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"LOL scum, you have hit a VT. Better luck at blue sniping next time "What the fuck was that ? | ||
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On November 05 2012 23:29 Clarity_nl wrote: It's safe to assume that since Townie isn't Townie, other roles have different names too, right? On November 05 2012 23:45 Clarity_nl wrote: I don't think forcing me to roleclaim during N1 is a good idea. @ Clarity Right now, Obzy, daoud and me want to lynch you. I guess it shouldn't be too difficult to convince sylverfyre to vote against you as well. I want you to roleclaim and to tell us what you did ask marv exactly. I'm on Obzy side, I cannot believe that you could be something else than blue or red, given your experience in this game. | ||
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Why would you assume that Clarity is town ? | ||
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Did you see how he avoided to discuss with me after this post + Show Spoiler + On November 04 2012 17:29 Djodref wrote: Wouldn't you mind to discuss what you have against me right now ? I'm going to have to sleep before the deadline and I don't want to have to defend your case against me while waking up and catching the thread. Plus it's going to be likely that I need to decide my vote at this time so I would prefer to focus on analysis rather than defense at that time. I find it odd that you don't want to go after Cheese as well. He should be looking quite scummy in your eyes right now because he didn't answer your question. Also, if I want to sum up his contribution so far, he is just tunneling me after an OMGUSy FoS on me. I want your comment on this Rad. I don't think you gave it to me yet... | ||
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First, he didn't want to discuss about my me being scummy in his eyes with me 17 hours before lynch. Why would you like to retain information at that time ? My point is that he didn't want to discuss and you have been bitching me to hell last game when I said "I'm not going to change my mind". I think not willing to discuss is way worse than not wanting to change your mind. Second, this guy said I trapped him not posting his case against me. That's a lie because I gave him a fair warning like 17h before the lynch but even if he was town and felt trapped and bullied by a guy who he thinks scum, I'm saying that there are just more reasons for him to post his case against me. But he doesn't post it because it's going to look bad and because I won't have time to defend myself which was his first point to not discuss with me at the beginning. What I think: His case against me is bad and weak and he knows this because he is scum and I'm town. What would you do if one your top scumread was bullying you so you cannot post your case without looking bad and proposing himself for a lynch candidate. I would personally add this points in my case and take the risk to be mislynch to show everyone what fucking bastard he is. Clarity has shown way too much self-preservation instinct and he didn't want to commit like any townie should do. And the alternative case he made was against debears, another town guy. | ||
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On November 05 2012 08:31 Rad wrote: Cheese, I've realized you were claiming that, but WHY? What's your motivation to do that at this point in the game? @ Rad When did you realize he was claiming VT ? With the first claim or the second claim or when he was explicit with it. What did you think of it at that time ? | ||
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On November 06 2012 12:02 Rad wrote: 1. Why not? He didn't try to make a push on getting you lynched, you didn't end up being a lynch candidate, and he can post today if he wants. He had very low possibility of being NK considering most people think he's suspicious.How would a town clarity know if he has a low probability to get NKed ? So you are saying that avoiding discussion is OK at 17 hours before the lynch because we can always discuss later. I was here in the thread and he was also here and this was a golden opportunity for him to put pressure on me and follow-up his scumreads for once and HE DID NOT DO IT. Why would he avoid an argument and keep it for later ? He didn't want me to be able to prepare for his case which I take as he has a strong scumread on me, but later on he decides not to take his chance ? Why did he change his mind ? 2. He decided to make a case against debears instead. Why discuss with you at that point if he's not interested in pushing it? If he does think you're scum, and he is town, seems like he would want to keep that info to himself in the meantime since he's not going anywhere anytime soon (and said he would post if he was to be lynched, which makes sense, though we can't read into it since it didn't happen so whatever) Yeah, I really like to keep my thoughts for myself when I'm town. I think I'm going to play like Roco and Inig to increase our chances of winning ? Not interested in pushing his reads ? Come on ! What is possibly more anti-town ? As for him potentially looking bad by posting a case on you when you'll supposedly flip town one day, he would have (if scum) had that same concern with debears when he made that case, so this isn't even really worth thinking about. I don't think he was holding back out of fear of a case on you implicating him if you flipped green, I think he just wanted to put out a case against debears instead (for whatever reason, we can't figure that out without going WIFOM crazy). [b]@ Rad My comments in bold font in your post. | ||
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On November 06 2012 12:11 Rad wrote: I realized with this post: I'm not going to tell you what I thought of it because that's blue hunting, and I feel I will survive until the night. @ Rad Stop with the blue hunting bullshit. If you are cop and you had a green check on Clarity, you should tell us right now. It's either that or you are scum with him. You are such an hypocrite in your defense of him ! I point you some points which show clearly anti-town behavior and you keep finding excuses for him. | ||
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Sorry for the formatting, my points are relevant so I'm going to post them again. 1. Why not? He didn't try to make a push on getting you lynched, you didn't end up being a lynch candidate, and he can post today if he wants. He had very low possibility of being NK considering most people think he's suspicious.[b]How would a town clarity know if he has a low probability to get NKed ? So you are saying that avoiding discussion is OK at 17 hours before the lynch because we can always discuss later. I was here in the thread and he was also here and this was a golden opportunity for him to put pressure on me and follow-up his scumreads for once and HE DID NOT DO IT. Why would he avoid an argument and keep it for later ? He didn't want me to be able to prepare for his case which I take as he has a strong scumread on me, but later on he decides not to take his chance ? Why did he change his mind ? 2. He decided to make a case against debears instead. Why discuss with you at that point if he's not interested in pushing it? If he does think you're scum, and he is town, seems like he would want to keep that info to himself in the meantime since he's not going anywhere anytime soon (and said he would post if he was to be lynched, which makes sense, though we can't read into it since it didn't happen so whatever) Yeah, I really like to keep my thoughts for myself when I'm town. I think I'm going to play like Roco and Inig to increase our chances of winning ? Not interested in pushing his reads ? Come on ! What is possibly more anti-town ? As for him potentially looking bad by posting a case on you when you'll supposedly flip town one day, he would have (if scum) had that same concern with debears when he made that case, so this isn't even really worth thinking about. I don't think he was holding back out of fear of a case on you implicating him if you flipped green, I think he just wanted to put out a case against debears instead (for whatever reason, we can't figure that out without going WIFOM crazy). My comments are in bold font in response to your previous post in defense of Clarity. [/QUOTE] | ||
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First of all, I'm not hunting for blues. I want information to find scum, that is all. Blues are not going to solve the game for us, we have to do it by ourselves. I don't care if I have to out all the blues while scumhunting if the information I get allows me to find the mafia members. I do not appreciate at all the fact that you are retaining information with the excuse that you want to protect the blues. Anyway, if you are afraid for them, please step up and make some cases, force the mafia to kill you by being dangerous for them (if you are town, that is). If you start your day by doing this + Show Spoiler + On November 06 2012 10:07 Rad wrote: FoS Obzy FoS Djo partial FoS Sylver
Secondly, my arguments are not stupid. If we assume that we have a town Clarity having a scum read on scum Djodref. Then, town Clarity is
Who is still believing in town Clarity ? Rad is... | ||
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I'm seriously pissed off by Rad and Clarity accusing me of blue hunting when I'm looking for information. In my eyes, Clarity is scum at 95% and I don't understand how Rad is failing at seeing it when I present all the facts that show that Clarity has not a town behavior. As I said, either Rad has extra information, either Rad is in the scumteam with Clarity. Anyway, I think their argument for retaining information is stupid. The best way to protect the blues is to be more dangerous for the mafia than the blues themselves. I do not care if some blues have to claim or if we are outing some blues in the process of scumhunting. BLUES DO NOT SOLVE THE GAME FOR US, TOWN IS ! | ||
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On November 06 2012 13:44 sylverfyre wrote: This most recent post by you is even more ridiculously scummy. Don't care if you have to out all the blues while scumhunting? Maybe because you're actually blue-hunting? ##Vote Djodref [b] sylverfyre If you are town, please ask yourself if your point against me is enough to justify a vote. Please bring a complete case against me if you are seriously wanting me lynched today. Which is not going to happen because I'm right.. If you are mafia, you are welcome to find more shitty reasons to vote me. | ||
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I'm tunneling Clarity right now because you and me are the only two wanting a Clarity lynch today right now. I've tried to convince Rad and he has called my arguments stupid. Obzy wants to lynch sylverfyre. sylverfyre wants to lynch me. I don't know what thinks Alsn nor Rad nor Clarity. I guess that you are town because I feel that you are honest in your post, especially the one where you react at Cheese claim after the fact. I might be wrong and I did not look at you in details but I'm not going to bother with this when we have to convince town to lynch Clarity today. I understand that you think that I might be bussing my partner but could you wait for Clarity flip before thinking of this. Association cases before flip are stupid. | ||
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On November 06 2012 14:00 da0ud wrote: This works as well with scumClarity and scumDjodref. Except that you earn HUGE town credit when he flips scum. @ daoud I know but you HAVE to think about this after the flip. I'm very confident that Clarity is going to flip red but again, we need this information BEFORE starting association cases. Ask anyone else here, they are going to tell you the same thing. What do you think about Alsn ? | ||
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On November 06 2012 14:03 Rad wrote: @djo I spent ~3 hours since the NK discussing mostly with you and some with obzy. Our conversation got stale as hell and I have to enjoy my real life too or I will go mfing insane tomorrow trying to work. Don't even BEGIN to claim I'm not helping town just because I won't role claim right now. Of course if we kill all the scum then it doesn't matter if everyone in the game role claimed and all the blues were outted, because in the end town won. But WHAT POSSIBLE REASON do you think any of us have to believe you're town and you have town's best interests in mind? Do you think you're confirmed town by anyone at this point? Why the hell would anyone want to give you information when that information isn't appropriate to give right now from a town perspective. About your clarity town vs djo scum garbage, you're missing the clarity town djo town scenario. Don't think it's possible that he had bad reads on you and you have bad reads on him? Why is it the case that one of you MUST be scum? Always remember this: shitty town is not scum. We learned that from you last game, try to see if he fits and stop thinking all your points are pure gold. Rethink them. You have no idea how convinced I was that kush was scum last game and I was totally off. That shit can happen so you need to step back and get a grip. @ Rad The point in my argumention is not that one of us has to be scum (my alignment did not matter, I just wanted to emphasize how anti-town is his behavior in the case I would be scum), the main point is that he did not show town behavior in my interactions with me if he really had a scum read on me (which would be a bad read of course because I am town) and he did not show town behavior in his interactions with Cheese. And Clarity did not show town behavior before that as well (please refer to my case and debears case on him). I'm going to tunnel Clarity today until the moment when you are going to say, "ok, let's lynch him today". What's your read on him by the way ? Why are you defending him so much ? | ||
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 And, yeah, I'm really raging by now. And yes, association cases before flips are ridiculous, we were already discussing about this last game. Even if I think that Clarity is scum at 95%, I might be wrong. ##Vote Clarity I don't know why I forgot to vote until now... | ||
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On November 06 2012 14:26 Rad wrote: @da0ud My big issue with djo right now is his persistence in blue hunting. I hate it. He really needs to stop and his point about "doesn't matter if we win!" is terrible. debears also blue hunted during the cheese case but turns out that was just an accident. I hate that we keep having to point out to djo that he needs to stop blue hunting and he's ignoring it. I'll be honest with you though. I'm null on him now, or maybe leaning town. He's ridiculously passionate about his clarity tunneling, or at least that's how I read it, and that feels townie to me. Not that I'd get a scum read from him if he wasn't being like this, but I dunno, that's just how I'm feeling atm. I want him to stop tunneling clarity for a bit and move on. He was shitty town last game and I refuse shitty djo town this game, but I think he's just blinded with rage right now. I agree with djo on your thoughts of him gaining super town credit if clarity flips scum, in the case of djo clarity scum team. I think we only worry about that if we end up lynching clarity and he flips scum (or visa versa I suppose?). Also, on my list of possible scum teams, djo clarity isn't one of them (not that I have an actual list, but this one hasn't really come to mind, seems way too elaborate to be real). @ Rad I was not shitty town last game, I've been pushing for a Dandel Ion lynch all D2 and I even doubted his fakeclaim. My case against him was spot on, and my case against Clarity is quite good I think right now. Of course, I've been looking scummy as well, but this is something you have to expect when someone is posting without paying attention to his posts and is taking strong stances. I promise to stop the blue hunting. I'll move on when you vote Clarity though... | ||
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On November 06 2012 14:08 sylverfyre wrote: @Djodref You're getting increasingly hostile. You're defending outing as many blues as it takes after only 1 night in the name of scumhunting. A cop claiming himself and 1 townie today is not going to help for very far into the game as both of them will probably be dead by the time LyLo rolls around. Yes, we need to find scum for ourselves. However, blues need to survive for a while or else we're looking at 5 town v 2 mafia... mislynch one more time and we're at LyLo. If we have no blues at a 3v2 lylo, and we don't KNOW who the 2 mafia are, we're probably (but not necessarily) fucked. This is not the first questionable strategy you've pushed. I still disagree with how you want to approach lynching by not looking for a strict majority. I still think clarity is scummy looking. But right now, you're being incredibly fishy with your tactics and your statements. Don't forget all the points I brought against you day 1. And the fact that I thought that 1 of either you or debears was likely scum... and debears flipped town. @ sylverfire Ok, I'm dropping all the questions that you are believing is blue hunting. I'm stubborn but I might be reasonable sometimes (note how I also dropped the slips against you). But please take into account that I'm not afraid to take strong stances on controversial positions when see them as scummy positions. I would like you to reconsider your position on which one of Clarity and me is the most scummy. I know I have been aggressive but being accused of blue hunting when I feel that I'm the one doing the most part of the scum hunting in this town was really pissing me off. I'm calmer now | ||
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