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Made an account so I could play. I'm familiar with all of the rules / formalities, this is just my first time playing. And, as many of you are likely suspect to, cheesecake is my favorite dessert. | ||
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##FOS: Thrawn2112 Sincerely yours, Mr. Cheesecake | ||
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On October 12 2012 18:29 Mordanis wrote: Strawberry Rhubarb pie Just sayin' I am also quite fond of this. Sadly, one cannot easily find fresh Rhubarb this time of the year. | ||
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On October 20 2012 00:34 iamperfection wrote: you f5 the tl mafia section all day like i do until a new post comes up. Mr. Cheesecake approves of this method. | ||
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In response to Debears... 1.) This is my first game. 2.) 2/3 (never /obs but solo spectated some games, such as Newbie Mini Mafia XXVIII) 3.) Yes, I should always be available at lynch time. The deadline is 8:00PM EST, which is very suitable for me. | ||
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I am of the opinion that inactive players are a good candidate for lynching. There is too much mystery involved with someone whose only contribution to the thread is nonexistent. In regards to the noobie-card policy: I have to say that claiming inexperience is a terrible defense against any accusation. Djo in the last newbie game made several references to him being a noob (and being town), and it only served to make him seem suspicious to other players. | ||
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Hmm I wouldn't say inactive players are a better candidate. They are simply a good candidate because of their non-willingness to actively give opinions/scumhunt. It depends on the situation. In no circumstance would I vote to lynch a lurker over someone I had a decent scumread on. | ||
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![]() Hopefully more people see the game has started. I'll be around for another couple hours. | ||
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On October 25 2012 10:26 debears wrote: Policy lynches are by no means a necessity. If we are confident and push reads, like dp did last game, then the scum will show. You seem so sure of yourself. Scum will not always present themselves in gift-wrapping like Kush on D1. Confidence and pushing reads are important, but I think it's equally as important to realize that when some reads just aren't strong enough; you can't always get scum D1. Policy lynches are to be used in such cases. | ||
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Good tidings, gentlemen. | ||
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On Debears-Rad incident: Debears came out of the gate swinging; reminiscent of DP from the last newbie game. Personally, I don't like this style of hot-headed pursuit, but it can work. However, I feel the reasons he's giving for Rad being suspicious are ill-founded. There is all this talk of confidence and policy lynching, and everything seems to be a matter of personal opinion rather than a role shining through to the exterior. There may be something there in what Debears has concluded, but I cannot be sure of my opinion of Rad at this time. I'd much rather vote for a lurker atm because the evidence is just not there. Djodref: I find him to be exceedingly odd. I first thought his initial comment of my "serious policy lynching" to be weird, but with his recent two posts I find him suspicous. On October 25 2012 18:25 Djodref wrote: I'm not planning on defending you this game so I expect you to do your job as town ![]() How do you know he's town??? On October 25 2012 18:31 Djodref wrote: @Roco I have more questions for you. Why do you want to never be suspected ? Are you mafia ? Why would you specifically ask someone about them being mafia. What do you hope to accomplish??? I find these two statements to be suspicious as hell. ##FOS Djodref I'll be back in about 6 hours, after my classes. | ||
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Following up my FoS on Djodref--He's seeming more scummy as time goes on. I'm concerned about his attitude in the thread. Check his filter, and look at how many ^^ ![]() Also, why would you say this, Djodref? On October 26 2012 01:01 Djodref wrote: my principal concern is to find the mafia. Everybody's "principal concern" is to find mafia. Sort of like that "why are you afraid of seeming suspicious" question -- the answer is self explanatory. I fail to see a point here. That's what I have to say concerning Djodref atm, and my FoS still applies. In terms of the most active poster, Debears, I've a slight town read on him. Promoting discussion, getting people to talk. Could be scum trying to seem active, but I see no fault with him as of yet. I'll be looking through the rest of the thread to get reads on other posters. | ||
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On October 26 2012 04:22 Dandel Ion wrote: Are you seriously making a case on smilies? The only thing that even remotely has a point is his "<3 debears", but just because it seems a bit like he's buddying him up. Not because it makes him look 'happy'. I must admit, I'm a little bit worried about a djo+debears scumteam, but not nearly enough to even FoS either of them. I'm also (even less) worried about a djo+daoud scumteam, since the slip and following call-out on it might have been intentional. At this point, I realize I'm getting paranoid. And I'm getting carried away with my hard-on for association cases, and I am currently trying to get away from that too. Taking a break from thinking about this game... Yes, I'm making a case on smiles. That kind of stuff is rhetoric and it effects how people read your posts (I.E swaying opinions). You can't say that his tone hasn't been "happy go-lucky" as someone put it. | ||
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On October 26 2012 06:43 Clarity_nl wrote: Let me ask everyone this: Who is more likely to plan out how they will behave day 1, town or scum? Are both town/scum not equally as inclined to plan out actions? Each player individually, regardless of role, must elect to play aggressively, passively, or somewhere in between. I don't think either side is "more likely" to plan out d1 actions. Being a good player at anything requires foresight. That being said, you bring up some interesting points concerning Debears and his "buzzword" of confidence. I see what you mean, however I don't read the repetition of a single word as trying to appeal to emotion. I responded to one of his early confidence posts without much thought to it. He does use the word a plethora of times, but I can't see an intentional, malevolent reason for doing so. On October 26 2012 06:43 Clarity_nl wrote: "You don't understand having confidence to pusb d1 scum reads over lurkers? What do scum want? Easy lynchs. Who are easy lynches? Lurkers. Actually, that's a scumslip ##Vote Rad" [b]Using backwards logic, followed by casting his vote, which he later withdrew without explaining It's easy to retort: What do townies want? Active town. What doesn't contribute to an active town? Lurkers. I may be having trouble reading this, the wordy is a bit odd/choppy: How is this backwards logic? Should town not be more focused on good scum reads on d1 than lurkers? I agree that the Vote for Rad was very hasty by Debears, and I don't agree with his stance on that note. However, while I commend your post, I cannot see the ill-intentions of confidence as a buzzword. | ||
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On October 26 2012 07:38 Clarity_nl wrote: Ofcourse town should focus on getting reads and forcing people to explain themselves. Rad said "if we have no good lynch option we should probably lynch a semi-lurker as a policy" debear's argument was against a strawman. Rad didn't say "fuck it, I have no clue whos scum, just lynch the lurkers". "Anyone who wants to lynch a semi-lurker over a crappy guess/hunch must be scum" is just backwards. Thanks for clarifying. Pun intended. | ||
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On October 26 2012 07:42 Inigmaticalism wrote: Oh ok. Guess Ill not try to make myself look like a townie in the thread. Might get mistaken as WIFOM. So then what would be a wifom defense vs a non wifom defense? You can argue anything that way a long as you dont like it. I find just about every argument/case presented so far to be stupid and pointless. I'm not sure how to comprehend this answer. Inig is obviously very distressed, as he's discrediting everything by calling it blatantly "stupid and pointless". Either he doesn't know how to form a coherent response to an accusation or is cracking under pressure. I don't like the response at all. With him going afk after this, I'm beginning to get suspicious of him. | ||
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Djodref, while you're the subject of debate, I realize you haven't answered one of my questions. On October 26 2012 03:51 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Also, why would you say this, Djodref? Everybody's "principal concern" is to find mafia. Sort of like that "why are you afraid of seeming suspicious" question -- the answer is self explanatory. I fail to see a point here. This is a statement you seem to make a lot. Self-explanatory / unneeded. Why do you find it necessary to explicitly mention your main concern is to hunt scum? | ||
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On October 26 2012 10:33 Rad wrote: This seems extremely suspicious to me, like scumslip suspicious, but I can't quite put my finger on it. Maybe someone else can jump in on it? I'll think about it more in the meantime... I think he's referring to past game they've played together, in which Alsn was much more active. | ||
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"Feeling townie vibes from someone doesn't mean I consider him as town". What does this mean??????? So I'm townie to you but not at the same time? This is a weak statement that is a contradiction in a mafia-oriented way to his play. By saying that I have townie vibes but am not town is keeping a door open for suddenly accusing me later. Who wants to keep an open door for sudden accusation on any person in the game? Mafia. I have a little problem with this notion. You can definitely get a "town vibe" from somebody but not fully consider them town. Always being suspicious and vigilant, especially with no hard evidence like on d1, is wise. I don't think this is a valid point, to be honest. Despite this, Djodref has a mountain against him. One of your new points really stuck out to me: On October 26 2012 12:03 debears wrote: He's "trusting me to take care of Rad". Wow. Why the disinterest in pursuing him? Why is he willing to lay back and let me take the reins on accusing him? Why would a townie want another townie to "take care of" pursuing someone? Scum, on the other hand, want townies to do the dirty work for them. If Djodref really thinks Rad is scum, why let someone else pursue? If you have a read, go for it. Don't beat around the bush and go off into the distance. Being multi-focused is acceptable, it's confusing why Djo would just "let debears take care of it". It makes no sense, unless he somehow knows Debears is town. In terms of the scumslip, I'm still thinking that the reference to Do0ud being town is a scum tell. His explanation for it, while being entirely plausible, fails to convince me whatsoever. His saying "my main concern is finding mafia" also doesn't sit well. The constant asking for info on Ingi / diverting attention, his useless "are you mafia?" question that I pointed out earlier, the inability to adequately answer some of the accusations/questions thrown at him. It doesn't add up. Actually, it does add up. I'm thinking he's scum. I've had a FoS on you for quite some time now, Djodref. Time to upgrade it. ##Vote: Djodref | ||
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On Inig: The only two things I find suspicious about him are A.) Him throwing a tantrum over the WIFOM incident. "This argument is stupid" etc. B.) Semi-Lurking. Hardly enough to go on. Until he posts more, I have an -at best- slight scum read on him. | ||
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@ Inig I understand your concerns with this post, and I address them in bold. On October 26 2012 16:35 Inigmaticalism wrote: Also, I now have some suspicion on Cheesecake. I like pretty much every post hes given actually, except this one: Oh ya and look cheese also calls me out about being emotional and freaking out in thread. His arguments good too, although I wish he put in a 'outside mafia influences' reason as well, but thats fine. I actually have found cheese to be more likely town than I said djo was, so this is why I called this out. -This point is not doing anything other than saying he read it. Like my earlier posts, it doesnt really contribute at all, doesnt really push me either except in the most indirect of ways. This was simply something I noticed. I read that post and went "wow" due to your emotive state. It came off as suspicious to me, as it didn't seem like you could form a decent sentence in your defense. -The 'Im beginning to get suspicious of" me. Ive re-read my own filter. Cheese you should already be suspicious of me, not beginning to be. Ive barely been pro-town at all. I wasn't very suspicious of you at the time, for the same reasons I wasn't suspicious of Rad; too little posts, too little content. The only other thing that sent lights off in my head was you "only having town reads". This was the tipping point where you become null, to becoming slightly scum orientated in my mind. -While those points are fun and are probably included in numerous posts in this game, I call it out because it seems like Cheese is simply trying to look good by joining a case that had potential to go somewhere (and so far has). I think what Im trying to say is that I read it and then after re-reading it I realized it had 0 content, but it looked like it did. No treally a scum-tell, but I guess I saw it because it seemed different than his other posts.The only other person who had even mentioned that post was Djodref, but he had not focused in on your "rage quit" scenario. In the context of the thread, I was the first person to point it out. I believe it was worthy of mention as it stuck out so blatantly to me. @ Debears On October 26 2012 13:28 debears wrote: @cheese On the point of djos "townie vibes". Why would he defend me if he thought i wasnt town, which he stated after he stated he had townie vibes on me? The "townie" vibes mean he's simply leaning town on you, and didn't want to see you lynched today (in favor of prospects such as Inig.) That's the only motivation I could see behind it. @Djo I'll be addressing your post shortly. Still rereading the thread and updating myself on current events. | ||
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On October 26 2012 13:42 Djodref wrote: + Show Spoiler + On October 26 2012 12:50 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: On your case Debears: You've reiterated some of what's been said, or what I have observed already. You did present some new information, though. In particular, the following quote that I cannot agree with: I have a little problem with this notion. You can definitely get a "town vibe" from somebody but not fully consider them town. Always being suspicious and vigilant, especially with no hard evidence like on d1, is wise. I don't think this is a valid point, to be honest. Despite this, Djodref has a mountain against him. One of your new points really stuck out to me: If Djodref really thinks Rad is scum, why let someone else pursue? If you have a read, go for it. Don't beat around the bush and go off into the distance. Being multi-focused is acceptable, it's confusing why Djo would just "let debears take care of it". It makes no sense, unless he somehow knows Debears is town. In terms of the scumslip, I'm still thinking that the reference to Do0ud being town is a scum tell. His explanation for it, while being entirely plausible, fails to convince me whatsoever. His saying "my main concern is finding mafia" also doesn't sit well. The constant asking for info on Ingi / diverting attention, his useless "are you mafia?" question that I pointed out earlier, the inability to adequately answer some of the accusations/questions thrown at him. It doesn't add up. Actually, it does add up. I'm thinking he's scum. I've had a FoS on you for quite some time now, Djodref. Time to upgrade it. ##Vote: Djodref @Cheese Please specify which accusations/questions I couldn't address (please refer to the part in bold font in the spoiler). I'll try to answer adequately to them this time. The text you put in bold regarding my thoughts on you was, specifically, a reference to the point at which Rad was asking you about not changing your arguments on policy lynching. + Show Spoiler + On October 26 2012 08:29 Djodref wrote: @Rad I don't care, it's an argument about policy lynch. I don't even understand why you are putting such an interest in this. I'm not saying that I'm not going to change my mind about a player or a lynch or something important... What do you think about Inig's posts by the way ? On October 26 2012 09:23 Djodref wrote: @Rad by the way, His argument is good by my argument is better. Not going to change my mind. Are you satisfied ? The point that I find most interesting is when Rad says the bolded portion. Rad thinks it's scum mentality. Your only address on the issue is essentially that "I don't care if I look scummy, this discussion is pointless, and my arguement is better". Why are you so unwavering about your opinion in this matter? | ||
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I responded to your post already, sir. @ Kush Interesting take on Da0ud. I don't like his voting of Inig at all, especially when Inig has debunked arguments in a concise manner and has begun to ask questions as of late. I really need Da0ud to post more before I can get a concrete read on him. | ||
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On October 27 2012 01:17 Djodref wrote: @ Cheese I have missed your post. Regarding this point, I've have misunderstood Rad's arguments against me. I thought he was calling me out on this point while he was bringing the my stance on a more general level. That's why I found it totally stupid and I didn't want to discuss about it anymore. I've tried to address it in two previous posts. I did not have feedback on the last one so tell me what do you think of it. first one second one @ Djo That is exactly explanation I was looking for, thank you bringing it to the forefront. The second quote is a bit bulky... Read the part I bolded. If you were worried about people not scumhunting, why be so stubborn? You could have conceded your position on it and people would have moved on to scumhunt. I don't think people simply "forget" to scumhunt due to a lurker policy. That's my concern with your decision: If you want people to scumhunt, why get people riled up over your defense and divert attention from scumhunting? @ Dandel What's all this stuff about you being confused and unsure? Yeah, the thread is jampacked with goodies concerning multiple participants, but that's to be expected. Don't try to play the "confused" card. It's almost as bad as the "noobie-card" | ||
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Djo provided us with some comprehensive quotes about your interaction with him. I'm inclined to agree that a few of your reasons aren't specific enough. Granted, my vote is still on him at this point--I'd like to know, specifically, what are your biggest scum tells concerning Djo? | ||
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My thoughts on the current state of affairs. It seems the lynch is in favor of Inig, but Da0ud following close behind. My vote on Djo is obviously not doing any good. I still consider him suspicious, and he is by no means off the hook. My efforts right now are better spent deciding who is a better lynch candidate: Da0ud or Inig. On Inig: Honestly, I have no idea why people suddenly started piling on top of him. I found him -slightly- suspicious after his emotional outburst and semi-lurking. However, since then he has been asking questions (to myself included) and improving his post count. The cases against him are weak, imo. I've read through them I don't see much of a reason to lynch him. His vote on Imcasey I don't view as scum-intentioned; it was an attempt to draw out the lurker. I don't think scum would be that bold, because a vote like that would (and surely did) draw attention. That is not at all blending in. His recent vote on Dandel, however, doesn't make sense from any role viewpoint I think, so I don't know what to think about that. I'll be reading more into his posts about Dandel later. On Da0ud: I skimmed through the cases concerning him, and by my own standards think he is more scummy-looking than Inig. In particular, this post about the modkill. On October 26 2012 23:07 da0ud wrote: One thing worries me and seems to have caught no ones attention. Clarity has been modkilled!! We are already one less town!! And he was posting actual content. We all saw the modkill. This isn't contributing anything. Why talk about it? A townie died, there's nothing we can do about it, especially since he basically suicided. This is a useless topic. Then, there is the entire percentage-based town read on Djo. I believe Kush mentioned this. 90% town on the first day? I most surely don't see it that way, and a 90% town read based on little concrete evidence? I don't get it. In addition, he's a semi-lurker / blending in. There is also an entire meta-arguement against him as well. I cannot address this as I know nothing of his previous game meta. This being said, I find Da0ud to be much more scummier than Inig. ##Vote: Da0ud I apologize for not being here sooner and for this post being somewhat rushed; I had a personal matter to attend to that required my immediate assistance. | ||
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On October 27 2012 08:31 debears wrote: Really? The cases against inig are bad? When have you even addressed the inig cases? And how are the cases weak when you're accusing dauod of the same? I never said the cases were bad; don't twist my words. I said they were weak from my point of view. You made a case against Inig, yes? The only thing I found relevant was his post that spread suspicion on multiple people but only followed up on Dandel. You referenced the post that Inig made against me, which I thought was a decent attempt to get answers for things he deemed odd. What am I accusing Da0ud of thats the same as Inig, Debears? | ||
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On October 27 2012 08:46 debears wrote: Bad word choice on my part. Bad = weak in my post. And the same points on inig and dauod. 1) semi lurker 2) town reads/ percent town reads 3) generally blending in Give me Allow me to ameliorate for you, sir. 1.) Inig was a semi lurker to begin with. As of late, he has been posting more and with greater content. Da0ud, on the other hand, has contributed much less and is still lurking. 2.) Let's look at both of their percentage town reads. Inigs: On October 26 2012 16:17 Inigmaticalism wrote: I would label Djo as like 70% town. Hes been consistent and contributing. I think hes gone after me too long to be mafia. He has talked an awful lot though. Its probably more likely, with all his questions and style of scumhunting, thats hes a vigi or SK or something like that, seeing who he can get lynched (who he thinks is scum if hes vigi, etc), and then who he cant hes found his night targets. Just a thought. Da0ud's: On October 26 2012 22:41 da0ud wrote: Talking about smileyDjo he has put a lot of pressure on people. Asking open questions etc. For having played a game with him where he played to nice lovable newbie card, I believe he is trying to step up and actually be a leader for town. I put him 90% town. Inig has more reason for considering Djo town, and puts it at 70% (leaning town). He says he's been consistent, obviously posting alot, and going after him of all people. He likes this, and even offers some counter-roles that he could be instead of mafia. Da0ud on the other hand only says "hey, he's asking questions, must be 90% (almost definitely town)" I find Da0uds reasons for thinking Djo town less plausible than Inigs, and he almost considers him town. 3.) Inig has been more distinguished in asking questions / contributing. His theory on Dandel is intriguing and unique, and something I may want to follow up on in the future. His vote of imcasey and Dandel is anything BUT blending in. | ||
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On October 27 2012 09:10 kushm4sta wrote: sighhh he should have claimed. He wasn't around anyway to do so :/ | ||
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On October 27 2012 09:43 debears wrote: Very impressive guys We lynch the fucking jailkeeper, and all I see is "he should of claimed" and "hrm". What the hell? This isn't suspicious as hell. Inig was at the top of the vote column and then suddenly this dauod lynch gains momentum for reasons that differed slightly from Inig's case? Not only that, he wasn't there to defend himself and NO ONE ELSE WAS DEFENDING HIM FFS. How is that not a sign of town???? WHY THE FUCK WOULD MAFIA BUS SOMEONE LIKE HIM WHEN INIG WAS THE LEADING VOTE GETTER. Is it not telling how suddenly momentum on Dauod came about? Inig comes in and says some stuff and everyone goes "oh he's noob town obviously". Just awesome. double FOS Inig I'm going to fucking cool off so I don't shoot myself. I'll look over the thead and figure this out FOS anyone who voted for Inig I'm having trouble understanding what you're saying. Could you slow down and post more a little more coherently? | ||
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On October 27 2012 20:50 kushm4sta wrote: @djo america was still sleeping. chill out. ^ This On October 27 2012 17:53 Djodref wrote: @ Cheese At this point, were you considering that daoud and Inig were better candidate than me ? You have been suspecting me for quite a long time D1 and you suddenly prefer to lynch daoud because some replacement came in and told you he was scummy ? You alsmost didn't consider him at all until that point yet you have no problem with lynching him instead of your top scumread (which was me) ? I'm pretty surprised that you didn't try to push my lynch. Pushing your lynch at that point would have been wasted effort. It wasn't long before lynch when I got home, and I was the only one still with a vote on you. You even said so yourself. Everyone else was piled on top of Inig and Da0ud. I was put in a position where deciding whether Inig/Da0ud was the best candidate for lynch. I looked over both filters and some of the cases, and concluded that my scumread was way stronger on Da0ud than Inig. That being said, you were my best scum read at the time; but there was no chance of you being lynched. On October 27 2012 22:06 kushm4sta wrote: Someone give me a meta read on debears. Is he usually this angry and rambunctious? I don't know his meta but it seems kind of fake to me. And also his little stunt in the pony thread could be something to try to convince people following that thread that he is town. (I actually did this when I got mafia several games ago) @Kush In reading the last newbie game (You know the one), Debears was all over the place in terms of reads as a townie. Some players even thought that all of his different cases were an attempt to "derail the thread" and "promote chaos". In d1, I'd say that's fairly consistent with his meta. This recent nonsensical outburst, however, leaves me with some ill feelings. It seems uncharacteristic, but whether this comes as a response to genuine anger or not is unknown. I'm curious to see his explanation. In terms of the pony thread, I'd say leave it alone. It bears no effect on this game. | ||
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On October 27 2012 23:19 Djodref wrote: "That being said, you were my best scum read at the time; but there was no chance of you being lynched." @ Cheese Here is a quote from you. As you can see, I was a little more than your best scumread. Nevertheless, you gave little to no protest about lynching daoud or ini over me. Big scumtell in my book. Have a look at debears reactions when people started to vote daoud. He was trying to push his case until the end.This commitment is a big towntell. Where was your reaction when you came back to thhe tread and realized that a lynch on me was "not possible" ? No protest, no comments about other people being stupid or whatever, not trying to push my lynch. And you proceeding to compare the percentage daoud and Ini were giving for their townread on me to decide who to lynch between the two... do you have any comments to do on this ? FoS Cheese I appreciate your comment, Djodref. A lynch on you was "not possible" so close to the deadline when I returned (~45-30mins before lynch). I did want to get you lynched, but convincing everyone in such a time frame was not possible with everyone on Da0ud/inig. In my vote post of Da0ud I stated clearly that I still considered you highly suspicious, but I had to decide if Da0ud or Inig was a better case. What use is protesting everyone else, "calling them stupid" as you suggest, and pushing my case on you? That is simply advocating chaos in my book, and it's not my way of thinking; I will not flame the entire town for considering two other options than what I would rather pursue so close to deadline. My efforts were best spent deciding who was scummier. Pushing you till the end, and not weighing in on the debate at hand was illogical. This being said, you are still my biggest scumread and my FoS from d1 still applies to you. | ||
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How is that a scumslip, Djo? | ||
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On October 27 2012 23:57 debears wrote: Agreed. Guys listen to me and Kush on this one I'm very much inclined to agree on this point. Until we have a red flip, theorizing scumteams is pointless. | ||
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On October 28 2012 00:02 kushm4sta wrote: Also thanks for all your shitty suspicion.I hope it keeps me from getting nk. Didn't Kush make this exact statement in the previous newbie game where he was scum? Here it is: Oh, I found it. On September 28 2012 09:40 kushm4sta wrote: thank you now I won't be nk | ||
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I'll be honest, I don't like his play. I read somewhere that he had a "scummy meta", but it just seems arrogant to me. However, The FoS's against him are based heavily on meta in general and I find him difficult to read as of yet. @Debears On October 27 2012 23:55 debears wrote: Kush is attacking people who he wants to and selectively using meta when it furthers his agenda. That, my friends, is a scumtell. What exactly in your opinion is Kush's agenda right now? | ||
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But what exactly is he trying to accomplish if his agenda is mafia-orientated? Single people out? | ||
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On October 28 2012 00:34 debears wrote: Cheese, What kind of townie has an agenda? You don't know what anyone else is, so how can you plan to lynch people? How can you know who to push for sure? A towns course of action is to find and unveil the scummiest person--of course town cannot know for sure who to push. In terms of Kush, he is calling you out because he thinks you have conflicting meta. Are you saying it's scummy to do so? Perhaps I don't completely understand your FoS post about the entire meta arguement. | ||
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On October 28 2012 00:47 Djodref wrote: @ Cheese I think you should have made this kind of explanation at that time. Didn't you feel a little frustrated ? Of course I was frustrated. I come back to the thread and votes are stacked high on two other people. But is it really constructive to moan and groan about it? No. As I stated, energy was rather spent contributing to the lynch at hand. If you think crowding the thread with "My god people, why do we have these guys up for lynch?" is a better alternative, then you are sadly mistake. | ||
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On October 28 2012 00:52 Djodref wrote: @ Kush It seems like you know that both of them were going to be town and wanted to gain town points by opposing both lynches. You could have reproached to have known daoud's alignment. But it looks like that you know Ini's alignment. I think I see what you mean now, but he's explaining what he believes is your thought process / motivation, not his own. I can't really claim that to be a scumslip. | ||
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On October 28 2012 01:02 Djodref wrote: @ Cheese townie post: it seems like you knew that both of them would flip town and blabla scumslip post: It seems like you know that both of them were going to be town and blabla But I would agree that it is not a big scumtelll. @Everyone What are your thoughts on this "scumtell". I really can't see it being one. | ||
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On October 28 2012 01:55 Djodref wrote: @ Cheese Well, if you really think that the two other people are less worth a lynch than your top scumread (which what your case I think, given the poor interest you had in daoud before you decided to lynch him), I think it is your responsibility as town to stand up and push your lynch. I'm sorry but I'm thinking that you are the one mistaken here. No matter how late it is in the thread, you should try to push your top scumread. Otherwise, mafia is just going to push the townies everyday. You're kidding me. How would pushing my case on you with less than an hour to go result in getting you lynched? I would have to persuade, what, 6 people in that time frame? Many of who weren't there at the time. I would rather give my opinion on the two people that are dividing the town and ensure that the scummiest get lynched. In reference to the bold section, don't be a hypocrite. Your top scumread was Inig for the entiriety of d1, then out of nowhere you vote Da0ud, with little to no explanation. Also, who else would mafia push? Also, I'll be posting my case on you later, likely after daybreak. | ||
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On October 28 2012 04:30 Rad wrote: It WAS the sole reason. You wanted to obs, then you backed out because you wanted to get a chance to play with mr cheesecake. What would you say? Anything to make him talk. He was being hilarious pre-game and you wanted more, so you dropped obs for the CHANCE to play with him. Why have absolutely no communication with him when that's the main reason you're in this game? Could it be because you're talking to him behind the scenes? FoS Mr. Cheesecake Double FoS Kush Is this a scumteam association case based on pre-game banter? How does pre-game stuff have any relevance to this at all? | ||
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MY OPINION ON DJODREF A compilation of quotes, and reasons why I believe he is guilty By: Mr. Cheesecake _____________________________________________________________________________________________________ The Scumslip + Show Spoiler + On October 25 2012 18:25 Djodref wrote: Here is the infamous scumslip by Djo, he refers to Da0ud explicitly as town (who we now know IS town). There is little to say here: How does Djo know Da0ud is town? He doesn't even have a reason to think he's town. He even votes for Da0ud which I will address later.daoud Good ! I'm not planning on defending you this game so I expect you to do your job as town ![]() What's your take on the Rad-debears argument by the way? Furthermore, Djo provides us with the weakest defense for a scumslip ever: On October 25 2012 18:40 Djodref wrote: I don't know already if you are town or not. I've spoken too fast because I was thinking of our last game where you were town. It was a slip, but not a scumslip ![]() Regarding Roco, I understand your hunch but he reminds me your first weird posts last game. He is suspicious but he doesn't deserve red bold font yet imo ^^ All he says is "Not a scumslip, please move along" and plays it off like no big deal with a characteristic smiley and ^^. This explanation is nowhere near adequate enough to address the issue. “Are you Mafia?" Question + Show Spoiler + On October 25 2012 18:31 Djodref wrote: @Roco I have more questions for you. Why do you want to never be suspected ? Are you mafia ? I first picked up on this in my original FoS post. Why would you ask someone explicitly if they are mafia? What is even the PURPOSE of this? Is he attempting to arouse suspicion for Roco? On October 26 2012 01:12 Djodref wrote: How on God's green Earth would asking someone if they are mafia make them uncomfortable? All a scum player would need to rebuke it is: No. There is zero town motivation for asking someone if they are mafia.@sylver I'm sorry but not wanting to look suspicious is totally natural from a townie, especially from a total newbie. Adding the second question was only to make him uncomfortable if he was mafia. His Questions about Inig + Show Spoiler + It is obvious from the very beginning that Djo is suspicious of Ini. He asks everyone about what they think of him. Firstly: Why would Djo care what anyone else thinks? If his scum read were strong enough, he'd have the confidence (there's that word again...) to make a case without input from a third party. Secondly: He sometimes asks these questions in context of something else, as if to brush off some accusation against him. On October 25 2012 18:51 Djodref wrote: @daoud What do you think about Ini ? On October 25 2012 23:21 Djodref wrote: @debears If you are around, I would like to know what do you think about Inig first posts. On October 26 2012 01:21 Djodref wrote: I don't think that debears is advocating chaos. In my point of view, he is certainly promoting discussion. We could as well being still discussing policy lynches if he wasn't here. And please remind that it's quite easy for mafia to avoid a policy lynch. By the way, do you believe that we can lynch a scum on D1 ? What do you think of Inig ? He throws out two questions, one of them being about inig. What does Inig have anything to do with the discussion at hand? The only reason I can see for it is an attempt to derail the thread into something about Inig. On October 26 2012 08:25 Djodref wrote: @Alsn I would expect more from you than an half-assed FoS on me ![]() What do you think about Inig ? He completely brushes off the FoS from Alsn and asks about Inig instead. On October 26 2012 10:15 Djodref wrote: AGAIN, brushing off the FoS from Alsn, in favor of pursing interests of Ini.Honestly, I don't really care if Alsn has a FoS on me if it is for the reasons he has stated in his post. I know he is totally able to come at me with something more consistent if he really thinks I'm scum. Right now, I think his reasons are poor and I'm more interested in his opinion about Ini. These questions are nothing more than attempts to deflect discussion, away from him or otherwise, onto something else. An Appeal to Emotion + Show Spoiler + On October 26 2012 01:31 Djodref wrote: I'm still feeling bad for tunneling until death last game ![]() I even didn't have the balls to state that I had changed my mind about you at the end. As I feel some townie vibes from you in this game, I thought I could at least defend you this one time. debears <3 This is an outright appeal to emotion. He's feeling bad about last game, sure. Why bring it up? It bears no significance to anything in the thread other than making us feel bad for him. He even gives Debears a <3... really? 180 on Inig + Show Spoiler + On October 27 2012 08:56 Djodref wrote: Please note that this is the entire vote post.## Vote daoud Because his involvement in this game has not been great so far... This is 100% completely contradictory to everything Djo has previously said / advocated about Inig. He had a case on Inig, he was always asking those questions about him. Inig was, apparently, his biggest scum read. Why the sudden 180 degree turn and vote for Da0ud? It makes no sense whatsoever, and his explanation for dropping the vote was "I'm really starting to doubt myself about Inig's case..." and his reason for voting Da0ud is: "his involvement hasn't been great." Hardly enough to justify a revote. Djo's attempt to discredit me + Show Spoiler + On October 27 2012 08:00 Djodref wrote: @ Cheese What the fuck are you doing with your vote still on my back ? Come in the thread and choose who you want to lynch today between daoud and Ini. Tell us your reasons about it ! Here he advocates that I choose a side on the Da0ud-Inig debate, which I eventually did once I returned. Also: why is he so paranoid about my vote on him? On October 27 2012 17:53 Djodref wrote: @ Cheese At this point, were you considering that daoud and Inig were better candidate than me ? You have been suspecting me for quite a long time D1 and you suddenly prefer to lynch daoud because some replacement came in and told you he was scummy ? You alsmost didn't consider him at all until that point yet you have no problem with lynching him instead of your top scumread (which was me) ? I'm pretty surprised that you didn't try to push my lynch. This post contradicts the previous. He explicitly TOLD me to weigh in on the debate and cast my vote for one of the others. Why the heck is he calling me out for it? Is this not what he asked for from me? On October 27 2012 23:19 Djodref wrote: As you can see, I was a little more than your best scumread. Nevertheless, you gave little to no protest about lynching daoud or ini over me. Big scumtell in my book. And here Djo is trying to further his case about my vote of Da0ud. There is a portion after the lynch where I try to explain to him that my biggest scumread was still on him. That pursuing his case at the time would have produced nothing; that I voted for Da0ud because he looked scummier than Inig; Check either of our filters about it. (page 38ish of the thread). He seems sour that I have a scumread / FoS on him and a vote most of the day. This entire ploy to discredit me is baseless, and likely an attempt to thwart my future attempts at scum hunting him. General Thread Clutter (my opinion) + Show Spoiler + Admittedly some of it is defense, his filter is huge and he's talking on absolutely every page. The thread doesn't need to know every thought that pops in your head. A large majority is just casual conversation without his own input on certain subjects. Is this an attempt to bury logical arguements? He's trying to post a lot to seem like he's contributing, but I find most of his questions/concerns pointless. Take the "scumtell on Kush" post. I don't think anyone in the thread thought it was a scumtell, but he made a fuss over it. A Final Note + Show Spoiler + Look at who Djodref has suspicions (FoS's) on. Me and Sylverfyre. I oppose him, and Sylverfyre has tunneled him hard. His best scum reads are on people that find him highly suspicious! What does this say? He's scared. He's scared and replying by digging up any dirt he can on us. After synthesizing all of what you have posted Djo, the jig is up. You are SCUM | ||
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I find it odd that you suddenly find a reason for Sylver being killed and flipping blue so quickly. I believe this indicates that you were thinking about it beforehand. It's also odd that specifically Sylver, the one who was tunneling you so hard late d1, is found dead. On October 28 2012 09:31 Djodref wrote: By the way, if mafia is blue sniping, I would think that they have nobody on their ass right now. An attempt to divert attention away from yourself. | ||
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Djo is scum or SK - I am sure of it. I have little reason to vote anyone else at this point Dandel is leaning scummy for me; he completely avoided one of my questions: On October 27 2012 01:56 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: @ Dandel What's all this stuff about you being confused and unsure? Yeah, the thread is jampacked with goodies concerning multiple participants, but that's to be expected. Don't try to play the "confused" card. It's almost as bad as the "noobie-card" I find this especially odd since you've advocated against using the noobie card, then proceed to use the confused card which is just as bad. Rad is leaning town for me. Although that association case between me + Kush bore no merit at all. Debears. Hard to tell. Pretty null, especially since we haven't heard from him in a while. Nackhtogger. He's afk. Roco. He's afk. Inig. He has a few walls of text that are exactly that: Walls of text. A little scumhunting here or there but I don't see a reason that I should consider town as of yet. Alsn. I see his case on Dandel. I agree that he looks fairly scummy at this point. But I'm sticking by my Djo lynch unless someone can seriously convince me otherwise. I'm very interested in hearing from the two lurkers, Inig, and Debears on their thoughts on everyone including myself but especially Djo/Dandel. To get this out of the way: ##Vote: Djodref | ||
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On October 28 2012 23:57 Djodref wrote: @ Cheese You cannot accuse me of being an SK. Don't you remember that you have used my slip in your case against me ? I should have more information than you in this game. The SK had no access to the info that daoud was scum. You are going back on my scumlist, Mr.Cheese. Also I found it strange that you have made no comments on my defense against your case. You sure are not open to change your mind about me. I have you pinned as scum right now. You are anything but town. In the off chance that you aren't scum, you are the SK. The word "Maybe" was in order in my post. That being said, I read your regards on my case on you; and I'll address them at a later time (preparing for hurricane Sandy here, east coast ftl). @Dandel You are completely cracking under pressure right now, and walking a fine line. I suggest you stop flaming and produce something coherent. A case on your best scum read, perhaps. You aren't doing anything constructive. My vote is for Djodref, but if you continue this scummy behavior I'd consider switching it to you. As bad as I wan't Djo lynched, recent events are showing you as very red. I really hope lurkers show up to provide some insight. | ||
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On October 28 2012 10:15 Djodref wrote: I'm going to start my day by addressing this case. First things first, even if your case is not bad, the conclusion is wrong. I'm town so I would like you to be as objective as possible when you read my answers. Please find my defense in bold font in the spoiler. I find your points difficult to address, mainly because it's a case of opinion versus opinion. I think it was a scumslip, you say it's not. You say asking scum if they are mafia produces pressure, I don't think so. I still think that Debears thing was an appeal to emotion; but I suppose I can see where you're coming from on that point. I really want other people to take a look at this case and speak their minds. My big issue comes with the section "Djo's attempt to discredit me". You play it off as scumhunting. Perhaps. But I implore everyone: Look at the first and second posts in that section First post: "Get your vote off me, and weigh in on Da0ud or Inig!" Second post: "Why did you switch your vote? Suspicious." First post: "What the hell are you doing with your vote still on me? Second post: "Wow, I'm surprised you didn't push your case on me." Everyone, look at those two posts and tell me it isn't the scummiest / most hypocritical thing you've ever seen. Also, you fail to address my "final note" in which your only FoS's are on people who find you suspicious / were tunneling you. One person, of whom, is now dead. I'm still pinning you as scum. Dandel, at this point, is looking likely. I'm also looking into some of Inig's posts: I'm finding that he's very "blendy" in this entire thread. | ||
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On October 28 2012 23:27 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: @ Dandel What's all this stuff about you being confused and unsure? Yeah, the thread is jampacked with goodies concerning multiple participants, but that's to be expected. Don't try to play the "confused" card. It's almost as bad as the "noobie-card" I also want an answer to this question you so conveniently avoided. Why playing the confused card? I thought you were against the noobie card, which is basically the same? | ||
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Your claim is interesting, and plausible. My only concern is that you could be SK claiming Vigi. However, I think your reasoning for shooting Kush makes sense considering your "double-FoS" on him. I'm interested on what you have to say concerning my case on Djo / on Djo in general. Nobody else has given their strong thoughts on the Djodref case with the exception of himself. | ||
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On October 29 2012 01:38 Djodref wrote: @ Cheese Regarding the part where I'm trying to discredit you. I just find it awkward that you are listening to you top scumread when he calls you to change your vote from him to choose between two other guys you haven't been looking into. I agree that I don't look consistent on this myself. Anyway, I understand that you have enough reasons to believe that I am scum. It's regrettable that you are wrong so I think that's the best for both of us is to not waste too much time on this. I'm very curious to see who is going to be your next target. Please surprise me ![]() Could I ask you what do you think of Nackht ? In regards to the bold: I wasn't listening to you; I chose between Da0ud and Inig because it was the logical thing to do. I didn't see your post till after the lynch, and I found it extremely awkward about your contradiction at a later time. You keep saying you're town, and I find it very difficult to believe. I'm sticking to my guns on this case, and I'm going to do my damnest to not let you slip away. What do I think of Nackht? "Lol" That pretty much sums up the case I can put against him. Dandel is leaning scummy but I'm interested to hear his defense. I'm concerned about Inig at this time because of Semi-lurking / Blending and I'm going to look into him further. | ||
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"Maybe" = perhaps, having the slight possibility of being the SK | ||
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On October 29 2012 02:09 Djodref wrote: Off to bed | ||
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One thing I find odd about Inig. Some of his posts are complete walls; walls of speculation and theory that don't really contribute. Look at this post: + Show Spoiler + On October 28 2012 02:48 Inigmaticalism wrote: To me (and from what I have actually read) this seems to be the biggest scum-slip so far in the game (regardless of whether it is or isnt). I think this because we do not know anyone's alignments, especially day 1, and kush assumes the case that djo knows I am town, and by doing so indirectly himself as well. And I just got done typing a wifom kind of argument that I love making so much so I deleted it. Granted I find it a bigger slip simply because I know I am town. I have already said how I thought that kush obviously knows what he was doing, and saying something like this from this type of player does not feel like an oversight, and despite me claiming and them having town reads on me you still wouldnt know for certain. This combined with these other cases being brought against him I feel all hold at least a little weight and have me feeling utterly wary of kush, especially his arrogant 'yeah, funny/dumb cases' as his defense. I would like more defenses with less mocking/anger in them, but if that if your playstyle so be it. -Also kush telling of debears talking in other threads and PMs and whatnot up-front seems to discredit debears and give kush credibility by being the 'good guy' and bringing info to the thread. It could be used in a case against debears, for example, but kush just puts it out there. I think the motive seems more about gaining more power and discrediting debears rather than really trying to inform the thread. I think town has very little to gain by knowing this knowledge because it can be taken out of context and any number of ways, and kiush should have just pmed host and be done with it. Now, it could have been a 'what if' or a 'next-step' mindset. Granted some reasons why kush could have had the mindset to say he knows and says djo knows Im town: Ive claimed, kush had town reads on me, djo had changed to more town reads on me, so the setting assumed I was town. The problem I have with calling it a true scum-slip is that kush is in the best position to get lynched because of the mislynch on da0ud, making arguments easier and seemingly hold more power. Added to the fact that my own scum-read wants to off kush now has me mimicking djos feelings on kush (see above post). I need moooooore from kush to solve this, and before I would vote for him. @Djo The longer time goes on, you are slowly losing town credibility with me. Your contribution is high, and frankly this is becoming your game because your posting like a 1/3+ of the posts lol (and have a 10 page filter). For simply this reason I want you still alive because you are so active. Ive liked your recent contributions though, so I just want more solid content from you, rather than being so all over the place. Thats the other thing. Because you are so 'everywhere' but havent ever had really strong opinions on things (besides me for most of day1) it makes your 'unsure trying to be safe townie' look change to a 'careful mafia' look the longer time goes on. Ignore the pokes at you that lack real substance and give us more cases to discuss rather than your play. Your case against me was good, it got me to shape up and post better. And I like this discussion between cheese if it will get deeper. @Mr cheese. Kinda the same read I have with djo. The longer time goes on the more it seems like you are being super neutral/safe. Nothing you post has an edge to it, which while it is a quality I admire, it makes it difficult to really confirm anything with you, which leads to greater suspicions. The only real scum-hunting cases you have had are against da0ud and djo. I thought your arguments against da0ud were good because they were true, da0ud was acting scummy. So dont feel bad about it, keep going on the case with djo and see it you can get anything new. I would really like more so I can solidify my ideas about djo. I honestly find it difficult to comprehend everything he's saying in the first three paragraphs. It's a lot of speculation and "I think's" that don't reveal anything. He's not being strong in his wording. (I.E He is doing this, this is what's happening).The wall of text sure looks like he's contributing... The two @'s on the bottom reveal that he's null/town on me and null/scummy on Djo. Nothing really strong of opinion. + Show Spoiler + On October 28 2012 08:22 Inigmaticalism wrote: @Rad As I said I am utterly wary about kush. And I already posted about him posting about debears pm and about his town knowledge assumption. Here is what I learned reading kush's filter. Until the most recent posts where he has given short descriptions on multiple people, kush has been clear and focused. Case on da0ud, nothing else, takes a stance on me and consistently, in his own words "soft defends" me. And since then has appeared fairly helpful but has mostly been defending himself. This is interesting though. Day1 he explains he does not want to lynch Djo, even though he thinks he looks scummy, giving room to see what he will do (and prods Djo to do so). After Djo appears wishy-washy in the lynch Djo becomes kush's next top scum read. Logical follow-through. And then this and then another post right after So once again focused. He says he will bring a case against Djo tonight, and I am interested in reading it combined with Mr CCs promised case. I thought kush was just throwing Djo out there but then found this last post I quoted. Conclusion: Kush is a strange new piece of food that Ive never tired before, and Im keeping it at arms length because I dont know if its poisonous or not. The only way to find out is to ask questions, but it seems kush it getting enough heat so Ill only join in if I find anything (besides what I have found) useful. It seems to me that if nothing drastic changes (day post doesnt change much, not really any new cases) kush will be lynched tomorrow based on the overall opinions in the thread. It is my goal for Day 2 to find at least 1 good scum case because I dont think a kush lynch is optimal right now because I feel I do not know enough, and frankly the recent cases against him arent very strong. spcifically @Rad: if you can explain what we could possibly gain from knowing kush was lying about not recognizing debears I would become more interested in the answer. Kush did pretty much talk to debears most on Day 1 after all. This seems more like a summary of recent events than any real input whatsoever. All he says is: "I'm wary of him [Kush], but I do not know enough". It could just be bad town play, but these posts, in addition to a lack of scumhunting, don't seem like an actual contribution at all. | ||
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And me too, I really want him to come out of hiding and tell us his opinions on recent occurrences. | ||
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Why is my percentage post in a case about Djodref? | ||
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On October 29 2012 03:51 debears wrote: Djo's approach on Dau0d Despite Djo's suspicions on Inig and Sylver, he ends up voting Dau0d. Why? Lets see Not the greatest reasoning. He does provide some reasoning right after though. Notice his reasoning. It's literally almost the same for Inig. Yet, he feels that Inig was "more distinguished in asking questions/contributing". I don't get it. Also, he didn't think Dau0d's meta was different than Dau0d's town game when he posted this earlier. The second post is my post, not Djo's. Why is it in there? I'll gladly reiterate my reasoning behind my vote on Da0ud over Inig if you wish. | ||
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You say that "The Common Fallacy" of this game is that activity = town. Are you considering at least one of the lurkers to be mafia at this point? (Considering Inig to be a lurker, in this case) Also, on an unrelated note, am I the only one that finds it ironic that the replacement of the lurker is also a lurker? Lurkception. | ||
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I find your vote on Dandel to be exceedingly odd. Your first post in D2, and you look at the thread and go "Hey, Alsn has a case on Dandel. I had suspicions of him before, better instantly agree with everything he says." You haven't said anything about Dandel since d1. It seems like you're actively lurking, and waiting for someone to bring up a case so you can sheep off of it. Admittedly, I find Dandel is to be scummy, but not as scummy as I find Djodref. Your post also conveniently avoids my concerns about the two posts being "walls of text" that don't contribute anything. In regards to the SK thing... I don't see why lynching the SK is ever a bad thing. What's the issue? It is most definitely in towns wincon. | ||
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On October 29 2012 12:30 Inigmaticalism wrote: k fine im absolutely horrible. Which means rad, debears, Mr CC and/or alsn are the mafia. Good job. What are you even trying to say here? | ||
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Where do you stand on the vote today? Do you find Djo the scummiest? Or Dandel, now that we see his defense? | ||
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I don't really like Alsn's premise on Dandel, even if I found the incessant flaming that ensued scummy. Tbh I think the case relies more on WIFOM than cold, hard facts. That's why I'm sticking to my Djo vote. My case against him, Debear's case against him (actually surprised he hasn't switch the vote) both compile a significant number of quotes that really paint the picture that Djo is scum. I find it much more likely that Dandel perchance flip town than Djo. I also don't like the fact that Inig is the very definition of an active lurking: coming back to the thread and sheeping on the most popular case that suits his interests. He also has done zero scumhunting besides that initial nitpick at dandel d1. | ||
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On October 29 2012 13:40 Djodref wrote: @ Cheese Well, I respectfully disagree. I've been tunneled by almost all the active players during D1 and nobody defended nor soft-defended me at that time. I believed that I was going to get mislynched. People started to say that they didn't want to lynch quite late during day 1 because I was generating discussion, not because they thought I was townie. I agree the pressure switch was late. But even still, your other two scumbuddies could have been either the lurkers, or planning to jump on you last minute to avoid suspicion. They didn't have to because of the Da0ud-Inig fiasco that presented itself. This entire argument however, from both angles, is very speculative and fairly irrelevant. | ||
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Inig makes this comment after I call him out on sheeping the Dandel case, and having posts that don't contribute. On October 29 2012 12:32 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: What are you even trying to say here? I'm not sure I understand what it means. Can anyone clarify a motivation behind this post? | ||
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I've been looking at Inig. I gave this post a while ago, and talked briefly with it about Alsn. On October 29 2012 02:43 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Here's my promised snippet on Inig One thing I find odd about Inig. Some of his posts are complete walls; walls of speculation and theory that don't really contribute. Look at this post: + Show Spoiler + On October 28 2012 02:48 Inigmaticalism wrote: To me (and from what I have actually read) this seems to be the biggest scum-slip so far in the game (regardless of whether it is or isnt). I think this because we do not know anyone's alignments, especially day 1, and kush assumes the case that djo knows I am town, and by doing so indirectly himself as well. And I just got done typing a wifom kind of argument that I love making so much so I deleted it. Granted I find it a bigger slip simply because I know I am town. I have already said how I thought that kush obviously knows what he was doing, and saying something like this from this type of player does not feel like an oversight, and despite me claiming and them having town reads on me you still wouldnt know for certain. This combined with these other cases being brought against him I feel all hold at least a little weight and have me feeling utterly wary of kush, especially his arrogant 'yeah, funny/dumb cases' as his defense. I would like more defenses with less mocking/anger in them, but if that if your playstyle so be it. -Also kush telling of debears talking in other threads and PMs and whatnot up-front seems to discredit debears and give kush credibility by being the 'good guy' and bringing info to the thread. It could be used in a case against debears, for example, but kush just puts it out there. I think the motive seems more about gaining more power and discrediting debears rather than really trying to inform the thread. I think town has very little to gain by knowing this knowledge because it can be taken out of context and any number of ways, and kiush should have just pmed host and be done with it. Now, it could have been a 'what if' or a 'next-step' mindset. Granted some reasons why kush could have had the mindset to say he knows and says djo knows Im town: Ive claimed, kush had town reads on me, djo had changed to more town reads on me, so the setting assumed I was town. The problem I have with calling it a true scum-slip is that kush is in the best position to get lynched because of the mislynch on da0ud, making arguments easier and seemingly hold more power. Added to the fact that my own scum-read wants to off kush now has me mimicking djos feelings on kush (see above post). I need moooooore from kush to solve this, and before I would vote for him. @Djo The longer time goes on, you are slowly losing town credibility with me. Your contribution is high, and frankly this is becoming your game because your posting like a 1/3+ of the posts lol (and have a 10 page filter). For simply this reason I want you still alive because you are so active. Ive liked your recent contributions though, so I just want more solid content from you, rather than being so all over the place. Thats the other thing. Because you are so 'everywhere' but havent ever had really strong opinions on things (besides me for most of day1) it makes your 'unsure trying to be safe townie' look change to a 'careful mafia' look the longer time goes on. Ignore the pokes at you that lack real substance and give us more cases to discuss rather than your play. Your case against me was good, it got me to shape up and post better. And I like this discussion between cheese if it will get deeper. @Mr cheese. Kinda the same read I have with djo. The longer time goes on the more it seems like you are being super neutral/safe. Nothing you post has an edge to it, which while it is a quality I admire, it makes it difficult to really confirm anything with you, which leads to greater suspicions. The only real scum-hunting cases you have had are against da0ud and djo. I thought your arguments against da0ud were good because they were true, da0ud was acting scummy. So dont feel bad about it, keep going on the case with djo and see it you can get anything new. I would really like more so I can solidify my ideas about djo. I honestly find it difficult to comprehend everything he's saying in the first three paragraphs. It's a lot of speculation and "I think's" that don't reveal anything. He's not being strong in his wording. (I.E He is doing this, this is what's happening).The wall of text sure looks like he's contributing... The two @'s on the bottom reveal that he's null/town on me and null/scummy on Djo. Nothing really strong of opinion. + Show Spoiler + On October 28 2012 08:22 Inigmaticalism wrote: @Rad As I said I am utterly wary about kush. And I already posted about him posting about debears pm and about his town knowledge assumption. Here is what I learned reading kush's filter. Until the most recent posts where he has given short descriptions on multiple people, kush has been clear and focused. Case on da0ud, nothing else, takes a stance on me and consistently, in his own words "soft defends" me. And since then has appeared fairly helpful but has mostly been defending himself. This is interesting though. Day1 he explains he does not want to lynch Djo, even though he thinks he looks scummy, giving room to see what he will do (and prods Djo to do so). After Djo appears wishy-washy in the lynch Djo becomes kush's next top scum read. Logical follow-through. And then this and then another post right after So once again focused. He says he will bring a case against Djo tonight, and I am interested in reading it combined with Mr CCs promised case. I thought kush was just throwing Djo out there but then found this last post I quoted. Conclusion: Kush is a strange new piece of food that Ive never tired before, and Im keeping it at arms length because I dont know if its poisonous or not. The only way to find out is to ask questions, but it seems kush it getting enough heat so Ill only join in if I find anything (besides what I have found) useful. It seems to me that if nothing drastic changes (day post doesnt change much, not really any new cases) kush will be lynched tomorrow based on the overall opinions in the thread. It is my goal for Day 2 to find at least 1 good scum case because I dont think a kush lynch is optimal right now because I feel I do not know enough, and frankly the recent cases against him arent very strong. spcifically @Rad: if you can explain what we could possibly gain from knowing kush was lying about not recognizing debears I would become more interested in the answer. Kush did pretty much talk to debears most on Day 1 after all. This seems more like a summary of recent events than any real input whatsoever. All he says is: "I'm wary of him [Kush], but I do not know enough". It could just be bad town play, but these posts, in addition to a lack of scumhunting, don't seem like an actual contribution at all. Then I call him out for sheeping on the Dandel case. On October 29 2012 12:28 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: @Inig I find your vote on Dandel to be exceedingly odd. Your first post in D2, and you look at the thread and go "Hey, Alsn has a case on Dandel. I had suspicions of him before, better instantly agree with everything he says." You haven't said anything about Dandel since d1. It seems like you're actively lurking, and waiting for someone to bring up a case so you can sheep off of it. Admittedly, I find Dandel is to be scummy, but not as scummy as I find Djodref. Your post also conveniently avoids my concerns about the two posts being "walls of text" that don't contribute anything. I want to hear him specifically address these points, and give a more valid reason to his vote other than "I agree with Alsn's points, this isn't town behavior." Specific examples / quotes that make him believe Dandel is scum, other than just the sudden flaming. | ||
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And surprisingly Roco doesn't want to lynch Djo... Why not? Something smells super scummy about this entire situation. A lurker being scumbuddies with Djo just makes too much sense right now, especially with him returning the second he has the possibility of being lynched. | ||
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I guess you're right. Still, it's just, ugh. This game, man. Okay, so I'm really stunned by the return of prodigal son. That said, I really need to get some sleep. An Important Note Hurricane Sandy is approaching my front door. I may or may not have power when I wake up. If not, I obviously will not be posting for a while. So, If this is my last post: Godspeed gentlemen, lynch Djodref. | ||
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We need to lynch Djodref today! He has two official cases against him by myself and Debears, and nearly everyone in the thread has a scumread on him. He is the scummiest looking person in this thread by far. The fact that Roco comes back inconspicuously and defends him by voting Dandel is also huge. So, Inig seems scummy, Dandel seems scummy-- But Djodref is the common factor. In most people's eyes in this thread, he has, at the very least, a good potential to be scum. And in my eyes, he has the highest potential. + Show Spoiler + On October 28 2012 08:30 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: MY OPINION ON DJODREF A compilation of quotes, and reasons why I believe he is guilty By: Mr. Cheesecake _____________________________________________________________________________________________________ The Scumslip + Show Spoiler + On October 25 2012 18:25 Djodref wrote: Here is the infamous scumslip by Djo, he refers to Da0ud explicitly as town (who we now know IS town). There is little to say here: How does Djo know Da0ud is town? He doesn't even have a reason to think he's town. He even votes for Da0ud which I will address later.daoud Good ! I'm not planning on defending you this game so I expect you to do your job as town ![]() What's your take on the Rad-debears argument by the way? Furthermore, Djo provides us with the weakest defense for a scumslip ever: On October 25 2012 18:40 Djodref wrote: I don't know already if you are town or not. I've spoken too fast because I was thinking of our last game where you were town. It was a slip, but not a scumslip ![]() Regarding Roco, I understand your hunch but he reminds me your first weird posts last game. He is suspicious but he doesn't deserve red bold font yet imo ^^ All he says is "Not a scumslip, please move along" and plays it off like no big deal with a characteristic smiley and ^^. This explanation is nowhere near adequate enough to address the issue. “Are you Mafia?" Question + Show Spoiler + On October 25 2012 18:31 Djodref wrote: @Roco I have more questions for you. Why do you want to never be suspected ? Are you mafia ? I first picked up on this in my original FoS post. Why would you ask someone explicitly if they are mafia? What is even the PURPOSE of this? Is he attempting to arouse suspicion for Roco? On October 26 2012 01:12 Djodref wrote: How on God's green Earth would asking someone if they are mafia make them uncomfortable? All a scum player would need to rebuke it is: No. There is zero town motivation for asking someone if they are mafia.@sylver I'm sorry but not wanting to look suspicious is totally natural from a townie, especially from a total newbie. Adding the second question was only to make him uncomfortable if he was mafia. His Questions about Inig + Show Spoiler + It is obvious from the very beginning that Djo is suspicious of Ini. He asks everyone about what they think of him. Firstly: Why would Djo care what anyone else thinks? If his scum read were strong enough, he'd have the confidence (there's that word again...) to make a case without input from a third party. Secondly: He sometimes asks these questions in context of something else, as if to brush off some accusation against him. On October 25 2012 18:51 Djodref wrote: @daoud What do you think about Ini ? On October 25 2012 23:21 Djodref wrote: @debears If you are around, I would like to know what do you think about Inig first posts. On October 26 2012 01:21 Djodref wrote: I don't think that debears is advocating chaos. In my point of view, he is certainly promoting discussion. We could as well being still discussing policy lynches if he wasn't here. And please remind that it's quite easy for mafia to avoid a policy lynch. By the way, do you believe that we can lynch a scum on D1 ? What do you think of Inig ? He throws out two questions, one of them being about inig. What does Inig have anything to do with the discussion at hand? The only reason I can see for it is an attempt to derail the thread into something about Inig. On October 26 2012 08:25 Djodref wrote: @Alsn I would expect more from you than an half-assed FoS on me ![]() What do you think about Inig ? He completely brushes off the FoS from Alsn and asks about Inig instead. On October 26 2012 10:15 Djodref wrote: AGAIN, brushing off the FoS from Alsn, in favor of pursing interests of Ini.Honestly, I don't really care if Alsn has a FoS on me if it is for the reasons he has stated in his post. I know he is totally able to come at me with something more consistent if he really thinks I'm scum. Right now, I think his reasons are poor and I'm more interested in his opinion about Ini. These questions are nothing more than attempts to deflect discussion, away from him or otherwise, onto something else. An Appeal to Emotion + Show Spoiler + On October 26 2012 01:31 Djodref wrote: I'm still feeling bad for tunneling until death last game ![]() I even didn't have the balls to state that I had changed my mind about you at the end. As I feel some townie vibes from you in this game, I thought I could at least defend you this one time. debears <3 This is an outright appeal to emotion. He's feeling bad about last game, sure. Why bring it up? It bears no significance to anything in the thread other than making us feel bad for him. He even gives Debears a <3... really? 180 on Inig + Show Spoiler + On October 27 2012 08:56 Djodref wrote: Please note that this is the entire vote post.## Vote daoud Because his involvement in this game has not been great so far... This is 100% completely contradictory to everything Djo has previously said / advocated about Inig. He had a case on Inig, he was always asking those questions about him. Inig was, apparently, his biggest scum read. Why the sudden 180 degree turn and vote for Da0ud? It makes no sense whatsoever, and his explanation for dropping the vote was "I'm really starting to doubt myself about Inig's case..." and his reason for voting Da0ud is: "his involvement hasn't been great." Hardly enough to justify a revote. Djo's attempt to discredit me + Show Spoiler + On October 27 2012 08:00 Djodref wrote: @ Cheese What the fuck are you doing with your vote still on my back ? Come in the thread and choose who you want to lynch today between daoud and Ini. Tell us your reasons about it ! Here he advocates that I choose a side on the Da0ud-Inig debate, which I eventually did once I returned. Also: why is he so paranoid about my vote on him? On October 27 2012 17:53 Djodref wrote: @ Cheese At this point, were you considering that daoud and Inig were better candidate than me ? You have been suspecting me for quite a long time D1 and you suddenly prefer to lynch daoud because some replacement came in and told you he was scummy ? You alsmost didn't consider him at all until that point yet you have no problem with lynching him instead of your top scumread (which was me) ? I'm pretty surprised that you didn't try to push my lynch. This post contradicts the previous. He explicitly TOLD me to weigh in on the debate and cast my vote for one of the others. Why the heck is he calling me out for it? Is this not what he asked for from me? On October 27 2012 23:19 Djodref wrote: As you can see, I was a little more than your best scumread. Nevertheless, you gave little to no protest about lynching daoud or ini over me. Big scumtell in my book. And here Djo is trying to further his case about my vote of Da0ud. There is a portion after the lynch where I try to explain to him that my biggest scumread was still on him. That pursuing his case at the time would have produced nothing; that I voted for Da0ud because he looked scummier than Inig; Check either of our filters about it. (page 38ish of the thread). He seems sour that I have a scumread / FoS on him and a vote most of the day. This entire ploy to discredit me is baseless, and likely an attempt to thwart my future attempts at scum hunting him. General Thread Clutter (my opinion) + Show Spoiler + Admittedly some of it is defense, his filter is huge and he's talking on absolutely every page. The thread doesn't need to know every thought that pops in your head. A large majority is just casual conversation without his own input on certain subjects. Is this an attempt to bury logical arguements? He's trying to post a lot to seem like he's contributing, but I find most of his questions/concerns pointless. Take the "scumtell on Kush" post. I don't think anyone in the thread thought it was a scumtell, but he made a fuss over it. A Final Note + Show Spoiler + Look at who Djodref has suspicions (FoS's) on. Me and Sylverfyre. I oppose him, and Sylverfyre has tunneled him hard. His best scum reads are on people that find him highly suspicious! What does this say? He's scared. He's scared and replying by digging up any dirt he can on us. After synthesizing all of what you have posted Djo, the jig is up. You are SCUM + Show Spoiler + On October 29 2012 03:51 debears wrote: wow lol posted it in the last newbie. Thrawn we did the same thing :/ fuck me lol A Second case on Djo Since my first case, Djo hasn't done much to help my read on him. In fact, after rereading his filter again, I'd say my scumread on him is even stronger. Points in the original case/cases 1) Stated and Acted as though he had a town read on me day 1, then denies it when pressured by Rad 2) His two scumslips (slips as he calls them) - Dau0d town comment and the slip when talking about Alsn's fOS 3) Wanting me to "Take care of Rad" day 1 The Day 1 lynch First, I want to point out his indecisiveness and apparent apathy to who he wanted lynched. Djo's first actual pursuit was Inig. He was pressing on Inig pretty well. However, when asked who he would want to lynch, he says Sylver (with his vote on Inig) A couple of posts later, he unvotes and states why he doesn't want to lynch Inig suddenly. That's quite the turnaround after the pressure and vote His only reason for not voting Inig was that Inig seemed "sincere". In fact, he said that it would be rational to lynch Inig based on his posting. That one post is a huge contradiction. Notice how during his time, he puts suspicion on Sylver. Also, notice the timing of the unvote. He unvoted when there were other people agreeing with his case. That's really weird combined with the "he's sincere" reasoning on Inig. Djo's approach on Dau0d Despite Djo's suspicions on Inig and Sylver, he ends up voting Dau0d. Why? Lets see Not the greatest reasoning. He does provide some reasoning right after though. Notice his reasoning. It's literally almost the same for Inig. Yet, he feels that Inig was "more distinguished in asking questions/contributing". I don't get it. Also, he didn't think Dau0d's meta was different than Dau0d's town game when he posted this earlier. He flip-flopped onto Dau0d after kush's case while spreading suspicion onto 2 other plays (slyverfyre and Inig). His reasoning for moving his suspicion around was poor at the best. To me, it seems like he didn't care who got lynched Hammering CheeseCake for the Switched Vote This was posted after the lynch Isn't this similar to what Djo did? Yet Djo is calling him out for it? Djo had no considerations of Dau0d until the kush case was posted. Yet again, a FOS for hypocritical reasoning. Not only did Djo drop his top scumread for poor reasoning, he voted for Dau0d for poor reasoning. And now he's spreading suspicion on CheeseCake. This post, however, is the kicker Djo told him to change his vote in the first place!!!!!!!!!! Then, he tries to accuse Cheese of scum since Cheese did it???? Wow. Meta Djo has little meta to go on with only 2 games. However, there are differences from his town game and scum game. These differences, related to this game, are not damning by any means, but do support that Djo could be scum. 1) Djo is capable of being active as scum. His filter was roughly 9 pgs as scum in Looney 2)His case format this game compared to his other games http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=372945¤tpage=58#1147 - Game as scum http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=374466¤tpage=23#441 - this game Look at the shocking similarities. Now, this could be how he likes to post now, since this is only his 3rd game. However, in looking at his first newbie as cop, no posts have the same format (Correct me if I'm wrong on this Djo) 3) Personality - Djo's personality this game is similar to his other games as cop and mafia. Take out the newbie card play, and he sounds the same in all 3. Thus, his personality is a null tell, but it mean that he can be mafia A Common Fallacy I think this game has fallen into the trap of activity = town. That is not always the case. Take a long hard look at Djo's filter and this case. His filter is huge and it was a bitch to go through. Mafia can hide in a big filter. Djo is my number 2 scum read besides Dandel right now. I still need to see if Dandel even comes back (and defends himself properly + has something to contribute) before I would think of voting Djo. Let me know if you need clarification on anything. Reading Djo's filter + writing out the case = sucks These are two main cases against him. Djodref looks waaaay scummier than Dandel at this point. Why? Cold, hard facts. There has been thorough investigation of Djodref, and the only real case against Dandel has been based on some WIFOM, the fact that he hasn't really contributed and "wanted to lynch an SK" which I still don't fully understand. Djodref is SCUM, and every person here can see it in at least some way or another. Everyone kept saying on Day 1 that "If he's scum, then he'll show it eventually." Well, guess what, he has. He's even trying to get out of his lynch by pressuring the favorable scumread (Dandel), and giving completely hypocritical reasons as why we should lynch him (I.E. didn't pressure top scumread [Ini]at the end of d1 ----> Djo didn't EITHER!) The mountain of evidence against Djodref is colossal in comparison to Dandel or Inig. He must be lynched TODAY! To the folks in this thread -- We are keeping Djodref around too long, and affording him the chance to clutter up the thread with nonsense. Ask yourselves: Do we really want him to slip through our fingers again? He has shown himself time and time again to be scum. Gentlemen, I'm counting on you to make the correct decision in this matter. I don't have much time before this hurricane veritably destroys my internet connection. In the midst of this, I bid you adieu. | ||
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I see Djo was lynched -- and town?? Wow. What is happening with this game... Other concerns: It seems there was a lot of movement towards me at the last second and I'm not sure exactly why. I see Nack had some concerns about me, and it seems like a lot of people (the lurkers) sheeped onto it for the swing vote. The motivations behind this from them really deserve an explanation. Roco/Inig have obviously been reading the thread, but not contributing at all. Inig contributes here and there when he sees fit. This behavior, and especially the last minute votes, are indicative of active lurking--one of the scummiest traits available. (Although, I have no clue WHY they would choose to vote like this...) I'm especially suspicious of Inig at this point since I've accused him of active lurking prior to this, and he refuses to defend himself. Maybe he was sour, voted for me because I was calling him out, and wanted me dead. As for Roco, I really don't know what to make of him. He's the lurkiest person I've ever seen and has been slipping under the radar because we thought he was going to be replaced / mk'd. For now, until I can get some clarity to the reasons behind Inig's motives, ##FoS: Inig | ||
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On October 31 2012 00:03 debears wrote: @Rad Part of the dilemma we have right now is Inig and Roco right now They are 1) Purposely playing the worst games as town I've ever seen (not playing to win) 2) Scum playing to win 1 is entirely possible since this is a newbie game. If they are town, maybe they should have /obs'd this one. 2 might be true, but if so Roco has the worst scum tactic ever because everyone knows lurking heavily is a scum trait. Inig at least posts some content / sheeps to blend in or seem logical. | ||
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On October 31 2012 00:11 Rad wrote: I agree that we can't base anything just on djo's one statement. What I was getting at was there are other ways to try to get a read on inig and roco. We have a bunch of dead townies now. What did they think about inig and roco before they were killed? This is an interesting notion. I'll look through the deceased's filters to see what I can find about them. On a general note, I know roco day1 wasn't well-received. | ||
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Kush's thoughts about Inig: + Show Spoiler + On October 27 2012 04:54 kushm4sta wrote: Inig's posts have improved. Recently he has been sharing his thoughts like crazy. The cases against him: I think these are examples of mistakes that newbie townie could easily make. He is a null/town read atm. I don't want to lynch him. Consider this a soft defense. On October 27 2012 08:50 kushm4sta wrote: So to summarize the case against inig: 1 Lack of strong scumreads (especially early) 2 Multitude of half assed, inconclusive suspicions 3 Reliance on town reads I can see a first timer easily doing any of these things. Summary: He thinks Inig is newbie town. Null tell. Da0ud's thoughts on Roco: + Show Spoiler + On October 25 2012 18:29 da0ud wrote: @debears I do like your attitude in putting a case up against Rad at the moment and I mostly agree on the content and arguments behind. However, I do believe you are getting a bit to enthusiastic at the moment. Try to remain a little bit open-minded at the beginning of the game. You don't want to put all your focus on Rad and forget about the others. I would encourage other people to participate more in order to have a clearer picture on who wants what, and how they plan to scum-hunt. Anyway, your attitude gives me a townie-read on you, deabers. Neutral on Rad and Djo. I, however have a scum first hunch on Roco and his weird post, where he seem to encourage people not to post: less posts => less information => good for mafia. Da0ud's thoughts about Inig: On October 26 2012 22:41 da0ud wrote: Ebwop : sorry phone posting. Ill finsih the post : Deb and rad have been so active and poking at each otjers that they actually look very townie to me. Pushing ideas, bringing content, putting pressure. Talking about smileyDjo he has put a lot of pressure on people. Asking open questions etc. For having played a game with him where he played to nice lovable newbie card, I believe he is trying to step up and actually be a leader for town. I put him 90% town. I totally hate the lurkers who actually do not post anything and hide to avoid potential suspicions. Id rather lynch lurking townie first day who doesn't help get info and push others to scumslip. If scum are among active player we will have time to hunt them down. They will contradict themselves. And we have semi lurkers like roco or blending ini. Which are pretty much as bad for town. I would like to put my vote on Ini at the moment cause roco seems like a total newbie trying to stand out. ##Vote Ini Summary: Has ill-feelings about both early game. Thinks Roco is scum because of his first two posts, votes Inig because of semi-lurking / blending in. Clarity's thoughts on Inig: On October 26 2012 01:51 Clarity_nl wrote: Inig is odd so far. His posts are all blank statements that don't further discussion. This is generally a scum trait but can be found in newer players as well. Saying things like Rad and debears should "watch out for eachother" because they come from different angles or pointing out that someone asked a good question. Summary: Inig posts "blank statements that don't further discussion". Could be scum / newbie town. Sylverfyre on lynching Inig / Roco + Show Spoiler + On October 25 2012 22:15 sylverfyre wrote: Let me also be clear: Opposing a policy and opposing the specific instance of a policy being enacted are two entirely different things. Just because I'm not opposed to Lynch a Lurker doesn't mean I think we should invoke it automatically. But if we were closer to lynch time, and Ini and Roco still only had the posts they have... I'd vote for one of them. By not responding adequately to accusations made against you, you give the town very little to work with. On October 26 2012 02:43 sylverfyre wrote: Really wanna see some of the quiet ones post more (Thanks Clarity, for speaking up! Figured it was just a matter of 'haven't been on yet' in the case of 0posters.) especially Ini and Roco, who posted a little (Ini dodged my question, which I don't fault him for because the question was kindof a shitty one anyway - but not a lot of meaty content and in Roco's case, some rather confusing/questioanble tactics which I already stated I consider anti-town. If/when 24 hours pass since Roco's last comment and he hasn't put any meat into his stance, I'm going to vote him. Summary: Thinks Inig/Roco aren't explaining well / being quiet posters, would lynch one of them. (later votes Roco) These posts really don't say anything more than we don't already know concerning Inig and Roco: Inig or Roco could be elusive scum or newbie town. What they do reveal, however, is that the rest of the town see's how inactive they both are being, and realize their potential for being scum. I don't believe anyone has a good thing to say about either of them. It's also interesting that Roco and Inig are referred to in the same context as we are discussing right now. They are being lumped together as one person, sort of, being lurky and blending in. So, the dead town pretty much agrees with us on Inig / Roco earlier in the game. They see them as scummy / lurky. Kush is the really only one who takes a firm stance on Inig being newbie town. Thoughts? | ||
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I address this in bold. On October 31 2012 01:49 Alsn wrote: Ok, working yet again under the theory that Cheese and Dandel are of different alignments, I'm seriously starting consider if Cheese might be the third scum. First of all, I find Cheese' explanation for why he thought Djod was scum and not SK highly suspect. Mostly because he made the clarification for why he thought so after Rad claimed vigi. At the time, I was considering a slight possibility for Djo to be SK. After the NK, there was either an SK or Vig. I was sure he was scum, and if not scum then surely SK. (SK would have been the case for his lone wolf behavior). Once Rad claimed Vig, I had Djo pinned as scum. Secondly, he kept Dandel open as a lynch target as soon as I made my case but he had given no indication whatsoever earlier in the thread that he really thought Dandel was scummy. The one time he actually gives his opinion on Dandel is a post giving Dandel advice that he shouldn't "act" confused. If anything, that's the very definition of scum behaviour, offering friendly advice to players they know to be town. Link here. The only thing I found suspect concerning Dandel was the fact that he was acting confused. Someone going around being like "Damn, I'm confused, Idk who's scum!" is almost as bad as playing the newbie card. In other words, telling people that you have no idea about anything isn't contributing anything. I wasn't offering him advice; I was calling him out for it. The reason I kept Dandel open as a lynch target was mainly due to his flaming. I didn't really like your case to much, but I found Dandel's reaction under pressure odd. Afterwards, he explained himself, and I wanted to continue with my Djo case because it was based on more solid facts. Then after several posts of actually agreeing that Dandel looks scummy, he goes around and says here that - and I'm paraphrasing - "no wait, actually, I never thought Dandel was all that scummy, only his response to your case!" as well as saying my case sucked because the premise was bad. Yet the only thing my premise even suggested was that I thought Djod acting like a lone scum seemed weird and I looked at other possibilities because of it. Dandel tunnelling kush while in hindsight he probably only meant to do because kush is kush, at the time it was most certainly not a bad argument(and still isn't, but Dandel's other actions look much better for him at this point). Again, the reason I found Dandel scummy was because of his behavior in reaction to your post, not because of your case itself. This is the same reason I found Inig to be suspicious Day 1--the part where he was getting all emotional and calling arguments stupid. I was considering switching my vote because flamming, and subsequently not explaining yourself, just screams "I'm scum, I slipped and can't defend myself". Interestingly, the point that this happened at is after several posters had criticised me for WIFOMing about Djod(debears among others) so now Cheese must be feeling that he can't keep the option of lynching Dandel instead of Djod open any longer and tries to shut any non-Djod lynch down. I reckon he probably expected Djod to continue acting scummy but unless he conspired with both Roco and Inig I don't think he could have predicted the day to end like it did. Who could have predicted this end to d2? The only thing I'm really questioning at this point is how exactly the pre-lynch chaos fits into all of this if both Roco and Inig are scum. Because then I don't see how Cheese could possibly be scum as unless it's an extremely ballsy bluff it just doesn't fit. I don't think scum were in any position to have to gamble on bluffing at all, getting Djod lynched seems like a pretty good result for scum to me. Basically, right now unless I find someone else that I consider more scummy, I need to decide whether or not I want to take the risk of lynching Inig or Roco(still leaning Roco in that case by the way) or to go with an actual case, because I just don't think a rock solid case can be made against either of them. I sincerely hope that they actually try and participate from this point because otherwise I still don't see how I have any other choice than to lynch one of them. @ Nack I was responding to Rad's question: "What did the dead think about Roco/Inig?" To be honest, they thought the same things we are thinking now, which isn't much help. And I've been suspecting Inig since the other day. How do you know Debears is town? | ||
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On October 31 2012 02:42 Alsn wrote: Your first retort doesn't make sense. I just don't understand how you can be sure someone is scum, yet if not then he must be a serial killer? The way scum and serial killer plays should be vastly different. If anything, suspecting someone as being scum should eliminate suspicions that he's a serial killer simply because their objectives and likely behaviours are vastly different. Are their behaviors really that different? Both would want to come off as town, just like everyone does. I've always figured that scum and SK would want to play in a similar way. The only difference is that the SK doesn't have the same information that scum has in terms of who's town. | ||
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On October 30 2012 08:26 nackhtjogger wrote: I suggest you rethink what you know about blending in because Cheesecake has neurotically tried it. He's the definition of trying to blend in. Also he publishes his case on Djo right after Djo says he's leaving. Then I post about him and he disappears. I'm not saying he's lying about his RL issues.. but if so he's choosing his availability very conveniently. @ Nack How, exactly, am I the definition of blending in? Also, you come in this game late and pull my case out of thin air. Sheeping onto the djo/dandel vote would have made you suspicious, so you try to come up with something original. Your one post about me where you quote my Da0ud vote is based on nothing but "A scum would want you to believe this! He's trying to blend in!" You then proceed to choke us with your so-called "experience", seemingly saying that you've played this game a lot before and your words are absolutely true. Why should we believe you? | ||
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On October 31 2012 04:12 nackhtjogger wrote: If there are 3 scums, there is nothing to discuss. It's game over. It's been well-established that there are 3 scum in this game. The game starts with 3 and none have been killed yet. Math. So by your standard, since there are 3 scum, we shouldn't be discussing anything? | ||
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I address your bolded "case" in underline. Most of your argument is "Scum want you to believe he's doing this" | ||
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What's the purpose in asking him if he's been roleblocked? | ||
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You sure do change opinions a lot. You thought Dandel was scum, then thought he was town after RB claim, now after Rad does in fact flip vig you consider him scum again? I understand the setup considerations you mention, but your opinion seems to be swaying from one extreme to the other very quickly. What's your opinion on a Roco / Inig lynch? Also, at this point, a ton of lynches are looking like coin flips to me. The only one I don't see having much a chance to flip red is Debears. Roco/Nack/Inig are looking 50/50 to me. Maybe Roco a bit more if he's a scum that just refused to post so he couldn't get called out and skates by on just a vote post. (Why wasn't he NK'd... GAH) | ||
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Maybe the Rad flip really did catch him off guard? I agree that his opinion switching is a tad odd, but maybe the flip just hit the switch for him and suddenly everything was clear? | ||
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Now that we know rad killed Kush n1... I'm trying to think -- what was the scum motivation for killing Sylver? It might be completely off-base but I'm willing to look into anything that isn't speculation or a lurker right now. | ||
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I'm pretty sure it is mylo atm. | ||
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Day 1 I had said that "something grave had come up" and that I'd be gone. This occurrence was my dad blacking out in the bathroom and hitting his head on the sink--so I took him for medical care. Luckily no major injury. As for today, I spent the entirety of last night writing two papers, I caught ~1 1/2 hours of shut-eye, went to class, got home and fell asleep from around 3p.m-7:00ish (~1:15 mins ago). Trick-or-treaters woke me up. gg sleep schedule. If you have any questions feel free to ask them now. I have some thoughts I'll share in a moment once I make some dinner (breakfast?). | ||
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On November 01 2012 09:21 Alsn wrote: Oh well, I guess I'll go sleep. I sincerely hope that Inig and Roco show up and that you've actually done some talking to them by the time I wake up. I predict a little snippet by Inig, and I bet roco just plops down his vote with nothing else. | ||
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Roco is nothing more than a glorified coin flip. Hasn't said anything the entire game and is skating by on vote posts. If this weren't lylo, I'm almost certain we'd be dog piling on top of him. Nothing he has done is indicative as even remotely pro-town. As for Inig, I found his play to be scummy because of semi-lurking, posting little content, and sheeping the popular cases. He comes in the thread and gives us some excuse about emotional burdens and ragequitting. Suddenly, everyone doesn't seem to even consider the possibility of him flipping red. I'm not discounting how true his claim is -- but that would be one sad way to lose if he is scum playing the simultaneous noob town / emotional card. Concerning Dandel... Ugh, I don't know what to think. Claiming to have RB'd Inig... He, himself could lying, maybe Inig is lying. Maybe both are telling the truth. Seems like a 50-50 chance that he's scum, and I'm finding it difficult to get behind a Dandel lynch for the same reasons I couldn't d2: there is just too much riding on assumption / speculation. On Nack I said somewhere before that he's trying to "choke us with his experience". Trying to come in this thread and assert his authority by assuring us that he's really good at this game, knows who the scum are, and is most definitely town. His case against me is based purely on WIFOM and I'm not even sure where he's coming from on my "scumbuddy" Alsn. I invoke the words of the late Kush to assist me: On September 28 2012 09:01 kushm4sta wrote: Sorry but who appointed this asshole boss? | ||
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On November 01 2012 09:47 debears wrote: @Alsn I went through a game of the UberNinja/Nackht mafiascum games. I looked at this game http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=23437&start=175 I find that he is likely UberNinja. His posting style (trolling, quoting and confusing) and timing (posting in clusters) ring true in the mafiascum game Just glanced over that, "this vote is lolcakes" made me giggle. To come here and claim "I've got a trolly meta, no worries it's all good" is pretty rich, however. | ||
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While I appreciate the defense, I think people have made up their minds on me for the most part. I'm that guy that spearheaded the lynch on the venerable Djodref----Inig said himself that he wants to "continue the legacy of Djo" by voting me or following whatever the hell Nack wants to do. Speaking of which, it seems like Nack has the lurkers (or at least Inig) around his little finger if I'm not mistaken. Inig even explicitly calls Nack town "bringing down the hammer of judgement on mafia". How is he so sure Nack is even town? I find it odd that both the lurkers come out of hiding to suddenly and unquestionably listen to this guy (by voting) and that Inig puts a firm townie stamp on his head. Doesn't make any sense to me. | ||
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On October 26 2012 07:42 Inigmaticalism wrote: Thanks clarity. Oh ok. Guess Ill not try to make myself look like a townie in the thread. Might get mistaken as WIFOM. So then what would be a wifom defense vs a non wifom defense? You can argue anything that way a long as you dont like it. I find just about every argument/case presented so far to be stupid and pointless. To be straight up, this first day/night cycle Im not going to contribute that much. I thought I had much more time when I signed up and then RL got stupid busy out of nowhere. My time will free up much more starting around Sunday-Monday, and then Ill be able to give the amount of time Ive wanted to give. If you dont like it, tough, but I dont like it either and Im quite frustrated about it. Whine about it if you want, but it is what it is. He gets extremely emotional, calling all of the accusations against him "stupid and pointless". The second he is being attacked, he feels the need to lash out emotionally. On October 28 2012 08:51 Inigmaticalism wrote: @Rad I see your point, Im now interested to know as well. Based on what kush has already said though, I dont know how we are ever going to be able to confirm it. I will keep watching however. @Mr CC I love your post! I do not have time and am leaving immediately after I post this so I cant elaborate more until after day post, but your Djo's attempt to discredit me segment is profound. *I may as well not post anymore cause Im always proven wrong within the same page :/ He never elaborates on my post. If he truly thought my arguements were profound, why does his first D2 post completely 180 from the idea and onto Dandel? He doesn't seem to really care about who's being lynched. Especially with his djo-dandel-myself flop in terms of thinking. Here he gets angry again. I call him out for not contributing / active lurking in this post: On October 29 2012 02:43 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Here's my promised snippet on Inig One thing I find odd about Inig. Some of his posts are complete walls; walls of speculation and theory that don't really contribute. Look at this post: + Show Spoiler + On October 28 2012 02:48 Inigmaticalism wrote: To me (and from what I have actually read) this seems to be the biggest scum-slip so far in the game (regardless of whether it is or isnt). I think this because we do not know anyone's alignments, especially day 1, and kush assumes the case that djo knows I am town, and by doing so indirectly himself as well. And I just got done typing a wifom kind of argument that I love making so much so I deleted it. Granted I find it a bigger slip simply because I know I am town. I have already said how I thought that kush obviously knows what he was doing, and saying something like this from this type of player does not feel like an oversight, and despite me claiming and them having town reads on me you still wouldnt know for certain. This combined with these other cases being brought against him I feel all hold at least a little weight and have me feeling utterly wary of kush, especially his arrogant 'yeah, funny/dumb cases' as his defense. I would like more defenses with less mocking/anger in them, but if that if your playstyle so be it. -Also kush telling of debears talking in other threads and PMs and whatnot up-front seems to discredit debears and give kush credibility by being the 'good guy' and bringing info to the thread. It could be used in a case against debears, for example, but kush just puts it out there. I think the motive seems more about gaining more power and discrediting debears rather than really trying to inform the thread. I think town has very little to gain by knowing this knowledge because it can be taken out of context and any number of ways, and kiush should have just pmed host and be done with it. Now, it could have been a 'what if' or a 'next-step' mindset. Granted some reasons why kush could have had the mindset to say he knows and says djo knows Im town: Ive claimed, kush had town reads on me, djo had changed to more town reads on me, so the setting assumed I was town. The problem I have with calling it a true scum-slip is that kush is in the best position to get lynched because of the mislynch on da0ud, making arguments easier and seemingly hold more power. Added to the fact that my own scum-read wants to off kush now has me mimicking djos feelings on kush (see above post). I need moooooore from kush to solve this, and before I would vote for him. @Djo The longer time goes on, you are slowly losing town credibility with me. Your contribution is high, and frankly this is becoming your game because your posting like a 1/3+ of the posts lol (and have a 10 page filter). For simply this reason I want you still alive because you are so active. Ive liked your recent contributions though, so I just want more solid content from you, rather than being so all over the place. Thats the other thing. Because you are so 'everywhere' but havent ever had really strong opinions on things (besides me for most of day1) it makes your 'unsure trying to be safe townie' look change to a 'careful mafia' look the longer time goes on. Ignore the pokes at you that lack real substance and give us more cases to discuss rather than your play. Your case against me was good, it got me to shape up and post better. And I like this discussion between cheese if it will get deeper. @Mr cheese. Kinda the same read I have with djo. The longer time goes on the more it seems like you are being super neutral/safe. Nothing you post has an edge to it, which while it is a quality I admire, it makes it difficult to really confirm anything with you, which leads to greater suspicions. The only real scum-hunting cases you have had are against da0ud and djo. I thought your arguments against da0ud were good because they were true, da0ud was acting scummy. So dont feel bad about it, keep going on the case with djo and see it you can get anything new. I would really like more so I can solidify my ideas about djo. I honestly find it difficult to comprehend everything he's saying in the first three paragraphs. It's a lot of speculation and "I think's" that don't reveal anything. He's not being strong in his wording. (I.E He is doing this, this is what's happening).The wall of text sure looks like he's contributing... The two @'s on the bottom reveal that he's null/town on me and null/scummy on Djo. Nothing really strong of opinion. + Show Spoiler + On October 28 2012 08:22 Inigmaticalism wrote: @Rad As I said I am utterly wary about kush. And I already posted about him posting about debears pm and about his town knowledge assumption. Here is what I learned reading kush's filter. Until the most recent posts where he has given short descriptions on multiple people, kush has been clear and focused. Case on da0ud, nothing else, takes a stance on me and consistently, in his own words "soft defends" me. And since then has appeared fairly helpful but has mostly been defending himself. This is interesting though. Day1 he explains he does not want to lynch Djo, even though he thinks he looks scummy, giving room to see what he will do (and prods Djo to do so). After Djo appears wishy-washy in the lynch Djo becomes kush's next top scum read. Logical follow-through. And then this and then another post right after So once again focused. He says he will bring a case against Djo tonight, and I am interested in reading it combined with Mr CCs promised case. I thought kush was just throwing Djo out there but then found this last post I quoted. Conclusion: Kush is a strange new piece of food that Ive never tired before, and Im keeping it at arms length because I dont know if its poisonous or not. The only way to find out is to ask questions, but it seems kush it getting enough heat so Ill only join in if I find anything (besides what I have found) useful. It seems to me that if nothing drastic changes (day post doesnt change much, not really any new cases) kush will be lynched tomorrow based on the overall opinions in the thread. It is my goal for Day 2 to find at least 1 good scum case because I dont think a kush lynch is optimal right now because I feel I do not know enough, and frankly the recent cases against him arent very strong. spcifically @Rad: if you can explain what we could possibly gain from knowing kush was lying about not recognizing debears I would become more interested in the answer. Kush did pretty much talk to debears most on Day 1 after all. This seems more like a summary of recent events than any real input whatsoever. All he says is: "I'm wary of him [Kush], but I do not know enough". It could just be bad town play, but these posts, in addition to a lack of scumhunting, don't seem like an actual contribution at all. And in response to it... On October 29 2012 12:30 Inigmaticalism wrote: k fine im absolutely horrible. Which means rad, debears, Mr CC and/or alsn are the mafia. Good job. His next post is a vote for me. Okay so he thinks Djo is a good scum candidate because of my case, proceeds to sheep onto the Dandel vote, and then OMGUS votes me because I called him out for lurking / not contributing. I also like how he doesn't even mention Roco or Nack as possibilities for being scum, but everyone else could be. He voted me for two reasons: 1.) So he wouldn't be responsible for the Djo lynch. 2.) I was calling him out / had suspicions of him. If I was lynched, everyone would be on Djo's ass right now and my suspicions of Inig would have been sated. If Djo is lynched, he looks good because he opposed it. Either way voting me is good for him as scum. The response here shows that he only gets emotional / ragequits when someone has an argument against him (guilty conscience). A defense based on "I get really emotional sometimes, and that's why I can't defend myself" is pretty much BS. He's a pressured scum that can't defend himself so reacts by lashing out. Later, he gives us the excuse about ragequitting and emotion. On October 31 2012 07:09 Inigmaticalism wrote: I have decided to relent a little, in the hopes that someone still alive is actually town. Yay for nack. To explain what happened: I ragequit. And I apologize for that, I had no idea I would find mafia so emotionally taxing. (Mafia LITERALLY takes 8+ hours a day to play properly, so if I ever play again itll have to be when I am out of school and real life demands are at an all time low. Oh ya, and itll be fun getting shut down by everyone who looks at meta knowing they can just make me ragequit if they want.) The whole town needs to also kill the SK but it wasnt specified in the set-up was the last straw. Ive seen set-ups that specifically say town needs to eliminate all third parties or all threats to town, and this one didnt. If its always assumed that this is the case Im sorry, because Im new. I am glad the hosts stated it was the case later though. In any case, I had already shown myself that I couldnt make logical posts when upset, so I stepped away. (Cheese asked what my last post (besides that voting one) meant, here ya go). By the time I came back, it was too late to say anything. the majority thought I was scum regardless (and still do), and it was shown when I voted and almost got lynched for it (ill get to that in a minute). Besides, no one listened to what I said before, why now? I was the one to first suggest Rad and debears were town, which went largely ignored, then suddenly people started coming to the same conclusion all on their own. Also, its EXTREMELY suspicious in my eyes that no one has ever challenged this at all, but maybe only because ive been wrong about everything. I was the FIRST ONE to cast suspicion/pressure on Dandel, only dandel and da0ud paid any attention. Alsn makes a case on dandel Day2, I join the cause Ive already been fighting for, and everyone says Im sheeping the case. ....WHAT?? Ok, sheeping: the act of following an argument you originally had that was brought up again by someone else. Or people just didnt read my 'walls of text'. (And btw, since Ive been wrong about everything, you Dandel are now leaning townie in my eyes. But not that it matters.) To me, only two things made sense: town was bad, or mafia were the active ones and had successfully gotten me out of the picture. (and/or Im really bad). I already knew I knew nothing and had nothing to go on. As time went on Djo became less and less scummy to me, perhaps because he was actually interested in playing the game and winning rather than everyone else who just seems to want to be right about everything. If my new theory that the town circle was infested with scum, why not vote against them? I decided if nothing else, I wanted Djo to see his goals realized whatever they may be, so voted for cheese as djo requested. (Sure, "if he was mafia you werent playing to your win-con". Yes I agree, accept at the time I decided I thought Djo was town, so I was.) Admittedly, this game has been one of the least fun things I have done on the internet, but that last minute Day2 voting crazyness was actually really fun, I have to say, regardless of how it turned out. And Roco earned points in my book for doing what I did too, that was sooooo fun. And the whole mislynch almost on me too. Would have been better than killing djo at least. This is my explaination, and I refuse to defend myself any further. It would be pointless. You have already decided what you are going to do with me (think in your head, you already know what youre going to do, even if you havent said it). All that you really want is my vote, which I am keeping for myself, and with it I will continue Djo's legacy against Cheese. And if Im still alive after that perhaps Ill follow Nack, although with him recently bringing the hammer of judgement down on the mafias I hope he lives through tonight. This town is horrible, and I am one of the worst ones, I know. Or, perhaps, its a newbish town vs a more experienced mafia, but within context both are still true. Im interested in seeing what the case was when the game is over. The reason I say this is because town is still arguing over lack-luster stuff!! The ONLY thing town has going for them right now in terms of finding mafia is luker policy lynching!! Thats IT!!!! It is OBVIOUS were screwed if there are 3 mafia and a SK like nack said, why are you guys arguing about it? The only scum-hunting cases at the moment are the ones against cheese and alsn because nack brought them back up because no one cares what djo said before he died, and everyones actually MAD about it (although since I think its the scum, that would make sense). I do not discount myself from this, because I know I said I would look up cases against people and havent, so I am as much to blame. Why does Inig think Nack is town? There is no reason to believe so at all. He also openly says that he's probably going to vote for me because I lynched Djo, or aimlessly follow Nack for whatever reason. What??? Either Inig is putting his full faith into Nack for zero reason, or they are scumbuddies and he's trying to play him off as town. In addition, he buddies up Roco by saying what they did (last minute votes) was "really cool". Also, it really wouldn't surprise me at this point if he voted Dandel, despite him saying he's leaning "mostly townie", as an attempt to bus in the event they are both scum or to just consolidate for a mislynch. Inig's posts seem to be a fake cry that says "I'm a distressed town! Really emotional about this whole thing, because I do care!" Inig says that he's one of the worst towns. Either he is the worst town ever, or he's scum trying to cover his tracks with this appeal to emotion and playing the newbie card. I find 4 blues to be more plausible (especially with no mason claims, the possibility of scum power roles, and maybe a miller) than Inig flipping green. His actions are notoriously anti-town, even moreso than just lurking like Roco. At this point, I see no reason to not lynch him. ##Vote: Inig @Debears + Alsn Your votes on Dandel are basically just to consolidate with Nack, and rest on the fact that 4 blues is a wish-washy scenario. What do you think about Inig and his behavior? | ||
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On November 02 2012 05:17 Alsn wrote: I've looked over your case, and while I don't necessarily disagree that Inig does look scummy, something else sticks out much more to me. What I find interesting is that you're trying to dismiss the massive amount of discussion we've had with regards to Dandel as if it was entirely based on the unlikelihood of four blues? I'm not dismissing it. It just seems to me that's what the entire thing boils down to with him, a glorified coin flip. You've been pretty flip-floppy with your opinions on everyone, and Debears literally said he's voting to consolidate on one person. Dandel is 50-50 to me at this point, but Inig is 75-25 in my eyes. I don't see any town motivation for any of his actions. | ||
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His motivation is that I had been bringing up scummy things he was doing. After I posted my thing about "walls of text" he just ragequit and called rad/you/debears/dandel/me possible scum. I was the only person who pointed this stuff out, he saw the last minute bandwagon on me, and decided to join in. Also, in the event that Djo got lynched instead of me, he would look good because he was pro-Djo (hence his vote post: For Djo!) Just staying on Dandel would have made it seem like he didn't care who was being lynched. Even Roco voted between the two of us. | ||
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On November 02 2012 06:18 Inigmaticalism wrote: replied in bold. Im replying cause this post made me laugh so hard. Whew. Ouch. Ok im better now. ##Vote: Mr. Cheesecake If you want to derail the thread or the vote on scum Dandel or whatever at least try. Your first posts at least seemed good. *If we need a lot of help getting dandel killed I may help, idk yet. Lol, you knew djo wouldn't flip scum; that's the whole point because you're scum. Your reply is laughable because Alsn just asked me what your motivations were, and I replied by giving what I think they were as scum. Of course I'm speaking on your behalf. The only point you make that actually is relevant is the thing about Roco. Oh, and it's obvious you're active lurking at this point because the second you get something addressed to you, you show up. Nice try to discredit me with all the fancy crossouts / irrelevant information. Nice OMGUS vote too. You're just digging yourself further into the grave as far as I'm concerned. If you think I'm trying to derail the thread, highly contrary. It's fairly obvious that Dandel is going to be lynched. I'm giving my opinion on who is the scummiest instead of just sheeping onto the vote. | ||
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For Nack, as I previously said I think he's trying to act all high and mighty to lead the town. He sites all of his experience thinking that we'll believe his every action and word. We don't know if he's town, and quite frankly, I don't want to believe he's town. He thinks you and I are scumbuddies... and the reasons for voting Dandel are pretty obvious, but he could be advocating it just to lead us into a mislynch. For Debears, he's been pretty consistent. He seems like he goes out of his way to look up stuff from other games, etc to prove his point (see: Meta of Dandel). I find it odd that he just votes Dandel without considering other possibilities. He should be, if he is town, fighting for his top scum read because this is lylo. (If it's Dandel, so be it). Alsn, I don't know what to think of you. You're all over the place. Dandel's scum, then he's not, then he is again--but at least I can see where you are coming from. Your recent activity wants me to believe you town, because you do actually care about this lynch. I'm fairly convinced Inig is scum, especially with his sudden reaction to a single vote. I can't see another way about him. Nack being scum with him would only make sense, because Inig for some reason trusts him unconditionally and won't question his authority (unlike yourself, Alsn). As for myself, I may as well post this now considering the OMGUS vote on me, even though it won't make much of a difference. I'm Rose the Vanilla Townie (Thanks for the killer name Thrawn). | ||
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Do you really find Inig townier than I? How can you look at his obvious active lurking + confirming nack as "town" and say that? | ||
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![]() Big shoutouts to Thrawn and my boss scumteam. I suggest you guys read the QT it was hilarious at times. BIG APOLOGIES TO DJODREF I LOVE YOU | ||
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Me: /in Suddenly, lurkers The Mafia has won! | ||
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Please no hard feelings about this game. Same to Inig. You guys are absolutely awesome, and btw I actually love the whole smileydjo thing. | ||
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But I really pulled that inig stuff out of my ass. The only thing it did was draw him out, and luckily for us, he made himself look scummy at the last minute | ||
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