EPTWell, I would rather not claim or wait as long as possible because I think it makes the game more interesting from a generic standpoint. I claimed because I felt I had done a poor job with my initial posts, to both defend myself and give some security to town. I felt even while defending myself that I was defending a little more than I needed to, but hey too much cant hurt. If I did defend too much/strong for the pokes at me then ok, knowing the right amount to do something is something only experience can grant me.
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Well, I would rather not claim or wait as long as possible because I think it makes the game more interesting from a generic standpoint. I claimed because I felt I had done a poor job with my initial posts, to both defend myself and give some security to town. I felt even while defending myself that I was defending a little more than I needed to, but hey too much cant hurt. If I did defend too much/strong for the pokes at me then ok, knowing the right amount to do something is something only experience can grant me. | ||
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On October 26 2012 23:58 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: @ Inig I understand your concerns with this post, and I address them in bold. @ Djo Im calm about being lynched because its expected with me being gone so much, Im town but not a blue role, and Im actually calmed down right now (and when I posted that). | ||
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On October 27 2012 08:56 debears wrote: Kush He also called djo town while also calling him sk. Voting imcasy for no reason at the end of a case on dandel. How much does there have to be for you to see it? You even called your case not that strong Yes I said I thought Djo was 70% town, and to me seemed to be a role like vigi or SK in how he was playing. If thinking he could be Sk means I call him SK then ok. A better phrase in this post I made would be to replace 'town' with 'not mafia' because thats how I thought when I wrote it/ | ||
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On October 27 2012 09:10 kushm4sta wrote: sighhh he should have claimed. On October 27 2012 09:13 Dandel Ion wrote: @Inig: Sick association case, tell me more. I put reasons against. I already did. | ||
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On October 28 2012 01:06 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: @Everyone What are your thoughts on this "scumtell". I really can't see it being one. To me (and from what I have actually read) this seems to be the biggest scum-slip so far in the game (regardless of whether it is or isnt). I think this because we do not know anyone's alignments, especially day 1, and kush assumes the case that djo knows I am town, and by doing so indirectly himself as well. And I just got done typing a wifom kind of argument that I love making so much so I deleted it. Granted I find it a bigger slip simply because I know I am town. I have already said how I thought that kush obviously knows what he was doing, and saying something like this from this type of player does not feel like an oversight, and despite me claiming and them having town reads on me you still wouldnt know for certain. This combined with these other cases being brought against him I feel all hold at least a little weight and have me feeling utterly wary of kush, especially his arrogant 'yeah, funny/dumb cases' as his defense. I would like more defenses with less mocking/anger in them, but if that if your playstyle so be it. -Also kush telling of debears talking in other threads and PMs and whatnot up-front seems to discredit debears and give kush credibility by being the 'good guy' and bringing info to the thread. It could be used in a case against debears, for example, but kush just puts it out there. I think the motive seems more about gaining more power and discrediting debears rather than really trying to inform the thread. I think town has very little to gain by knowing this knowledge because it can be taken out of context and any number of ways, and kiush should have just pmed host and be done with it. Now, it could have been a 'what if' or a 'next-step' mindset. Granted some reasons why kush could have had the mindset to say he knows and says djo knows Im town: Ive claimed, kush had town reads on me, djo had changed to more town reads on me, so the setting assumed I was town. The problem I have with calling it a true scum-slip is that kush is in the best position to get lynched because of the mislynch on da0ud, making arguments easier and seemingly hold more power. Added to the fact that my own scum-read wants to off kush now has me mimicking djos feelings on kush (see above post). I need moooooore from kush to solve this, and before I would vote for him. @Djo The longer time goes on, you are slowly losing town credibility with me. Your contribution is high, and frankly this is becoming your game because your posting like a 1/3+ of the posts lol (and have a 10 page filter). For simply this reason I want you still alive because you are so active. Ive liked your recent contributions though, so I just want more solid content from you, rather than being so all over the place. Thats the other thing. Because you are so 'everywhere' but havent ever had really strong opinions on things (besides me for most of day1) it makes your 'unsure trying to be safe townie' look change to a 'careful mafia' look the longer time goes on. Ignore the pokes at you that lack real substance and give us more cases to discuss rather than your play. Your case against me was good, it got me to shape up and post better. And I like this discussion between cheese if it will get deeper. @Mr cheese. Kinda the same read I have with djo. The longer time goes on the more it seems like you are being super neutral/safe. Nothing you post has an edge to it, which while it is a quality I admire, it makes it difficult to really confirm anything with you, which leads to greater suspicions. The only real scum-hunting cases you have had are against da0ud and djo. I thought your arguments against da0ud were good because they were true, da0ud was acting scummy. So dont feel bad about it, keep going on the case with djo and see it you can get anything new. I would really like more so I can solidify my ideas about djo. | ||
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On October 28 2012 02:51 kushm4sta wrote: I am looking into it now. I thought debears was acting different from how I kind of remembered him but he seems like he's fitting his meta ok. Town read on debears Will be back with other scumreads. My scumslip people are talking about what's a scumslip. I think Inig is town. I think djo was acting like he knew inig was town and also knew daoud was town. I would be pretty surprised if inig's performance is a first time mafia. I did not consider this thought (bolded). I need to think about this. | ||
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As I said I am utterly wary about kush. And I already posted about him posting about debears pm and about his town knowledge assumption. Here is what I learned reading kush's filter. Until the most recent posts where he has given short descriptions on multiple people, kush has been clear and focused. Case on da0ud, nothing else, takes a stance on me and consistently, in his own words "soft defends" me. And since then has appeared fairly helpful but has mostly been defending himself. This is interesting though. Day1 he explains he does not want to lynch Djo, even though he thinks he looks scummy, giving room to see what he will do (and prods Djo to do so). After Djo appears wishy-washy in the lynch Djo becomes kush's next top scum read. Logical follow-through. And then this On October 28 2012 01:13 kushm4sta wrote: djo is scum btw guys and then another post right after On October 28 2012 02:32 kushm4sta wrote: Djo is #1 acting like my lynch is a certainty when it's definitely not. I have a lot of time to show you guys I am town and I will. #2 Covering his ass if I get mislynched. Yet again. I already told you I will make the case on you at the end of n1. You can defend yourself d2. And you are telling vig to shoot me?? Seriously?? Because I pushed a mislynch d1.. lol that happens almost every game. And it was way better than you who was just liek damn guys I dont know who to lynch TT So once again focused. He says he will bring a case against Djo tonight, and I am interested in reading it combined with Mr CCs promised case. I thought kush was just throwing Djo out there but then found this last post I quoted. Conclusion: Kush is a strange new piece of food that Ive never tired before, and Im keeping it at arms length because I dont know if its poisonous or not. The only way to find out is to ask questions, but it seems kush it getting enough heat so Ill only join in if I find anything (besides what I have found) useful. It seems to me that if nothing drastic changes (day post doesnt change much, not really any new cases) kush will be lynched tomorrow based on the overall opinions in the thread. It is my goal for Day 2 to find at least 1 good scum case because I dont think a kush lynch is optimal right now because I feel I do not know enough, and frankly the recent cases against him arent very strong. spcifically @Rad: if you can explain what we could possibly gain from knowing kush was lying about not recognizing debears I would become more interested in the answer. Kush did pretty much talk to debears most on Day 1 after all. | ||
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I also wanted to comment on you. While youve been in the same category Ive put sylver in (suspicious lurker) Im liking your more recent posts as they are actually contributing and also how you have not forgotten past arguments and cases and have brought them back up. At the very least it tells me you are to some degree attentive and serious. | ||
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I see your point, Im now interested to know as well. Based on what kush has already said though, I dont know how we are ever going to be able to confirm it. I will keep watching however. @Mr CC I love your post! I do not have time and am leaving immediately after I post this so I cant elaborate more until after day post, but your Djo's attempt to discredit me segment is profound. *I may as well not post anymore cause Im always proven wrong within the same page :/ | ||
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On October 28 2012 23:18 Alsn wrote: Resorting to name calling are we? "Openly disagree with your whole post", seriously? You expect me to let you off the hook by saying I'm stupid and terrible without even pointing out why my post is terrible? I love it how you try and discredit me purely on the basis that you think I'm bad. In fact, you are doing the exact same thing almost the entire thread criticised Djod for doing(with good reason I might add). This only reinforces my case against you, two people have called you out so far, first Inig, then me. Both times you've reacted with "Y U SO TERRIBAD?!?!". I expect better than that if you want me to consider you anything but almost confirmed scum. ##Vote: Dandel Ion And btw, you call me scum and everything after my case against you, but as far as I can tell have not followed through on it. Come out and say why you think I am still scum (and at least try to bring something original, dont just repeat everyone elses current arguments) or why you have changed your mind. Djo As I said I found Cheeses case against Djo promising, and I found Djo's contradiction about cheeses vote the best piece of evidence there could be. Like really, why would Djo jump all over Cheese of all people when he himself was so wishy-washy about choosing between myself and da0ud (not reposting all that cause multiple people have already.) And im glad debears also finds this such a profound piece of evidence. Djo without a doubt cares about this game more-so than most anyone else. Also, kush more than once called Djo scum, although I wish he had actually gotten around to posting the case he said he wanted to. Djo's playstyle also has not changed. He is still defending a lot and then asking a question or 2 at the end of nearly every post. Not sure what to make of that, I dont know anyones meta. -To have these opinions I must explain Dandels pressure on Djo. Scum bussing scum? seems very unlikely, seeing how badly its gone. But it hurts when Dandel wont follow through with much. It makes the dandel scum djo SK theory much more powerful in any case, because they wouldnt know each others roles. The only way right now I see Djo getting of the hook is by claiming, and if Rads claim is true that would mean a 4th blue role, which seems very unlikely. I want Dandel and Djo dead in any case. -The reason I am voting dandel at the moment and not Djo is because of his vote switch day 1 of all things. I agree with the theory he didnt care who actually got killed. But since I know I am town, I dont know why a mafia djo would decided to change his vote from me to someone else he knew was innocent? Sticking to someone would seem a better way to at the very least 'blend in' (as ive been told Im so good at doing) rather than be whimsical and flail around drawing attention. | ||
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On October 26 2012 07:42 Inigmaticalism wrote: To be straight up, this first day/night cycle Im not going to contribute that much. I thought I had much more time when I signed up and then RL got stupid busy out of nowhere. My time will free up much more starting around Sunday-Monday, and then Ill be able to give the amount of time Ive wanted to give. Here is my own quote for you guys discussing when I will contribute more. To be more specific, I have a big o' assignment due by tonight, so once its done I am fairly free for a few days and I want to find some original scum-hunting material regardless of what we already have, and (hopefully if I find some stuff) present it tomorrow b4 lynch. I feel like a lot of the time people dont look beyond the current vote. @Rad's = Vigi Eh seems legit to me. It feels much more authentic now than if he, say, claimed on Day 3 or later when there's not as much time to watch him for it. If its a mafia move its brilliantly risky because its given 'proof' about our main NKs theory and...something else.......I cant remember. Maybe something about how getting us to believe our own theories which could be dangerous if they arent true, but right now I cant think of why that would be. If anyone wants to explore this thought please do so. But I really like how Rad's claim fits with his past actions, like this one: On October 29 2012 01:38 Rad wrote: @Djo I didn't leave anything specific, like "I'm vigi" hidden in some text or something, sorry. Please take note at how bad I wanted kush's "lie" to be determined though. Inig pointed it out: I was pushing it hard, because in Ace's vigi/cop guide, his top priority is to SHOOT LIARS. All I had was dandel to help me with my decision. You can see I wanted him to confirm that he thought kush was a liar. | ||
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On October 29 2012 10:35 debears wrote: @inig "I found Djo's contradiction about cheeses vote the best piece of evidence there could be for Djo being mafia/SK." This statment implies that you believe djos scum case is stronger than dandels, yet you vote for dandel Are you voting dandel because you find him scummier than djo or because his case is the only case you have made? Implied meaning added in bold. Dont be so particular. And I have already said why Im voting dandel over Djo. Also, your "lynch him before djo bc djo might be sk" idea is invalid. There is no way there is a sk unless its rad. Why in the world is there no way there is a vigi and a sk in the same game? Where did it ever say that? I don't like how you suddenly come from out of nowhere and instantly drop your vote on someone. You arent here for a whole day and automatically know someone is scum when all of us are having difficulty knowing so surely? Frankly my confidence is almost gone. All my reads have been point-blank wrong so far. I am sticking with my current opinions in the hopes that I cant be completely wrong about everything, and because others find merit in them. Alsn also found dandel scummy. Mr. Cheesecake's point about djos contradiction also found logical ground with you debears. | ||
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On October 29 2012 11:07 Djodref wrote: guys, I really would like to have some feedback on my last argument for a scum dandel. It's logical and damning as hell ! Its golden. Answer Djo Dandel. Why are you voting who you think is the SK? Its not even in towns win-con. | ||
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On October 29 2012 11:38 debears wrote: Um. Yeah it is. Now you are making up reasons/blatingly lieing. Game does not end for us until mafia and serial killer(if applicable) are dead. Djo ill look over the early d2 posts It is stated twice. On October 10 2012 10:11 thrawn2112 wrote: The town's goal is to lynch all the members of the mafia. On October 10 2012 10:11 thrawn2112 wrote: Town wins by eliminating all mafia members. No mention of killing 3rd party. | ||
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To explain what happened: I ragequit. And I apologize for that, I had no idea I would find mafia so emotionally taxing. (Mafia LITERALLY takes 8+ hours a day to play properly, so if I ever play again itll have to be when I am out of school and real life demands are at an all time low. Oh ya, and itll be fun getting shut down by everyone who looks at meta knowing they can just make me ragequit if they want.) The whole town needs to also kill the SK but it wasnt specified in the set-up was the last straw. Ive seen set-ups that specifically say town needs to eliminate all third parties or all threats to town, and this one didnt. If its always assumed that this is the case Im sorry, because Im new. I am glad the hosts stated it was the case later though. In any case, I had already shown myself that I couldnt make logical posts when upset, so I stepped away. (Cheese asked what my last post (besides that voting one) meant, here ya go). By the time I came back, it was too late to say anything. the majority thought I was scum regardless (and still do), and it was shown when I voted and almost got lynched for it (ill get to that in a minute). Besides, no one listened to what I said before, why now? I was the one to first suggest Rad and debears were town, which went largely ignored, then suddenly people started coming to the same conclusion all on their own. Also, its EXTREMELY suspicious in my eyes that no one has ever challenged this at all, but maybe only because ive been wrong about everything. I was the FIRST ONE to cast suspicion/pressure on Dandel, only dandel and da0ud paid any attention. Alsn makes a case on dandel Day2, I join the cause Ive already been fighting for, and everyone says Im sheeping the case. ....WHAT?? Ok, sheeping: the act of following an argument you originally had that was brought up again by someone else. Or people just didnt read my 'walls of text'. (And btw, since Ive been wrong about everything, you Dandel are now leaning townie in my eyes. But not that it matters.) To me, only two things made sense: town was bad, or mafia were the active ones and had successfully gotten me out of the picture. (and/or Im really bad). I already knew I knew nothing and had nothing to go on. As time went on Djo became less and less scummy to me, perhaps because he was actually interested in playing the game and winning rather than everyone else who just seems to want to be right about everything. If my new theory that the town circle was infested with scum, why not vote against them? I decided if nothing else, I wanted Djo to see his goals realized whatever they may be, so voted for cheese as djo requested. (Sure, "if he was mafia you werent playing to your win-con". Yes I agree, accept at the time I decided I thought Djo was town, so I was.) Admittedly, this game has been one of the least fun things I have done on the internet, but that last minute Day2 voting crazyness was actually really fun, I have to say, regardless of how it turned out. And Roco earned points in my book for doing what I did too, that was sooooo fun. And the whole mislynch almost on me too. Would have been better than killing djo at least. This is my explaination, and I refuse to defend myself any further. It would be pointless. You have already decided what you are going to do with me (think in your head, you already know what youre going to do, even if you havent said it). All that you really want is my vote, which I am keeping for myself, and with it I will continue Djo's legacy against Cheese. And if Im still alive after that perhaps Ill follow Nack, although with him recently bringing the hammer of judgement down on the mafias I hope he lives through tonight. This town is horrible, and I am one of the worst ones, I know. Or, perhaps, its a newbish town vs a more experienced mafia, but within context both are still true. Im interested in seeing what the case was when the game is over. The reason I say this is because town is still arguing over lack-luster stuff!! The ONLY thing town has going for them right now in terms of finding mafia is luker policy lynching!! Thats IT!!!! It is OBVIOUS were screwed if there are 3 mafia and a SK like nack said, why are you guys arguing about it? The only scum-hunting cases at the moment are the ones against cheese and alsn because nack brought them back up because no one cares what djo said before he died, and everyones actually MAD about it (although since I think its the scum, that would make sense). I do not discount myself from this, because I know I said I would look up cases against people and havent, so I am as much to blame. | ||
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