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Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
October 12 2012 02:11 GMT
#41
On October 12 2012 11:02 Marvellax wrote:
/in

I'm a total newbie and in no way a smurf. Do not look at the men behind the curtain.


This guy seems totally legit.
+ Show Spoiler +
in case there is anyone who isn't sure that will be the smurf that Marv and I will be using
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
VayeshMoru
Profile Joined September 2009
201 Posts
October 12 2012 03:02 GMT
#42
/in
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10859 Posts
October 12 2012 03:06 GMT
#43
Let's policy lynch all smurfs and hydras.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
October 12 2012 03:09 GMT
#44
lets policy lynch all people named after sith lords, I know mafia when I sees 'em.

What say you VM, truly a wonderful case, eh?
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
October 12 2012 04:08 GMT
#45
On October 12 2012 12:06 DarthPunk wrote:
Let's policy lynch all smurfs and hydras.

I agree with this. I dont like hydras they creep me out.
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
October 12 2012 16:09 GMT
#46
/in
Never trust a skinny innkeeper
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 12 2012 16:14 GMT
#47
On October 12 2012 13:08 kushm4sta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2012 12:06 DarthPunk wrote:
Let's policy lynch all smurfs and hydras.

I agree with this. I dont like hydras they creep me out.


so tempting to answer repeatedly with all the accounts I for some reason have access to >.> <.<
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
October 12 2012 17:29 GMT
#48
but hydras aren't allowed
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 12 2012 17:42 GMT
#49
On October 13 2012 02:29 Kurumi wrote:
but hydras aren't allowed


that's why you should make proper OPs.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
October 12 2012 17:50 GMT
#50
On October 13 2012 02:42 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2012 02:29 Kurumi wrote:
but hydras aren't allowed


that's why you should make proper OPs.

Added the rule to the OP. No hydras.
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grush57
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)2582 Posts
October 12 2012 23:44 GMT
#51
Kurumi giving zerg players a chance I see.
"Every thing is either simply awful or awfully simple." | "Weaklings can't pick... their way of death."
Release
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4397 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-13 04:09:56
October 13 2012 04:07 GMT
#52
Shit. I still have PSAT although oddly enough, i'm done with SAT.

/in

Oh shit I have missed mafia.
I only recognize Grush from my newbie games...
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grush57
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)2582 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-13 05:06:01
October 13 2012 05:00 GMT
#53
On October 13 2012 13:07 Release wrote:
Shit. I still have PSAT although oddly enough, i'm done with SAT.

/in

Oh shit I have missed mafia.
I only recognize Grush from my newbie games...

, I only played one newbie game and I don't remember you? I played 3 normal games before but my play is bad so I decided to do a newbie game. It was frustrating.
Edit: Yeah I just checked you were not in my game,I guess you obsed, awesome dt claim ending.
"Every thing is either simply awful or awfully simple." | "Weaklings can't pick... their way of death."
Release
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4397 Posts
October 13 2012 05:14 GMT
#54
On October 13 2012 14:00 grush57 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2012 13:07 Release wrote:
Shit. I still have PSAT although oddly enough, i'm done with SAT.

/in

Oh shit I have missed mafia.
I only recognize Grush from my newbie games...

, I only played one newbie game and I don't remember you? I played 3 normal games before but my play is bad so I decided to do a newbie game. It was frustrating.
Edit: Yeah I just checked you were not in my game,I guess you obsed, awesome dt claim ending.

You sure?

You claimed DT out of nowhere.
Scum counter-claimed.
Epic Lols

here it is
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=342960
☺
grush57
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)2582 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-13 19:33:05
October 13 2012 19:30 GMT
#55
Wait were you the dude who kept tunneling me? I swore his name was Risen. I checked the game and I didn't see Risen on the player list so I thought you weren't in it.

Edit: I guess you were. That game was hilarious lol. I just knew he was scum, and him counter claiming dt just sealed town victory.
"Every thing is either simply awful or awfully simple." | "Weaklings can't pick... their way of death."
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25563 Posts
October 13 2012 20:22 GMT
#56
On October 14 2012 04:30 grush57 wrote:
Wait were you the dude who kept tunneling me? I swore his name was Risen. I checked the game and I didn't see Risen on the player list so I thought you weren't in it.

Edit: I guess you were. That game was hilarious lol. I just knew he was scum, and him counter claiming dt just sealed town victory.


It was a foolish risk to take, since you could have been counter claimed by a town cop. I'll leave this bit from my post-game analysis here.

On June 17 2012 15:52 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2012 14:01 wherebugsgo wrote:
So when I was coaching I actually talked to Lazer specifically regarding the claims and the possibilities. It was the most straightforward for a DT in that situation.

I don't at all agree with grush's play in this game, and from a results-oriented perspective it looks good. However, it is INCREDIBLY dangerous in any normal game for a VT to claim DT. Imagine grush fake claimed and he was wrong about his target. That's an instant town loss. Imagine the mafia don't counterclaim and the real DT does; the DT is outted and the mafia can kill both players with ease (one with lynch and the other with a shot) If the DT is lynched, the fakeclaimer almost certainly gets lynched the next day.

With that said, grush got incredibly lucky. Scum panicked a bit (if I were in scum's position I would've simply denied the claim and tried to get grush lynched. I only really consider claiming at lylo). Blues get lynched all the time without counterclaims, and fake blues are even easier to lynch because their claims are flimsy. Someone who pushed and pressured grush to explain his claim could probably have ended up exposing him and getting an easy lynch. This takes confidence, though, and is much easier said than done.








I'd like to second what WBG mentioned here about VT fakeclaims. Typically gambitting with a fakeclaim, especially in a semi-open mini like this, is a great way to get mislynched. The fact that scum freaked out and counterclaimed doesn't mean the gambit was good, it just meaned it worked.

If, for example, the real Cop counterclaimed (since a 1-1 trade isn't so bad if they both get lynched, he thinks), it's entirely possible town could have killed the Cop, THEN KILLED THE VT. Could you imagine trying to say "oh, no, it was a fakeclaim you guys" after the Cop claimed, or after he got lynched for his counterclaim and flipped cop? Nobody would buy it. Scum would say "nice try, scum", and so would town.

I guess the best analogy here is that Grush walked into a casino, went up to a roulette table, put it all on 0, and won 20 grand. Yeah, he won 20 grand. It doesn't mean the strat was good, though. All it means is he got lucky.

When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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grush57
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)2582 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-13 20:38:20
October 13 2012 20:35 GMT
#57
On October 14 2012 05:22 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 04:30 grush57 wrote:
Wait were you the dude who kept tunneling me? I swore his name was Risen. I checked the game and I didn't see Risen on the player list so I thought you weren't in it.

Edit: I guess you were. That game was hilarious lol. I just knew he was scum, and him counter claiming dt just sealed town victory.


It was a foolish risk to take, since you could have been counter claimed by a town cop. I'll leave this bit from my post-game analysis here.

Show nested quote +
On June 17 2012 15:52 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 17 2012 14:01 wherebugsgo wrote:
So when I was coaching I actually talked to Lazer specifically regarding the claims and the possibilities. It was the most straightforward for a DT in that situation.

I don't at all agree with grush's play in this game, and from a results-oriented perspective it looks good. However, it is INCREDIBLY dangerous in any normal game for a VT to claim DT. Imagine grush fake claimed and he was wrong about his target. That's an instant town loss. Imagine the mafia don't counterclaim and the real DT does; the DT is outted and the mafia can kill both players with ease (one with lynch and the other with a shot) If the DT is lynched, the fakeclaimer almost certainly gets lynched the next day.

With that said, grush got incredibly lucky. Scum panicked a bit (if I were in scum's position I would've simply denied the claim and tried to get grush lynched. I only really consider claiming at lylo). Blues get lynched all the time without counterclaims, and fake blues are even easier to lynch because their claims are flimsy. Someone who pushed and pressured grush to explain his claim could probably have ended up exposing him and getting an easy lynch. This takes confidence, though, and is much easier said than done.








I'd like to second what WBG mentioned here about VT fakeclaims. Typically gambitting with a fakeclaim, especially in a semi-open mini like this, is a great way to get mislynched. The fact that scum freaked out and counterclaimed doesn't mean the gambit was good, it just meaned it worked.

If, for example, the real Cop counterclaimed (since a 1-1 trade isn't so bad if they both get lynched, he thinks), it's entirely possible town could have killed the Cop, THEN KILLED THE VT. Could you imagine trying to say "oh, no, it was a fakeclaim you guys" after the Cop claimed, or after he got lynched for his counterclaim and flipped cop? Nobody would buy it. Scum would say "nice try, scum", and so would town.

I guess the best analogy here is that Grush walked into a casino, went up to a roulette table, put it all on 0, and won 20 grand. Yeah, he won 20 grand. It doesn't mean the strat was good, though. All it means is he got lucky.



Yeah that's why I said when he counter claimed I knew it was town victory(there was no way Vivax was blue that game). A good detective would wait a bit which is what lazermonkey did, so in the end everything went well, so yeah it was a bit risky.
"Every thing is either simply awful or awfully simple." | "Weaklings can't pick... their way of death."
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25563 Posts
October 13 2012 20:38 GMT
#58
"everything went well", while technically true, does not convey how poor a decision it was.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
grush57
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)2582 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-13 20:40:43
October 13 2012 20:40 GMT
#59
On October 14 2012 05:38 Blazinghand wrote:
"everything went well", while technically true, does not convey how poor a decision it was.


Well it was risky, and a risk I needed to take in that game.
"Every thing is either simply awful or awfully simple." | "Weaklings can't pick... their way of death."
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25563 Posts
October 13 2012 20:42 GMT
#60
Ah, good edit. Yes, it was in fact risky, and if you believe it was a risk you needed to take, you're entitled to your opinion. You're not in newbie games any more, so it's not my place to tell you that something's a bad idea if you mistakenly think it's a good one.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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