EPTWhose Line Is It Anyway? Mafia!
| Forum Index > TL Mafia |
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
| ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On October 30 2012 02:22 gonzaw wrote: /replacement Okay, off to watch the whole 5 seasons of WLIIA? http://www.whoselineonline.org | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On October 31 2012 05:17 syllogism wrote: You clearly don't know anything about the subject. Whether the hype was justified or not, and by the way good luck finding a meteorologist who didn't agree with the hype, it was a very unique system and did billions and billions worth of damage. Being from south Louisiana, I would say I am fairly familiar with hurricanes. Sandy was mostly only "unique" in the time of the year and location it hit. It seemed to have basically the same winds/size/surge/etc as Isaac 2 months ago (Although I think it was moving faster, so maybe didn't dump quite as much precipitation? I think I heard we got something like 25 inches here during Isaac because of how it stalled out so much). The key difference, of course, is that it hit one of the most densely populated areas of the country, and one of the most important cities in the world. Anyways, I hope all our fellow TL'ers are okay. Hurricanes suck, no matter what the situation is. | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On October 31 2012 06:13 Blazinghand wrote: I mean, for what it's worth saying that Sandy is a normal hurricane in a weird place, while accurate, doesn't capture the enormity of what it is. Like, if Hurricane Sandy hit in Idaho there'd be massive property damage because Idaho is not a place that is prepared for hurricanes like, say, Florida is. Hurricanes of that strength and ferocity may hit certain areas with regularity, but NY is not one of those places-- it usually only sees storms like this once every 20+ years. As a result, a lot of damage happens. The media hyped it up, but it's still a dangerous thing, and the fact that other places encounter this more often (places that deal with it regularly and are not as densely populated) is somewhat of a non sequitur. Right, that was basically my point. I think we can all agree that Katrina was a terrible storm. However, Katrina hitting New York could have been the worst natural disaster in the history of the US. Sandy's devastation comes from the area it hit, rather than the storm itself being super terrible. Any hurricane is bad news if its makes landfall at hurricane strength. <3 to you northeasterners. I hope everyone is safe. I know what its like. | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
 | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On October 31 2012 09:07 Blazinghand wrote: Don't worry about spelling, as long as you start with the right letter you're following the rule, right?` Ebviously. | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On October 31 2012 09:12 Chezinu wrote: First time, I have you a warning. Going to have to do something worse this time.., Hopefully nothing too serious. I can't really help it that I got ninjad. Just know ill be working harder to not screw it up now. | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On October 31 2012 09:17 iGrok wrote: Kill me  . Lol i messed it up but im a host so who cares! Mistakes that happen mid-post mean that the next poster just continues on as if the post was correctNinjas suck, eh? Oh well. Probably a good rule. Quick question: does "EBWOP:" count as the start of a sentence for post restriction purposes? | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
| ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On October 31 2012 12:44 Crossfire99 wrote: Gosh, what have we here? How have you not posted on what has happened so far? I seem to remember the talkative little townie in Aperature that wasn't afraid to comment on anything. Keirathi was enjoying some Diablo 3 with a buddy. Looking back over the posts since I chimed it, it doesn't look like theres really a whole lot to comment on. Maybe its just me, but while this posting restriction is very entertaining, its quite hard to say exactly what you mean. | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On October 31 2012 13:16 Adam4167 wrote: EH, now that my hour long self imposed suspension is over for forgetting the letter H in my previous post. Far back on page 6, Broodking, you said you hated people that go back on their word - who has done this and why did it need to be said? Given my ample free time, I examined your 'meta' Broodking. Having never used a pressure OR joke vote before in early D1. I am curious as to why you have decided to pick this game to change your style. Just at a quick glance, your first vote in your previous seven games has always come after the construction of a paragraph or longer case. Now, the real question is: was he scum in any of those games? Obviously, if he wasn't, then maybe you have a leg to stand on, but if he was scum and did the same thing, then you're grasping at straws and changing his playstyle from his scum and town meta both is a 100% null tell. | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On October 31 2012 13:55 Adam4167 wrote: Perhaps click on his profile and check for yourself? Quite simple really. Red he has never been. Sure, I could have checked myself, but you already did the research Totally easier to just ask you to share. | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
| ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
Now, I did comment on the BKE thing. On its own, its not particularly scummy. Particularly, though, the fact that he hasn't done any kind of early pressure vote in any of his last 7 town games is a bit weird. Still, even then I only think its minorly scummy and would never be enough to make me vote him. | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
Either way, though, I am not blue | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On November 01 2012 06:55 Blazinghand wrote: Crossfire, I have no issues with you personally. I don't currently think you're scum. You just need to get your act together. You do realize that posting a massive wall of illegible garbage HURTS town, right? That the reason Mementoss is voting you, even though he thinks you have a good chance of flipping town, is that he literally can't understand what you're saying? As an aside, my posts might not follow the alphabet rule, but i have the correct time between them, and by being clear when I'm not playing along, I'm infinitely more respectful to the spirit of the game than guys who slap letters at the start of their posts. But that' s not even the point. My role PM doesn't say that my job is to earn points in minigames; my Role PM doesn't say that my job is to play in the spirit of WLIIA; my role PM, and your role PMs, if you are town, says you win when all the scum are dead. I will not water down my analysis and play against my win con, and neither should you. The spirit of this game is lynching scum. Anything less than trying your hardest to win is not appropriate. When this can fit into alphabetical order and get the point across, I'll gladly do it. And when it won't, I will, within the guidelines set out in the OPs, not follow the alphabetical order. More specifically regarding your critique of my Adam case, you're missing the point again. Adam does eventually get confrontational (and FourFace was an unbelievably, immeasurably bad player who I believe got banned or something), but as scum he is more cautious. He probes first, then leaps. He is playing with his scum mindset this game, or at least he was while he was still posting in the thread. Look at his opening posts-- the questions, the lack of a commitment, and most importantly the lack of a case and a vote-- this is how he plays as scum. gonzaw-- I'm willing to buy that you did in fact read my post, just not very carefully. I don't know how this seems to be dogmatically in favor of using the 1-hour wait method at all times or the rhyming method at all times. You should read my posts more clearly and think a bit harder about the game. Part of the reason I'm on your ass is that you're not playing like you normally do. This focus from you, and the lack of serious pressure on multiple targets, that's not like you. The gonzaw I know, when he plays town, has fullisades of questions for everyone. Why just this one Keirathi case? Where's your usual constant interrogation and probing of everyone in the town? I remember your posts as being kinda annoying and having formatting issues, and maybe being unfocused, but also being unrelenting in their pressure on multiple targets. What gives? By the way, Mementoss, if your reasoning for voting Crossfire is entirely that he is hard to understand, that's fine, but bear in mind you're basically lynching him for being bad and playing anti-town, but not necessarily for playing like scum. I personally read him as a confused townie who doesn't understand he needs to play to his wincon. He'll shape up. He's not a terrible D1 lynch, but honestly if it comes down to it and nobody wants to go for Adam, I'd rather policy one of these inactive guys than do what's essentially a policy lynch on Crossfire for being illegible. Too many posts not following alphabet guidelines, so I'm not sure what letter we're on. But BH: why so willing to comment on basically everything else except gonzaws points about me? | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On October 31 2012 23:13 Mementoss wrote: Nooooo chezinu ninjad me good thing I checked, I cant do the alphabet very well I have to say it completely out all the time lol. Oh, I agree with that fact that purposely fucking up is scummy because it gives you a free pass not to post, however, BKE seemed to be not understanding the rules at first, and the second time the posts were 3 min apart so its possible for ninja post. Poop, just to clarify this doesn't excuse his ridiuclous joke vote/call out on a "scum slip", it seemed like a desperate attempt to put fault on someone, but he fucked up with the rules. Qonsequently BKE, so far is the only player that stands out to me as somewhat scummy. Reading chezinus last post, I still don't agree with the mass claim idea. Sit will still end up with everyone claiming audience memebers. Tangerine, chezinu, why do you feeld it was nessecary to give the player list :S ? On November 01 2012 06:08 Mementoss wrote: Going to gym, fuck the rules. Only got 5 minutes but would like to comment on a few things. The above is your case against Adam right? I don't consider it the strongest case, as you above seem pretty confident in it, but the fact that he hasn't been back to contribute is pretty un easing. leaning scummy on him right now. I half agree to what you say about crossfire too blazinghand. His posts were unreadable thats for sure. I had to re-read several paragraphs 3 times before I even understood what the point was, and then it didn't even deliverable the point well -_-. This is more likely xfire posting as town because he was being ridiculous, but I also think there is a possibility he started posting these long unreadable fluffy statements, so that maybe someone else would follow his ridiculous posting style and muck up the town completely. Thats scum intereference. Also, he actually looks to the non-reader, that he is contributing more than most, when really, hes more interested in literary skills and looking town, than actually finding scum. ATM I would be happy to vote either Xfire or BKE, (which I stated earlier why I thought his fake joke stuff seemed scummy, while his purposely?? getting restrictions wasn't liekly scummy), could go for Adam too, but I would rather wait for him to come into the thread again before doing that. Gunna lay down a vote Xfire atm. Need to re-read the thread and consider all the options, I have been either asleep or at work for this whole thread thus far. ##Vote Crossfire Xtremely weird change of opinion, there. You go from saying its scummy to blatantly not follow the alphabet rules, to doing it yourself without any indication why you suddenly don't care anymore. Zero sense does that make. | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On November 01 2012 06:55 Blazinghand wrote: gonzaw-- I'm willing to buy that you did in fact read my post, just not very carefully. I don't know how this seems to be dogmatically in favor of using the 1-hour wait method at all times or the rhyming method at all times. You should read my posts more clearly and think a bit harder about the game. Part of the reason I'm on your ass is that you're not playing like you normally do. This focus from you, and the lack of serious pressure on multiple targets, that's not like you. The gonzaw I know, when he plays town, has fullisades of questions for everyone. Why just this one Keirathi case? Where's your usual constant interrogation and probing of everyone in the town? I remember your posts as being kinda annoying and having formatting issues, and maybe being unfocused, but also being unrelenting in their pressure on multiple targets. What gives? Forgive me for not commenting on this sooner sooner, but I just now had the available time to do the research. Go back and look at Aperture 2. He literally made a case/accusation against EVERY SINGLE PLAYER day 1. Its just such a huge disconnect from "everyone is scummy, lets question/accuse them!" to "well, this one guy is kinda scummy because he hasn't posted as much as I expect him to". Just my opinion, but this doesn't really fit the town gonzaw that I remember either. | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
Part 1) I'm not spreading accusations subtly. When I'm asking a question to something like your unexplained change in opinion, or Chezinu calling for a mass blue claim, its because I find them scummy. The point is to get a response to judge if the response is genuine. Everyone occasionally says things that can be taken as scummy, even as town. The key isn't to jump on hte mistake, its to ask why the mistake happened and try to figure out if they're lying. I never pushed more on the Chezinu thing because I don't think Chezinu is going to get lynched today for calling for a mass blue claim. Apparently "It's Chezinu, just ignore him" from other players is a good enough defense. Whatever. About BKE: it doesn't give me an out if he flips red. I quite clearly said I don't think a minorly scummy thing is enough for ME to vote for him. If he flips red, I fulyl expect to get pressured for that. I take full responsibility for everything I say. Part 2) *EVERY* game you've played with me? So...just Liquid City and Aperture 2? Two games that were going on at the exact same time and I had vastly different playstyles and time commitments. Hell, the ONLY thing I did in LC on day 1 was yell at kush a bunch, and throw some weak arguments onto kingjames, then afk for 24+ hours. Part 3) I wouldn't say I'm necessarily active lurking. I've just only been commenting on things that I feel are worth commenting on. And, maybe its an "excuse" but TL was down for half of the day yesterday for me. So meh, whatever. | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
Current (unofficial) vote count: Mementoss (3) - Chezinu, Adam, BKE BKE (2) - Hopeless, S&B Keirathi (2) - gonzaw, Mementoss Adam4167 (1) - Blazinghand Not Voting: Keirathi, Djsingalong, Crossfire I'll talk a bit about each of the candidates: BKE The more BKE posts about his joke vote and TL being down (which, even if the timing doesn't line up with twitter, doesn't really mean anything. I was getting 502's yesterday for 5 hours straight, and when I finally got TL to load again, there were posts that I had missed), and voting pet peeves, or whatever, the more suspicious of him I get. Because that's literally all that he has been talking about. His case and vote on Mementoss was pretty boggling and doesn't really make any sense. Why would he not unvote someone when he has a stronger scum read on someone else? Feels like BKE is just grasping at straws for a reason to move his vote onto someone that has more momentum (and actually put them in the lead to be lynched). Right now, I'm leaning pretty heavily towards a BKE lynch. Mementoss I'm still a little hung up on Mementoss changing his opinion on whether its scummy to break character or not. I feel like it was a bit of "say/do whatever the thread thinks is good!" to buy himself some...well, not really town cred, but just doing whatever other townies are doing so that he doesn't stick out. However, two of the three votes on him are extremely weak (Adam's does at least have some reasonable explanations, even if there are some bad justifications thrown in too (the Djsingalong stuff)), and I'm pretty hesitant to pile on top of them. Chez's vote with no explanation whatsoever, and BKE with a terrible explanation. I'll keep watching Mementoss, but I don't think he should be lynched today. Adam I'm not conviced my Blazinghand's cherry picked meta case, but his point about only taking a single stance via the mementoss case was valid. I don't think Adam is our best choice of lynch today though. If he continues to stay disinterested and passive, then we can talk again. Basically, the only person I would be willing to vote for aside from BKE at this point is gonzaw. BH pointed it out, but gonzaw tunneling one player all day without questioning/attacking/etc other people just isn't gonzaw's town meta. Reminds me a bit of Liar Game, honestly, where he spent so much time working on/sticking to the "plan", while tunneling Cephiro. Take a look at his filters here for Liar Game and here for Aperture 2. Notice how much more time he spends in Aperture 2 being suspicious of EVERYONE until he gets a firm town read on them. That doesn't feel like what he's doing here. @Chezinu/Djsingalong: Where are you guys? Seriously this is pretty ridiculous. Okay, I have an hour timeout now. Hopefully there will be some good discussion and consolidation before I get back. | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On November 02 2012 09:28 Mementoss wrote: F keirathi made that huge discussion vote but still didn't commit to anyone, hes actually set to be modkilled/replaced at this point. Give me a little credit. Had something come up right at the end of my time out, and I had to leave for a while longer. I'll consolidate onto BKE, because I believe that the case against him is stronger than the "case" against you. Just to be clear, though, that whole post was me committing to my reads. ##Vote: BroodKingExe | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
What did you expect me to do? I said 3 hours ago that I was going to vote for BKE unless people would consolidate onto you. Yea, my vote was at the end of the day, but its not like I didn't say I wasn't going to consolidate if I needed to. The only other option was to just not vote and get modkilled; is that what you wanted? I don't understand the faux anger. | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On November 02 2012 10:16 Adam4167 wrote: You did exactly what he expected you to do, you came in, followed your read on BKE, giving him the opportunity to throw away his vote on Mementoss, without risk of having his teammate killed. That might actually be a reasonably explanation. If he wasn't restricted from voting during his timeout, why didn't he vote Mementoss earlier when it would have actually ensured Mementoss's lynch? He only waited until after I had already voted. Hmm... | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
I mean, its not like the points matter anyways, right!? | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On November 03 2012 01:53 Blazinghand wrote: if i give you my points can you use them to kill Adam Maybe you could lay out why you think he's scum in a well laid out case post? I'm just not seeing it, reading through his filter. | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On November 03 2012 04:09 gonzaw wrote: How about not coming with a "ninja-vote" right before the deadline and vote before that? When I was skimming the thread I was too busy trying to figure out the Mementos/BKE issue so I didn't pay much attention to it, but I kind of thought you were getting modkilled/replaced like that Djingu guy. Why didn't you vote BKE when you made that huge post saying you wanted to lynch BKE for instance? Why did you wait until the last second to vote? Because I wanted to see if there was any support for lynching you instead. You still haven't responded to BH's case (or my addition points), btw. Why did you spent so much time tunneling day 1, when your townie meta is to be suspicious of EVERYONE while gradually making town reads? Also, I suggest you read http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=376602&user=265522 Hell, you should probably read Aperture again too, and compare it to Liquid City which was running at the EXACT SAME TIME. Aperture was an anomaly in my play style, not the norm. | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
I can't do anything with them, and I think S&B is probably town. Or at least, nothing he has said this game has made me think otherwise. | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On November 03 2012 04:53 gonzaw wrote: I also clearly am not "tunneling" you if you read my posts correctly. Saying that is a lie, I never tunnel anybody as town(i may be biased though, but I seriously don't think I've tunneled people for the sake of it, unless they were scum), just find them scummy as fuck and want peoples opinions on said player to make up my mind, and post my thoughts on said player and vote the player most likely to flip scum. Maybe tunneling is a bit strong of a word. But, the only person you questioned/accused for 90% of the day was me. Looking back through Not Themed, and Aperture, you were suspicious of everyone and questioning them constantly. You did finally settle on town reads on people and left them alone, but you didn't focus 90% of your attention onto one person at any point of day 1 in those games. | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
Also, huge night plays, if you know what I'm saying. I'd be pretty down with a Mementoss lynch today. The situation around the deadline was pretty fishy, if you know what I mean. | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On November 03 2012 23:11 Mementoss wrote: ask me anything maybe I can clear shit up for you Maybe you could tell us who you think is dirty, if you catch my drift. | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
I ask because some hosts allow passive powers to work through roleblock, and some don't. | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On November 04 2012 04:58 Mementoss wrote: case is bad apparently Lol. ##vote: mementoss | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
How about you answer the questions that you were so willing to be asked? | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
What about the fact that gonzaw was pressuring me all day? Or that, in turn, I wanted to get him lynched? Or that I was willing to hammer BKE, when I could have just voted gonzaw and not cared about which of you two died? There are a lot of things that happened since you made that case, and you literally haven't commented on any of them. Anyone else you find scummy besides me? | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On November 04 2012 07:00 Mementoss wrote: But I already half gave up on this game, because everyone has the mentality come in and make 1 post the whole day saying im voting mementoss, like that is going to catch a scum :S. Its basically some bullshit WIFOM that was probably placed purposely. It only takes 1 wolf in sheeps clothing to lead the herd, if you know what I mean Then fucking do something that makes people think that you are town. You're not doing a good job at it at this point. But since you're here, maybe you can comment on this, since you didn't the first time I mentioned it: On November 02 2012 02:13 Keirathi wrote: Part 2) *EVERY* game you've played with me? So...just Liquid City and Aperture 2? Two games that were going on at the exact same time and I had vastly different playstyles and time commitments. Hell, the ONLY thing I did in LC on day 1 was yell at kush a bunch, and throw some weak arguments onto kingjames, then afk for 24+ hours. | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
Are....are you claiming vig? And that you shot gonzaw? | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
Care to comment on anything? Between you and your predecessor, you have a total of 4 posts in 96 hours of game time. | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On November 04 2012 09:32 Stutters695 wrote: Additionally if you do somehow flip town that'll put a bunch of suspicion on Adam. You haven't really given me any reason to think that you'll flip town though. I'd like to turn my attention to Chezinu though. Care to do something this game other than useless one liners? As an aside, I suck at this, if you know what I mean. (For clarity "this" means the innuendo game.) Why does Mementoss flipping town incriminate Adam? I'm not saying I agree or disagree, I just want to know your thought process behind that statement. | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On November 04 2012 09:39 Keirathi wrote: Why does Mementoss flipping town incriminate Adam? I'm not saying I agree or disagree, I just want to know your thought process behind that statement. EBWOP: Also, why did you ninja vote Mementoss without talking about it here in the thread? Especially considering your only post during the night was talking about Adam vs gonzaw, and that you would vote gonzaw over Adam. Now, Mementoss flipping town would make you suspicious of him? | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On November 04 2012 09:32 Stutters695 wrote: Additionally if you do somehow flip town that'll put a bunch of suspicion on Adam. You haven't really given me any reason to think that you'll flip town though. On November 04 2012 09:59 Stutters695 wrote: I'm not saying a Mementoss town flip incriminates Adam however Mementoss' defense of himself was saying that Adam was forcing a vote between two townies will be evident if Mementoss flips town. I really don't understand what you're saying here. Am I the only one? | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On November 04 2012 10:15 Chezinu wrote: Don't you know that you can ask me questions now? Maybe you could respond to S&B's post? | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
EBWOP: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=16747292 for reference | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On November 04 2012 10:39 Hopeless1der wrote: Yeah, the host, the 4th performer, the remaining 2 musicians and the 4th audience. They're just black because he ran out of colors. Or he's a racist. I dunno which one. So what did you come up with when you were assuming I was scum and looking back through my filter? | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On November 04 2012 10:47 Hopeless1der wrote: That's fine, we'll get to that later. Let me know what you'd like to question me about in the meantime, if you're so inclined. I've got all the answers you're looking for. So, you ostensibly think that I am town, but you came up with a huge list of reasons why I could be scum to set up my lynch if Mementoss flips town? :o | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On November 04 2012 10:59 Hopeless1der wrote: Yes. However, I wouldn't act on them tomorrow unless you did nothing to help town. Being apathetic today doesn't count because we're all looking a little limp, if you know what I'm saying. I...uh...okay? Do I need to explain why that's scummy as hell? Nothing MMToss has done today makes me think that he is town, but you just moved way up my possible scum list. | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On November 04 2012 11:36 Djagulingu wrote: Important posts had no day post so I thought game has yet to start. Already n1 T_T Wat. It's day 2. And you were replaced. | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On November 04 2012 11:45 Blazinghand wrote: Hopeless is 100% town and anyone who thinks he is scum is 100% wrong. Stop wasting your time and mine and hunt real scum, Adam. Hopeless is town. Don't be ridiculous. He's not 100% town, and you insisting that he is is fucking boggling. Even if you're a cop and have a green check on him, he's not 100% town (unless there's something about no godfather or framer that I missed?). I agree that I had a pretty decent town read on Hopeless for most of day 1 (in my top 3 town reads). That series of posts about me, though, literally doesn't make any sense to me from a townie perspective, and it reeks of knowing Mementoss's alignment before hand. If Mementoss had actually been trying to do anything today, I would definitely think about reconsidering my vote and talking about Hopeless a bit. | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On November 04 2012 14:06 Blazinghand wrote: If you would reconsider your vote and talk about hopeless, all it does is waste our time. I guess it tells us a bit about you but that's it. He's town and you're either blind or willfully not seeing that. I don't even get it dude. Whatever, I'm not going to start an argument with you, because I think you're town and have good intentions. And, I don't even think you're necessarily *WRONG* about Hopeless being town, since I've believed he was town most of the game, but the fact that you're unwilling to reevaluate in light of new information just blows my mind. | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On November 04 2012 14:16 Chezinu wrote: You think your mind is blown now, just wait a while...if you know what I mean... MUAHahhahahah! You can blow my mind any day, if you know what I'm sayin. *wink* | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On November 04 2012 14:18 Chezinu wrote: ewwwww! I was thinking more of the lines of explosions.. Even kinkier! | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On November 04 2012 14:19 Chezinu wrote: Who should I put my other bomb that is if I had one which I don't. I mean I shouldn't say other bomb cause that would implied that I had a bomb....oh geezs Bombs are sexy. Also you should put your other bomb on Stutters, or maybe Crossfire. | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On November 04 2012 14:24 Keirathi wrote: Bombs are sexy. Also you should put your other bomb on Stutters, or maybe Crossfire. EBWOP: + Show Spoiler + Did you watch the LSU game?? | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
Sadface | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On November 04 2012 14:20 Blazinghand wrote: I've re-evaluated, and my re-evaluation is that Hopeless is still totally town. I suppose we can agree to disagree, but any vote for Hopeless1 is a vote to lynch a townie, and a vote I cannot abide. Then maybe you can give me a townie motivation for saying "I'm going to do an experiment and put on confirmation-bias goggles to make a case against someone I think is town"? | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On November 04 2012 14:39 Blazinghand wrote: yeah you gotta explore all corners. can't just like get blinded by a townread, dude Which is....exactly what you're doing? | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On November 04 2012 14:39 Blazinghand wrote: yeah you gotta explore all corners. can't just like get blinded by a townread, dude Do you think I am scum, right now? If not, do you think I am scum if Mementoss flips town? What about your thought process behind why the Hopeless thing reaffirms your townie read? I asked you for an opinion on that, not just "yea, I still think Hopeless is town." You're being very hush-hush :o | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On November 04 2012 14:48 Keirathi wrote: Do you think I am scum, right now? If not, do you think I am scum if Mementoss flips town? What about your thought process behind why the Hopeless thing reaffirms your townie read? I asked you for an opinion on that, not just "yea, I still think Hopeless is town." You're being very hush-hush :o EBWOP: What about if Mementoss flips scum? Do you think I could have been Mementoss+gonzaw's partner? Also, I have no idea how many scum to expect in an 11 player game. Such a weird number :o | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On November 04 2012 18:08 strongandbig wrote: Your mind isn't the only thing that blows around here. Wat? | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
EBWOP: anyone around to talk things out? I might be a little drunk, but at least I'm honets. | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On November 05 2012 11:06 Blazinghand wrote: Hopeless is not scum and you are literally 100% wrong if you think he's scum, or want to waste a lynch on him. Anyone who disagrees with me on this will be shot tonight. That is so much bullshit. There is no way Hopeless is 100% town. I don't think he is the best lynch tomorrow, and certainly not today, but if it was LYLO then I would 100% consider voting him. Don't be ridiculous. But, since you're so sure, who is your current choice for third scum after MMToss flips? | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
DST meant the day would have naturally changed from 48 hours to 49. But changing the deadline time from 9pm EST to 10pm EST pushed it back another hour. Yay 50 hour unproductive day! | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On November 05 2012 12:17 Hopeless1der wrote: I like these QT's I like your QT, if you know what I mean. | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
Wat. I thought you thought I was town? And that MAYBE i was scum if MMToss flipped town? Anyways, I'm sending points to S&B again. | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On November 06 2012 08:51 iGrok wrote: 1 hour Hahah what the heck! 9pm deadline day1/night1. 10pm deadline day 2. 8pm deadline night 2. Make up your mind! <3 | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On November 06 2012 09:02 Blazinghand wrote: daylight savings time dude Yes, I realize daylight savings time added an extra hour. Doesn't mean the deadline times had to change though I'm not really complaining because it doesn't make much difference. Just poking fun at iGrok. | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
| ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On November 06 2012 09:22 Blazinghand wrote: No idea. Unrelated note: what are your thoughts on Hopeless1? That there are better targets, but he's not confirmed town. Same as they have been since the last time I mentioned it. | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On November 06 2012 09:28 Blazinghand wrote: You also, btw, can't rule out the possibility of you being shot by scum. So you might want to make that daybreak post anyways. I know i'll be making one. There's literally no way I'll be shot by scum. Don't be silly. | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
| ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
| ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
Anyways, I sent all of my points to S&B (1500). Hopefully there's enough protection on you guys to go around. | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
| ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
| ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
| ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
I already claimed what I did with my points both nights. 500 on night 1 to S&B, 1500 on night 2 to S&B. So, out of curiosity, Hopeless/BH: do you guys have enough points left over to both vig again? I have hatched a crazy plan, but it might be risky? If you can both vig again, we just lynch one of the 3 non-confirmed town today. You both vig the other two tomorrow night. Game over. The caveat is, I dunno if you both have enough points to vig and vet. World's worst holiday? | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
What does withholding how many points you sent gain us? Stutters and I both already claimed how many we sent. It's not like we can go back on our word. I literally can't think of a single reason to not say how many you sent right now, and let s&b confirm it. Worlds worst criminal? | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
Also, yea I didn't think about how scum would have been able to spend their points. Nevermind about the vig plan, it could go horribly wrong the more I think about it. World's worst band? | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
| ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
![[image loading]](http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_gTka0I9Xl-8/SivaWgsqb4I/AAAAAAAABas/uM0ewygZuvo/s400/hangovertiger.jpg) No S&B yet? Also, there hasn't been any extra NKs. I would guess that there isn't a Drew Carey. But if there is, all we know is that he's third party. Could be survivor? World's worth restaurant? | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On November 07 2012 11:43 Hopeless1der wrote: Quarter's Im gonna do some maths and come back in a bit. I think we're at the point where we're going to be random lynching an unknown. Does anyone disagree with my "unknowns" vote a different performer to control the lynch? I'll need to confirm all the points are 'accounted' for, but it seems like there is nothing for scum to gain from another player's lynch today, aside from 1 less townie. World's worst occupation? You didn't ask a worlds worst! All of us are "townies" so should only have had 2000 points (BKE should have had 0 when he was lynched? and Mementoss had 0), and all 6000 of those points are accounted for (assuming you got 1000 points for shooting Adam?). So, your plan doesn't really make any difference. The two of us who are town are certainly not lying, and have 0 points to give to scum, so your plan is pretty irrelevant. Anyway, if thats what people want to do, I don't mind either way. Working on a post about Crossfire and Stutters now. Worlds worst food? | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
Okay, some thoughts about who I think the last scum is. I'm not sure of a better way to do this, so I'm going through both of their filters and just writing my thoughts down as I go: Crossfire: This first thing that sticks out to me is this series of posts regarding BKE: Verily that be, I am fine with jokes, but unsure why the vote in the voting thread was needed if only a joke. Who says that serious posts are the only ones that require thought, brood? Extremely interested in Brood's response (or lack there of) to my post. Feel free to respond soon, brood, or I just might make a "joke" vote on you. Brood, just some helpful tips; remember to refresh before you post because it will save you from all these timeouts. Can't stand to see you have to be silenced so much. Definitely must be frustrating. Kicks in the butt it seems are due because posting seems much too few. Let's restate my opinion on brood because I got nothing better to do. Many found him scummy for his "joke" vote on me. "Not I," said crossfire, because I could clearly see. O how important it is to scribe one's vote in stone. Preventing it from getting lost in this bizzaro zone. Quagmire it might cause, if one is unaccountable for his vote. Really 'tis much a shame that about my poetry skills I cannot gloat. Since I now tire of this arduous task. This rhyme must now in the light of this thread bask. So, this series of posts sticks out because he was okay with the joke vote at first, threatened BKE in the middle for not responding to his question, then lectured him and empathized with him. All while ending up back at not being scummy on the joke vote. Not really overtly scummy...just a weird series of thoughts. This is where it gets interesting, I think: Juicy thoughts some might have when looking at meta to determine alignment. Kill this I must. Let's all take meta with a grain of salt. My meta is completely destroyed because this game makes it much too fun to post all these sentences with ascending acrostic alphabetic beginnings. No, I say look at one's posts in this game to determine alignment. Okay, first he dismisses any kind of meta arguments because of the flavor of the game, and that we should be using people's posts in the game to determine their alignment. I don't think I have to say why that comes across as scummy. No townie should care if people look at their meta, because making meta reads isn't about the manner in which someone posts, its about a pattern of how they ACT as scum or town. Then, of course, his posts were overly vague and hard to read this game to begin with. Not going to talk about the role PM stuff, since S&B already did that. One other thing that I wanted to point out, though, is that he claimed audience member here: On October 31 2012 23:26 Crossfire99 wrote: Ah, a wild Chezinu appears! Before it gets too long I must catch up to post my thoughts. Chezinu, if I include myself along with you, audience members now number two. But "didn't read his role PM" until here: On November 01 2012 01:50 Crossfire99 wrote: Xfire has now checked his role PM, so his win condition is clear to him. You will no longer see that from me because I guess I do have the possibility of playing against my role PM. Zorry for that, strong. after he was already called out for it. I think this is the most damning thing to me. What kind of VT claims VT, then LATER claims that he just now read his role PM? It just doesn't make any sense to me. Moving on: On November 01 2012 03:28 Crossfire99 wrote: Your idea to put letters in front of your sentences is a nice idea gonzaw, but I don't like it; it's too inelegant. Zing, I just realized that you got ninja'd and put those letters in front, so you didn't lose your post; nice save (too bad you misplaced the F). And I do believe you make good points on Keirathi. By his posting, he has revealed very little. Cutting to the chase, I like Keirathi as scum more than anyone else at the moment. Doh, I won't vote for him yet until he has had a chance to prove himself, but if i don't like his contribution when he comes back, I'll vote for him barring any other obvious scummy behavior. Okay, so I'm his top scum read for not contributing much. All well and good. Then this series of events: On November 01 2012 06:20 Crossfire99 wrote: P.S. I just saw this beauty by Mementoss Yeah, so you see me as more likely town, so you vote for me? -_- ??????? That's not scummy at all... On November 01 2012 12:08 Crossfire99 wrote: Haha, don't make me laugh, mementoss; I read your post and now I guess I need to explain it to you. I agree I could have explained myself better; I got carried away in the beginning of this game and will try to do better going forward. Judging right here that even with all that crap I wrote which was confusing and weird, you think that is is more likely that I am town. Let me explain what "more likely" means. "More likely" means that given two options, one has a better chance of being true when compared to the other. Now you already stated that it is more likely that I am town, but now you need to say what the other option is, (the option that has a worse chance of being true). Oh, here you explain what that option with the worse chance of being true is; the option in which I am scum. Proved I just did why your vote doesn't line up with your thought. Questioning my alignment is good. Revealing that you think it is more probable that I am town than scum and then voting for me is bad reasoning for a vote. So I hope I explained that well enough to your likening, mementoss. Then when you go to defend yourself, you say you're voting me because you could see me doing what i did as scum but its not a strong read. Uh huh, yeah you kinda already said that and I kinda already said why it's crazy using your words of "more likely xfire posting as town." Voting for me while thinking I'm more likely town than scum is scummy. Into a vote on Mementoss: On November 02 2012 07:15 Crossfire99 wrote: Zero time I have, so I have to make this quick. All I got right now is that mementoss is still scummy. Bad case on keirathi plus the fact that he ignored my case on him and just gave a little throwaway line about how that post doesn't help determine my alignment. Can't really say what's going on with Brood right now because it seems like he is having a lot of brain farts this game, which makes reading him very confusing. Does that mean he is scum or town? Eh, I'm not sure right now. For realz, though, mementoss is scum and you should be voting for him, too. ##Vote: Mementoss Okay, first off, he got suspicious of Mementoss for calling him town and then voting him anyways. Why wasn't that mentioned in this vote post? Also, he mentions the "bad" case on me, without ever giving any reasoning why. So, what was wrong with the case? + Show Spoiler [Mementoss's case against me] + On November 02 2012 01:52 Mementoss wrote: Keirathi Okay so some preface, I think Keirathi has been slipping through this game without being mentioned too much. So I decided to look at his filter and noticed some scummy things. Lets go through it. Part I: Spreading Accusations All game, Keirethi has been spreading accusations very very subtly while never going deeper into them, he has yet to give a strong opinion that he thinks would be good for a lynch. Overall, hes looking active while not doing anything to push a scum lynch. His play seems to represent someone that doesn't care who gets lynched at all. Lets look at a couple examples of this: His questions at chezinu seem to hint that he thinks what he is doing is scummy and pushing scum agenda, yet he just calls him ut on an anti town plan and never follows up. He says on its own its not scummy, than hints that his meta doesn't match so its a bit "weird". Never commits completely to his opinion on thinking hes scummy, but ends with scummy but not enough to vote him. Gives him an out if he flips red, that he didn't defend him he just couldnt make up his mind. Again says its weird, not scummy. Just says it makes zero sense. Keirathi has zero desire to get a lynch going today, and he is afraid to commit. Hes leaving himself many avenues open for later when he decides to vote. Again spreading some suspicion on gonzaw. Not saying hes scummy per sae but saying his meta doesn't fit aperature 2. And ALSO he doesn't mention that gonzaw was traitor in aperture 2, and he won with scum, so this meta doesn't even make sense. He doesn't follow up with in game evidence or even ask gonzaw to clarify anything. This brings me to my next point. Part II - Doesn't fit the meta Every game I have played with Keirathi he has been very active and has been a major part in pushing discussion. Even if hes not scumhunting hes pushing discussion in strategic ways. This game has been the very opposite. He is a commentator, active, without pushing discussion to actually find scum. That is all I have to say on this, because meta should just be a supportable part not the main part of a case. Part III - Active Lurker Keirathi has been actually quite active in this game at many times, however he has only put down a few lines every time he has been here, and choses not to discuss the current parts of the thread. He timeline seems to sprinkle at many times in the thread, indicating he is chosing not to contribute in his normal town manner, or he doesn't overly care about finding scum. Just to separate himself from the major lurkers in this game. He also has been excessively lazy this game and making excuses. He is apathetic. He knows better than this, there is never gunna be anyting to comment on unless you push the discussion, which keirathi has not beeen trying to do like his normal town self. Making an excuse to blame the mechanics for not posting. ##Unvote ##Vote: Keirathi [-] Other stuff: Alright so Im still not sure on crossfire, but I think there are more likely places to catch scum than him so im taking my vote off him. I can see what hes doing from both alignments, so I shouldn't make a solid choice on only that. His reaction didn't really lead me any further with more of an opinion on him. Probably 2nd scummiest player imo is BKE, I agree with SnB on his thoughts on him. Dingaling, is also an option but it would be strictly policy lynch at this point. I think he is more likely unactive than lurking. When is deadline? 10 hours? We need to somewhat start consolidating or discussing your straight up two best scum reads asaply. Basically Mementoss's whole case boiled down to, IMO, me not contributing very much. Just using specific ways that I wasn't contributing. So why was MMToss's case against me bad, especially considering that was why Xfire previously considered me his top scum read? I was going to some point-by-point discussion of stutters too, but the only thing that I can really see being overly scum-oriented was Djagulingu coming in and making that one sole post during day1, and then later saying "Oh, I got my role PM but didn't realize the game had started" after he had already been replaced. Stutters' analysis of Crossfire here also comes off pretty townie: + Show Spoiler + On November 05 2012 06:58 Stutters695 wrote: I'm becoming more suspicious of Crossfire for a few reasons you didn't mention as well as some of your own. I agree with your analysis of his fluff and the strangeness of the meta comment but I don't think the thing about the role PM is really indicative at all. In the newbie games I've played a few people have done that or at least said they were going to do that resulted in it being a null tell. I can't see anything that we could use to figure out his role. One more speculative addition to the meta comment though is that he has no scum games to begin with.so it would make sense to me that he would try to preemptively point out the deviation from his town meta since he can't fall back on "this isn't my scum meta either." I don't really consider that strong at all. Now my additional points (since you covered the major concrete stuff) are mostly speculation based off of the assumption that there is no way in hell Mementoss will flip town with his d2 play. On the very small offchance he doesn't my focus would immediately shift to Adam. This + Show Spoiler + On November 01 2012 12:08 Crossfire99 wrote: Haha, don't make me laugh, mementoss; I read your post and now I guess I need to explain it to you. I agree I could have explained myself better; I got carried away in the beginning of this game and will try to do better going forward. Judging right here that even with all that crap I wrote which was confusing and weird, you think that is is more likely that I am town. Let me explain what "more likely" means. "More likely" means that given two options, one has a better chance of being true when compared to the other. Now you already stated that it is more likely that I am town, but now you need to say what the other option is, (the option that has a worse chance of being true). Oh, here you explain what that option with the worse chance of being true is; the option in which I am scum. Proved I just did why your vote doesn't line up with your thought. Questioning my alignment is good. Revealing that you think it is more probable that I am town than scum and then voting for me is bad reasoning for a vote. So I hope I explained that well enough to your likening, mementoss. Then when you go to defend yourself, you say you're voting me because you could see me doing what i did as scum but its not a strong read. Uh huh, yeah you kinda already said that and I kinda already said why it's crazy using your words of "more likely xfire posting as town." Voting for me while thinking I'm more likely town than scum is scummy. the post after Cross calls him out initially). In addition to a case being based off of a debatable interpretation the whole thing feels somewhat orchestrated to me. He throws some big posts around that accuse Mementoss without really challenging him. It makes him still appear confrontational but in those two giant posts he doesn't accuse him of being scum outside of an offhanded comment when he first calls him out. Finally, he doesn't even vote him until a day later when the deadline is approaching and he hasn't given any analysis on someone else to avoid voting Mementoss. If that line was so scummy why wouldn't he have voted him at the time and tried to get an answer instead of waiting? The only thing that really gives me pause to this idea is both that his vote actually put Mementoss ahead 4-3 and this feels somewhat elaborate and unnecessary at the time. The delayed vote and the weakness of why he is voting him while claiming that BKExe's "brain farts" make him a null tell feels off. Moving past this post however his only comments since then have all revolved around either his "case" or how he thinks Adam is right calling BS on the Keirathi case. Feels to me like he is trying to ride that "case" as long as he can for town cred without actually contributing. All of these things together just feels too off to me for him to be town. Townies obviously make mistakes but I'm struggling to find town motivation for all of these topics. He clearly explains his reasoning about individual pieces of evidence and comes to the conclusion that Crossfire is scum. Going back through gonzaw and Mementoss's filters: Gonzaw: Never mentioned Crossfire once. Only mention of Djagulingu was "We could lynch that guy for doing nothing but parking a vote on Chezinu." Mementoss: Small accusation against Djagulingu, comparing his pre-game attitude vs complete inactivity day 1. Case against Crossfire. Changes his mind about it extremely quickly without ever really pushing it, however, into a vote for me. On the one hand, there was very little reference to Djagulingu by either of them. But, not a whole lot of interaction between them and Crossfire either. What little was there definitely could have been manufactured. Meh, I honestly don't know who the last scum is. If this was 2-1 LYLO and I was the deciding vote, I *THINK* I would pick Crossfire. The amount of weird things in his filter just push me more towards him. I don't like the fact that neither Mementoss or gonzaw really commented on Djagulingu though, especially when he was hardcore lurking and should have been an "easy" lynch. Bleh, I'm indecisive. Worlds worst dance? | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On November 07 2012 13:51 Blazinghand wrote: Starbucks! Blues should not claim names. There's literally no benefit to it. All it does is let you know who you're up against if you counterclaim, Crossfire. There's no need to give you that information. ##vote: Crossfire World's worst furniture classification? Furniture Classification: Bean-Bag "Chair"? (Not really sure what you mean with this one. I assume something that people call furniture but isn't?) I understand your point that there's no benefit to claiming. But, its literally impossible for any of the 3 of us to counter-claim. Unless we claim a blue that has given up all of our points and not used any for ourselves. Worlds worst vehicle? | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On November 07 2012 15:04 Blazinghand wrote: Arial narrow. I've confirmed with S&B. He, Hopeless1 and I all have the correct names. World's worst voip program? Roger Wilco So, any consensus on if we (the "unconfirmeds") should vote onto the blues? Worlds worst video game? | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
)Sounds good to me. ##Vote: Crossfire99 Worlds worst policeman? | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On November 08 2012 03:51 Hopeless1der wrote: The Governator Is there anything left to discuss? Stutters is our lynch, yes? Am I overlooking anything based on what we know today? (Presumably, save all modkill discussion for AFTER the game) World's Worst Sport? Nascar. I'm voting Stutters. If S&B is scum, then he's already won the game with some amazing play, and my hats off to him. Worlds worst President/Prime Minister/Ruler/etc? | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
There's no way S&B as scum would shoot me. I would be his only mislynch opportunity, if you were dead. He would either try to shoot one of BH/Hopeless, or he would just forgo using a kill at all. At which point, it would either be 2-1 or 3-1, with an "unknown" still alive. No way BH/Hopeless vote for S&B over me (or you) in that case. IE, if S&B is scum, he's basically already won. Worlds worst celebrity? | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On November 08 2012 07:28 Blazinghand wrote: Orson Scott Card. He's totally overrated. For what it's worth, if I weren't already using my DT check on Kei, i'd be lynching him over you. World's worst masonry? Freemasonry Any you would be wrong. Which is why this game is mindfucking me. As much as I should, I'm not entirely convinced that Stutters is scum. Of course, there are things like: If we're confident that we don't have a Drew Carey I'm fine with that plan. I'll flip VT but we'll win either way so what does it really matter. If we're not 100% sure on DC I'd really urge you guys to consider voting someone you feel is the most scummy rather than me because I didn't send all of the points (Again up until your post I had no idea how they worked). I feel I've been transparent with my actions. Honestly, as long as we don't lynch me today this game is over. I'm vt and the only reason at all I can think of for Scum not conceding is the hope that a) drew Carey exists and can kill with points and b) the Scum can make themself immune to a night kill. If that happened and you lynch me you have to hope they can't use their points for a vet life/you hit the one who isn't immune. If you shoot the immune guy it would end up being 2-1-1 or 1-1-1. 2-1-1 still results in a win but 1-1-1 gets crazy. Which show that he doesn't REALLY care which one of the two of us (me and Crossfire) got lynched today, as long as it wasn't him. But, hell, I've felt the same. I would have certainly rather Crossfire or Stutters died before me, and I wasn't super convinced of either one. But, he has multiple posts that feel distinctly townie. His whole post analyzing Crossfire, formulating town win plans, etc. Blargggggjalkjsldkjasljdlajskdjalsdjkasds Worlds worst number? | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
| ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
Anyways, good game S&B. Well played. | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
##Give 100 Dollars: Hopeless1der If I'm getting vigged, I pray to god you both have enough for to vet and survive the night. Divvy up the money however you can use it. | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On November 08 2012 11:04 Blazinghand wrote: Keirathi is trying to play us into shooting S&B so he can shoot one of us and get a draw tomorrow. Don't be swayed. I don't think you should shoot S&B. But, shooting me if you can't both survive is suicide. What if I'm not scum? Have you even considered the possibility? Meh, I honestly don't even blame you. There's no way that I'm going to survive the day and night, because this game devolved into follow the blues, and we all fed S&B shit-tons of points. It's my fault as much as anyone's. He played well. Game is over. | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On November 08 2012 11:13 Blazinghand wrote: Keirathi, I don't need to consider the possibility, because it's not a possibility. You literally must be scum. Hopeless1 is mod-confirmed town to me. S&B claimed the correct name to me in the thread and has been using his points for the town. Stick a fork in you, you're done. I don't know why you stalled this long but the game is over in 24 hours. Trust me, I understand you're position. But you're wrong because you're blinded by the blue claim. Its cool though, I understand. I'm not going to argue about it because it's just going to frustrate me and I'm going to end up saying something I regret. If you've ever trusted anything I've ever said in any mafia game ever, trust this: you and Hopeless both need to vet tonight. even if you're vigging me. If you don't because you are so sure that I am scum, I blame you 100% for the loss. | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
If you don't, your fault. | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On November 08 2012 11:25 Blazinghand wrote: Bleagh I don't really know why I'm talking to you anyways. See you in the post-game chat. Hopeless or S&B 150 would let me Veteran, and 400 would let me Veteran *and* roleblock Keirathi to stop any shenanigans tonight. Make sure to mention it in the thread when you give me points so you don't both do it. Make sure you still have enough points to Veteran + Vigi, Hopeless, and you still have enough points to Vigi, S&B. I'll be checking in occasionally. I want to rage at you so hard right now. If you and Hopeless both have enough points to vet tonight and tomorrow night, but not enough to vig me, I'LL FUCKING VOTE FOR MYSELF TOMORROW. At worst, S&B had a 33% chance of guessing the correct name since BKE was already dead. At best, he had 100% because iGrok told him which performer wasn't in the game. Where have all of his points that we've fed him gone? Not a single verifiable thing. FA:LKJSADOOAAISJLDKAJLSLDA So frustrating that this game devolved into Follow the Blues, and S&B was the smartest and claimed first. I'm going to just close the thread and check back after the day post tomorrow. I really hope you are smart, BH. I know you have some modicum of intelligence there somewhere. Not vetting would be the dumbest thing you could possible do. | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On November 08 2012 11:38 Blazinghand wrote: See you after the flip, Keirathi. You are a pretty convincing guy, but really there's zero way you're town. That's fine. Just promise me you are vetting. For the love of god, just promise me that. | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On November 08 2012 11:34 Keirathi wrote: I want to rage at you so hard right now. If you and Hopeless both have enough points to vet tonight and tomorrow night, but not enough to vig me, I'LL FUCKING VOTE FOR MYSELF TOMORROW. At worst, S&B had a 33% chance of guessing the correct name since BKE was already dead. At best, he had 100% because iGrok told him which performer wasn't in the game. Where have all of his points that we've fed him gone? Not a single verifiable thing. FA:LKJSADOOAAISJLDKAJLSLDA So frustrating that this game devolved into Follow the Blues, and S&B was the smartest and claimed first. I'm going to just close the thread and check back after the day post tomorrow. I really hope you are smart, BH. I know you have some modicum of intelligence there somewhere. Not vetting would be the dumbest thing you could possible do. Bleh, I can't leave this alone. I want to elaborate a bit more. I don't expect you to believe me that S&B is scum and that I'm an audience member. I fully, 100% expect to have to flip before that happens. I just beg you, for the love of god, that you do whatever you can to survive until after I flip. Be it if you vig me, or if you lynch me tomorrow (in which case I will vote for myself, 100%, no questions asked). Just please do whatever you can to survive until at least tomorrow (and hopefully have enough points to survive another night too.) | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
##Give all Points/Dollars: Hopeless1der | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
| ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
F5F5F5. I wonder how many times I will hit it before the day post... | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
| ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
Since you both have enough points to vig and vet tonight, I propose a plan: One of you shoot S&B, one of you shoot me. Now, why would I propose this? An insurance policy. S&B should only have had 2600 points coming into tonight. Pts | Claim N1: 1000 | earned myself 1000 | xfire 500 | Keirathi (confirmed-ish) 500 | stutters Total points after N1: 3000 Points used N1: 1000 (tracker, veteran) N2: 1000 | earned myself 1500 | keirathi (confirmed-ish) 1000 | stutters 1000 | xfire Total points after N2: 6500 Points used N2: 5000 Total points after N2: 1500 As I was researching this post, I noticed that things didn't add up, so I PM'd iGrok and added 1000 | Adam (in thread on day 1) Apparently I should have had 1000 more points day1 than I actually did. So now I have 2500 points. So 2500 points. And he got $100 for the Stutters lynch. So 2600 points. He sent BH 150, and Hopeless 1050, so he should have 1300 points left. Which means he has enough to vig me, but not enough to vet too. Okay, I know you're saying "Keir, why are you proposing a situation like that when I know that you are scum?" But if you ARE right, and I am scum and S&B is town, then tonight I'm going to get roleblocked by you, and vigged by all 3 of you. What does it hurt to throw one of those vigs at S&B? You kill him off too (since he theoretically shouldn't have enough points to vet), and guarantee the town win (in the rare case that you are wrong about me). Again, I hear you saying "Keir, don't think I'm a fool. You want us to kill S&B for you, then you have enough points to survive our shots and kill off one of us (BH/Hopeless), and win the game." So, lets think about that for a bit. If I'm scum, and Mementoss and gonzaw both fed me whatever points they had, the maximum amount of points I could have had coming into tonight was: Day 1: 1000 me 1000 mementoss 1000 gonzaw Day 2: 1000 me Day 3: 100 me. So at most I could have had 4100 points. S&B confirmed that I've sent him 2000. And you two can confirm that I sent Hopeless 100. So at most, I have 2000 points. And I shot S&B night 1, and BH night 2. Maybe those are factional and I didn't have to spend any points though. So lets assume that I had 2000 points in the bank and used them before I said ##Give all Hopeless. I don't know how your points work, but is 2000 points enough for me to: 1) get roleblocked, 2) get double vigged and live (S&B + one of you two), AND 3) have enough points left over to guarantee that a kill goes through on both of you when you're both vetted? I don't think it is. So please, at least read this with an objective mind. It doesn't make any sense for the two of you not to take out an insurance policy and one of you shoot S&B tonight too. | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
WHAT IF you are wrong. Take the insurance policy and make sure you win. Don't get so set in your knowledge that you are right, that you are blinded to the possibility, however slim, of being wrong. Make the safe play. Make the SMART play. | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On November 09 2012 10:38 Hopeless1der wrote: I CAN DO MATH TOO!! | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On November 09 2012 10:39 Blazinghand wrote: Keirathi, your meddling will not work. Hopeless, if you don't get mod confirmation in time, just sent in the vet and shot night actions anyways and when igrok reads his pms he'll know what you meant. DO NOT shoot S&B. shoot Keirathi. Whatever. When you lose for this idiotic decision because you believe you are infallible, you can apologize to me in post-game. | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On November 09 2012 10:44 Blazinghand wrote: Keirathi's just mad his meddling isn't working. He's not a bad actor. Shoot him. Shoot him dead. Yes. Shoot me. But shoot S&B too. Anything less is just plain bad play. | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On November 09 2012 10:46 Blazinghand wrote: He's like 100% trying to get us to only put one shot on him, because he has vet status What. If I'm scum, then S&B is shooting me. As are one of you two. That means I would still have to survive 2 shots (or RB one of them) *AND* have enough points to Vig you. Basically, in your scenario, I have to have enough points to vet, RB, and vig, AND have free factional KP. You know exactly how many points I could possibly have. Every single other point in this game is accounted for besides the 2000 from mementoss and gonzaw day 1. | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
Assuming BH is being as moronic as I think he was, then GG S&B. Well played with the "irrefutable" blue claim and unverifiable actions. | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On November 09 2012 11:07 Blazinghand wrote: Nice ploy Keirathi but it's too late to change night actions now! I know. And that's why I said it. Because you're wrong, and you should feel bad. Also you should give your own props to S&B for fooling you so completely that you won't even refute the math. | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On November 09 2012 11:09 Blazinghand wrote: Lol it's kinda funny how angry you were this game. I suppose I should apologize for playing so well? Angry I was this game? I was angry in GSL 3. I didn't rage even once this game until just now because you've got your head so far up your ass that you can't even see daylight. | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On November 09 2012 11:12 Blazinghand wrote: Seriously dude Keirathi sorry if this all goes badly and scum wins. But I did what was necessary. I always do. You didn't do what was necessary. You did what was easy. You Occam's Razored yourself into believing you were 100% right and there was no possible way you could be wrong. S&B played extremely well. He had the Wayne Brady fake claim, and using that, scum withheld KP night 1 to give him some validity to his claim. Nothing else that he has done has been verifiable at all. The math says I only had max 2000 points. How did I roleblock + vet + vig one of you? How much does that cost? (I'm honestly VT, and since the deadline is up, I'm asking you honestly). | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
| ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
| ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
| ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
| ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On November 09 2012 11:55 Hopeless1der wrote: dat F5 Damn you. | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
This is going to be crazy I hope we come to an agreement And not settle for just being lazy I'm totes an audience member Let's make sure that we're not wrong One hell of a game, but all that remains Is for both of us to vote Strong. Oh, ei-didie-didie-didie-didie-didie-didie! ##vote strongandbig | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
But i'm getting ready for sleep I'm not sure what to talk about until from Strong we hear a peep I'd like to know why He send fake points to Hope Did iGrok just not see? Or does Strong think we're dopes? Oh, ei-didie-didie-didie-didie-didie-didie! | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On November 10 2012 01:10 strongandbig wrote: that was a lot of unnecessary work then yes, yes it was. | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
| ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
GG S&B. You deserved to win. | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
| ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
| ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
1. OP Each day the four Performers will receive new roles. Not "The Performers". It says "The FOUR Performers" That's why I didn't give much thought to S&B fake claiming. The OP is misleading as fuck. 2. Inconsistent Deadlines I understand people are busy. But lets take a look at when each day/night post went up: On October 31 2012 10:34 iGrok wrote: Day 1 (You said day was going to be a bit late, and that the day would be 47.5 hours instead of 48. Cool.) On November 02 2012 10:05 iGrok wrote: Night 1 On November 03 2012 11:09 iGrok wrote: Day 2 Again, said day post would be late, but that actions ended at the correct time. On November 05 2012 12:17 iGrok wrote: Night 2 On November 06 2012 10:48 iGrok wrote: Day 3 On November 08 2012 11:01 iGrok wrote: Night 3 On November 09 2012 11:59 iGrok wrote: Day 4 Look at how inconsistent those timestamps are. Like I said, I understand that people are busy. But that's what co-hosts are for. Its not fun playing when deadlines keep changing. 3. Night 1 That was complete and utter bullshit. Yea, I read that you "strictly enforce the rules". You also pushed the game start back BECAUSE TL WAS HAVING PROBLEMS. TL might have only officially been down for "20 minutes" or whatever, but just because you were able to get here doesn't mean that everyone could. I had a period of 5 hours or so one day where I couldn't connect to the site, but when I came back there were posts that I had missed. Scum specifically said what they wanted to do in the QT. I would have (and they should have) 100% conceded right there. About last night: mistakes happen. Not a big deal. I fully expected that the game was over, although I tried my damnedest to make Hopeless/BH see that I had a townie mindset, coming up with insurance plans and whatever else I could do to make sure that they would survive. But, this game was still imbalanced. Everyone has already pointed it out. With better town play, we should have had virtually 0% chance of losing, rather than a coinflip on who takes what actions in the last night. All in all, thanks for the game, iGrok, but I won't be playing in another of yours. | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On November 10 2012 03:17 Blazinghand wrote: Gonzaw the reason you looked scummy is your analysis and your play was very different from your town play. You pressure multiple people and post big old multi-pronged walls of text as town. I mean yeah that thing with the fake bad post and the voting at the end of D1 did you no favors but you were my top scumread. ^^^ | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On November 10 2012 03:24 gonzaw wrote: Before that all the accusations against me were pretty weak to be honest. "You are not pressuring many people!" is not strong at all and I can easily push it apart by saying "I'm busy" or "there wasn't much going on when I was posting" (which was true, when I was posting only Xfire and BH were active, then I went to sleep and went to uni almost immediately). I think even Keirathi was having second thoughts about it at some points. If it wasn't for the end-D1 thing I don't think I'd have much trouble staying alive. ...well, yeah you were vig and maybe that "weak" reason was enough for you to think I was scum and vig shoot me. However when I play I tend to ignore the possibilities of the single guy that thinks I'm scum but can't convince others being vig and shooting me (if not I'd get pretty paranoid each game). If you think I'm scum but can't convince others then I don't think I'm in any danger (or if I think you could not convince others or the reasons for that I can refute). If you weren't vig I think I could have gotten away with the end-D1 thing too, if I put quite an effort in it. If it wasn't for the restriction it would have been easier though :/ One positive thing about this game: Watching Keirathi get mindfucked and angry at BH in that last day Nah, the more I went back and read your town games, the more convinced I was. You were acting 99.9% differently than you have in any recent town game, and spent almost all of your time tunneling me. Town gonzaw is suspicious of everyone until he has a good reason not to be, and even if he's fairly sure of a scum read, he still questions the shit out of other people. Basically, your play this game was much, much, much more similar to your play in Liar Game than it was in any of your town games that I read. | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
| ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
| ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
| ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On November 10 2012 04:04 syllogism wrote: Complaining about inconsistent deadlines when you were just a VT and it didn't affect you at all is very unnecessary I guess I can respond to this, since it is the point I was least upset about. It just annoyed me. When I sign up for a game, I make an effort to be here for all of the deadlines. I change around IRL things if I have to (and can). One day in particular, I had an hour before deadline and a friend called and wanted to hang out. I made an excuse, and told him I would be an hour or so, then I'd ride over. The post ended up being like 45 minutes late. I understand, that's not a big deal and I should have just left, but hosting is a commitment just as much as playing is. If you can't meet that commitment, that's what co-hosts are for. | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
| ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On November 10 2012 04:16 Crossfire99 wrote: Lol. He pushed Adam so hard because he wanted to vig gonzaw. It was purely for WIFOM that he did that. I meant on day 2/night 2, after gonzaw was dead. | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
Were you already planning on shooting S&B when stutters flipped town (IE did you think I was town), or did the things I said in the night about ensuring that you were both vetting make up your mind? When you said: On November 08 2012 13:47 Blazinghand wrote: Ok, that gives me enough for both a RB and a Veteran usage. However, what I'd really like to do is also afford a Mirror. S&B I dunno how many points you have but in terms of Veteran usage you really don't need it since any end-game win from Keirathi is based on mislynching you. If you have 500 extra points and could send them my way that would be great. Hopeless1, you have enough points to shoot Keirathi and Vet yourself, right? I was starting to have hope that you yelling to kill me was an act and you were suspicious of S&B too, but couldn't think of a way to say that without being obvious. And when S&B gave Hopeless the 1050 points, I saw the opportunity and took my shot that you both had a vig and that both of us would die. Of course, my assumption was incorrect because Vet carried over until it was actually used, but I was hopeful that I was being desperate enough that you could at least potentially believe me. Which is, I guess, why I got frustrated when you stuck to your guns, although I realize you really had no other choice. | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On November 10 2012 04:36 Blazinghand wrote: I was planning to shoot S&B probably 5-6 hours before the Stutters flip. He made a post in our Mason QT that basically revealed him to be scum. I ##involved you hoping to gain enough points to shoot and roleblock S&B, but this night used $ instead of points so I had to ask S&B for the points to shoot him with. Everything I said over the course of the night was basically lying to try to get S&B to drop his guard and not vet himself that night. Sorry, you never really convinced me-- you weren't particularly scummy, but you were the "unconfirmed town". S&B was playing a little bit scummily though, and basically he made a mistake in the QT. If it weren't for that, I may not have shot him. Ah okey, I was hoping but of course I wasn't sure. Well, my goal wasn't really to "convince you" that I was town. My goal was to convince you both to do whatever it took to ensure that you won, particularly that you should both vet. | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On November 10 2012 05:11 Blazinghand wrote: You can't share points via posting in the thread-- you have to PM. I assume things posted in the thread about point sharing have no impact on the game. I'm almost 100% positive that you could give them publicly in the thread, OR privately in PM. Look at what iGrok responded with when I first gave points to S&B on night 1, before I PM'd him: On November 03 2012 01:24 iGrok wrote: You have to list the # of points you are giving if you want to do it that way. You can also send points via PM to me. Example: ##Give 500 Points: Mattchew Key word: also. Did Hopeless get my 100 points after the Stutters lynch? Because I never PM'd iGrok those points, I just did it in the thread. | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On November 10 2012 05:19 Crossfire99 wrote: P.S. I came up with a game breaking strategy involving just points that iGrok wouldn't let me do for obvious reasons. I came up with a game breaking strategy that was shot down too | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On November 10 2012 05:21 Hopeless1der wrote: Yes, I got those points from Keir. No wait, I got $100. Right, thats what I mean. $100. | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
I wanted BH/Hopeless to pressure S&B into making him ##Give all Points: BH. Obviously he wouldn't have been able to refuse to do it, because that would have been suspicious as hell. But, he claimed exactly how many points he should have had (2600). If had any more or less than that, then he was lying, which gives a seed of doubt about him. When he sent them, I would have suggested that BH/Hopeless vig both of us. It fell apart and I never suggested it, though, because iGrok confirmed that you use up your points as soon as you PM him an action, rather than actions/point withdrawals happening at the end of the night cycle (which was how I assumed it work, since that would leave room for changing your mind). | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
Saying "##give 1000 points: blazinghand in increments of 100" is the exact same thing as saying "##give 100 points: blazinghand" 10 times. The second is valid, but annoying spam in the thread/hosts inbox. | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
| ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On November 10 2012 09:22 BroodKingEXE wrote: TBH I didnt think I was gonna get lynched. I was expecting gonzaw to vote for MMT, he clearly had a town read on me. It totally caught me off guard. I mean you saw what happened with Gonzaw and MMT, because of it. I said a few hours before the lynch that I was going to vote you unless people decided they wanted to follow BH onto gonzaw. | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On November 10 2012 10:29 Blazinghand wrote: I personally had a blast this game but that's just me I guess You are an anomaly. | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On November 10 2012 10:36 Blazinghand wrote: I got to shoot like 3 dudes it was awesome I didn't get to shoot any dudes! And I didn't even get to die Also I have no idea why I was going to be shot night 1. :o | ||
| ||
