you can call them on it, no need for a policy.
@ daoud
I think the game is small enough to use some direct tools to pressure lurkers instead of a policy. According to this, I have absolutely no problem with debears vote on you. I was just identifying you as potential lurkers, not potential targets. Anyway, it should be easy enough to get away from this position: you just have to regularly post some content in the thread.
|
@ Clarity
I was concerned with policy because everyone was supportive of the "Lynch a Lurker" policy when I am not. So I've tried to argue with Rad over it because I think he is one of the greatest supporters of the policy (see last game). I agree that I might have had this discussing for too long.
Regarding the "Cheese joke argument", I've picked something in the thread that I didn't like and purposely made a big fuss about it to put pressure on Cheese and to spark some discussion. You could argue that we end up arguing about useless things but I wouldn't say so. As you have noticed, debears defended Cheese and attacked me at the same time while I was tunneling him. It could be useful information for the future 
|
On November 03 2012 10:21 debears wrote:
@obsy
Its mafia favored compared to the last setup. Only 9 players means a quicker game. A quicker game is better foe mafia since they don't have to fake their townieness for so long.
Also look at the roles like medic. Medic can't target the same person twice (was it also that he can't target himself? I'm on my phone and i really don't want to check
@ debears
So, are you saying that the fact that we have a medic which cannot target the same person twice is such a big imbalance that this game is obviously mafia favored or are you role-fishing ?
I'm not sure why you mention this in this post, could you elaborate ?
|
@ Obsy
I didn't ignore the deb/Alsn argument. I've just thought that it was not such a big deal. Please look at the time stamps and be more careful when you read the thread.
On November 03 2012 10:50 Djodref wrote:
@ debaers
I don't think this one deserves a FoS. When Alsn says that it is technically a lie, that's just Alsn arguing about math and logic.
@ everyone
I'm going to be around at deadline but it is 10am for me so please expect me to take some time to catch up with the thread and not being able to think very clearly. I was seriously pissed off last game when you were jumping at me for my waking-up posts.
On November 03 2012 11:07 debears wrote:
@djo
Why are you addressing lurker policy still while me and alsn are arguing?
Afraid to jump in and actually talk about something that doesnt make you commit?
Also not that debears call me for it after my first post about it but the thread was moving quite fast at that time.
|
Just a remark for Obsy and Clarity, lists can been seen as a scumtell. I know that newbies love them so it's a null tell for me right now. Let me explain.
Making list makes you look like as an active contributor while you are not really committing on any player. From a list post, it's easy to blend in and find some reasons to vote for the possible lynch candidates.
And I also think it would be better for you to focus on your scumreads rather than dispatch your attention. If you are town, of course
|
@ Clarity
No, your post was fine, I was just giving you an advice. And I was indeed talking about your post summing up your reads. Maybe it should be better if you focused on one or two players.
|
No comments on sylverfire scumslip ?
|
Definition of casting suspicion: suggest that something or someone might be suspect
I had to look up in the dictionary to be sure ^^
This coupled to the fact that his reasons to vote debears are insufficient in my eyes (you vote someone for some facts, not because he is fluffy without showing where he is fluffy) made sylverfire my top scumread right now.
|
@ daoud
Why do you defend him ?
How can you know his intentions ? The reason he has given us for his vote is his intent to "cast suspicion" upon debears because his filter is full of fluff, according to him. You should better have waited for sylverfire to defend himself for this one because you might just have given him a rope to get out of his situation,
|
I'm not sure to understand exactly what you mean...
Are you saying that I purposely misinterpret what sylver has said and done to attack him ?
Could you clarify where you think I am wrong ?
|
On November 03 2012 23:33 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 20:58 Djodref wrote:On November 03 2012 10:21 debears wrote:
@obsy
Its mafia favored compared to the last setup. Only 9 players means a quicker game. A quicker game is better foe mafia since they don't have to fake their townieness for so long.
Also look at the roles like medic. Medic can't target the same person twice (was it also that he can't target himself? I'm on my phone and i really don't want to check @ debearsSo, are you saying that the fact that we have a medic which cannot target the same person twice is such a big imbalance that this game is obviously mafia favored or are you role-fishing ? I'm not sure why you mention this in this post, could you elaborate ? Idk how you get that I'm role fishing from that. 1) I talked about the speed of the game and number of players being mafia favored 2) Combined with the roles setup, the game is pretty mafia favored imo How do you get that I'm role fishing for that when I in no way ask anyone if they are blue?
@ debears
Maybe you were waiting for a possible medic to confirm you the fact that he cannot heal himself. I would expect a medic to carefully read his role's rules and I'm expecting you to know that medics usually cannot heal themselves. But you are asking this question nevertheless.
I'm agreeing that the speed of this game is benefit the mafia but I don't see why the role setup would be mafia favored. It is only because the medic cannot heal the same person twice ?
|
On November 03 2012 23:35 da0ud wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 23:21 Djodref wrote:
I'm not sure to understand exactly what you mean...
Are you saying that I purposely misinterpret what sylver has said and done to attack him ?
Could you clarify where you think I am wrong ? Yes. Explanation of where I think you are wrong is in the previous post : the same one you said i am defending Slyfire and he can use it as a rope to start his own defense. What is the point of your question if you already replied to its own answer ?
@ daoud
Ok, so you are not defending sylver but attacking me for misinterpreting the thread.
Could you please tell me exactly where I misinterpreted the thread ? Show me it in a quote so I can be more precise.
|
On November 03 2012 23:48 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 23:44 Djodref wrote:On November 03 2012 23:33 debears wrote:On November 03 2012 20:58 Djodref wrote:On November 03 2012 10:21 debears wrote:
@obsy
Its mafia favored compared to the last setup. Only 9 players means a quicker game. A quicker game is better foe mafia since they don't have to fake their townieness for so long.
Also look at the roles like medic. Medic can't target the same person twice (was it also that he can't target himself? I'm on my phone and i really don't want to check @ debearsSo, are you saying that the fact that we have a medic which cannot target the same person twice is such a big imbalance that this game is obviously mafia favored or are you role-fishing ? I'm not sure why you mention this in this post, could you elaborate ? Idk how you get that I'm role fishing from that. 1) I talked about the speed of the game and number of players being mafia favored 2) Combined with the roles setup, the game is pretty mafia favored imo How do you get that I'm role fishing for that when I in no way ask anyone if they are blue? @ debearsMaybe you were waiting for a possible medic to confirm you the fact that he cannot heal himself. I would expect a medic to carefully read his role's rules and I'm expecting you to know that medics usually cannot heal themselves. But you are asking this question nevertheless. I'm agreeing that the speed of this game is benefit the mafia but I don't see why the role setup would be mafia favored. It is only because the medic cannot heal the same person twice ? That, with no vig, no vet, yet the Mafia still have the same power roles for possiblities, except the godfather. Oh, and roleblocks aren't notified. Mainly it's the number of players and speed of the game combined with only having 2 mafia
@ debears
I think that cop and jailkeeper are powerful roles, we might not have both of them though. Vig is not so good in newbie games (could you confirm this one, Rad?). Please also note that a framer couldn't use his power on his mafia partner.
Anyway, I don't think the setup is imbalanced from a role point of view and I was surprised that you were only mentioning the medic. I'm not totally satisfied with your explanations but it was a minor thing.
I'm more interested in sylverfire and daoud right now.
Can the framer frame himself ?
|
On November 03 2012 23:59 debears wrote:
@Djo
What do you think of my points on Sylver?
Well, I have voted for sylver before you for a different scumslip so I definitively agree
Anyway they are good points, the scumslip you have found is better than mine, his vote on you is quite unfounded and he has also totally forgot to mention me jumping on Cheese in his post.
I think the chances for him to be scum are great.
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT
