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On October 27 2012 01:34 nackhtjogger wrote: /in hey man i pm'd you | ||
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On November 01 2012 08:35 kushm4sta wrote: To the people saying millers shouldn't claim: You are wrong. If I were scum I would be pretty happy with nk confirmed town. That is what is so good about the miller claim. It's confirmed by the second miller. Scum can never claim miller unless one of the millers is already dead. _____ OK maybe mass claim is a bad idea because of blues.. I wasn't thinking that. How about they name claim anyway though and we can all judge the validity of their name claim without revealing ours. kush miller =/= mason lol | ||
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thinking prplhz meant mason when he said miller is what kush did, i even did it to for a while... i don't see how it even comes close to [i[being deceitful[/i] | ||
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On November 01 2012 10:09 Release wrote: I highly doubt that you "mixed up" their names because things like that tend to get checked, which leads me to believe you said such things on purpose. and I highly doubt you would actually think this | ||
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regardless I think you picked the right one to vote for | ||
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I don't see how you can have a town read on kush at this early stage, especially based on meta alone. If you want me to buy that you're gonna have to give a more in-depth explanation as to how whatever he's done in these first few pages fits whatever notion you have of his town meta | ||
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On November 01 2012 12:32 DarthPunk wrote: Do you not have a town read on kush? I thought you, if anyone, would share my view. In fact, it is strange that you do not. Like I said, it's wayyyyy to early to give a town read.... especially based on meta alone. On November 01 2012 12:42 Muso wrote:Yeah I am a Mason. On November 01 2012 12:45 Promethelax wrote:  | ||
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On November 01 2012 12:54 DarthPunk wrote: Kush got mason's and millers confused. It was probably a bad idea to claim. Unless you are scum and are claiming with no proof. Do you have a breadcrumb? If he does it'd be in the post where he claimed mason as that was first post.... there's not much work to be done to find out if he does or not..... bleh seems like you should have thought of that and it strikes me as a..... strange question | ||
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On November 01 2012 13:00 DarthPunk wrote: Well. Let's just wait till he finishes reading the thread and see shall we? see what? lol.. i guess all we can really do is wait for his hypothetical mason partner to help him decide whether he wasnts to claim or not should we ask him to claim his 2nd partner? I honestly just don't know lol, quite baffled by the claim tbh... but my instincts are saying that he's telling the truth. seems like it'd be a really fucking bad move for scum to make | ||
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On November 01 2012 13:25 Muso wrote: Oh sorry guys I didn't know there was a difference between Mason and Miller lol So you're both mason and miller or what lol | ||
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but same might be true for Acrofales does anyone care to explain to me why acrofales' claim is more believable than muso's? | ||
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Muso, if you're really a mason, you should not claim your mason partner. Your partner would need to claim for themselves and then you would need to confirm it. Same thing for Acrofales if you decide to claim the partner | ||
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their partners need to claim, they shouldn't claim their partners | ||
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On November 02 2012 01:50 prplhz wrote: Mason buddy or die. (I don't get why people (thrawn2112) wants the buddy to out himself first, could you explain that?) If player x claims that player y is his mason buddy, and then player y says "no player x is lying" then we don't know if player x is scum and player y is town, or if player x and player y are both scum. i doubt that player x would be town, or that they'd both be town. if player x is scum and is claiming that scum player y is mason buddy, scum player y might think "oh no wtf i'm not getting involved in this" and try to distance himself from his scumbuddy by saying player x is lying. so i'd rather have the buddy speak on their own behalf, seems like it'd be harder to fake the claim that way. or to make it even better, they should really just make posts at the exact same time confirming each other as masons so screw all that, they should post at same time if they decide to claim | ||
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On November 02 2012 02:05 risk.nuke wrote: I don't get it. If they are scum they can still talk it over. And if they are not scum they are telling the truth. if muso is scum, judging by the way he claimed i doubt he talked anything over lol but regardless, all that was mostly pointless... masons should just claim at the same time so we can be fairly certain that they're at least sharing a qt, regardless of alignment | ||
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"Either way, he's pretty useless and possibly detrimental to us." scum voting tactics 101 | ||
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On November 01 2012 10:08 Acrofales wrote:Firstly, millers should claim, masons should not. There is currently NO reason to claim mason and it is an easy claim to make if you or your partner runs into trouble, or it's lylo. However, masons SHOULD make a very subtle breadcrumb (note the subtle, I don't even want to whiff it if it exists). Then notify your mason buddy about how it's done. If mafia/sk inadvertently offs one of the masons, the other one has some decent evidence to back his claim up. | ||
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On November 02 2012 09:37 Muso wrote: Okay. I take full responsibility for this situation. Admittedly, I didn't make any attempt to assess the experience levels of anybody here before I started this game, so this is undoubtedly my fault. However, I banked on Acro and his teammate figuring this out instead of coming out and counter-claiming me. Pretty much everybody in the game determined the following: 1. this is a suicide play as scum 2. it is extremely unlikely there were 2 mason teams, Unfortunately, the masons didn't make the next leap in the puzzle, and think outside the box to figure out WHY? Fair enough, I'm not blaming you. I am Kid Watching TV, aka a vanilla. The point of the gambit should be obvious now. So... yousay that you knew that a mason pair existed before you even made the claim? o.O What did you bank on them figuring out? I don't understand. | ||
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On November 02 2012 13:30 Muso wrote: Again, honestly I thought the masons would come to the right conclusion. Reasoning for my claim: 1. Masons are powerful, and frequently underestimated in their value. If I were scum I would perceive them as a serious threat, probably more so than a cop in this setup. In this setup the likelihood of mafia hitting town every night is at least >95% (aka not hitting a SK). Let's pretend it's 100% and let's pretend that nobody gets saved by a Doc. The result is 1 town death every night. As a citizen or vanilla townie as it's called here, it's my job to throw myself in the way of the mafia and convince them to use their kill on me because it buys the town power roles time. none of that has any relevance to fake claiming mason On November 02 2012 13:30 Muso wrote: 2. The wealth of information and reads that are available from this train is enormous. I doubt anybody will disagree with the idea that we've gained a lot more information from today than we would have had we led a lynch on somebody based upon the minor scum hunting that occurred in the first half of today. Not to say that that stuff isn't valuable, just that this provides more definitive answers. Even if nobody is satisfied with my explanations and this does go through to a lynch, this point will remain true. The true Mason reveal was regrettable and once again I do take the blame for that. So if you're saying that you did this to get information and reads, you do realize that if you're actually town, then you're the only person atm who can make those reads? If you did this as town, you've put yourself in a position where it's almost impossible to avoid getting lynched.... how does that help us makes reads based on people's reactions towards you until after we've seen your flip? I accept that townies can intentionally look scummy to make reads.... but the manner in which you supposedly did it and your explanations for what it would actually accomplish just don't make any sense. I want to see two things from you: 1) a clear a concise explanation of what exactly you were trying to accomplish by claiming mason 2) some reads | ||
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On November 02 2012 13:48 Muso wrote: Sorry thrawn, I answered your question in (1.). I'm not sure why you don't think it holds any relevance, because well that's the reason. ok I misread the first time, you were doing it so that the mafia would nk you and not a non-vt? but you didn't think it was a terrible idea to lie about your role... especially a role that can be counter claimed by two people? i'm having trouble seeing suitable townie risk/reward potential for this plan | ||
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catch a liar by the toe But what if there are two liars? tbh, I don't like what either of them did. Muso's most recent post is just dripping with insincerity and revelations of even more lies (now he's going back and saying that he's actually is experienced and has played games before.) On top of that, the majority of his defense is based on "don't lynch me or else you're a noob." Sorry buddy you cant pull shit like that. This statement from Muso..... "If you were mason and you knew this, and you knew that I within a 99% chance of certainty was also not a mason, then the conclusion you would draw would be that I was town." ..... are you fucking serious is all I have to say. You don't get to play the "if you vote me lolz ur a terribad n00b" card. Acro did lie and stuff, but imo he's saved by.... not actually lying? He did provide that encryption post ahead of time so his claim is wayyyy more believable than the stunt Muso pulled. probably gonna vote muso. I see that both acro and muso are voting prplhz, are you guys fine with voting a replacement? His posts have struck me as too fluffy, but the entirety of the rest of the argument against him depends on the alignments of both Muso and Acro. | ||
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muso/acro His first statement about the double mason claim was this: On November 02 2012 01:52 kushm4sta wrote: Why would a scum fake claim mason....it makes no sense even coming from a 100% newbie. I'm expecting 2 mason teams. Then a page or so goes by with people jumping on the vote muso bandwagon, and then here's kush's next post: On November 02 2012 05:09 kushm4sta wrote: Wow if muso is actually scum and just randomly claimed mason that is going to be the worst scum play ever... ##vote muso until we get a claim from his mason partner. Also I don't think acro's partner should claim until muso's claims. So he thinks that both claims are legit.... then after people start voting muso he decides to vote muso because of.... what change of opinion? None that I can see, just a disclaimer about waiting for additional claims. Muso/Acro if you guys are both town and believe each other to be town, and you're skeptical of prplhz for beliveing both claims, what do you think about kush's actions? After Acro reveals the encryption.... kush decides to vote Acro? Based on what? He didn't say. He gave no reason for unvoting the first fake claim and votes the next fake claim based on...... nothing. shutting down discussion On November 02 2012 07:50 kushm4sta wrote: So I will consider anyone talking about muso, or encryption, or the real scum claim, or anything other than looking for scum in the remaining 12 people, unhelpful and therefore suspicious. That is the dumbest logic ever. Kush says that anyone who talks about muso is derailing discussion? wtf. I'd say that kush was the one actually trying to derail discussion. blue hunting he makes several references to flavor names, and he even specifically asks for vt's to step forward and weigh in on if they think "jessica rabbit" or "kid watching tv" fit with the names other vt's were given. It's not the same asking "hey who is blue" but indirectly it would have the same outcome. | ||
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i'm still having a hard time seeing why your vote is on acro... it looks like it's 100% based off of your flavor speculation and if you're town then you should be trying harder than that | ||
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On November 03 2012 01:03 kushm4sta wrote: I still want any vt with a character name to claim btw. If no one claims then I will also want to lynch acro. What if acro is town, and a scum claims vt along with a name that they know you'd find acceptable? What if you're being silly and flavor is just flavor? | ||
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On November 03 2012 03:10 kushm4sta wrote: I have 0 votes for me. Why would you even say that... Also thanks for a totally useless post. Who do you want to lynch? What do you think of drazzaks scummy filter? You have 0 votes but I wouldn't say that you being lynched is out of the question. If I knew who I wanted to lynch......... + Show Spoiler + I'd tell you His filter is scummy, his initial vote on muso was full of denials of responsibility such as things along the line of "if he's town then he's not helping." But much like you.... his town filters are always at least a little scummy so I haven't decided yet. | ||
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##Vote: Muso I think muso has the best potential for flipping red. drazak has looked super scummy in every game i've seen him play release... i'm still wary of him but I like muso's chances of being red better prom/prplhz: All prplhz was acting like prplhz, (this is based on my game with him where he was town in looney lynching) and he made those posts about how both claims could possibly be correct. Lynching him because of that post seems weird because A) I don't doubt that prplhz would say something like that as town, B) because it assumes that both muso and acro are town and if not the whole thing falls apart and finally C) prom is doing a much better job than prplhz was about sharing reads and contributing... on top of all of that he's a replacement. So I don't wanna lynch prom. | ||
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I'd like to hear you talk some more about muso. You said that you didn't want him lynched today but that he was a good vig shot... what are your actual opinions about him being town/scum? | ||
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On November 03 2012 06:08 Promethelax wrote: So Thrawn, can you help me make any sense of the idea that all VTs should have the same theme name? Or the fact that Kush thinks that is enough to make a total town read on? If we'er gonna factor flavor names into our scumhunting it should probably only be done if we get a larger sample of names... of course we have our own names to compare against claimed names but 2 is a shitty sample and i'm gonna need to see some flips before i'll bite on kush's flavor theroy as to your second question, idk what to make of it because i don't doubt that town kush would be silly enough to do it | ||
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On November 03 2012 06:40 Release wrote: If it's the red thing, as with other things, i hate leaving some loose end that can be thrown in my face later in the day/night so i clarify things. it was that plus something dp mentioned earlier that I don't remember but i like the muso lynch and there' no way you're getting lynched at this point anyways | ||
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On November 03 2012 06:41 Release wrote: 7 is the magic number so i ask someone who is tentatively voting muso to switch to promethelax. It isn't too hard to understand why. Please don't act braindead. don't use the "if you dont listen to me your a noob" argument, explain what you mean so that we have it on record | ||
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Which then makes me want to think about the ideas going around about people who weren't skeptical of the mason claims could be scum. Just off the top of my head, kush and prplhz were the ones who were specifically mentioned, so I'm gonna look through their statements about muso/acro. I also plan on looking for early muso voters who voted him quickly after the acro claim and then kinda dropped off the radar afterwards. One last thing off the top of my head, I've got a alarm bell going off about kush because he seems emotionless this game and that's not like him at all. | ||
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Kush, are you scum? | ||
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On November 02 2012 20:02 kushm4sta wrote: Acro Wtf... Why is town fake claiming... So vts look at your role name. Jessica rabbit does not fit the theme. Kid watching tv kind of does though. ##unvote ##vote acro Calls Acro town... then votes Acro? | ||
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On November 02 2012 20:02 kushm4sta wrote: Acro Wtf... Why is town fake claiming... So vts look at your role name. Jessica rabbit does not fit the theme. Kid watching tv kind of does though. ##unvote ##vote acro He says acro is town and then turns around and votes for him and the only reasoning kush seemed to be using was his flavor theory. Of course like I said earlier... sorta hard to tell if scum kush or town kush would be more likely to that... but it sticks out because it was that ONLY reasoning kush had for wanting Acro lynched. Then there was all the possible blue hunting attempts. On November 02 2012 20:21 kushm4sta wrote: does any vt have a character name like Jessica rabbit? if not I think acro is either lying about lyning and is mason, or is scum. Course, it’s not explicit blue hunting, but it’s asking for a vt claim when having one really won’t be that useful, and if someone decided to answer they’d be giving scum more information than necessary. One more thing about kush this game is what I think to be a big change in his tone. Previous town kush meta is fairly emotional with occasional joking throughout all of his posts, and I haven’t been seeing that this game. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler [breadcrumb] + On November 04 2012 01:35 thrawn2112 wrote: First, my suspicions of kush are much stronger then they were in D1. Scumslip? He says acro is town and then turns around and votes for him and the only reasoning kush seemed to be using was his flavor theory. Of course like I said earlier... sorta hard to tell if scum kush or town kush would be more likely to that... but it sticks out because it was that ONLY reasoning kush had for wanting Acro lynched. Then there was all the possible blue hunting attempts. Course, it’s not explicit blue hunting, but it’s asking for a vt claim when having one really won’t be that useful, and if someone decided to answer they’d be giving scum more information than necessary. One more thing about kush this game is what I think to be a big change in his tone. Previous town kush meta is fairly emotional with occasional joking throughout all of his posts, and I haven’t been seeing that this game. First word of the post is "first" and that = 1. Then take first letter of each sentence after that and you get "SHOTCOP" 1-shot cop I'm claiming because my role is useless now. For now I am trusting this check, if there is a framer, imo there were much better targets to frame. For example and regardless of alignment, prom and drazak. If kush is a godfather then maybe that information will somehow hint at itself later on after more flips. But for now, I'm going to be looking into non-kush players. More posts incoming but not for a few hours; I'm having to multitask between this being both halloween and my birthday weekend so I've got lots of stuff going on. | ||
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I'm not liking the release lynch too much because of how town atmosphere has been so far D2. For one, release hasn't let up on contributing, when someone asks him for an explanation he isn't reluctant to give it and they match up well with his earlier posts. I also got a town read from his crazy conspiracy scumteam association cases. Finally, there's been a very low amount of conversation so far and I'd expect there to be more going on if we were actually on the trail to catching a scum. My weekend "activities" are almost concluded so soon I'll be posting in increasing frequency up until lynch. Thoughts on who I want to lynch will come along with that. | ||
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On November 05 2012 15:10 Promethelax wrote: Thrawn: who else we you considering checking and why did you settle on Kush? prom (you) kush drazak release acro. I also thought about doing a check on a wild card person that's off my radar such as mk, hopeless, risk, or zealos. Those are who I feel I know the least about atm picked kush because he's a bitch to read, especially early on. | ||
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Is the no-lynch idea based on the assumption that there's an sk? Today I've been thinking about prom and dp. Prom because his play when he replaced in was just the slickest most pro town series of posts and it dropped off after that. I also keep doubting the sincerity of his words... the townies vibes I got from him at first were so strong that they were a little sickening and the memory of that keeps making me wonder if it was an act. I also think aco is town, and muso is town so that earlier association case about prp/acro/muso is still in my mind. darth because I haven't seen too much originality in his filter and he's done a good amount of sheeping the popular cases | ||
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On November 06 2012 05:54 Acrofales wrote: Yes. And the improbability of a vig shooting Zealos. why do you think an sk would shoot zealos? different reasons than a vig? aren't they both shooting scum? I doubt zealos was a sk intentional blue-snipe | ||
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On November 06 2012 06:39 drazak wrote: I don't want to vote for prom but I will if it means a lynch, I think he's town and anyone who thinks otherwise is probably scum  (uh what do you guys think about lynching drazak | ||
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On November 06 2012 07:42 Hopeless1der wrote:I also can't believe Prom just isn't running with this. sorry i don't know what you mean by this | ||
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like it's so hard for me to accept that you're playing the game based on that theroy that i'm starting to doubt the accuracy of my check | ||
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On November 06 2012 23:50 mkfuba07 wrote: Thrawn, when you're back, what are your current thoughts on kush? I don't think he's scum. The chances of him being gf are small after that last flip and I don't think that'd he'd have been the optimal person to frame during N1. I am glad that a scum claimed one of kush's "vt names" so we can finally be done with that. Once he starts contributing ideas other than that I'll be able to reevaluate. Also.. it wasn't his original case, but he was the one who put the hopeless swing in motion and it neither looks like a bus or reminds me of how scum kush likes to bus. | ||
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ATM I think kush and acro are town. As far as scum suspects other than drazak, I'm somewhat at a loss right now because we weren't really able to get discussion about the hopeless lynch, it just happened. Going through his filter didn't give me much. For me the only thing to consider about kush has been if he's actually silly enough as town to to rely on flavor theories. Like I said in my last post, now that that's done with I'll have a chance to reevaluate him Ok I took a break from writing this post and was staring at the votecount and I just saw that were only 2 candidates not voting for hopeless... it's kush and release. (and hopeless but you mustn't count him, he's dead) I've been playing this game under the assumption that there are 3 scum so that means that either A) kush and release are scum) or B) hopeless was bussed by at least one person more thoughts when i'm less stoned, probably in that twilight period posting thingy | ||
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On November 07 2012 02:40 mkfuba07 wrote: So I take it you didn't find it strange that despite kush's over-adherence to his flavor theory, he still found your claim to be legit even though he listed your name explicitly as one of the possible scum names? well if he's town it's as simple as blue not being green but on the other hand, I'm actually considering lynching into release/kush thinking that maybe at least 1 scum wasn't bussing. I have the green check on kush but I still can't rule out him being framed. All that he's really done so far is vote based off of unflipped vanilla town role claims. He also voted for, then pulled a vote off of hopeless for that theory. So the actual heart of the matter is, was his flavor voting a real town tactic or scummy kush trying to match his meta? If you've played with him before you've probably realized that his emotional attachment to this game seems much lower than in any of his previous games. darthpunk, when you were commenting on how it was weird that the thread slowed down after the hopeless votes... what did you think was weird about it? Did it make you think hopeless was town or scum? | ||
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So prom is either scum, or was the nk target. Out of those two options, prom being scum seems more likely. I don't exactly remember prom being super high on most people's townie lists. | ||
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On November 07 2012 09:07 Release wrote: Yo. I was roleblocked. ##vote drazak His defense before the deadline wasn't tenable. avoid a mislynch? The response that would have exonerated him (in my eyes) is that he had no reason at all, or that he was dicking around with his vote because already secured. why did you change your mind on drazak? because he didn't respond by some arbitrary time? you said a lot of words during n1 about how acro is scum, and you specifically said that acro, prome, and kush are your top scumreads. to me your drazak vote looks like you're abandoning your scumreads to sheep onto the popular vote | ||
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BTW: if there is a town jailer then they need to claim ASAP We have a claimed jailor (mkfuba) who claimed to rb prom We have release who claimed getting rb'd. That means we have potentially up to 2 roleblocks last night. If you are town jk and you rb'd release, you should claim. edit ok wtf now kush is claiming rb. so that's 3 potential rb's. Anyone that rb'd either kush or release should probably claim, especially if you are 1 shot. (or just pretend you're 1 shot in order to wifom mafia) sorting this out could end up leading to a 1-1 trade scenario | ||
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On November 07 2012 14:17 Release wrote: If i change my vote now, I will be "afraid to bus my scum buddy" or "too wish-washy" so i'll make use of FOS: kush You are not town. Draz is scum. Consider yourself lucky. Do you actually want to change your vote? That's a perfect example of a post that makes me think you feel guilty. | ||
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##vote release ##unvote release ##vote release ok jokes aside... you really shouldn't be voting based on what town will think about you. that's what mafia does. town votes for whoever has the highest chance of flipping scum. who is your biggest scumread? | ||
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On November 07 2012 14:44 Release wrote: uh Draz. made that pretty clear. Kush is definitely not town (aka maybe SK) and it's not just what the town will think. It's the subsequent shitstorm that is not about scumhunting, but OMGUSing i want to avoid. So draz advanced in scumminess over acro, prom, and kush who were your top scumreads up until the day post. And this advancement in your list was caused by him not making a post by a certain time? On November 07 2012 14:47 Release wrote: + Show Spoiler + On November 07 2012 14:17 Release wrote: If i change my vote now, I will be "afraid to bus my scum buddy" or "too wish-washy" so i'll make use of FOS: kush You are not town. Draz is scum. Consider yourself lucky. That's a scumslip if I ever saw one. Not sure what the logic is. Are you saying that scum kush actually told us the legit reason why there's no nk? | ||
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On November 07 2012 23:01 kushm4sta wrote: How convenient for risk lolol. Anyone else thinks this looks suspicious? yeah I did. but every time i read his filter I come off with a null read because there's so little there | ||
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I can't rule prom out. but a lot of that is based on me basically assuming you're town (stuff from prplhz during the early mason claims.) but other than that, I haven't had any huge concerns about prom's play, except that it felt too clean, too intentionally pro-town. I'm curious if anyone thinks that release shouldn't be lynched. | ||
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On November 08 2012 02:15 Promethelax wrote: when was that?Okay, some thoughts, not sure how concise this is but I hope it sums up what I am been thinking decently. claim not reading the thread more. At least half the thread thinks that I am as town as they get. You have played with me and know my meta, why don't you? | ||
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On November 08 2012 06:43 Promethelax wrote: Why? What do you think about mine and Risk's? Why don't you read the thread? I thought he was town before the claim and it matched up ok with other things that have heppened in the thread Risks's and yours mean nothing, anyone can claim vt lol | ||
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On November 08 2012 06:53 Promethelax wrote: No seriously, why haven't you been reading the thread? Did you have blue reads on me or RIsk, did anything change for you because of those claims? what do blue reads have to do with anything? what kind of accusation is "why haven't you been reading the thread?" honestly, what helpful answer could you possibly hope to obtain from that . and no i didn't have blue reads on either of you, especially not risk. and like I said, vt claims mean absolutely nothing, if you don't realize how that works then go look at the end of D2 again. | ||
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On November 08 2012 09:30 Promethelax wrote: I would prefer that town have full knowledge and scum have to wifom themselves to sleep. Doesn't mass claiming do the exact opposite? | ||
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On November 08 2012 09:45 Release wrote: kush is definitely not town. I don't see his helping by flooding the thread with flavor. Drazak can be dealt with. There is a strong support for his lynch and if my vote is needed, sure, but I believe Kush is not town as strongly i believe that Drazak is scum If you beleive both of those with the same intensity, it doesn't make sense why you wouldn't just vote for drazak. You'd rather hit someone who could either be sk/mafia instead of someone you think could only be mafia? | ||
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On November 08 2012 10:01 Release wrote: Have we accounted for all the RBs today? No. fuba claimed to rb prom and prom claimed being rb'd acro claimed rb release and release claimed being rd'd kush claimed being r'd | ||
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##Vote: drazak I was going through drazak's filter and it made me put aside my suspicions of his lynch coming about too easily. There is one thing in particular I want to point out that I think makes a red drazak flip is extremely likely. Here's a series of posts starring drazak, prom, and everyone's favorite vt flavor theory. Prom asks drazak about his role, wondering if drazak is still sticking to his earlier vt flavor claim. Here's an exchange that comes immediately after that. On November 06 2012 08:28 Promethelax wrote: Glad to hear it, just wanted to see if you'd stick with that story. On November 06 2012 08:29 drazak wrote: why would I ever change prom? that would make me insanely scummy The answer drazak gave is not a town answer. If you are town then your answer will something like "no wtf prom i'm still the same." Drazak says he'd never have changed his flavor because that would make him look scummy... yes scum drazak, that would make you look scummy. But if you're town then the reason you wouldn't change your claim would be because you are town and you didn't lie about your claim so you have no reason to change it. | ||
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On November 08 2012 12:32 kushm4sta wrote: ##vote release I'm not going to QQ too hard about the drazak lynch though. I'll admit he could be scum. I would switch to him to avoid a no lynch but I doubt that's going to be necessary. why are you voting release? | ||
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On November 09 2012 07:11 kushm4sta wrote: ##unvote release ##vote drazak preventing no lynch Would you still be good with lynching release? I haven't completely decided yet | ||
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his story in d3 doesn't add up - has 3 people that aren't drazak as top scumreads during N2 - because drazak doesn't show up for N2 deadline, releases makes drazak his top scumread - votes for kush even though draz was his top read after I questioned a weird FOS he made against kush wtf was that vigi claim. I NEED to see an explanation for why he did it. As everyone else demonstrated, it is not a "fake" crumb, it was done intentionally. but it was so well hidden, what town purpose could it server? me thinks it's a scum hiding fake claims didn't vote for hopeless innocent wabbit is a scum name - lol hopeless - this post - other than that no mention of release ever again in hopeless filter - he was roleblocked and we have missing night kills | ||
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On November 09 2012 08:03 Acrofales wrote: Not sure if scum or town from this. Damn you. Hiro!!! Stop taking snow crash and give us the nightpost from my experience stuff like that usually means scum or really pissed off town | ||
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On November 09 2012 08:16 Acrofales wrote: BOOM. Also, Kush is not scum. how can you come to that conclusion if I'm "going up in your scumometer" | ||
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On November 09 2012 08:17 thrawn2112 wrote: either there are 2 godfathers (i find that least likely) and kush can be scum or kush might be sk if he was framed and chose investigation reversal neither of those I find too likely. the most likely of those two is that he's sk but if that's true I don't want to lynch him for awhile | ||
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On November 09 2012 08:40 mkfuba07 wrote: Guys, who roleblocked kush? there's been no town claim, so definitely not a town. so either kush lied about being rb'd and he is the last scum, or mafia rb'd him thinking he's sk. if I were mafia I'd probably think he;s sk too because of all the VT claiming nonsense | ||
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On November 09 2012 08:47 Acrofales wrote: Thank you for making me THINK at last. Conclusive final proof that Release is NOT SCUM (still SK though): Release was fucking ROLEBLOCKED A roleblocked roleblocker can't roleblock. Kush claimed roleblocked. Either this is a remarkable magic mix of circumstance, or Kush was in fact roleblocked. That means the scum roleblocker was not roleblocked. Ergo, Release is not the scum roleblocker, and thus not the final scum. Q to the fucking ED. what if he's scum and lied about being rb'd, or if there's not a scum rb? | ||
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- Thread presence - I know this is a subjective thing to say, but I think it can be agreed by everyone that risk.nuke has had the least impact on the game out of all the remaining players. I had to go into his filter just to remember what reads he's been pushing this game. The answer? Not many. The biggest push he's made was for prom early D2, and it was during a time when the prom bandwagon still had wheels. He hasn't been a player who has seemed willing to throw himself out and get things moving. The loudest things he's done was arguing about no-lynches. - Voting history - His first vote was for release. He gave no thoughts about release at all. When asked for clarification he said he was doing some kind of pressure voting. (wanting to find out who's talk/who's not) Then Acro comes in with the mason claim, and risk changes his vote to muso without giving an explanation. His opening D2 vote was for prom. Prom is unflipped and everything but I don't like how the strongest case risk has made came at a time when prom was already a leading bandwagon. (source) His vote ends up being on hopeless. Is it a bus? Hard to say for sure because he says such little about hopeless leading up to the lynch (however that is somewhat telling) Before the hopeless wagon risk lists some people he could lynch and none of those lists include hopeless. So there's not really evidence of a bus, but there's not evidence of a townie vote either. D3 he votes for drazak, no explanations given. - Other things - I don't like this post. My impression of him so far this game is that he's sarcastic, he gets mad, and in general is a negative nancy. That post felt distinctly off from the rest of his posts, and like acro pointed out the hopeless lynch wasn't really a lurker lynch. - Summary - When I look at risk's filter, I see the same thing over and over... he'll make comments about mundane stuff such as setup speculation, and lynch vs no-lynch, but he doesn't give his opinions on the going-ons of the thread. A lot of his filler is defensiveness and explanations for his actions, without many real actions. I'm leaning risk/release for D4. | ||
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On November 01 2012 10:08 Acrofales wrote: Firstly, millers should claim, masons should not. There is currently NO reason to claim mason and it is an easy claim to make if you or your partner runs into trouble, or it's lylo. However, masons SHOULD make a very subtle breadcrumb (note the subtle, I don't even want to whiff it if it exists). Then notify your mason buddy about how it's done. If mafia/sk inadvertently offs one of the masons, the other one has some decent evidence to back his claim up. On November 09 2012 04:32 Promethelax wrote: Oh I've been meaning to ask: Acro do you have a RB BC for the last two nights? and Thrawn did you BC that your check was on Kush? those two things keep nudging me in the back of the brain when I try to think about which claims I believe. On November 09 2012 04:40 Acrofales wrote: No. 1. I was lazy. 2. I was fully expecting to get shot before any necessity to claim came up. I have been thinking and I'm a little worried about Acro's claim, because I expect someone who would go into that much detail about mason breadcrumbing would bc his own role. | ||
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On November 10 2012 03:44 Acrofales wrote: And townies are fakeclaiming roleblocked. Yay for logic! ?? Notice I said "might be a scum roleblocker." The roleblocks would still be there, nobody would have to fake anything. | ||
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idk wtf you're talking about or thinking i'm talking about. What I'm saying is that one of the claimed blue roleblocking roles could be a red roleblocking role. If you want it specifically, you and fuba. No townie would have to lie about rb pms or anything. | ||
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3 Promethalax filter 4 DarthPunk filter 5 Acrofales filter 7 mkfuba07 filter 8 risk.nuke filter 10 kushm4sta filter 11 Release filter 2 people claimed having rb roles and 3 people claimed being rb'd. conclusion = probably a scum roleblocker outside of those players. (waiting on dp's promised claim) The only other solution that explains kush's rb is if he's godfather and for some reason lied about being rb'd. I'd sooner believe that there's a scum rb role because of all the blue ones. So take out those 5 players and I'm left with: DarthPunk risk.nuke | ||
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On November 09 2012 17:55 risk.nuke wrote: I'll be gone all day. I'd just like to point it out there that most people play bulletproof SK which is why I never considered kush for it. However it would actually make sense for kush to pick investigation immune rather then bulletproof if he is aware of how others regard his play. Anyway I think key to finding the SK will be to look into the rb's night 2 because it's very likely the SK was roleblocked that night. I made an obviously dumb and jokey post where I ended the post by talking directly to mafia about who could be the sk, and risk responded directly to the statements I had put in there for mafia's benefit | ||
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On November 10 2012 08:16 kushm4sta wrote: acro why is prome town? or at least point me to where you explain 5 people claimed some kiind of rb interaction during N2. 3 claimed being rb'd, and 2 claimed being roleblockers. So either someone lied about being roleblocked or there is a missing roleblocker. The only person that could have lied is you (kush) but that would mean that if you're scum then you're godfather, which I don't think is likely due to there already being one, and the high number of blue rb roles. So what makes the most sense is that there's a unclaimed roleblocking role, and probably a scum one. Unless dp claims blue rb, then I'm thinking prom, release, acro, fuba and probably you are all town.... simply because the last scum is most likely a rb role. | ||
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On November 10 2012 08:26 Acrofales wrote: Thrawn, you're thinking wrong. Claiming roleblockeD truthfully does not make you town. It makes fuba town (or scum with Prom, which is completely retarded) It makes me town (or scum with Release, yeah... that happened) It does not say much about Release or Prom except that they felt the need to claim roleblocked. Claims: Acro rb'd release fuba rb'd prom kush claimed being rb'd So we have 1 extra rb. It doesn't make sense that release/prom as scum would lie about it, that would mean there are 4 scum. If release lied then acro may be scum, same with fuba/prom. I don't think there are 4 mafia. If kush lied as scum, that means he is scum godfather. I don't think that is a likely scenario either. It would mean 2 gf roles in a game with a bunch of town rbs and no scum rb. So if the above assumptions are true then it's almost guaranteed that there's an extra roleblocking role, outside of the group that includes prom/acro/kush/release/fuba. If dp does not claim a blue rb role, and that he rb'd kush during n2, then I think that the extra roleblocker is a scum rb and is either risk or dp. | ||
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it just required a matched set of roleblockers and roleblockees for it to make sense.are we really believing there are a million town roleblockers? town roleblocker is so easy to claim if you're a red roleblocker. | ||
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On November 10 2012 12:40 Release wrote: I'm don't have any convictions that risk is town; just not a strong one that he is scum. my gut feeling tells me that this is a non-scum answer but i'd still like you to address the questions I asked about risk/kush | ||
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On November 10 2012 13:36 DarthPunk wrote: Do we know who Acro roleblocked. I tried to look for a breadcrumb in his filter and couldn't find anything. What we know from the night action is that one of scum/SK targeted prom OR Acro Roleblocked scum/serial killer. I'm pretty sure he said he roleblocked risk | ||
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On November 11 2012 00:28 risk.nuke wrote: Okey it wasn't difficult at all but I've not been paying full attention lately. fuba - jailed - promethelax acrofales - roleblocked - release scum - roleblocked - kush darthpunk claimed the d2 roleblock on kush | ||
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On November 11 2012 02:28 risk.nuke wrote: Judging from filters release look like mafia. However release can't be mafia for the same reasoning as promethelax. mkfuba can't be mafia because that would leave unacounted for roleblocks. Leaving DarthPunk as the final scum. He's buss is going to make it impossible for me to get him lynched instead of me, you would be pants on heads if you did. However lynch him when I'm dead. kush/release is SK. why couldn't it be mkfuba as mafia roleblocker? not sure how you're singling out dp over fuba | ||
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On November 11 2012 01:08 kushm4sta wrote: honestly I dont understand it completely myself. He seemed really sure of it though. Something involving roleblocks? It went like this: + Show Spoiler [old stuff] + During N2, we had 3 people claiming being rb'd, and only 2 people claiming that they are roleblockers. acro rb release fuba rb prom kush got rb'd. Assume that there isn't a 4 person scumteam. That means that neither release or prom could have lied about being rb'd, because that would mean that there would have to be a 4th scum. If release lied, that would make acro scum, same with fuba/prom. So it's impossible that any of them lied, meaning either that there is a third roleblocker and probably scum because they would have had to have lied about their role during the mass claiming... or it could mean that kush lied and is scum. However that would mean that kush is a godfather because of my green check. A godfather is unlikely because there already is one, and because it makes sense that the third mafia is probably some kind of roleblocking role because of all the blue roleblocking roles. So kush probably couldn't be mafia. However, dp claimed blue so all of that is meaningless. I am glad I typed it up again because it made me think about what the last scum role might be. If I had to guess I'd say it's some kind of roleblocking role. So is it one of the claimed blue roleblockers, or a separate unclaimed power role? I doubt it's an unclaimed role because then there should have been 4 people who claimed getting roleblocked during n2... and it would also mean there are other roleblocks missing from throughout the entire game. Roleblocks can stack... but there still would have probably been extra roleblocks from N1, right? So according to all that... I would have to assume that there is a scum roleblocker between mkfuba and darthpunk, like risk was suggesting. I'm gonna try to go over all the night actions and see if I can confirm any of the assumptions I've been making. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler [night actions] + N1 acro rb prom x rb acro darth claim rb prom mattchew probably roleblocked someone, don't see why he wouldn't zealos... 1 shot, who knows prom claims rb acro claims rb zealos and mattchew die N2 acro rb release mkfuba claim jails prom darthpunk claim jails kush release claim rb mkfub claim rb kush claim rb no night kills N3 dp claim jail prom prom claim rb acro rb risk risk claim rb acro dies So, who roleblocked Acro during N1? I don't think that either mattchew/zealos did. Zealos probably wouldn't have used his only shot on D1, and mattchew was not suspicious of not suspicious enough of Acro to rb acro. So who rb'd acro? The D1 night actions are yet another reason I have for thinking that there's a scum roleblocker. It's not confirmable and it's based on a few assumptions, but it's one of the many things that point to there being a scum rb role. I just really wish I knew who mattchew roleblocked N1. If anyone hasn't done it already they shoudl go look for breadcrumbs zealos/mattchew's filters. I haven't found anything. | ||
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so that leaves 3 options: scum risk, sk risk, town risk along with an sk who didn't shoot during N3. So who is the SK? It can't be dp or fuba, otherwise they lied about roleblocking kush/prom N2 and that would mean that kush/prom also lied about getting roleblocked. I'm not sk. Prom isn't sk because he was roleblocked N1. SK LIST risk kush release If I had to guess at those.... kush or release as sk makes WAY more sense than risk. Kush has been bluehunting all game, and release has been acting like he's got something to hide. Out of the only 3 players who could possibly be sk, risk makes the least sense. So now I'm down to two options.... scum risk or town risk with an sk who didn't make a kill N3. I'm thinking sum risk. BTW, If there's a town vig reading this then FUCK YOU Right now, here is what I think happened. Risk is the last scum and was roleblocked N3. Kush is the sk and took out acro N3. | ||
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Risk was roleblocked. That leaves only three options. Risk is scum and the sk killed acro Risk is sk and scum killed acro Risk is town and sk didn't kill for whatever reason (by choice or roleblock) Only risk/release/kush can possibly be sk. + Show Spoiler [sk list] + So who is the SK? It can't be dp or fuba, otherwise they lied about roleblocking kush/prom N2 and that would mean that kush/prom also lied about getting roleblocked. I'm not sk. Prom isn't sk because he was roleblocked N1. SK LIST risk kush release Risk is scum and the sk killed acro Risk is town and sk didn't kill for whatever reason (by choice or roleblock) The story of who roleblocked who from N3 matches up. Because I think that the sk is either release OR kush, and neither of them got roleblocked during N3, then I think that the sk did in fact kill acro. Out of the three options I listed at the start of this post, there is only one left: Risk is scum and the sk killed acro. What I think = Risk is scum and kush killed acro. | ||
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On November 11 2012 13:42 DarthPunk wrote: No he thinks that scum would think of not claiming role block like that. So release is scummy. I am voting for risk nuke btw. He speculated ad nauseum first on prom then on me then on Mkfuba somewhat. He is just flinging shit until something sticks. There is a wealth of information on risk and why he is scummy. Acro was convinced and made a very very strong case on him. There is also the inescapable fact that he was role blocked and KP is missing. Combine that with Acros case and his attempts to lynch prom then Me and Fuba he looks pretty damningly guilty. I will go in depth on several further things with him after dinner. I am at my parents house for sunday dinner. So can't be online much till later. ##Vote: Risk If you are town, then like myself you are faced with knowing that this game contains 4 confirmed blues and and 2 claimed ones. Do you have any hesitations about the unflipped blue claims, because I sure do. | ||
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But kush, what is your main reason for not thinking risk is a safe lynch? The massive amount of blue claims? I've been thinking about it, and it's not as if we have 6 real blues. I'm a 1 shot and fuba claimed 1 shot. zealos was also 1 shot. The only problem I have with voting for risk is because I think there's probably a scum roleblocking type role, which imo would either be dp or fuba. But roleblocks can stack and we don't have full information so I'm not comfortable just lynching both fuba/dp hoping that one of them fakeclaimed. | ||
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On November 12 2012 05:05 Release wrote: If the scum had fakeclaims, then why not the SK? Surely, Kush's "own" name, to which he could be comparing the other VT names, could be his fakeclaim Yeah I guess so. Yet another reason why I still want to lynch risk based on behavior. | ||
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I read your posts about him, but there wasn't anything in all the setup speculation that proved he was scum. And you didn't give anything outside of setup stuff so I'm not convinced on top of that i've got my own separate town read on him if you ignore all the blue claims | ||
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##vote risk.nuke | ||
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On November 12 2012 08:56 mkfuba07 wrote: Agreed. didnt you want to lynch me if risk didn't flip red? | ||
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meant to say: i think kush has been wanting to lynch release for a lot of the game, but idk why fuba wants to all of the sudden | ||
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unfortunately i cant think about this game in a productive manner so i will return once the letters have straightened in between | ||
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i think people are playing irc mafia later tonight btw | ||
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release fuba hmm... darthpunk, why did you jail prom instead of acro n3? | ||
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thrawn's green check on kush did not instantly confirm kush as green from town's perspective, and mafia would know that | ||
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##Vote: Release | ||
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On November 13 2012 14:14 Release wrote: "Look! The Theory doesn't work. Better stop talking about it" versus "Hmmm. That fits. Let's try to figure out whose name fits the least" You wouldn't be confirmed vt just by claiming vt so people have no reason to accept that you were telling the truth about being proky pig. By claiming any type of flavor at all you were only adding to the discussion by presenting another point of conversation. | ||
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On November 13 2012 15:54 Promethelax wrote: Thrawn: wonderful that you came back but I need a case from you on your top non-release scum read. Is that fuba? Yes, fuba. could also be dp. If release isn't scum then I think scum is probably a roleblocker fake-claiming blue | ||
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On November 14 2012 10:21 Promethelax wrote: So, DP Kush Thrawn and Fuba how do you feel about what Release has been doing? Still going to lynch him obviously but do you read him as townier or scummier for these giant cases he is making? I didn't like the tone of his cases. It looked like he was just going through filters pointing out anything that could be interpreted as scummy and he wasn't really clear about exactly how scummy he thought either of his subjects were. kush if you remember, it looks like the cases jacob was making at the end of that newbie when you two were scum. They aren't actual cases, just lists of things that could be interpreted as scummy. | ||
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On November 14 2012 11:01 mkfuba07 wrote: I'm still going through thrawn's filter (sorry I'm so slow, I'm not even sure I'll be adding much to what DP said), but I'm not sure what to think from Release's big cases. He hasn't given up despite the fact that we've made it clear that we're lynching him, which initially made me inch back towards town. The problem is that scum would probably do that as well. The situation feels similar to when I switched off of drazak earlier this game. The fact that I know his entire case against me is incorrect doesn't make me sway either way, as I think it could be made by town or scum. I guess a summary would be... initially townish, but in the end null. This is en extremely wish washy post... all I really get from it is that you think release might be a null read. I'm really doubting the high number of blues we have, and on top of what I've already said before about fuba, his claim is the hardest to accept. He only claimed a role that makes him responsible for 1 roleblock, and there could be any number of reasons why a scum fuba would have known that it would be a safe claim to make. The breadcrumb was basically non existent. Also, wtf kush I thought you thought I was town all game long... this is how easily you're willing to switch your vote? | ||
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that's bs | ||
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On November 14 2012 12:29 mkfuba07 wrote:One of you two is scum. this is the same way I feel about you and release | ||
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On November 14 2012 12:36 Promethelax wrote: So you no longer doubt your green check on Kush? Why? Just set up speculation? Yeah, pretty much. It's not as absurd reason as you're thinking it is. 2 godfathers and a goon in a game with 5 town roleblockers and an sk? how would that be balanced for mafia? | ||
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On November 14 2012 13:03 Release wrote: Well prome, you have basically done what you promised to do(force town to be active and actually get things done). This pretty much matches exactly what a gods town atmosphere should be. The shift was very quick and forceful: result of astrong case no doubt. I feel that this happened very reasonably considering everyone is online and actually discussing it. And I feel that it has caused thrawn to fall off his game and slip. how did you decide which of me/fuba to vote for? you are acting extremely sure that i'm scum, but when i read the two of those cases i don't really see anything suggesting which read you're most interested in pursuing or why | ||
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On November 14 2012 13:24 Promethelax wrote: ah well. I t was worth a shot. Thrawn: I'd still like a response on the things I have said which you haven't responded to. what specifically? | ||
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look at kush's recent vote for me... came from absolutely nowhere. now he's telling me that he's not gonna tell me why he thinks i'm scum and i was telling him why he should | ||
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apart from being inactive I actually don't know why I'm being lynched | ||
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On November 15 2012 03:31 kushm4sta wrote: i am 1 trillion percent sure that thrawn is scum. Remember he asked me "Do you believe me?" after he claimed. That has stuck in my mind. that was for my read on you, i wanted to see how you reacted to it | ||
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##unvote ##Vote mkfuba | ||
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