This is confusing.. for a second I thought I was magically transported to a thread about school...

Kurumi, Loyality unto....

I like the fact that there aren't any jacks that are hammering votes this game.

Welcome to my encryptic circle!

Not sure if I'm going to play..

strongandbig

United States4858 Posts

October 13 2012 22:30 GMT

#63

On October 12 2012 02:12 kushm4sta wrote:
nah getting into a good school is useless. It's a scam. They pretend that the school is better so that they can charge more.
0.27 gpa that is some pro slacking

don't believe him
college results is combo of luck + what you make of it - just, going to a good school has a higher ceiling for what you can get out of it because of luck+effort.

in most fields (economics, literature, etc) you don't actually learn more but you can do more with it afterwards because people will respect you more.

(in research sciences btw the opportunities you get from going to a good school are totally worth it and you really do learn more.)

kushm4sta

United States8878 Posts

October 13 2012 22:47 GMT

#64

On October 14 2012 07:30 strongandbig wrote:

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don't believe him.
in terms of your job it all depends on what grad school you go to not undergrad. Expensive undergrad is a huge huge scam.
Studies have been done that show that what undergrad you go to does not affect your chance of success afterwards.

strongandbig

United States4858 Posts

October 13 2012 23:15 GMT

#65

how do they measure "chances of success?"

strongandbig

United States4858 Posts

October 13 2012 23:22 GMT

#66

Because if it's just "how much money do you make" then I say "pfaugh" to it.

grush57

Korea (South)2582 Posts

October 14 2012 00:29 GMT

#67

Well if two people are applying to get a job, if one went to harvard and one went to insert local community college here, the person who went to harvard would get it over the other guy.

kushm4sta

United States8878 Posts

October 14 2012 12:12 GMT

#68

yes it's how much money you make. that is the only viable metric for success.

@grush if you are deciding between a state school and one of these small mid tier liberal arts colleges that cost 50k a year, please please pick state school.
If you are going to grad school no job is going to give a shit about your undergrad.

To all the people qqing about how important undergrad is: I'm sorry you are butthurt that you wasted 200k for no reason, but there is no reason to convince others to make the same mistake you did.

strongandbig

United States4858 Posts

October 14 2012 16:10 GMT

#69

Are you saying that what undergrad you go to and what grad school you go to have no relationship? People do care more about what grad school you go to but to say there is no correlation between that and what undergrad you go to is silly.

And how much money you make is only a viable metric for fields where making money is the purpose of the degree. AKA business, economics, maybe like pre-med and psychology. But it's a shitty metric for success in the majority of fields - anything research based, for example, as well as creative arts, education, etc. it's really a very limited way of thinking about success.

I'm sorry you're bitter about your undergrad not turning out how you wanted it to but you're taking a very limited view of things. Going to a good undergrad doesn't entitle you to make money. It gives you opportunities to build on. If all you're interested in is making money then going to an expensive undergrad is not a good decision, but IMO being interested only in making money is also not a good decision.

kushm4sta

United States8878 Posts

October 14 2012 19:59 GMT

#70

all grush cares about is money and bitches tho

Blazinghand

United States25550 Posts

October 14 2012 21:21 GMT

#71

as much as I hate to say it S&B and Grush are right. The studies about expensive school vs state school was this:

Population of students who got into Harvard. Some went to Harvard, some went to state school. Equal lifetime earnings on average.

If you're smart and wealthy and educated enough to get into Harvard yeah you're gonna do fine wherever. If you're a normal person, there are serious benefits to getting a private school education. Navigating school at a public uni is difficult, especially since they typically overenroll and have bad counseling and student services, and it's harder to make friends etc etc. If money is an issue though go to a public uni of similar stature to a private school (UCLA/Cal vs Pomona) and you'll get a good education, it's just more likely you'll drop out or take longer to get it unless you're seriously smart and driven.

Shit happens in college, and going to a private school gives you a second chance to fix shit. If your grades slip, a counselor comes and talks to you to help get your ass in gear. There's college-funded tutoring, people-meeting activities, etc. You don't need these things, but you might.

Don't go into debt to go to a private school that's not better than your best public option though. But remember that "prestige" and like an old boys network are serious things. I got my first job out of school basically this way. In the interview I'm talking to the boss and he was like "so I see you went to Occidental" and I was like "yeah go Tigers" and then I had the job. Occidental obviously is no Harvard but the point is, people are like that for private schools.