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So, I'll admit to not looking at people's meta when I call them town like that. I'll go back and look at mad men and any newbie games I can find where he was scum, but I don't think anyone could keep playing scum like this and make it some kind of scum meta. Heck, I basically did what you're saying in Bureaucracy, but as a town power role --> go paranoid early, tank all credibility, plan to survive until lategame and catch people with my role. Being "good ol' crazy town ANYONE" isn't necessarily scummy.
I just...if he wants to create chaos why doesn't he keep it up? I'd think creating chaos AND getting called 100% town for it by someone would egg you on to do more.
Instead, he's fallen back into what I recognize as town JH's pattern, based only on PTP3. His constant pushing on you this game feels like his constant pushing on Grush in that game. Pop in start of the day, vote, dip out. There are some differences in other areas, but I'm thinking those are improvements to some flaws rather than him playing differently because he's a different alignment this game.
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Yeah maybe. But again we are running out of suspects.
I'll wait to see what he does when he comes back. If he's scum I'm sure he'll post something funny once he sees my claim.
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Hey Hiro, which of these claims do you think is fake? Which one do you believe? How do they relate with the previous reads you had on everybody?
I think your claim is real. It kinda explains why you've been playing strange - you were hedging your bets in case of a red scum win. And I frankly don't see a mafia player making the claim that you did - revealing that you have a wincon in which you can win with scum pretty much makes you a lynch candidate down the road and it's not something a mafia player would do.
Since your role mentions Chell (and I don't see Chell being a mafia role), Mattchew is probably also town. Unless ghost ccs lol.
austin's claim needs someone who can make portals, so if no one claims that he's scum. The fact that he made a claim like that though probably means he's town - scum don't make claims like that where they depend on someone else to support them (unless they have a teammate to do it, but no one's stepped up like that, so no teammate and probably not 3 people on a scum team).
Not sure about JingleHell. His claim could be real, I have no real way of telling. But it doesn't reveal any real information and it whether it's real or not doesn't really say anything about whether he is town or scum.
There really aren't very many people left who can really be scum tbh. Just austin, ghost, and Jingle. Well I guess you could be too and Chell could just be someone who you need to kill to gain powers or something, but I don't think it's likely at this point.
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On October 10 2012 12:06 austinmcc wrote:
Being "good ol' crazy town ANYONE" isn't necessarily scummy.
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My point is that if he's scum he could act batshit crazy to stir off suspicion of iamperfection but have everybody ignore it since he'd act like that as town
However I've read some of his previous games (PTP3 for instance) so I can see him doing that as town as well.
Which is why I didn't really pay attention to it. It did give me more townie vibes than scummy vibes since it didn't really seem to push a scum agenda and if it did it was so obvious it wouldn't have worked at all.
I just...if he wants to create chaos why doesn't he keep it up? I'd think creating chaos AND getting called 100% town for it by someone would egg you on to do more.
One reason would be preservation like Keirathi said before.
If he's the sole remaining RS, who would benefit from the chaos he created if it gets him lynched? Black Mesa would benefit, that's it.
If he's the sole remaining RS it would make sense to just keep up whatever he's doing with me to "hide" in plain sight without having to do anything important all game (just accuse me, start a shitstorm with me every now and then, vote me and be desinterested of the rest of the game).
Well...if I put it like that it seems like he's super scummy...again the thing is that some of his posts and reasonings seemed genuine, and again he seemed to go against me because he genuinely thought I was scum rather than go against me to justify his vote/activity (at first, on N1-D2).
Instead, he's fallen back into what I recognize as town JH's pattern, based only on PTP3. His constant pushing on you this game feels like his constant pushing on Grush in that game. Pop in start of the day, vote, dip out. There are some differences in other areas, but I'm thinking those are improvements to some flaws rather than him playing differently because he's a different alignment this game.
Could be...or maybe not. I have no idea.
Oh, one more thing:
If JingleHell is scum this game I'm going to policy lynch or tunnel the hell out of everybody that tunnels me for more than 2 cycles without properly explaining themselves.
If he's scum no more "damn he could just be bad town" from me. Scum doing that to me pisses me off (specially when it works) since I feel they are taking advantage of me.
Townies doing that to me pisses me off as well because I can't realize if they are scum taking advantage of me (and also because of the whole in-game stuff).
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On October 10 2012 12:26 HiroPro wrote:Show nested quote +Hey Hiro, which of these claims do you think is fake? Which one do you believe? How do they relate with the previous reads you had on everybody? I think your claim is real. It kinda explains why you've been playing strange - you were hedging your bets in case of a red scum win. And I frankly don't see a mafia player making the claim that you did - revealing that you have a wincon in which you can win with scum pretty much makes you a lynch candidate down the road and it's not something a mafia player would do. Since your role mentions Chell (and I don't see Chell being a mafia role), Mattchew is probably also town. Unless ghost ccs lol. austin's claim needs someone who can make portals, so if no one claims that he's scum. The fact that he made a claim like that though probably means he's town - scum don't make claims like that where they depend on someone else to support them (unless they have a teammate to do it, but no one's stepped up like that, so no teammate and probably not 3 people on a scum team). Not sure about JingleHell. His claim could be real, I have no real way of telling. But it doesn't reveal any real information and it whether it's real or not doesn't really say anything about whether he is town or scum. There really aren't very many people left who can really be scum tbh. Just austin, ghost, and Jingle. Well I guess you could be too and Chell could just be someone who you need to kill to gain powers or something, but I don't think it's likely at this point.
Accuse someone. Anyone, come on.
Go go go go go
Take a stance, even if it's a stupid one without evidence like my "Jingle is a RS Framer" one.
Remember there are at least 2 scum left, even if you take a dice to determine who's scum you can't be that wrong and may actually get it right.
Or maybe you are BS? Meh.
Jingle and Hiro could make sense I think. Again substitute ghost with any of them if it's possible, and that could also make sense
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One thing I failed to mention is that I think maybe the BS could have claimed his real role (if RS is a framer like I'm stupidly speculating).
Hiro could be BS and be a "re-director" (with more anti-town abilities I suppose as well). Mattchew could be BS and be a bus driver; Jingle could be BS and be that "super-hider" like some people argued about, and ghost could be BS and...whatever the hell he will claim (austin too. bla bla bla).
The thing is that I think the BS could have claimed his own abilities or part of them and just fake-claim his role name; while I think the RS may need to completely fake his claim (from abilities and all).
Mostly because I don't see a RS with any of the abilities that were already claimed (maybe again except Matt's bus driver one).
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I'd say jingle as red scum and ghost as black scum. Depends on if anyone else claims portals though and what ghost's claim is.
Elimination is fun lol.
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I've never actually been able to completely go through on elimination before, but this game I actually think I can lol.
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On October 10 2012 12:26 HiroPro wrote:
austin's claim needs someone who can make portals, so if no one claims that he's scum.
Portals can be a scum ability. If so it's possible they won't claim it (because if may incriminate him..and also to incriminate austin like you said yourself).
Portals are most likely the list swap thing, which like I said is most likely from scum
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hm, I didn't think about that T_T
Probably still makes it likely for him to be town, though.
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I'll be honest, this game went from fun to boring the minute we started trying to solve it rather than play it.
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Okay let's try this
##Vote: JingleHell
I think I convinced myself with that "devils advocate" thing I wrote above lol.
Also it's the only way I can make sense of the Nisani check and in my head that theory I made makes sense.
At least until he and ghost come back.
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On October 10 2012 12:48 Keirathi wrote:
I'll be honest, this game went from fun to boring the minute we started trying to solve it rather than play it.
This game would have been boring (to me) and pretty shitty if I hadn't claimed and everybody bandwagoned against me today and unanimously got me lynched and then town lost.
Also with S&B/Matt/ghost/Jingle/Hiro barely active most of the time this game has been me+you+austin arguing ever since D3 basically. Unless you had fun doing that 
I intended only me to claim, but meh I guess my checks forced other guys to claim as well.
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On October 10 2012 12:51 gonzaw wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2012 12:48 Keirathi wrote:
I'll be honest, this game went from fun to boring the minute we started trying to solve it rather than play it. This game would have been boring (to me) and pretty shitty if I hadn't claimed and everybody bandwagoned against me today and unanimously got me lynched and then town lost. Also with S&B/Matt/ghost/Jingle/Hiro barely active most of the time this game has been me+you+austin arguing ever since D3 basically. Unless you had fun doing that I intended only me to claim, but meh I guess my checks forced other guys to claim as well.
I would rather be wrong in my reads and learn from it than be wrong from trying to piece together information that we'll never be able to verify, because someone is always going to be hiding something.
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Well, you'd just be "wrong in your reads".
I'd be stressed as fuck spending all D4 trying to convince people I'm town in a futile attempt and get lynched while nobody listens to me and then go "meh, gonzaw was scummy" as soon as I flip and instantly get over it while I then go to the obs qt and see I got every single read wrong and weep for hours in front of the mirror.
...okay maybe I don't weep for hours in front of the mirror...but still it's not really a pleasant situation/set of situations to be in.
I'd prefer ending the game in a high note by catching the scum no matter the method (analyzing claims and speculation or scumhunting or both) rather than end up feeling shitty while playing and then feel shitty after I play.
Although that's kind of irrelevant. This "massclaim" happened, you feel shitty about it, I don't.
Although I don't think I would have really wanted it to happen though, I just wanted to claim not get lynched, then maybe lynch austin or ghost/Mattchew (what I thought back in N2).
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Also I kind of find a fascination with claims and fake-claims and that kind of stuff.
Like, trying to use your head and figure out what happened and how it could have happened and who's lying based on what you know makes you feel like a detective, and is super cool (at least when you get it right).
I remember there being a "logical" game out there were everybody was a tracker/watcher and scum had fake-claims and it was a whirlwind of night actions and shit and you had to make sense of them and try to logically find out who was scum and it was cool as hell to read.
Pre-Edit: Oh yeah it was this one
I guess there's some stuff like that in this part of the game which makes it interesting.
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On October 10 2012 04:42 austinmcc wrote:
Oh ghoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooost.
Would you like to claim? If everyone is being truthful, you used something on HiroPro N2. And HiroPro redirected to Gonzaw N2, so barring funny business, your action should have actually ... taken place on Gonzaw?
HiroPro/Gonzaw, do either of you know how the tracking would come out in that situation?
Someone is lying, I checked Draz Night 2. Roleclaim coming up in a bit.
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EBWOP: The guy who made that post is an idiot, I swapped with HiroPro and checked Draz. Comfirming I did something to Hiro Night 2.
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Alright, I'm a Malfunctioning sentry turret. GLaDOS swapped my turrets with a portal gun, so I can swap places with peoples at night. Also, I can check the alignment of the person below me on the player list. Night 1, I didn't move and checked JingleHell. Night 2, I swapped with HiroPro and checked Drazerk. Night 3, I guess I stayed where I was at and checked Keirathi.
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If you checked keirathi you actually checked hiropro
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