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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
On October 10 2012 07:19 gonzaw wrote: For instance: Imagine there are the actions done on you at night: -Medic saves you -Scum use a KP on you If you redirect the medic save onto someone else...does the scum KP kill you? it should yea. I don't think your tracking is reliable btw (your n1 doesn't make sense). | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
If what austin tells me is true, then my report could have been anything in the world and we couldn't confirm it (since austin doesn't know who he visits). I thought Nisani was framed....since that's a very specific way my report failed. It showed Nisani visiting a dead guy, that's an incriminatory report, hence it being result of a framer. ghost's report wasn't incriminatory at all (you didn't claim you were shot for instance), so why would it be the same ability? I.e if Nisani's report was deliberately changed so it would incriminate him, then my 2nd check wasn't. Either only the 1st report was "framed" or what was used on me was a "report randomizer" and on N1 it coincidentally showed Nisani visiting Mementos | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
If all my reports are incriminating it doesn't really make sense since ghost/austin visiting Hiro isn't incriminating at all (Hiro never claimed he was hit or RBed or anything). That's not being "insane" (I also never saw an "insane tracker" before). Either the 1st one was the incriminating one (in which case it's most likely because someone, possibly scum, used an ability on me), or they are all random (not incriminatory or anything). Either Nisani was framed I think (a tracker framer...which is odd), or maybe Nisani did visit Mementos but didn't save him and didn't notice for some reason? | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
If both tell the truth, then a random ability used on Hiro on N2 was used on Keiarthi. If my report on ghost is correct, that means whatever ghost did he did it on Keirathi. There are also some things we can discard. For instance Xfire was never visited so his role has nothing to do with anything in the game (this is because he never used his KP which he would have, and this is because the player list wasn't shifted 1 place down on N1...right? >_>) I still don't know what happened with Mementos' jail. Unless someone claims I have to either assume it was used on scum or he didn't do it at all. Nah, there are too many variables to try an make any sensible time-line of night actions, specially since almost all night actions claimed are defensive and not pro-active, other than Draz' shot on S&B (which was already addressed). Also lol, since S&B targeted Keirathi on N2, and Matt bussed me on N2...then I was protected by medics on both N1 and N2 lololol. Also we can safely assume that the swap role is either from ghost or from scum. No portal powers were claimed though, so does that prove that either austin is lying or ghost or scum have the power to make portals? Again the portals may have to do with the player swap....but then again what about Chell/Matt? Wouldn't he be the one able to use portals? If my report is correct though...it makes more sense the player swap is a scum role though, since ghost swapping himself with Hiro by visiting Keirathi doesn't make sense (unless Matt is lying about bussing Hiro+Kei). So, let's try and make some conclusions Assuming that to perform an ability that targets a player it is necessary to visit that player, and assuming Matt bussed Kei+Hiro in N2, and assuming my report on ghost from N2 is correct, then ghost can't possibly be responsible for the player swapping of himself and Hiro on N2. Nobody else claimed doing so, and only scum would have the need to hide that info. Therefore the player swapping was made by one scum and his power, and this scum is not Hiro. Considering Xfire's role had to do with roleSwapping but GlaDOS didn't...maybe we could assume this was the work of BS and not RS? In which case BS swapped players and ghost is not BS. If we assume this, and specially the part where my N2 report on ghost is correct, it means ghost is town (again, if the player swapping was made by BS). It's still possible ghost is BS and the player swap was made by the remaining RS. Hmm, just in case ##Unvote What can we conclude from this? One of these: 1)The player swapping was made by one scum and his power, and this scum is not ghost. 2)It is possible to target a player without visiting him 3)Mattchew is lying about bussing Keirathi and Hiro on N2 4)My N2 report on ghost is incorrect 1)Basically means that list swap is a scum power and this scum is not ghost. And again ghost is not RS so ghost would most likely be town 2)I don't think this is possible, even for scum powers. If a scum power is "swap the positions of player Y and player X" then I believe he visits both players. Just as if I track Matt he'd visit the guys he busses, or how if someone tracked me they'd see me tracking my tracked guy. Hmm, might as well ask Greymist and see if this is true 3)Then Matt is scum, easy 4)It's possible, but then fuck my role is useless  If this is the case I still don't know if it's something that only has to do with my role, or if my targets are always framed (or from your POV I could be scum lying).Hmm, other than maybe Keirathi not being in the rat den because of austin's claim...I don't really know what other thing to conclude. We can do this I guess: Assuming my N1 and N2 checks are correct, neither ghost nor austin can be RS Can't really conclude anything with Kei's and S&B's saves since they didn't really save anybody. Kei, S&B, can you guys make a list of all the guys you targeted in this game? I'm missing some of them and can't find them. | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
me = gonzaw night1, S&B night2, Hiro night3 | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
Matt, does your role say you bus with portals or anything like that? Or completely nondescript about the mechanicsm by which you bus. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
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Keirathi
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
Since things are a little dead, I've been looking at ghost more. One odd thing is his final post (~48 hours ago) On October 07 2012 11:31 ghost_403 wrote: Now, to the kitchen! I know there was a core in Portal 2 that spouted a cake recipe, the intelligence core. Thought it might be a possible breadcrumb, although it doesn't prove his role and it doesn't say what his role is. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
It seems more likely though that it actually did change. If matt were to lie about anything, player positions feels like it would be ... not the right choice? Anyone who was keeping track could call him out, anyone who's been lying and trying to draw out fake bus claims could catch him, etc. Unless we have some actions that prove a lie there, I'm more inclined to assume that the busses he's claiming are the ones he sent in. | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On October 04 2012 04:54 ghost_403 wrote: \o\ Pictured above: ghost_403 running around with his hair on fire, which is incidentally what he's been doing for the last two days. Should be around later tonight to actually play some mafia. brb Now, from iamperfection's role PM: "(3) Light Bridge: You place a light bridge in the test chamber, giving the illusion that the test will be easier to solve. The subject will not be told they were roleblocked this night." And now, here's where it gets interesting: ghost seems to be claiming that he was roleblocked night 1? But, obviously he couldn't have been roleblocked by GlaDOS because GlaDOS was dead. And lightbridge wouldn't have given him a roleblock notification anyways. Maybe ghost is claiming that he's in the Rat's Nest, though? | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
It almost feels like it had to have been serving some specific purpose. There are 3 things he said that seem weird and don't fit with basically any of the rest of his comments: 1) Hair on Fire 2) 8s look like 3s when you're hungry 3) Now to the kitchen! Like, they all feel like breadcrumbs to me, but what is he crumbing? | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
What is our swapper/bus driver doing? Swapped hiropro and ghost last night. Bus driver trying to save one of them in particular? Bus driver knows where rat nest is and swapped one into it? Not sure if bus driver claiming would help, but if it's the rat nest then ... he probably needs to stay quiet and play tonight like he's a JK, swapping someone in there. It also reminds me that mementoss was scummy on me, wavering on gonzaw (ended up town) crossfire scummy on drazerk and one of JH/gonzaw Based on it reminding me about those NKs, I wrote that out on D3 as some stuff to look at. Which means the hiro/ghost swap was N2 like I've been thinking. | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
Anyways why do you guys even bother breadcrumbing your role? Just don't breadcrumb anything and claim you are an anti-town traitor. You'll be instantly considered confirmed town.... ...although seriously I didn't think everybody would believe my claim >_> I guess I didn't really got my hopes up with you guys :/ Anyways...yeah I think we should have paid more attention to the player list Dammit austin! That was YOUR job!!! > : ( (lol jk  )Meh...this game is so weird, it feels like if there were no remaining scum or something. I guess we can NL today and maybe use our abilities (mine and Matt's for instance) to determine the veracity of other people's claims? | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
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