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On October 10 2012 11:07 Hopeless1der wrote: I am unfamiliar with this policy. Please elaborate. It's a policy based upon him making posts like the following where his posts are thick with scummy justifications/ reasoning but he doesn't care because he likes having a "scummy meta." His play relies on him intentionally playing into the fact that he has a scummy meta and that's bs. On October 10 2012 19:48 kushm4sta wrote: voting momentoss because he's afk and I know his reads are bad voting original because austin has contributed way more already and he's known as a good player voting dauod because of his weird joke that made no sense... alien invaders what? bad reasons? yes subject to change? definintely | ||
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On October 10 2012 20:02 prplhz wrote:Is EchelonTee trying to vote for Hopeless1der? I think he was saying that he's not going to actually vote until he's figured out exactly how he wants to spend all of his votes. The reasoning being that it'll make it easier on the cohosts. That's a nice sentiment and all and no offense to the mods, but that statement did sound a little scummy. But did you think it looked scummy? | ||
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 ratio. Is there anything else you find scummy about ET because that "slip" doesn't look like anywhere near a good enough reason to vote for him. | ||
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On October 10 2012 20:42 Mementoss wrote:Than realizes shit, if I don't ask about this in the thread, it will come back to haunt me cause it will look even worse. + Show Spoiler + @ET 9 to 3 would 3x as many votes BTW That's the only part of it that makes me suspicious of ET. Asking for a specific scum/town ratio is stupid because a mod will never give you the answer so it doesn't seem like a question someone would ask unless they have ulterior motives behind asking the question. | ||
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On October 10 2012 20:02 prplhz wrote: Big plans almost always fail but it's often a pretty good idea to talk about them anyway. Is EchelonTee trying to vote for Hopeless1der? I like Djodref's posting and I don't like da0ud's posting. Well, as much as you can like and dislike stuff 2 pages into the game. In any case I'm going to vote for da0ud right now. He's only gonna get one vote from me (for now) because that's enough to put him in next round. da0ud x1 He asks that question about ET... it looks like he asking a question in order to cast some suspicion on ET but he doesn't say why he thinks ET's vote was suspicious. And as for his vote for da0ud, he spends more time giving justifications for the vote than reasons why he's suspicious of da0ud. | ||
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On October 11 2012 06:15 prplhz wrote: Also, I wanted to ask you about kushm4sta because it seemed that you had a pretty good read on him in that last newbie game he just played. What do you want to know? So far he's playing pretty similarly to his weird/scummy town meta. | ||
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On October 11 2012 06:54 kushm4sta wrote: haha what? in what newbie game did thrawn have a good read on me? lol I think he might have been talking about the game I cohosted in which I already knew your alignment... but yeah I was kinda confused about what answer he wanted from the question too | ||
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On October 11 2012 06:56 prplhz wrote: I want to know what his alignment is. What the hell does this mean? "pretty similar weird scummy town meta", seriously? Can you elaborate a bit? Ok when kush is town, he reads as scum. He says stuff that would get anyone else lynched, but he gets away with it but it's part of his meta. Therefore he can be difficult to read. There is 1 difference between his scum meta and his town meta, and that's that when he's scum there's a lot of forced emotion and unnecessary aggressiveness in his posts. When he's town he's generally more laid back. So far I'm seeing the "scummy town kush" rather than the "scummy scum kush." | ||
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Djo why did you vote mememtoss? So far out of the two of them I'd rather see da0ud go through, just because he hasn't done anything at all except make weird "jokes" that may not even be jokes. | ||
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Does unvoting working like normal? Just ##Unvote in the voting thread or something? | ||
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On October 11 2012 08:12 kushm4sta wrote: Thrawn did you read my point about how it's a scum mentality to say that byes are at a "disadvantage"? vote daoud IMO! I really dont want to overrule other people's votes by voting more than once. Yeah but it's so little to go off of and I don't think that alone would make him a better choice than djodref. Something strikes me as odd about djod's play so far this game. In his last game (town) he was this super happy friendly cutie townie, and his posts in this game seem way more thought out or crafted. So there's Du0ud who has post almost next to nothing, but his first post was strange and mostly useless. You say there was mafia mentality behind it, but I'm not buying that that argument is as strong as you're making it out to be. Then there's djodref.... I'm want to know why he voted memento. It looked like it might have been some type of lurker vote but there were other lurker candidates to choose from. Also as I think austin or someone else pointed out, it was weird the way he called out some people for things and not others. For example he came in saying he agreed with my post where I talked about voting policy but then he turns around and says he is suspicious of people who talk about vote policy because "the more time we discuss about the rules we should use, the less time we have for scumhunting. It's also a golden opportunity for the mafia to look like they are participating while discussing the rules." It looked like he's trying too hard to find suspicious things to point out and that is what scum have to do. | ||
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On October 11 2012 08:43 Djodref wrote: Regarding the discussion about the lynch mechanics, it was the only thing which really happened in the thread when I've checked it first. I didn't like it at all. So I got suspicious of the players encouraging this discussion. What else are people supposed to talk about at the beginning of the game? | ||
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On October 11 2012 08:54 HiroPro wrote: Hey Djodref, I'd like a proper response to the question I asked you earlier. Not a repetition of what you've already said, I want a clear stance. I'm voting for kush over prp. kush doesn't seem to have much interest in finding scum - his votes are for people who he thinks are "bad", which is pretty much just abdicating any responsibility for scumhunting. The one vote that he does try to give some reasoning for is nonsense and in itself a contradiction since kush himself is not attempting to find scum - he's content to make one weak read and pick 2 other people for reasons unrelated to finding scum. kushm4sta x1 You need to be aware that that's what he does as town and that's why I semi-jokingly suggested a kush policy lynch. If it matters I think he looks like town if you're going off of meta reads. What do you think about prp? | ||
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On October 11 2012 10:12 kushm4sta wrote: aww yeah sandroba backing me up on the doaud vote you're happy about a vote that somebody doesn't give an explanation for? | ||
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On October 11 2012 10:36 sandroba wrote: Yo. I want da0ud to go to the next round. I have a hunch and those have been pretty good historically. how strong is your hunch? time to find out | ||
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On October 11 2012 11:08 OriginalName wrote: There is this wonderful thing called real life that happens to often impede on things, by the time I was free to post and take time to read my phone was dead and I had to wait until i got off my rather late shift at work and communicate with this thread. Then please go ahead and start making up for lost time | ||
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On October 11 2012 11:19 HiroPro wrote: Oh wait I'm dumb, thrawn already had a vote on prlhz from before.... I doubled up on djodref, not prplhz. Sandroba was talking about out how much he trusts his hunches so my vote was a test of that | ||
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more importantly why 2 votes? djodref was obviously going to move on at that point | ||
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Why were you panicking and why did you chose djodref? | ||
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I'm getting a pretty scummy read off of sandroba atm. The majority of his filter is fluff. Then there's this bit: On October 10 2012 20:40 sandroba wrote:@prpl You are my best scum read so far, how do you feel about that <3 So here he says that prplhz is his best scum read. Not only does sandroba not push to vote prplhz over kush during round 1, he doesn't even mention prplhz again. Why would any townie not want to at least throw 1 vote for their "top scumread?" Why would any townie have a "top scumread" that they never talk about? He also says: On October 11 2012 10:36 sandroba wrote: Yo. I want da0ud to go to the next round. I have a hunch and those have been pretty good historically. "Hunches" aren't good enough explanations for me. And this is the 2nd case where sandroba has a read but he's not willing to go the distance to push his votes. He says prplhz is his top scum read, never votes for him or mentions him again. He wants da0ud to go through based on a hunch, and he puts a lot of weight behind the validity of his hunches. Yet he doesn't put enough votes in to push da0ud through. So that's twice where his stated intentions don't match up with his actions. FOS sandroba | ||
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On October 11 2012 17:47 da0ud wrote: So you wanted me to go through ? Not nice  But I see your point against Sandroba.I just cannot make up my mind on who is the scummiest between him and kush. No I wanted djodref to go through that's why I voted for him lol. What I was talking about is that sandroba's votes weren't lining up with his words. He put no effort into pushing his top scumread (prplhz) and he didn't have the balls to put enough votes on you to push you through, despite having a hunch after saying that his hunches are usually correct. So what do you think about kush, and do you have anything else to say about sandroba? | ||
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On October 11 2012 18:53 da0ud wrote:The rest of his posts are trying to be nicer with me, because he realises I am not as dumb and bad in english as he would have expected/hoped. My alien joke.... yes i read the intro. He agrees on how I could have been made a mini-scum without arguing against it. Maybe you don't want me to form an alliance with another townie so soon in the game ? I'm confused, what is this mini-scum stuff you two are talking about and what do you mean by "form an alliance with another townie so soon in the game?" | ||
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On October 11 2012 19:23 prplhz wrote: Can you explain this post please? Why are you just trusting sandroba's hunch? Go look at the voting thread, I added a vote for djodref right when I made that post. Sandroba's reasoning for picking da0 over djod was because of a hunch, and I didn't like that as an explanation so I decided to see if he really trusted his hunch as much as he said he did. Apparently he didn't. | ||
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On October 11 2012 20:49 sandroba wrote:Right now I'm pretty sure ON is scum. There was no reason to throw those 2 random votes and freak out a ton if you had not read the thread. Voting isn't even mandatory. The only explanation is someone informing him erroneously that he would be modkilled due to the cohost pointing out in the thread he had not voted and since on his mind he had to throw some votes somewhere he just used the opportunity to push some agenda that is yet to be seen by voting the most controversial match up. No reason for him to vote that match up at all if he was town and had no info, since he doesn't even know those players, and I would expect him to throw one vote on someone he knew if he didn't have any agenda. This is what I was thinking, but he came in after the deadline and gave some reads and promised more so I'm not sure about that MU atm. As of now I'm probably going to vote ON over hiro. | ||
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On October 11 2012 20:56 Mementoss wrote: It bothers me that these 3 players have the most power in town ON Hopeless Da0 None of them used any votes officially, and all have 10 votes remaining. Coming down to the wire any one of them as scum could sway the results. If they're scum and that's their plan then they're pretty stupid because they'd be put in the spotlight for doing that. | ||
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That also goes for everyone else. We've been focusing too much on the mechanics and worrying too much about "well this guy is scummier than that guy" but we need to be discussing our top scumreads. Right now sandroba takes that spot for me so I plan on pushing hard for his lynch. | ||
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If they were separated I'd probably vote for both of them to advance. ON because he's the biggest lurker, and his voting antics have just been completely anti-town and he doesn't seem to know/care about it. For hopeless, I like the case djodref made against him. + Show Spoiler + On October 12 2012 18:06 Djodref wrote: As promised, I would like to present you my case against Hopeless. My main points against him are:
Lack of scumhunting + Show Spoiler + He admits it himself in this post in response to Kush On October 12 2012 03:56 Hopeless1der wrote: Addressing more of this: /snip You say I'm feigning activity. My activity is poor, and as close to trivial as it gets, but my actions have clear motive in terms of how people have advanced each round. You claim I'm not scumhunting. No, not in the conventional sense, I'm not. There are now 4 players completely out of the running for todays' lynch, but for all I know, all the scum are in those players. I have no flips and very limited information. I realize I'm not giving people much to work with, but I'll deal with that later. I'd rather not give scumreads because of both the short length of the game so far and the lynch mechanics. I will go through the matchups and give my thoughts on those. Hiro vs ON is already done. Please note also how he implies that we are going to mislynch (all the scum already out comment). This is not scummy but it is at least not good town mentality. On top of that he refuses to give his scumreads invoking bad excuses (what are the lynch mechanics doing here ?) and for this, I clearly don't see any town motivation. Suspicious unvotes at deadline + Show Spoiler + I don't know if you have noticed it but his unannounced unvote at round 1 deadline had a influence on the kush/prplhz match-up. He let Kush advanced over Prplhz. Look at the way he presents it On October 12 2012 03:56 Hopeless1der wrote: /snip I'm getting some flak for my ##Unvote All, part of which is I gave no notice that I was doing anything. However, I had already posted that I was going to be available during the deadline, which no one cared about, and the end result is almost exactly the same. The exception is that you, kush, advanced as a result, BUT Hiro was under the impression that you would have gone through without my 'assistance'. My activity during the deadline had a significant impact, which I would rather people be aware of so that no one is blindsided. /snip I'm not accepting his excuse for this. Should I state that I'm going to be present for deadline tomorrow and happily reverse the result of a matchup ? Is this ok ? I don't like the way he presents it, stating that it almost exactly the same, when his actions led to an opposite results for one match-up. He has no choice but to admit it but the fact he has doing it passively (by unvoting) and shifting the focus on Hiro helped him to make Kush advance (or should I say eliminate prplhz from the competition?) quite unnoticed. At least, I didn't catch up at first. If you guys have all seen this then I'm sorry for bringing this up. What makes it even more suspicious is the global picture:
I would say that Hopeless doesn't really care about who is going to advance in this bracket. And the question I really would like him to answer is what he is planning to do with all the votes that he has carefully saved ? Contradicts himself + Show Spoiler + Firstly he did contradict himself while speaking about letting kush advance. I'm sorry but it not exactly the same when you reverse the issue of a matchup. And here is the second contradiction: I didn't understand why he was so obsessed with people present at deadline and I called him for it. Here is the post he gave me in response On October 11 2012 23:55 Hopeless1der wrote: There is usually a panic towards the end of a day to consolidate votes and have crazy things happen during the final hours. With this lynch mechanic, there isn't enough time to properly consolidate and I think knowing who is willing and able to be active during the deadline is very beneficial to town. Case in point, go look at the way I voted and my concern makes much more sense. I asked for people's deadline schedules again because 7 out of 11 players (not counting myself) posted without acknowledging the question. There seems to be a severe lack of reading comprehension going on in this thread. da0ud is evidently foreign enough that he gets a pass. The rest of you bastards, not so much. What I'm trying to achieve is using my votes in the most efficient way possible to maximize town's advantage this cycle. This, of course, assumes I'm town. I'll explain my reasoning later if necessary. Mementoss, I get that you're suspicious of people having all their votes, but can you look over how I (un)voted and tell me if you think I'm scummy because of it? OriginalName, you still havent addressed why you felt you needed two votes on djodref, ESPECIALLY when he was already leading his matchup. You were literally throwing away votes. What I understood from this answer is that knowing who is present at deadline prevents crazy things from happening. I think that the simplest way from preventing crazy thing to happen is to use your votes and sticking to them. Unvoting like you do results in more possibilities for outcome of MUs to change, something you want to prevent by asking everybody if they are going to be present at deadline or not. I think you want to give yourself some presence in the thread by asking everybody if they are here for deadline or not. In reality you just want to know if you can safely do you unvoting cuisine. With all this I'm pretty sure that Hopeless is scum. I'm going to go full force in him this round against him because I really want him to get lynched today and I may not be able to use my votes on the next round. I'm also interested to see who is going to vote for his concurrent, the Great Lurker, I named OriginalName. Please be aware that I'm not forgiving ON in any way with this post. Right now, I really find Hopeless to be the scummiest among us. Prplhz is also looking scummy in my eyes. I'll develop on this later but I would like first to have some feedback on this case, especially from Hopeless. Hopeless x6 | ||
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On October 12 2012 18:18 Djodref wrote: @Thrawn Could you sum me up what you have against sandroba ? I didn't take the time to look at his filter yet because he is my opponent for this round and I guessed he was going to be scrutinized enough. By the way, what do you think about my case ? Here was my original case against him: + Show Spoiler + On October 11 2012 17:35 thrawn2112 wrote: Gonna vote for sandroba over kush. I'm getting a pretty scummy read off of sandroba atm. The majority of his filter is fluff. Then there's this bit: So here he says that prplhz is his best scum read. Not only does sandroba not push to vote prplhz over kush during round 1, he doesn't even mention prplhz again. Why would any townie not want to at least throw 1 vote for their "top scumread?" Why would any townie have a "top scumread" that they never talk about? He also says: "Hunches" aren't good enough explanations for me. And this is the 2nd case where sandroba has a read but he's not willing to go the distance to push his votes. He says prplhz is his top scum read, never votes for him or mentions him again. He wants da0ud to go through based on a hunch, and he puts a lot of weight behind the validity of his hunches. Yet he doesn't put enough votes in to push da0ud through. So that's twice where his stated intentions don't match up with his actions. FOS sandroba Since that case he's barely made any posts and all he's done is defend himself and attack ON who is the easiest target in the game. | ||
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On October 13 2012 01:42 Hopeless1der wrote: I'll do this before I address his case. Djodref was tunneling me at the time and no one else was committed to lighting a fire under me. My play has been admittedly lackluster, and yet everyone is content to just brush me off as scum with little to no discussion. Djodref sums things up nicely in his predictions post (Thrawn good, Hopeless bad), but note the bolded part regarding Hiro-vs-ON + Show Spoiler + On October 12 2012 00:38 Djodref wrote: Day 1 Round 2 Preview Hopeless/Thrawn It's kind of night and day. Thrawn is active in the thread, gives good contributions and points out what is weird in other players posts. So far I have a slight town read on him. I would expect very good reasons for anyone wanting him to advance. Hopeless on the opposite has almost contributed nothing. He also seems strangely obsessed with people being around at deadline or not. Which is even stranger when you consider that it seems ok for him to unvote everything without warning just before the deadline. I'll develop later on Hopeless, hopefully with some insight from his side, but I would go as far as saying that he is my top scumread at the moment. Prediction: Hopeless advances to the Ro4 3-0 HiroPro/OriginalName At first glance this MU looks easy but it could be more interesting that it looks like. Once thing I have learned in my previous game is that obvious scum players are usually town (Kush being an exception of this rule^^). We could all agree that ON looks bad, like very very bad. Casting last minute panic votes (on me on top of that) after zero posts and not even properly explaining his motives is scummy as hell. But thinking about it, I cannot imagine any mafia player being this obvious. So I want to give him a second chance for today and see if he can make it up before the deadline. HiroPro hasn't posting that much and I didn't like his post encouraging people to share their thoughts and plans about the lynch mechanics. Right now, I would vote him over ON but I don't want to spend more than 3 votes on this (I didn't keep my 10 votes like, let's say, Hopeless). Prediction: ON advaces against my will to the Round 4 5-3 Basically, I'm too scummy to be scum. And yeah, that's a stretch, but read my filter for the level of evasiveness and unproductive behavior. I actively avoided discussion and existed in my own little world of deadlines and schedules, all of which came up in djodref's case against me. I wanted djodref to advance because I felt I'd have a better chance at getting this case made against me and seeing if anyone bites onto it. So far, the responses have not been too supportive of his case, despite the fact that it makes sense, doesn't misrepresent me or what I did, and has clear and well thought out reasons for his vote against me. Djodref has been very consistent and open in his read of me AND of his stance of ON's lurking not being that scummy. For this, I now think he's town. I voted him to advance because I wanted to ensure I could the case on me made (knowing I looked scummy as shit) to see how his reads would or would not change. I feel that if I had advanced ET, he would not have been pressured into making the case. In addition, it demonstrates that djodref can and does provide his reads to the town and is an asset worth having around. I'm confused.... You voted for djodref because he was tunneling you and you wanted to see if he would be consistent with his case against you? | ||
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On October 13 2012 02:28 EchelonTee wrote: I think he's saying that he did a gambit. Deliberately making himself scum to try and attract a case on him? The issue I have with this is that this says nothing about djodref's alignment. You say that because he say scumminess in you, he must be townie. Do you not understand that both town and scum want to make cases on scummy people? Towns people want to kill scum, while scum want to kill bad townies who make themselves look scummy. Like you. You basically ensured your demise to get >>1<< town read. You haven't thought this through. That's what I'm getting but I'm still trying to work through the logic of it...like I just don't see how it makes sense | ||
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On October 13 2012 03:28 Hopeless1der wrote: I Ninja Unvoted + Show Spoiler + On October 12 2012 03:56 Hopeless1der wrote: Addressing more of this: IF you make any statement towards being inactive at the deadline (like mementoss has) then if you do anything around the deadline you're instantly suspicious. You will be scrutinized and the town will have a greater ability to control the lynch because everyone will know that certain votes are completely locked in place and are not subject to change. I'm getting some flak for my ##Unvote All, part of which is I gave no notice that I was doing anything. However, I had already posted that I was going to be available during the deadline, which no one cared about, and the end result is almost exactly the same. The exception is that you, kush, advanced as a result, BUT Hiro was under the impression that you would have gone through without my 'assistance'. My activity during the deadline had a significant impact, which I would rather people be aware of so that no one is blindsided. You say I'm feigning activity. My activity is poor, and as close to trivial as it gets, but my actions have clear motive in terms of how people have advanced each round. You claim I'm not scumhunting. No, not in the conventional sense, I'm not. There are now 4 players completely out of the running for todays' lynch, but for all I know, all the scum are in those players. I have no flips and very limited information. I realize I'm not giving people much to work with, but I'll deal with that later. I'd rather not give scumreads because of both the short length of the game so far and the lynch mechanics. I will go through the matchups and give my thoughts on those. Hiro vs ON is already done. Explicitly NOT giving a proper read on kush in the spoilered post above, despite causing him to advance in his bracket. I basically gave a summary of what happened with my votes without giving any solid input concerning my reads. I also posted this in the spoiler: And my general insistence on deadlines and schedules earlier on in the game, instead of scumhunting or engaging in ANY productive discussion whatsoever. Working on my response to djodref's case. K it might be because I'm tri[[ing hard right now but that response didn't make sende in relation to the question I asked. Can you try again? Basically I'm just confused as to wtf you've exactly been doing this game. | ||
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So I want it to be sandroba vs ON, with sandroba getting lynched. | ||
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On October 13 2012 04:39 EchelonTee wrote: Having no night is weird. Don't have time to collect my thoughts on anything lol. How would sandroba be a policy lynch? He's been around. Lynching him would be an old-fashioned regular lynch. were you talking about my post? the policy lynch part referred to ON, not sandroba | ||
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You voted djodref in order to see how his read on you developed? Were you acting scummy on purpose, or was your scumminess something you realized after the fact and decided to take advantage of? Or in other words... when did it first occur to you to enact your plan? | ||
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On October 13 2012 07:05 Hopeless1der wrote: I'm sorry...I'm supposed to be finding scumreads but I sidetracked myself with cleaning my house of all things... I wanted to try to be scummy beforehand, so I was going to try to ninja vote, which I did, and be generally unhelpful to see who bites. I felt I was kind of screwed and needed someone to make a case on me, but no one needed to because my matchups were so one sided. Is that referring to when you unvoted at the end of D1? | ||
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On October 13 2012 07:09 sandroba wrote: I've read over the last few pages and nothing new has really come up. Today is a holiday, so I got wasted ytd and just woke up. Now I'm going to proceed and do the same thing over again, so don't expect posts till tomorrow. u srs? | ||
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On October 13 2012 07:40 prplhz wrote: 1der only talked about one single match up for the first like 10 posts which looks tunnely and that's really weird because everybody else is talking about stuff all over the place. i also skimmed some of his earlier games and i can't really remember what i found out right now (i keep mixing hiro and hopeless up in my brain) but it made me lean slightly more scummy on him. are you willing to vote for him? i'm having trouble with that mu... ON is just afk/null/wtf/etc so any vote on him would be strictly a policy lynch. however i am interested in keeping up the pressure on hopeless because his main defense is that he was acting intentionally scummy... so I'm kinda wanting to keep the pressure on him so that my read on him will be based off of more than what he's already given | ||
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I haven't come to a conclusion about his "scum plan" story yet. But honestly I'm wanting to save my votes for the next round so unless I end up more decisive on that MU than I am right now I probably won't use any votes on it | ||
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I don't want to waste my votes on what would only be a policy lynch, and I'm more interested in pushing sandroba than I am hopeless so I'm not wanting to use votes on the ON vs 1der MU | ||
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On October 13 2012 10:36 kitaman27 wrote: DID I MENTION THIS IS DOUBLE ELIMINATION?  fuuuuuuu lol | ||
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On October 13 2012 11:00 EchelonTee wrote: Vote bombing ON, fuck it. I don't want 1der to die and idgaf between ON and sandroba, both should die at this point. so what do you give a fuck about? who is your top scumread? | ||
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On October 13 2012 11:08 EchelonTee wrote: You misinterpret me; I'm not saying IDGAF as in I don't think either of them are worthy of the lynch. I'm saying I consider them both bad enough to lynch and don't care who dies today. who is your top scumread | ||
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On October 13 2012 11:30 EchelonTee wrote: Sandroba, and a bullet into OriginalName. I would want a double lynch. thats bs you can only pick one | ||
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Also from reading your filter I don't know what your top scumread is. So do you have a top scum read? (within the bracket or outside of it) | ||
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Oh and same goes for Austin.. that dude has 9 votes and all I've seen from him lately are weird hypothetical questions... I stated earlier that I want him to share some scumreads. I think I know his town meta pretty well... he likes writing epic walls of texts where he spells out his thoughts on pretty much every aspect of the game and that's not what I'm seeing from him. ON and da0 also have a lot of votes but they are either so afk or so noob that my read on them is null. Hiro I am null on. He's made some arguments that I've disagreed with but he's voiced original opinions so I haven't seen anything to point towards scum yet. | ||
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On October 13 2012 16:00 sandroba wrote: I'm not going to fight against this lynch. This is simply too stupid to fight over and I don't feel like it. If you people stopped one second to look at this thread you would come to realise that is simply no way I'm scum purely based on how this situation came to be. Also there is no case against me. I refuse to defend myself against the ignorant uninformed opinion of a bunch of riotters. This is no way to play mafia. You have to look at the intricacies and not follow the mob rule that is usually driven by scum. I leave you sheep to your fate. My reads so far is that ET austin hiro and kush are town. I honestly don't know anymore about ON cuz I would expect him to try to at least keep apearances as scum. This djodref is either very dumb or scum. You would never as town (and inteligent) feel that a person that is standing up to you against the majority trying to lynch would be scum. Prpl and mementos are prob scum. You've been pushed through the bracket for having a top scum read you never talked about or voted for (prplhz) and for not explaining your hunch on the d vs d MU, as well as not caring enough about that hunch (which you said you have faith in) to vote do0 through, and since then all you've done is throw votes on ON who is the easiest and least controversial player to talk about. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + Mememtos - 0 Hiro - 0 Austin - 0 Thrawn - 0 Sand memtoss 2x thrawn 2x hopeless 3x prplhz thrawn 1x djo 1x ON djo 1x kush 1x sandroba 8x hopeless 1x hiro 2x da0 sandroba 2x prplhz 1x kush 1x djo memtoss 1x austin 1x thrawn 2x ET 1x hiro 1x ON 2x da0 1x hopeless djo 8x prplhz 1x kush 6x ET memtoss 1x Hiro kush 1x ET 1x kush mementoss 1x hiro 2x ET 2x sandroba is there anything you wish to talk about? I will indulge you | ||
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On October 14 2012 01:57 thrawn2112 wrote: jesus austin I cannot tell for the life of me tell who you plan on voting for. can you make your current stance clear please? i need some fucking cigarettes | ||
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tbh: D1 suspicions < other suspicions sandroba as a town player > that other guy therefore: + Show Spoiler + | ||
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IMO sandroba is scummier than ON, but I am also a coward and I have no problems with a policy lynch... and when you think about it, ON is the perfect policy lynch candidate if there ever was one. | ||
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On October 14 2012 06:57 prplhz wrote: Can you explain this? Do you think there's a bigger chance of OriginalName flipping scum than sandroba? I'm mostly confused by sandroba's posts today. I've never seen someone defend themselves by saying "you guys are so awful i'm not even going to try" and I'm not sure what to make of that. As for ON, I have absolutely no idea what the chances of him flipping scum are. Just complete null read. His only notable action so far, the last minute voting, could have been done by either a townie or scum if they thought they might get modkilled... so he's a complete null read, Sandroba I'd put at a higher chance of flipping scum than most but that doesn't mean I'm confident he will. | ||
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On October 14 2012 09:30 prplhz wrote: A non-defense is just that: not a defense. Like, I don't care about defense at all I just wanted him to show that he was townie and what I saw in that post was him saying "I'm not going to make an attempt at showing you that I'm a townie". Then he proceeded to actually post stuff. I just think that it was lacklustre but I wont claim that I would understand everything townie sandroba says all the time. If you think sandroba has a higher chance of flipping scum then why did you remove your votes? Like, I probably shouldn't say this but what makes me a little worried is how scum aren't counter pushing OriginalName. sandroba is absolutely not indefensible and OriginalName is an easy target. Why aren't scum counter pushing OriginalName? Because I'm still considering a policy lynch. Having a scumread on sandroba doesn't automatically trump a null read on ON. And if I'm wrong about sand then that would be a great loss to town. btw what is your read on memtoss? | ||
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On October 14 2012 09:40 prplhz wrote: dude i don't give two fucks about mementoss until after deadline why didn't scum counter push originalname? lol look at those two lines in your post.... do you not see how they are connected? | ||
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On October 14 2012 10:44 kushm4sta wrote: it does kind of seem like he is trying too hard to not be lynched to be scum,, as weird as that sounds. it does sound weird explain it to me | ||
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On October 14 2012 10:45 sandroba wrote: Would I as town just let this stupid lynch happen then and not fight over it? But that is basically what has happened up until the last 30 min or so | ||
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On October 14 2012 10:54 kushm4sta wrote:scum read=austin for throwing away his votes and feigning towniess with stupid games he makes people play lmao | ||
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imo the only possible busser candidates are kush and prp... hiro maybe too but his switch was pretty early on and a buss was not needed at that point. I still don't like the way austin gave away the majority of his votes.... i doubt he was bussing but by giving away his votes he was giving away his responsibility for the lynch so i'm a tiny bit wary of him of course that all excludes the possibility of sand being scum, but i'm getting a pretty town vibe on him purely based on my reads of his emotions before and after lynch | ||
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On October 14 2012 11:14 EchelonTee wrote:  Nice to come back to this.Not that it really matters anymore, but I wanted ON lynched primarily as a policy lynch, which is not as bad a reason as people seem to think. Letting a lurker live without any measures taken, especially in a mini is absolutely terrible for town. I don't know how many games towns have lost because they reached LYLO with a lurker. Imagine if ON had been replaced, in this case it might've been VE. It's so easy for a replaced scum to float by with the excuse "Don't judge me for my predecessor's actions. Here are 1 or 2 fake cases that will keep you off me until LYLO". Examples: Marv in TL Mafia LV, cccalf in Sum of All Fears, X in Y mafia x1000 Yeah you're right, this post is completely uncalled for / useless and because of that it rubs me the wrong way especially if you combine it with the fact that you did not vote | ||
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On October 14 2012 11:22 kushm4sta wrote: daoud and hopeless were the big voters for sandroba. ET ignored the lynch all together until minutes after it happened. there's also djo i think... he didn't have an votes but said he wanted to vote for sandroba right? anyways we don't know how long the night cycle will be so might as well get our "if i die before I wake" posts out of the way if I were to hazard a guess at a scum team off the top of my head it would be ET and hopeless. I haven't gone back and looked at anything yet but that's just my gut feeling | ||
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On October 14 2012 11:59 prplhz wrote: dunno, dunno, about zero which was why i switched you don't still think i'm scum do you? I don't know. It was a weird timing combination of you, kush, and by association austin (for giving votes) that pushed ON over the edge... once again that's assuming that sand is town. I don;t remember the exact timings so I'll give my reads on that once I go back and read through the last round of voting. | ||
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On October 14 2012 12:29 EchelonTee wrote: Agreed. Just weirded out how he continuously asks people for their top scumreads lol because people haven't been giving them lol. all D1 everyone was just focused on whoever looked scummier out of each matchup which was probably not the way we should have been doing it | ||
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On October 14 2012 13:12 EchelonTee wrote: See this is why I like night. People can just talk. It's like returning to the pub after a day of running around like headless chicken That's an apt description of the most frustrating D1 I've been part of. If the new lynch mechanic involves not getting flips for like a week idk what I'll do. | ||
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On October 14 2012 15:58 da0ud wrote: Sorry just caught up on the chat and am currently hiking close to china border so poor network. One first thing on my vote against San is at the time as default choice between two people I found scummy. I found more content on sand than on the lurker ON. And at the time I put my votes there was already 11 votes on san. I was following the crowd. Overnight the defense of Sand got pretty intense and sure would I have shifted my votes towards ON, not that it would have made a difference anyway. Even if it is not confirmed I am fairly sure Sand is town cause he put his votes on ON to go to the final which would not make sense for a scum to push another scum to face him in finals. At this stage I am pretty sure as well mementoss is scum. I already put it as second scum read from the round of 4 but now put him as top read. Ok you voted for sandroba because: "One first thing on my vote against San is at the time as default choice between two people I found scummy." but here are the most recent cases of you talking about either of them: On October 13 2012 11:21 da0ud wrote: ON moves on then not then again. Now I am pretty sure at least one town is in the finals. Let's hope there are not two of them and we find the scummy one On October 13 2012 11:18 da0ud wrote: I see as well that Sand voted 7 times against ON to make him move on, when himself was already doomed over Djo. Hence ON and Sand cannot both be scums. It is actually a good result to have Sand vs Hopeless So please show me where you found ON scummy. In fact it seems like you weren't "thinking" ON was scum... your reason for voting him was always policy related: On October 13 2012 11:03 da0ud wrote: I wanted ON over Hopeless because of ON inactivity and actually ON has posted a lot of good things and but effort in his defense. There is more content to be expected from him to help us get a better read on him in the future. I do want Sand > Djo which is the case right now. From what i said earlier I dont think either that Djo and Hopeless can both be mafia, hence at least we are saving one valuable town with constructive agrumentation. Oh and I'm not really convinced about memtoss.... I don't buy that he was bussing ON. His votes for ON came at a time when a bus would have been extremely stupid or extremely clever and I doubt he's capable of either. I think he was the first person to actually vote ON. Maybe a scum memtoss would have figured that sand is getting lynched no matter what but I doubt he'd have taken that risk. | ||
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On October 15 2012 06:21 prplhz wrote: hold on to it until you guys get your heads out of your asses. then i'm going to blow up scum with it instead. what exactly does that mean? how are our heads up our asses, how shall we pull them out, and who is scum? | ||
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On October 15 2012 06:34 EchelonTee wrote: Thrawn, what do you think of djo? i'm very confident on da0 being scum, and i think it's somewhat likely prplhz is too so that doesn't leave much room for other scumreads. Also ON voted djo so there's that... Only reason I have to suspect djo is because he didn't actually have a vote in the last round so we have no real way of determining his "true motives".... and his last intentions were to vote for sand. His last reads were prp and hiro and I'd liek to know the explanations for those as well as what he thinks about da0 | ||
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On October 15 2012 10:43 austinmcc wrote:It actually just feels like this is another distraction and we're sitting around not developing any reads or talking, while just chatting about hiding. I'm in favor of some potato-passing whether people hide or no. However do like this line of thought. Having someone who we think is town, or a town person that knows they're town holding onto the potato for a long time is really no better than just passing it around because of how the random lynch thing works. So I kinda would like to see to potato being passed around for 2 reasons. A) It will establish everyone's top scumreads B) It's more entertaining that way. If we just keep passing to our scumreads, I think statistically we are most likely to hit the person whom on average is most suspected of being scum. I don't really know what to say about the hide mechanic other than maybe we all do it immediately? idk | ||
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On October 15 2012 12:21 da0ud wrote: Guys, I know I am town. If the majority wants me to get lynched, they i will have to go with it. If so, just give me the potato and i will keep it until the majority asks me to pass it. If I blow up, then you will see I was town. Who would you pass it to if we agreed that you don't have to hold it? | ||
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why i think both da0 and prp are scum = they both want/agree to hold onto the potato. what town player would want the potato? no town player wants the potato unless they think they know when the potato goes kapow and nobody knows when that'll happen. why would scum want the potato? to gain town cred by pretending not to care if they have the potato. da0 you should be talking about who is scum... and you;re going to have to try harder than making crazy night action theories. That theory did make a little bit of sense but it's all circumstantial and it assumes that the mods were hovering over the thread at the exact moment the night actions were sent in | ||
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Now about everyone burning their hide.... I really don't know. I don't really know how it'll make much of a difference in who gets lynched, and only 3 people can hide between each pass of the potato so we'd have to figure out the order in which we all do it. I'm not sure we would be able to coordinate that so I'm not really putting too much thought into it. tldr: idk/idc | ||
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all this + Show Spoiler + On October 14 2012 11:42 prplhz wrote: i'm thinking hiro and da0ud but who knows On October 14 2012 19:01 prplhz wrote: i should just have gone with my first scum read it seems On October 15 2012 06:27 prplhz wrote: hiro and da0ud just gonna go with my early reads. instead of asking for meta on me all the time go read my town and scum games. i believe i have 2 town and 3 scum games in my last 5 games so it's easy to find something.On October 15 2012 21:21 prplhz wrote: can you please explain to me how you can be so dumb to think that scum are just going to pass the potato between each other? if that happens you can be 100% sure that one of them isn't scum. da0ud is probably scum and i should just have gone with my page 2 scum read on him and realized that OriginalName's 2 ninja votes were suspicious as fuck but sandroba is just ten steps ahead of me. i might pass it to him but then you have to deal with how he's passing it to a townie Mementoss (doubt Mementoss would have the balls to tell a townie sandroba to sod off in the first 2 pages if he was scum). i'm thinking Mementoss holds on to his hide for now and then he hides when i give the potato to da0ud. On October 15 2012 21:32 prplhz wrote: you'd hold on to it if you know that it's the only thing that can convince this town that you're not scum i mean holding on to it for long enough it'll 100% convince them (it blows up and they see a flip) but passing the potato to a scum would be even better. i just need to decide if i want to pass it to da0ud who would probably just lead to him flipping scum and then me getting lynched tomorrow or if i want to give it to the third scum so i don't have to get lynched as town for the third game in a row.hiropro and echelontee should hide. if echelontee doesn't hide in the next 2 hours (he should be around at the end of those 2 hours) i'm giving him the bomb. and now you're giving it to ET based on....... what exactly? | ||
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I don't like the way prplhz and memtoss have defended each other in the last couple pages On October 15 2012 21:21 prplhz wrote: can you please explain to me how you can be so dumb to think that scum are just going to pass the potato between each other? if that happens you can be 100% sure that one of them isn't scum. da0ud is probably scum and i should just have gone with my page 2 scum read on him and realized that OriginalName's 2 ninja votes were suspicious as fuck but sandroba is just ten steps ahead of me. i might pass it to him but then you have to deal with how he's passing it to a townie Mementoss (doubt Mementoss would have the balls to tell a townie sandroba to sod off in the first 2 pages if he was scum). i'm thinking Mementoss holds on to his hide for now and then he hides when i give the potato to da0ud. On October 15 2012 21:27 Mementoss wrote: Work Time now, so I don't have time to explain. Hopefully will before the potato blows I would MUCH rather lynch d0ad over prplhz. If you actually read prplhz filter he looks pretty town ignoring the fact he really thought sandroba was scum. But guess what? Townies are wrong most of the time. They don't have the information like scum. They can't manufacturer reads based on this information. That looks like what da0d has been doing all game, picking people to make cases on and manufacturing them after the fact. Also, to everyone saying lolz da0d/ prplhz pass between eachother. (kush) I want a detailed post on why you think they are both scum. Including stuff that doesn't have to do with ON flipping scum. Also think if you had the potato and you knew you were town. Why the fuck would you listen to anyone else or hold the potato because someone told you to? Holding the potato as town makes no sense. Holding the potato as scum, makes more sense to get town cred. Telling people what they have do with the potato without a good reason, or they will be lynched is complete scum motivation. If I had the potato, I would not hold that thing a second longer than I had to, and would be putting it on my top scum read, not someone elses. Why? You know your own alignment and no one elses. You can only trust yourself at that point. | ||
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On October 15 2012 23:32 Mementoss wrote: Does this change your view of me from the last page? And it was funny how right after I defend prplhz he ninja defends me, and then subsequently makes a plan to throw the potatoe at ET without explanation. If you could pick one person to be scum that doesn't include me prplhz or da0d. Who would it be? (only asking your because your my top town read atm) Idk that will require some reading. But there has been this voice in the back of my head telling me to be suspicious of austin. There's a subtle difference in his meta this game from his meta in the 2 recent games I've seen him play town. In this game he spent a much longer time being lurkish before posting walls of text and I had to specifically call him out to get him to do so. He's also been doing weird shit like asking "if you r scum" hypotheticals... in those other games I saw him jnust being way more straight forward in general. And he only put down a single vote in round 1, then he put down 3 votes for ON in r4 and left the rest of his votes up to me and kush. At the time when he made that offer kush looked like he was for sure going to vote sand and I was on the fence but leaning sand. That's 6 of his votes, or 60% of his D1 actions we cant really account for. I still don't understand how anyone would want to give away their votes. Other than those things I've gotten a very townish vibe off of him but those things have been in the back of my mind all game. | ||
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On October 16 2012 11:39 Hopeless1der wrote: I won't sit idle tomorrow, if I'm still alive. fos that guy ^^ lol if you're town why on earth would mafia kill you that's so silly to suggest otherwise you need to start doing something other than talking about how scummy you are | ||
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and yeah I'm actually in agreement with you about daoud. I'm also not convinced about memtoss. Lately I've been wading through the filters of hopeless/austin. Austin's play has just been weird compared to his normal meta. I'm used to seeing him writing these exhaustive walls of analysis where he details his exact reads on people... this game he's just been doing stranger stuff and he seems more willing to go into lurk mode if you don't call him out | ||
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On October 16 2012 19:54 kushm4sta wrote: haha thrawn when did you realize this? after sandroba's speech that made no sense (will get to that in post game)? yeah that was part of it but mostly just looking at how well it's done for me in the past. writing walls of text is good at making you look town but it means you're spend less time reading the thread and thinking... instead you just sit there jerking off to how good you think your posts are | ||
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On October 16 2012 21:04 kushm4sta wrote: @thrawn have you ever rolled scum before? Do not answer for liquid city since that game is ongoing. If you rolled scum what would you play like? no I haven't (unless you count sk) so I have no idea. I'd either ask my mafia bros for advice the entire time or I'd just tell them to bus the shit out of me D1. or I might bus the shit out of them the whole game. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On October 10 2012 13:24 da0ud wrote: Hi again guys ! Happy to be here with ya all ! I am french leaving in HK and pretty bored at work currently so this game will have my full attention. This is my first MAFIA game on a chat thread, but I have played a lot with real friends in real life. So it should be pretty cool. One first guess on the voting system is that people who are already given a BYE from first round are at a disadvantage (cause they have one less chance to be out) and on top of that they are higher seeded hence at a second disadvantage in case of 0-0 tie. Pretty unfair isn't it. I guess it must have been a master plan from the Alien Invaders who put themselves all as the lowest seeded people. I would put focus on eliminating players number 10, 11 and 12 this round if possible. What do you guys think ? At least i am trying to put a lead on who is what.... Daoud. On October 11 2012 14:38 da0ud wrote: Well, as he was the only one really supporting me, he could easily get my trust and getting me to follow his lead on who to vote against, etc. If he was mafia, then that would be another bullet for the mafia team (ie : getting a townie to follow their voting pattern). Maybe what i say doesn't make sense, but : * Let say we are 9 townies, 3 mafia. * One of the mafia supports the "weird" guy (who is the only one who reads the theme of the game :D) * Let's assume this guy is now 40% following the conviction of the manipulator. * Town is now made of 3.4 mafia vs 8.6 townies, and the plague is spreading. But I am not that dumb (or am I ?), I'll make decisions by myself. The alien invaders "joke" is just..... idk. Later on he said it was an attempt to get discussion moving but I do not see how he could expect anyone to take that idea seriously. Then he talks about "mini scum"..... just wtf once again. Da0 what were you talking about with mini scum? Another point against him is that he laid down 9 votes on sandroba. That's already been addressed by people on both sides of the da0 debate but it still stands as a fact. He talked about his vote for sand and here was my initial take on his post: + Show Spoiler + On October 14 2012 16:51 thrawn2112 wrote: yeah the bolded part just screams noob mafia Ok you voted for sandroba because: "One first thing on my vote against San is at the time as default choice between two people I found scummy." but here are the most recent cases of you talking about either of them: So please show me where you found ON scummy. In fact it seems like you weren't "thinking" ON was scum... your reason for voting him was always policy related: Oh and I'm not really convinced about memtoss.... I don't buy that he was bussing ON. His votes for ON came at a time when a bus would have been extremely stupid or extremely clever and I doubt he's capable of either. I think he was the first person to actually vote ON. Maybe a scum memtoss would have figured that sand is getting lynched no matter what but I doubt he'd have taken that risk. Also, he was who Sandroba most wanted us to kill, and from I can tell it's the same deal with ET. Both of those guys are dead. Sandroba's lst words about da0 were: On October 14 2012 16:57 sandroba wrote: Just lynch da0ud, then prplhz, then you figure the rest out if the game is not over. The only reason why I think he could be town is because his scumhunting posts show a lot of townie paranoia. Like a lot. And this being his first game that would make sense for him to be overly paranoid. And he has shown pretty consistent suspicion of memtoss but eh, scum or town would do that. So for now he's gonna stay at number 3 spot,on my list and will possibly move up higher because I'm not confident that he's scum but there is so much against him (his posts seem forced, he was sandroba's and et's lynch choice, he voted 9 for sandroba)that it'd be dumb to let it slide. Also I think a do0 flip would be extremely useful. As for austin.... bleh. I've played 1 game with him (town austin) and I've obsed a couple of his town games and he just seemed so much more straightforward and useful than he's being in this game. His word count is still really high but his post just seem way fluffier than what I'd come to expect from him. Also I still can't get over the vote sharing thing from D1. I can not understand how any town player would do that.... first of all that means that you don't trust your own judgement which I don't think that'd be the case with a town austin, and it also means that you have almost confirmed town reads in the people you're giving the votes to. He did it on D1... could he really have been so sure that kush and I were town at that point? Also, at the time he made the offer I believe kush was strongly in favor of lynching sandroba, and I was on the fence but I'd been the main person pushing sand's case all game. 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Am I really deserving of #2 spot on your scumread list because of those reasons? Like of all the scumhunting you've done so far this is the most laughable. Like they're so laughable I can't even begin to think how to respond to them. First you say I've voted for town people... well guess what that's what happens in mafia. Then you say I switch to ON... care to explain what was so scummy about the timing of me switching? As far as I remember I was in the thread almost all day willing to talk to anyone about sand/ON.... look at the starting point when I first voted for sand round 4 and read until I voted ON, and even went to lengths to get austin to put votes onto ON for me... and tell me if you still don't think that was a genuine change of opinion. On your 2nd point... how can you assume that I was trying to suggest anything? You're saying I was trying to suggest that I'm vanilla town... well maybe that statement looks like it came from a VT.... because it came from a VT. For point #3, just lol. You're starting with the assumption that I'm scum and then forming your argument to support it. | ||
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On October 17 2012 16:00 da0ud wrote: You are not #1. In point 2) I don't assume you are VT, you assume your actions were quick, while actually mafia people would actually need some time to discuss who they want to kill. 3) as you say in this game we can turn every single post in a perfect town read to a perfect scum read, depending on the initial state of mind. i have almost no idea what you're trying to say here and how it relates to the argument at hand | ||
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so correct me if i'm getting this wrong but the logic works out to be like this: ON is scum. Sand is town. Scum don't want a scum in the finals. That;s why hopleess was originally set to advance instead of ON. We know this because it was ET who pushed ON into the finals, and ET is town. If hopeless and ON were both scum, then scum should have been bussing ON because he would have been the less detrimental loss. It would have made no sense for scum to push a scum hopeless into finals rather than a scum ON. Therefore the scum plan was to move hopeless (who is town) into the finals? | ||
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Hopeless vs OriginalName 15-12 sandroba vs djodref 4-0 To me that very clearly suggests scum activity behind the hopeless vs ON matchup... and the two who voted for hopeless were kush/djo. I suggest everyone go and read the r3 part of the thread. I see only three possible scenarios: A) there is scum among kush/djo B) hopeless took the lead against ON on accident without scum interference C) if hopeless is scum then for some reason scum decided they'd rather have hopeless in the finals instead on ON I really think there is something too all this but lets please keep the discussion from reaching wifom insanity | ||
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A) there is scum among kush/djo B) town hopeless took the lead against ON on accident without scum interference C) if hopeless is scum then for some reason scum decided they'd rather have hopeless in the finals instead on ON | ||
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concerning the three options I listed earlier: For kush to be scum that would have meant that he was bussing the shit out of ON. I checked the voting thread against the real thread and it was kush who pushed ON over the edge. Also I have a pretty strong meta town read on him. Djo, I still think he's town.... but I am way less certain of him being town than kush being town. So now I need to decide if either Djo is scum, or if town hopeless was set to advance into the finals without mafia voting interference. Djo said he thought this would be likely because hopeless was playing scummy even by his own account. I'm not really sure that I can make much more of this without delving into wifom so for now I'm just going to assume hopeless is town and carry on from there. | ||
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On October 17 2012 21:44 kushm4sta wrote: guys real cases against thrawn and djo and a closer look at Austin is coming when I get home. I hate all these assumptions about scumvotes d1. I think its very.possible that they thought he would be modkilled, so they took the opportunity to gain town points from the situation. fuck if this is a scumslip and I ignore it I'll be pissed at myself later... kush is that why you lynched ON? To gain towncred? | ||
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I really don't know what to make of him. Like I've said I want to think he's town because his scumhunting shows newbie townie paranoia (crazy association cases etc) but there's so much against him.... and this last flip flop has been truly wtf. | ||
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On October 18 2012 00:00 Hopeless1der wrote: I just tried to make sense of da0ud's filter's 2nd page but there's too many mistyped names for me to properly make sense of the logic. My basic conclusion is based on the tone and language he used and that his posting made it sound like he had pretty much solved who was scum/town when it was: Hopeless vs Sandroba (He felt sandroba was scum) but when it was ON vs sandroba he was no longer sure of anything. His change in tone and conviction is drastic and is not adequately justified. I see massive scum motivation in trying to avoid taking a definitive stance in order to gauge the town atmosphere and attempt to push for sandroba's mislynch. What are you referring to with hopeless vs sandroba I don't recall that being a matchup | ||
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Right now I'm thinking scum are between da0 austin hiro and maybe djo. my town reads are hopeless/memtoss/kush. Da0 is the hardest for me to decide on. He's either way up high (#1) on the list or way down low. A lot of what I think makes him scum could just be newbness or language barrier | ||
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On October 18 2012 01:18 Mementoss wrote: Too many people have austin high on there list without explaining it, and no one has commented on my austin case except kush who just said: austin case on mmt >>>> mmt case on austin we need lists from austin, kush, hiro,da0d asap. here are some words about da0 austin and hiro + Show Spoiler + On October 17 2012 15:13 thrawn2112 wrote: There's a lot in the tone and motive of da0's posts that make me think he is scum, but I'm having a hard time differentiating that from what might just be language barrier problems, or general first time noobishness. Here are some examples. They include just general weirdness, hints of insincerity, and chiming in with agreement whenever people defend him. + Show Spoiler + On October 10 2012 13:24 da0ud wrote: Hi again guys ! Happy to be here with ya all ! I am french leaving in HK and pretty bored at work currently so this game will have my full attention. This is my first MAFIA game on a chat thread, but I have played a lot with real friends in real life. So it should be pretty cool. One first guess on the voting system is that people who are already given a BYE from first round are at a disadvantage (cause they have one less chance to be out) and on top of that they are higher seeded hence at a second disadvantage in case of 0-0 tie. Pretty unfair isn't it. I guess it must have been a master plan from the Alien Invaders who put themselves all as the lowest seeded people. I would put focus on eliminating players number 10, 11 and 12 this round if possible. What do you guys think ? At least i am trying to put a lead on who is what.... Daoud. On October 11 2012 14:38 da0ud wrote: Well, as he was the only one really supporting me, he could easily get my trust and getting me to follow his lead on who to vote against, etc. If he was mafia, then that would be another bullet for the mafia team (ie : getting a townie to follow their voting pattern). Maybe what i say doesn't make sense, but : * Let say we are 9 townies, 3 mafia. * One of the mafia supports the "weird" guy (who is the only one who reads the theme of the game :D) * Let's assume this guy is now 40% following the conviction of the manipulator. * Town is now made of 3.4 mafia vs 8.6 townies, and the plague is spreading. But I am not that dumb (or am I ?), I'll make decisions by myself. The alien invaders "joke" is just..... idk. Later on he said it was an attempt to get discussion moving but I do not see how he could expect anyone to take that idea seriously. Then he talks about "mini scum"..... just wtf once again. Da0 what were you talking about with mini scum? Another point against him is that he laid down 9 votes on sandroba. That's already been addressed by people on both sides of the da0 debate but it still stands as a fact. He talked about his vote for sand and here was my initial take on his post: + Show Spoiler + On October 14 2012 16:51 thrawn2112 wrote: yeah the bolded part just screams noob mafia Ok you voted for sandroba because: "One first thing on my vote against San is at the time as default choice between two people I found scummy." but here are the most recent cases of you talking about either of them: So please show me where you found ON scummy. In fact it seems like you weren't "thinking" ON was scum... your reason for voting him was always policy related: Oh and I'm not really convinced about memtoss.... I don't buy that he was bussing ON. His votes for ON came at a time when a bus would have been extremely stupid or extremely clever and I doubt he's capable of either. I think he was the first person to actually vote ON. Maybe a scum memtoss would have figured that sand is getting lynched no matter what but I doubt he'd have taken that risk. Also, he was who Sandroba most wanted us to kill, and from I can tell it's the same deal with ET. Both of those guys are dead. Sandroba's lst words about da0 were: The only reason why I think he could be town is because his scumhunting posts show a lot of townie paranoia. Like a lot. And this being his first game that would make sense for him to be overly paranoid. And he has shown pretty consistent suspicion of memtoss but eh, scum or town would do that. So for now he's gonna stay at number 3 spot,on my list and will possibly move up higher because I'm not confident that he's scum but there is so much against him (his posts seem forced, he was sandroba's and et's lynch choice, he voted 9 for sandroba)that it'd be dumb to let it slide. Also I think a do0 flip would be extremely useful. As for austin.... bleh. I've played 1 game with him (town austin) and I've obsed a couple of his town games and he just seemed so much more straightforward and useful than he's being in this game. His word count is still really high but his post just seem way fluffier than what I'd come to expect from him. Also I still can't get over the vote sharing thing from D1. I can not understand how any town player would do that.... first of all that means that you don't trust your own judgement which I don't think that'd be the case with a town austin, and it also means that you have almost confirmed town reads in the people you're giving the votes to. He did it on D1... could he really have been so sure that kush and I were town at that point? Also, at the time he made the offer I believe kush was strongly in favor of lynching sandroba, and I was on the fence but I'd been the main person pushing sand's case all game. I am not convinced that town austin would have shared votes like that. As for hiro, he got the 2 spot on my list basically because of process of elimination. I don't have the slightest town read on him, nor do I have the slightest scum read. That is very worrying and in the past when there's a player that I'm not really concerned with because they are off the radar, big surprise they end up being scum. I'll look through his filter next. On October 16 2012 19:17 thrawn2112 wrote: how exactly is it different? only thing I can think of is that I'm somewhat trollish this game.... not really sure why I'm being like that but it could be due to... to quote nony... "substances that we'll collectively call alcohol" and yeah I'm actually in agreement with you about daoud. I'm also not convinced about memtoss. Lately I've been wading through the filters of hopeless/austin. Austin's play has just been weird compared to his normal meta. 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On October 18 2012 03:32 Mementoss wrote: why, austin has been defending da0 constantly, and da0 has had austin as a scum read, but it was always 3rd or 4th on his list, never a contender to be lynched in da0s regards, common thing to do with scum mates. because I don't think that scum austin would defend scum da0 so hard @austin that is a very believable response | ||
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Austin I decided to work out what my new list would be, in a hypothetical scenario where I decide you're town. It comes out looking like this: 1 mementoss 2 Djodref 3 hiro 4 da0ud 5 austin 6 kushm4sta 7 hopeless1der 8 thrawn That would be my new list of most scum to most town. Mementoss gets the first place because your case against him is very convincing. I'll have to go through his filter again myself but every time you've made a memtoss case I've found it convincing. Of course that list would have to be adjusted based on what everyone else is doing, because we are in fact listing our top choices for lynch instead of our top scumreads. But anyways what do you think about djodref? I think that if you're town, then the remaining scum are probably within mem, djo, hiro. Da0 is a guy like kush said, I don't have strong convictions about. My gut read tells me that his scumhunting has extremely newbie townie traits but on the other hand I don't want to ignore the reads of ET and sand. | ||
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On October 18 2012 09:30 kushm4sta wrote: I change my mind about djodref. I don't think scum djo would be as comfortable writing long paragraphs like he does just sharing his thoughts. He has constructed, formatted cases, but he also has posts in which he freely shares of this thoughts. He seems really comfortable and at ease in the thread. Is this the main reason you think djo is town because I would not expect this kind of reasoning, especially from you. Scum don't like to write long paragraphs? Are you serious? Did you completely forget about that game where I was sk? What was jacob doing the entire time other than writing long paragraphs sharing his thoughts? Same deal with you that game, his scumbuddy. What about sonic that last game? Writing long paragraphs is one of the dumbest reasons to cite for thinking somebody is town and you should know that. | ||
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As for your case, I don't think the "not giving potato to prplhz" is a good argument. Reading through his filter at that time it really looked like he had good reasons for not doing so. (He planned on giving prplhz the potato right before the 24 hour mark) Other than that the main stuff everyone (including me) has been citing as suspicious behavior was his lurking... well when he gets a replacement that makes me think he has legitimate real life reasons for his low activity. That does not point to townie or scummy... it just means he didn't have enough time to properly play the game so I can't make any judgement calls based on the fact that he was a lurker. Other than that, the posts he did make were well reasoned etc so I don't see anything damming enough to lynch his replacement. At this point my read on hiro is basically null and it's all going to be based off my read on VE from now on. | ||
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On October 18 2012 13:29 Djodref wrote: EBWOP: also I would like to know if it's normal to have replacement that late in the game. Do you really think this is a question that any mod would answer? I'd never ask something like this. | ||
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On October 13 2012 15:09 Djodref wrote: First of all, I'm disappointed that Hopeless did not advance to the final. Right now, I would like him to be lynched, at least for the confusion he is putting me through. Unfortunately, this is not going to happen today... I want him to flip so I definitively know if he is town or scum because it is going to bother me for a while. Last game I've been through a lot of WIFOM shit (thank you Kush by the way) and the result was me tunneling the town MVP for almost all game. I don't want this to happen again and I'll try to look for other players for a while. Hopeless explanations make me seriously doubting on my case against him (plus I've said myself that obvious scum is usually town, it might apply here again) but I cannot see him as town yet. Hopeless, I got my eyes on you <3 ! Reeeaaalllly scummy reasons to want to lynch somebody.... especially that 2nd bolded statement. | ||
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On October 18 2012 14:04 Djodref wrote: I was asking you if you have seen late replacement in other games. Also, you did not want to modkill Lesrah during our last game when you should have done it because he was scum Well this is bordering on the line of stuff we're not supposed to talk about, but from my experience mods don't like modkilling if there's any way they can avoid it. Alignment doesn't mean anything. I only held off on modkilling lesrah for so long because A) I thought I could replace him and B) because he contacted me saying he could start playing. You should never base your case on what a mod would or wouldn't do because you don't actually know what they would do and mod decisions are always subjective so you can't ever be sure. So enough mod talk. | ||
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On October 10 2012 19:31 Djodref wrote: I totally second Thrawn's last post. On October 16 2012 13:31 Djodref wrote: You better have a perfect case on thrawn and good explanations because right now I feel the need to read your filter again. And it is not a pleasant task. On October 17 2012 01:02 Djodref wrote:Please listen and trust Thrawn, he is my biggest town read atm. On October 17 2012 09:32 Djodref wrote: 1)Hopeless 2)Hiro 3) 4) 5) 6) 7)thrawn 8)djodref On October 17 2012 22:05 Djodref wrote: Thrawn has made a mistake in his last two posts, it was supposed to be a correction for him but it is useful for everybody regarding the present discussion. On this last one it seems weird that he'd say I made a mistake, shouldn't a town player be more suspicious of those types of mistakes? Djodref has had my back against kush, he's always had me as his most townish read, he tells everyone to trust me.... even if he thinks I'm town why would he feel the need to tell everyone to trust my opinion on things? As if I'm some perfect scumhunter? There's also countless other times I didn;t quote where he name drops me as the most townie person ever. Whenever he talks to me, I never get the feeling that he is the slightest bit wary of my responses... aren't town supposed to be suspicious of everything? I appreciate all the kind words but really it just makes me suspicious of you when you are buddying up to me the whole game. | ||
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On October 17 2012 15:13 thrawn2112 wrote: As for austin.... bleh. I've played 1 game with him (town austin) and I've obsed a couple of his town games and he just seemed so much more straightforward and useful than he's being in this game. His word count is still really high but his post just seem way fluffier than what I'd come to expect from him. Also I still can't get over the vote sharing thing from D1. I can not understand how any town player would do that.... first of all that means that you don't trust your own judgement which I don't think that'd be the case with a town austin, and it also means that you have almost confirmed town reads in the people you're giving the votes to. He did it on D1... could he really have been so sure that kush and I were town at that point? Also, at the time he made the offer I believe kush was strongly in favor of lynching sandroba, and I was on the fence but I'd been the main person pushing sand's case all game. I am not convinced that town austin would have shared votes like that. And here's his justification for doing it: On October 18 2012 03:32 austinmcc wrote: I had a bunch of votes left. I wanted to get the most out of them that I could. Just putting them on a candidate is nice, but I wanted to DO something with them, make them work for town. I figured sharing them is one way to draw more thoughts/reads out, and to see how people use them. So, I want to give some votes away, and I want to do it in a way that gets information. I'll give out votes in exchange for reads. A town read, a scum read. That's a nice balance, and if I give any votes to scum it forces them to call someone townie, which is kind of nice. D1, as part of this weird system, I don't expect scum to call a scumbuddy townie, because they don't know wtf I'm doing. I figure they'll be less likely to try to manipulate what I'm doing, more likely to have to give some real reads for fear I'm up to something. But I still don't want to give votes to scum. So I need some kind of criteria to determine who I want votes from. Best way to not give votes to scum (from the information I had)? Give em to townreads. You seemed townie, and had been relatively vocal on some players, but you were pretty caught up in the people actually in R3 and R4. By giving votes to you, I forced you to look at a broader scope of players, at the whole game, and make some reads on players who were already safe. kush both looked relatively townie to me and...I want to encourage good posting. I much prefer Looney Lynching kush to Liquid City kush. In part, I gave votes to him to encourage the change in posting. Call it promoting a readable thread, call it promoting a good town atmosphere, whatever. kush was also mostly concerned with R3 and R4, so again, I wanted people to look beyond those rounds and de-theme the game, play like it were more normal and everyone was at play. So I both was trying to get two town reads to look at the broader game, to not limit themselves to just R3 and R4 players (no way did all of our scum make it that far). And I wanted to see what your reads would be AND what you'd do with the votes. That felt like a much better use of my votes than dropping them ALL on a single player, when it was lurker vs. maybe-town-sandroba-who-isn't-doing-much. Neither person was super scummy to me, like I said. So I'd rather make my votes work for town in a different way. Anyone want to weigh in on the vote sharing? | ||
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I don't want VE lynched, for reasons stated here: On October 18 2012 13:38 thrawn2112 wrote: no I don't want to lynch him because I don't like lynching replacements, especially when the replace in with like 24 hours left till lynch. As for your case, I don't think the "not giving potato to prplhz" is a good argument. Reading through his filter at that time it really looked like he had good reasons for not doing so. (He planned on giving prplhz the potato right before the 24 hour mark) Other than that the main stuff everyone (including me) has been citing as suspicious behavior was his lurking... well when he gets a replacement that makes me think he has legitimate real life reasons for his low activity. That does not point to townie or scummy... it just means he didn't have enough time to properly play the game so I can't make any judgement calls based on the fact that he was a lurker. Other than that, the posts he did make were well reasoned etc so I don't see anything damming enough to lynch his replacement. At this point my read on hiro is basically null and it's all going to be based off my read on VE from now on. I don't want hopeless lynched. Based on the logic case about ON vs hopeless, I think hopeless is town. A tldr summary of that case is here: On October 17 2012 21:02 thrawn2112 wrote: that's very interesting i'm going to read through the ON vs hopeless stuff so correct me if i'm getting this wrong but the logic works out to be like this: ON is scum. Sand is town. Scum don't want a scum in the finals. That;s why hopleess was originally set to advance instead of ON. We know this because it was ET who pushed ON into the finals, and ET is town. If hopeless and ON were both scum, then scum should have been bussing ON because he would have been the less detrimental loss. It would have made no sense for scum to push a scum hopeless into finals rather than a scum ON. Therefore the scum plan was to move hopeless (who is town) into the finals? I don't want kush lynched. I'd be quite surprised if he's scum.... both for his hammering of ON and for what I see as an almost identical match between his play this game his town meta. That leaves me with mementoss, djodref, and austin. My instincts all game minus D1 have been telling me that austin is scum... there's just something about the general tone and usefulness of his posts that seems different from the town austin I'm familiar with. Austin's case against mementoss is quite good. However recently mementoss has been townie as hell. I'd like to see more discussion about djo because recently there's been several things pointed out about him, and we've basically been ignoring him all game. In summary I'll be voting for one of the 3 above mentioned players, not sure which yet. I want to lynch memtoss the least out of those 3, and the choice between austin/djo mostly depends on what conclusion I come to about austin's vote sharing because that is a HUGE issue for me. Updated lynch list will prob look something like: 1 Djodref/austin 3 mementoss 4 hiro/ve 5 kushm4sta 6 da0ud 7 hopeless1der 8 thrawn If any of my town reads are going to be lynched I'm going to move myself up higher just so I can move them lower. When making these lists, it's going to be very important in how we rank everybody so we don't accidentally lynch someone we have no intentions of lynching. | ||
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but please tell me why you want to lynch a replacement. the fact that hiro was lurking and got replaced strongly suggests that regardless of his alignment, he truly did not have time to play the game and so his lurking was due to real life issues, and not anything game related. I don't see how you can have anything but a null read on him | ||
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I think he's a mislynch and I advise other people who don't want him lynched to put him as far down in your list as need be. | ||
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On October 14 2012 01:03 Mementoss wrote: Yeah it would, but the hosts don't seem to keen on it so Im not sure. This post, regardless of his alignment, tells us that mementoss was of the opinion that ON is not going to be replaced. In other words, mementoss thought that ON was going to be modkilled. Why as town, would you want to vote for somebody who is going to be modkilled? It serves no purpose, unless you think the opposing candidate is town... which mementoss didn't. So it makes absolutely no sense for town mementoss to vote for ON, if he thinks that Sand is scummy (which he did) and if he thinks ON will be modkilled. Why would scum mementoss want to vote for ON, who he thinks is going to be modkilled? To gain towncred after the flip. Mementoss actually gives a close description of what I'm talking about here: On October 15 2012 20:48 Mementoss wrote: Also, I'm gunna try to shy away from the connection cases with ON. Simply for the fact that ON was the perfect bus target. He was useless, and inactive so was guaranteed to get lynched eventually and gave easy town credibility on any one voting him. It also gives scum a chance who voted him, to shift the attention off themselves by using oh he voted for ON not to move on in this matchup, SCUM SCUM. So yeah, I'll take it into account when reading filters, but I think ON was probably bussed. Here's a recap of what I'm trying to say: Mementoss though sandroba was scummy. Mementoss thought ON was a null read. Mementoss thought ON was going to be modkilled. Mementoss votes for the null read who he thinks will be modkilled, instead of using his vote on the guy he thought was scummy? | ||
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On October 18 2012 21:03 kushm4sta wrote: @thrawn really good job improving your scum play since I called you out on it BTW If you're going to admit to ignoring everything I say then you may as well claim scum... you can't possibly be 100% convinced that I'm scum so either go ahead and claim scum or stop acting like scum kush. + Show Spoiler + And yes your post did serve as a wake up call. I've had kinda a shitty game and I haven't been taking it too seriously, especially after the D1 flip. I think yesterday or so was the first time I've been truly sober since the game's started. | ||
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mementoss, pretend that you are an outside observer of this game. pretend that you think mementoss is confirmed scum. who do you think his scum buddy would be? | ||
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Kush also didn't do jack shit during D2. He just made a post every now and then letting us know the game was won and we should lynch prplhz/da0. My read of him in D3 is that he is being dumber than what I expect from him and he's being more of an asshole which are both qualities of scum kush. I know it's a shitty time to bring up a kush case but I have the feeling that a lot of people (including me) haven't actually read kush's filter because they've just written him off as town because of meta reasons. | ||
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On October 18 2012 23:43 austinmcc wrote: I'm kind of confused about this here. These are two names that jump out at you? There are legitimate reasons you could connect them. VE defends mementoss hard when popping into thread VE likes mementoss's case on djoref And probably other things you could find if you went deeper, that's just the last couple pages. But you're proposing them as a scumteam because they jump out at you? What exactly does that mean? sorry but i'm saving that thought for later. can't really elaborate on it too much unless certain flips happen that would confirm/deny some of my assumptions On October 18 2012 23:44 Mementoss wrote: I already mentioned this. But then I thought as scum why would he change his mind about me after re-read and defend me and then take up a case on you without any support. Also, I can't wrap my mind around that d0ad list. It looks so ass backwards. While reading this post I kinda got the feeling you wanna lynch into kush/djo for the hopeless ro3 shenanigans? it kinda brings me back to this post: On October 17 2012 21:18 thrawn2112 wrote: Ok right now I consider the following 100% true, I don't see any loopholes. One of the following statements MUST BE TRUE. A) there is scum among kush/djo B) town hopeless took the lead against ON on accident without scum interference C) if hopeless is scum then for some reason scum decided they'd rather have hopeless in the finals instead on ON To tell the truth I haven't actually ever tried to read through kush's filter until just a few moments ago. I've assumed he was town all game because of meta reasons and the last time I did that he ended up being scum. Right now I'm not of the opinion that I want to lynch him but that he's not as townie as I thought so I'm going to go through his filter and I suggest everyone do the same, especially if they've, like me, been putting it off all game because of town meta reads. | ||
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D1 was pretty stupid because all we learned was that ON is scum and hopeless is prob town, and D2 was spent going "lolz prp/da0 are last two scum." So we haven't exactly had the most pro-town atmosphere in which to make solid reads. | ||
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lol as a side note, in a previous game I made a similar logic case in which I listed 4 options, determined which was most likely to be true, ending up with the conclusion that kush was scum. I ignored/forgot about that case and guess what kush ended up being scum @mem OK time to really look at that stuff logically: On October 17 2012 21:18 thrawn2112 wrote: Ok right now I consider the following 100% true, I don't see any loopholes. One of the following statements MUST BE TRUE. A) there is scum among kush/djo B) town hopeless took the lead against ON on accident without scum interference C) if hopeless is scum then for some reason scum decided they'd rather have hopeless in the finals instead on ON I think option C is the dumbest option out of all of them. I'd even go so far as to say it's near impossible. So it comes down to option B or option A. This is somewhat of a subjective call but I'd hesitatingly say that option B isn't likely. Other than the final MU, hope vs ON had the highest total vote count and to me that suggests scummy shit going on especially knowing that ON is scum. Which leaves me with A as most likely. Does everyone agree? | ||
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On October 19 2012 00:01 Djodref wrote: I'm going to bed, I'll be here for the deadline. I'm quite sure that ON has been bussed. Please have a look at Hiro's filter and imagine him with the intent of bussing ON. You guys are putting too much importance on the matchup Hopeless/ON. It could have just been a town/town fight for all we know. I strongly disagree with this and therefore I am suspicious of your motives behind making this post.... | ||
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On October 19 2012 02:02 kushm4sta wrote: What the fuck is this shit I'm reading?? I have a lot of things to address. First: Thrawn you were scum in LC right? It's over now. ? wtf no I wasn't what does that have to do with anything | ||
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On October 19 2012 02:04 austinmcc wrote: I want to lynch one of those two. There were scummy things in Djo's filter (Hiro and I were concerned with part of his opening post, + more recent stuff), but for some reason I had a gut feeling he was town. As in, there were more scummy things in Djo's filter than kush's filter, as I read them, but I just wasn't reading Djo as scum despite the scummy bits. The NK stuff is enough, however, to push me over the top on Djo and not go with gut here. So it's ... not MOST of the reason Djo is scummy, but it's this trigger that moves me from "done some scummy stuff but town" to "okay, maybe scummy stuff = scum when you factor in this other thing." Again, looking at kush's play this game a little closer, and will check to see whether he's so bus-happy (actually, he and someone "bussed" more or less on the next-to-last day of GSL Open 2 iirc). I know his response to my offering votes was not as robust as yours, and was a little silly/dumb, but apart from that I haven't been watching him closely. I mentioned it earlier, kush will bus like a mo-fo. Check his filter in xxvii. He and jacob were scum that game and they did nothing but bus each other for like half the game. But would kush bus to the point of being the one whose votes causes the lynch? I'm not sure about that because I've never seen him have the opportunity to do it. Also I'm not buying your reasoning behind the nk stuff. Nk speculation is just such a weak thing to base a case off of. 1 because you don't actually know why mafia does stuff and 2 mafia often does stuff just to confuse you. Also you say that sandroba's alignment was still in question after the D1 lynch... I don't agree with that at all basically everyone thought he was town after that. So if you want to make a convincing case on djo.... leave the nk stuff out of it. | ||
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On October 19 2012 02:19 Mementoss wrote: I dont understand what the NK speculation is against Djo: If anything its against da0d because both that died said lynch da0d. Or against me because as austin mentioned they said I was slightly scummy to them. Austin is saying this: Sandroba was still suspicious after D1, and was therefore killed for a reason that isn't being confirmed town. So the reason is that he was killed because scum is scared of his abilities. So Austin is referring to a post djo made where djo said he went and read some of sand's other games.... and that means that djo is the scum that was scarred of sand. I think it's a pretty dumb idea for a couple reasons. A) The vibe I was getting from the thread was that sand was pretty close to confirmed town, if not the closest thing we had to that. B) The fact that sand is a vet was something that was made known to everyone in the thread because people talked about it constantly when we were debating whether to lynch sand or not. So EVERYONE that was reading the thread would have known that sand is supposed to be really good. Not sure if town austin is making a very bad point or if scum austin is engineering a point out of nothing. | ||
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On October 19 2012 02:31 kushm4sta wrote: Tell me the argument because I think i know it. Either djo or me had to be scum because we were both defending ON and pissed when ET pushed him through? Other than the finals, ON vs Hopeless was the most contested matchup in D1. Up until the confirmed town pushed ON through, hopeless was set to advance. Hopeless can't be scum because out of the two, it makes more sense for mafia to buss ON than to bus hopeless. All those things strongly suggest that mafia was trying to push hopeless into the finals instead of ON. | ||
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On October 19 2012 02:44 kushm4sta wrote: Thrawn I don't want to be the victim of more of your ad hominem attacks, and I'm not trying to level any at you when I say this. But that reasoning up there is absolutely, 100% retarded. There was town motivation for voting for 1der over ON. Maybe scum didn't have to vote 1der because town was already doing it. If djo drops a bunch of votes down, then I say that I'm gonna vote bomb 1der through, why would scum risk also voting for 1der? This is probably the weakest part of that argument, but I still think it makes sense because of how the matchup had the most votes out of all the MU's other than the finals. And yes... hopeless did some stuff that looked scummy. But I felt that by the end of the round it was clear that ON should have passed instead of hopeless.... like how could anyone not want to put a guy with no posts (ON) into the finals when hopeless had a reasonable town explanation for his actions? On October 19 2012 02:44 kushm4sta wrote: It makes more sense to bus 1der than ON? No I don't think so. ON was totally afk. Why wouldn't scum want to bus him? If he's going to get modkilled from inactivity, a bus is win-win. Yes that's what I'm saying. You misread. It makes more sense to bus ON, thus hopeless being in the lead until the ET votebomb wouldn't make sense if hopeless is scum On October 19 2012 02:44 kushm4sta wrote: I think you are scum because this seriously sounds like some bullshit made up reasoning that you are endorsing. Do you forget that YOU voted for sandroba in the beginning of the day. Austin voted for no one and was going to give his votes to you are me, (two people that wanted to vote sandroba, hmm). You switched off sandroba mid day, but it was essentially a bus with no consequence because 1) he was afk and 2) he still had enough votes to get lynched at that time. Kush go read my posts during r4. Does that look like someone who is bussing or like someone who slowly loses confidence in their vote and is willing to talk to anyone to figure it out? | ||
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On October 19 2012 03:01 kushm4sta wrote: thrawn it looks scum trying to be convincing about changing his mind. I see Austin is your top vote. Why aren't you helping me get him lynched? You are barely even talking about him. bleh read my above post those are my thoughts about this game right now. I'm going to sleep and I'll be back a couple hours before lynch. | ||
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On October 19 2012 03:01 kushm4sta wrote: thrawn it looks scum trying to be convincing about changing his mind. I see Austin is your top vote. Why aren't you helping me get him lynched? You are barely even talking about him. wow I see you responded to that question in like 4 minutes did you really go and read my filter in that time? | ||
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On October 19 2012 04:48 austinmcc wrote: VE, if you're around let me/us know. Dunno if you're still busy, but I need to both change your mind if you haven't changed it and then pick your brain. so this means you have a really strong town read on him right? | ||
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idk i'm watching dexter episodes when i want to be sleeping. Concerning austin, I've had suspicions of him for a lot of the game and some stuff VE said about him was pretty convincing. Currently I think his djo vote is pretty silly... the nk stuff incriminating djo as scum just makes no sense at all has has no basis on what's actually happened in the thread and it feels like a "made up" case or whatever you want to call it. Also he's made this case against you but it doesn't really look like a case.. there is no real conclusion or anything and I don't get what he's trying to say... I'm guessing that he thinks you're scum.. but it feels like he kinda left the question hanging. also there's the D1 vote sharing. his justifications for doing it were good, but I just don't see how he could have arrived at the point to do it in the first place. He only spent 1 vote until the finals, then used 3 out of his 9 votes for a candidate which, at the time he voted, needed a shit ton of votes to get lynched. Looks like hiding. It just doesn't seem like something a town player would do. the whole deal does strikes me as "guys i'm not gonna take a stance on anything, here i'm gonna let you use my votes because i'm so town" | ||
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On October 19 2012 04:59 austinmcc wrote: Actually I guess same request to mementoss too. Let's see how this goes. Mementoss you talked some about kush/djo earlier today, haven't heard anything from VE, but wondering about your current thoughts re: kush/djo. Since I'm asking, I'll note that I like kush over djo at the moment. That D1 really concerns me, and while I can't untangle the mess of connections and cases and suspicions that is thrawn/kush/djo right now, I'm thinking that if mementoss isn't scum then we've got 2 in that bunch. But thrawn is a side matter for me right now, and I'm more focused on djo/kush. lol i'm feeling the same way. i've got these somewhat mutually exclusive ideas where either you're scum, there's 1 or more scum among kush/djo, or mem/hiro are scum. hence my clusterfuck of suspicions lately | ||
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On October 19 2012 05:27 kushm4sta wrote: You just seem completely 100% baffled. qft. fucking lynch mechanics... everything is so much easier to read when it's a simple majority/plurality lynch. this whole game i feel like people haven't been talking about scumreads, adn they've been arguing over who is scummier out of small groups of people In retrospect, we should have talked about voting policy a lot more than we did. I think somebody mentioned it, but we should have figured out a way to turn every lynch into some sort of majority rules type of thing. I suggest something like that for the next voting system if it's not some fucked potato thing. | ||
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On October 19 2012 05:41 austinmcc wrote: I don't want to claim the particular role, because reasons. I'm also probably being dumb about this, but oh well. That still seems to be my MO concerning blue roles. are the reasons that you don't want to be counterclaimed? | ||
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On October 19 2012 06:46 kushm4sta wrote: It's you, sorry. After you it's hopeless1der or daoud. Didn't you just say da0ud shouldn't be lynched? And why do you think hopeless is scum... I'm just wtf on that one "I implore you, reconsider what you think is scumminess might just and probably is newbness. Can you see a newb acting how daoud is acting? I can." And I can't remember you ever wanting to lynch hopeless | ||
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On October 19 2012 07:14 thrawn2112 wrote: WHY THE FUCK ARE WE LYNCHING DAOUD goddammit lol nobody is pushing his case... he just happens to be high enough in everyone's list. | ||
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On October 19 2012 07:17 kushm4sta wrote: Why the fuck are only three people here less than an hour to lynch... we've been the only 3 people in the thread basically all day VE where you at | ||
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On October 19 2012 07:38 Djodref wrote: Kush ? What happened during the night ? LOL | ||
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On October 19 2012 07:53 austinmcc wrote: The flip would speak for itself. You'd immediately know why I'm doing this. lol when he flips red | ||
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On October 19 2012 08:09 Mementoss wrote: you guys are really smart. thanks for listening to me. goes for wings and beer and comes back to fail. This answers nothing. if you're town then stfu for being afk till like 10 minutes before lynch | ||
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whatever dude alright i'm going to sleep... it's like 6 hours overdue or something | ||
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On October 19 2012 09:32 Mementoss wrote: I want a fucking explanation maybe if you use nice words or maybe you could just read anything I've written about da0 lately and figure out why I did it | ||
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actually I think I really want to lynch VE | ||
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On October 20 2012 08:32 Hopeless1der wrote: Uhh...perhaps because MMT would have tunneled you with all his might and NOW you get to WIFOM his case. Honestly I'm past point of caring. Hopefully that'll change one I get Internet back | ||
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anyways I have real internet again so I'll try and bust out some amazing case before deadline but eh.. my motivation to win this game has fallen off a cliff in the last couple of days | ||
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On October 22 2012 00:58 Hopeless1der wrote: He's saying pardoner scum should have pardoned his teammate instead of a townie. To your earlier question, if thrawn flips scum I'm probably going after da0ud. no the game will be over lol don't waste time thinking about it | ||
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On October 22 2012 00:52 kushm4sta wrote: I think you and daoud are scum. I've been looking at your interactions and they look like fake buses. I'm curious what are your thoughts on daoud? Right now I'm most confident about you + djo being town. It's not a read based on any research, it's just a complete intuition read that I feel strongly about. So that leaves ve, hopeless, and da0. Not much more point talking about how scummy VE is. Hopeless... idk. That case mementoss wrote up was extremely convincing and I'm still inclined to think hope is town because of it. I'm just a little bit worried about him though because he's been in the background ever since his "I was acting scummy on purpose plan." But those are the kinds of things that townies do, I did it in the first 24 hours of gsl II. So that leaves da0 doesn't it? If he were a player who had played at least 1 game before I would read him as super scummy. There's also sand who had a scum read on him the entire time sand was in the game. Sand also somehow pegged ON so I really want to trust his judgement. But I keep thinking da0 is town because some of his posts show a healthy level of townie paranoia... any time further spent reading his filter just makes me more conflicted. But just based off of his play in D3-D4, I would probably all him scum. He hasn't really done anything and has mostly, especially D4, only contributed to discussion to off topic issues. I don't really care enough to spend a whole lot of time on it though tbh summary: i won't lynch kush/djo, if hopeless is scum then just fuck all of us there is no hope, so that leaves da0 as the only person I'll vote for. kinda pissed though because I really want to lynch VE gg scum | ||
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I voted da0, I'll check in on the thread to see if there are any new developments but barring none this is probably it for me gg see all you after endgame | ||
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On October 22 2012 01:32 kushm4sta wrote: Yes but thrawn's lynch today is pretty inevitable no matter what the odds. Scum is thinking about tomorrow with that pardon. and see that sad part is I know that nobody even put effort into it. I'm specifically calling out djo, da0, ve, and hopeless. nobody left in the game thought I was scummy or said why except for you. mementos wrote up that big case against saying "if I die lynch thrawn" .... then mafia kills mementoss... just amazes me that you guys can't see what's going on kush do you remember our last newbie... where town decided to lynch me before the day cycle had even started and how easily it went down? saaaame shit | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + why am i scum? the only points brought up against me are that I was suspicious of everyone.... well no shit that's how this fukinb game works. sorry if i'm not willing to go "OMG GIVE PRP/DA0 POTATO" and sit back doing nothing. sorry that I was willing to discuss every possibility during D3. i should take notes from hopeless who just sits in the background doing nothing even though he's seen as "confirmed town." I apologize for my terrible play, next game I will not scumhunt or share my thoughts at all so do me the courtesy I've been doing you all game long by sharing your thoughts with me if you are voting for me because we need a consolidation... well omg we are in mylo more thought needs to be put into this if you are voting me because mementoss said "lynch thrawn if i die" then good job playing into mafia's hands. if you are voting me because everyone else is, then you're either scum, or you're being extra stupid and you need to remove your vote | ||
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basically you guys are like "thrawn was suspipcious of this guy, and that guy, and these other guys, all at once!" yes, i have a huge filter and i've been very open with my thought process at every step of the game. i apologize for that please enlighten me as to how that makes me scum | ||
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On October 22 2012 02:07 kushm4sta wrote: @thrawn in our last newbie you were sk and I was scum. I will be very surprised if you aren't scum. This would be the worst town performance I've ever seen out of you. I look forward talking to in postgame. Also you should join ponies. what does this post mean? do you think (or know) i'm town? and i joined ponies. hopefully will finish the series before it starts | ||
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are you saying you think/know i'm town because if so ur scum | ||
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well, same thing is going on except we're in mylo + Show Spoiler + | ||
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obviously nobody cares enough to discuss things during mylo GG | ||
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d2 doesn't count for too much, but i was being more proactive than oh lets say, kush, who only seemed to know how to type "gg prplhz/da0" and kush, even if those examples aren't good enough for you... are you seriously saying that makes me scummy enough to lynch in mylo? because I wasn't as aggressive as I normally am? for this lynch I was really planning on pushing VE... but either mods or some crazy power role cockblocked me on that one kush what do you want to talk about? you should start watching mlp in preparation for that game. i'm currently on ep 8. hurry you might be able to catch up and we can watch them together | ||
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and why is it suddenly ok to sheep dead players? for example we have ignored sandroba's last words all game.... i guess everyone has run out of steam and are all too lazy to produce any original thoughts so if you don't want to talk about why i'm scum then at least talk about why it's such a good idea, during mylo, to just sheep the nk target and halt all discussion? like holy shit, some of you haven't even said who you're voting for | ||
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same bullshit as yesterday nobody willing to discuss lynch until 10 minut4s before it happens. shame shame shame! | ||
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On October 22 2012 06:01 kushm4sta wrote: If you are town, then you have playing really scumlike this game. You would definitely lynch yourself admit it. ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS will anyone vote kush with me? "if ur town ur playing like scum" who the fuck says that during mylo? | ||
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On October 22 2012 06:12 kushm4sta wrote: OMGOMG YES I'M SRS!! Of course there is the possibility that you are town. There is always that possibility, even with your best hunches (i learned that twice this game lol) But you are definitely out best lynch with the highest liklihood of flipping scum. i'm sorry but the case against me looks like shit reasoning to lynch someone during mylo i cant see how i'm getting lynched like... nobody has even discussed my lynch... it's just kinda happened. hell i might not even be lynched people aren't even saying who they're voting for | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + so many angry words i don't want to spew onto the thread but holy fuck guys. you're all just sheeping... won't even tell me why i'm scum, fuck you won't even tell me if you're voting for me | ||
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wait it happened to me 2 games ago nvm, tied for dumbest i guess | ||
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On October 22 2012 07:19 Djodref wrote: Because VE also doesnt care i'd prefer da0 over hopeless... his "scummy on purpose" thing is believable, i even did it to some extent my last game | ||
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or anyone. i'll consolidate on to anyone at this point because a random lynch is better than 100% chance that i'll flip town and we lose the game but vote da0 | ||
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+ mafia: kills mementoss = thrawn gets lynched? shame on mafia for thinking town would be that silly and shame on town for being that silly | ||
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like fuck you wouldn't even tell me why you thought i was scum time for me to shut up, i feel like mafia must be laughing at me in the qt | ||
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djo go kick some ass in the newbie lol | ||
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(still shouldn't have gotten lynched just for that tho) | ||
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if we would have mislynched at least we would have gotten better reads on people | ||
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i was completely prepared to save him but he said that his vote sharing was part of a plan to attract a mafia nk and I thought that was the most ridiculous thing i'd ever heard | ||
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On October 22 2012 08:12 Djodref wrote: gg guys, I was happy to play with you, it was a fun game ^^ Also thank you thrawn for the meta warning, I've started to put smileys everywhere after that I was not sure how to play it during D1 but after that I found my "story" and I stuck to it lol at one point in the game i went through your newbie filter and counted smilies per page and it came to almost exactly what you were doing in this game | ||
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(guys i'm always town, remember that) | ||
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On October 19 2012 08:46 thrawn2112 wrote: i say we lynch djod then probably VE lol 45 min after night post but to be fair, with my filter there is bound to be a post where I get it right my problem this game was that I was in various states of intoxication all game long, and I couldn't remember my suspicions from one high to the next | ||
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On October 22 2012 09:47 Mementoss wrote: man honestly you looked town but I couldn't understand why you didn't try to lynch or do anything with your suspicions other than state them and change them the same day lol. I guess I would say play more focused and confident. Also I was drinking for a majority of this game as well. what kush said about my meta is true... normally i am more focused/coherent/whatever. this game i honestly didn't have a good idea of what was going on therefore i didn't really have any lynches I wanted to push. it was like i was pretending to be town or something, i'm not exactly sure what happened. | ||
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so i'd been suspicious of austin all game. i had planned on looking into his filter and pushing for his lynch during day3. there were like 5 people i thought about lynching at various times. austin, da0, djo, kush, and mementoss. but then a few things happened that just completely fucked up my thought process: austin, who had been tunneling mementoss, backed off that case and started pushing kush mementoss who had agreed with me about austin, backed off that case and pushed djo or someone else i think? not sure da0 made a bunch of really townie looking posts at some point that made me not want to lynch him kush was just tunneling me the whole time so during d3, basically all my scumreads had huge changes of heart..... which just led to even more fucking confusion for me. so we arrive at a point where i no longer thought any of them had a good chance of flipping scum... and at that point I truly didn't have a scumread. then kush starts tunneling the shit out of me and he's demanding a scumread.... which I didn't have. so i just got lazy and decided "well i've been suspicious of austin all game long, that'll look consistent" and I joinied the austin bandwagon. then his claim came out and the manner in whihc he did it and his explanations for it seemed crazy, so i lynched him but yeah, there actually wasn't anyone i wanted to lynch d3. like nobody at all. and all the while kush was yelling at me demanding scumreads... it was frustrating lol. early on in d3 I knew I was gonna be lynched during d4. I should have just completely sobered up, not posted for a long time, and only re-entered the thread once I had something useful to say | ||
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anyways it didnt help that kush and i were the only ones willing to talk to you that entire day | ||
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On October 15 2012 23:51 Mementoss wrote: Nice we have the same hunch. I will try to put something cohesive together after work. Read this if your interested in scum austin: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=372174 at that time my suspicions of austin were so incredibly small and even I considered them to be a little crazy... and you posted this at a time when you were already a few people's scumreads. i read that post over and over trying to decide if if felt genuine or not... i just thought it was crazy that you would happen to have the same hunch I did, and it happened at a convenient time if you were scum. so basically after that post i was scared to trust you the rest of the game | ||
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