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On October 03 2012 11:42 gonzaw wrote:
Jingle, I just want you to answer me this:
You are willing to entertain the idea that 2 of the most active players, and most contributors (in a way) are scum but you won't entertain the idea that guys that didn't do shit on D1 or N1, where never around, didn't care about discussion or the lynch at all, and the only contribution they had was 1 post with a "list" of reads that were full of fluff aren't?
Entertain the idea please, at least so you pay attention to them. If you think they are town and me or austin scum then please state so
I don't think activity is even remotely alignment indicative, but generally, I think people who have near-modkill experiences every day of the game are less likely to be scum.
And at what point was I ambiguous about you and Austin being my favorite two lynch candidates right now? Pretty sure I made that abundantly clear. But then, you keep ignoring things you aren't actively working with in the thread, almost like you're only situationally interested, which is scum behavior.
Hey, didn't I mention that before?
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Also heres an idea
What if there was a targetable lightning rod used last night?
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On October 03 2012 11:38 gonzaw wrote:
-He's "null" on perfection and spouts some wishywashy stuff about him and puts the usual "I want him to post more reads, I'll wait for him" scum tactic scum always use with their buddies (I should know of I always use it).
Oh really? Interesting...
Gonzaw wrote:
just in case I miss it I'll make a placeholder vote on iamperfection:
##Vote: iamperfection
I don't have a strong read on him at all, but after rereading it's the strongest one I have.
None of his posts seemed to contribute at all, and even his ghost vote seemed "easy" to latch on. He doesn't have anything else to go on, so it's a safe bet I think.
Others I could have placed a vote on would be JingleHell, Mementos or Nisani, but I'm not sure at all about them. I really need to see how they will act towards contributing and towards the lynch, right now they seem passive, lurky and nothing else (I'd consider keeping austin/ghost/others alive until I get more info on them)
But considering nobody else has done anything in the last hours (in terms of contributing to the lynch, or discussion, etc) and everybody seemed to have the same "meh I don't really care" apathetic attitude it's difficult to assert if they are doing it out of a scum motivation or are just townies that aren't doing shit because nobody else is doing shit.
gonzaw wrote:
Hmm, okay people, what do you guys think about lynching one of these guys:
JingleHell
Mementos
Nisani
CrossFire
austin
iamperfection
And if you'd switch to one of them, why would you do it?
Like I said before I have that same "weird" feeling about them, but again it seems none of them other than Mementos decided to show up to contribute at all.
It wouldn't bother me too much since it's D1, but we are getting too close to the lynch deadline and we have to choose a lynch.
gonzaw wrote:
Yes, it's easy for scum to pick any townie from that list at random and point fingers, but there's no reason to believe him.
I trust some people here more than others, and it's the opinion of those that I'll take into account to determine my choice.
The "scummy" people would be forced to choose so I can see how they interact and contribute, but not to completely sway my opinion.
Well, tough luck I'm leaving right now.
You know what, fuck it:
##Unvote: iamperfection
##Vote: JingleHell
I don't really buy that "the world is against me" attitude and I haven't seen any contribution from him other than his scummy read on Drazerk (maybe his unvote is not that scummy, but it's the only thing I can go on).
Take into account that's a rash vote/placeholder, but oh well.
Pretty convenient that you took literally no stance on iamperfection for the whole day besides putting a vote on him and not trying to get him lynched. However, when he started getting some actual momentum, you suddenly didn't think that he was worthy of your vote anymore and you threw it down on JH. And it just happened to be right before you "left" until the deadline too...
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Oh, I missed one:
On October 01 2012 10:44 gonzaw wrote:
So....hello, anybody?
austin, why aren't you making those fluffy walls of text you make when you are town?
Why does it seem nobody cares?
Damn, what a boring game :/
If this keeps up like this I'll most likely vote S&B, or ghost (if he wasn't intentionally trolling), or Jingle (if I make up my mind about him) or Mementos/Nisani/austin/iamperfection (I have "weird" feelings about all of them but there so little to go on that I can't know for sure).
Yeah, not incredibly useful, but oh well...
Also, I'm wary as fuck of the way he's trying to assert to everyone that I'm town. He has said "Keirathi is town" so many times this game that it feels like he knows for sure.
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lol it's Can't Believe all over again (replace talismania with iamperfection).
I don't see anything wrong with what I did, I can't lie and be "confident" on someone being scum when I'm not.
I'll just ignore any "link" you guys think there is between me and iamperfection since it's not worth time arguing about (again, it will end up the same as Can't Believe and you guys are and will be grasping at straws).
Don't ignore everything I said about Nisani either just because you think I'm being a scummy hypocrite or something (which I'm not if you actually think about it).
On October 03 2012 11:48 Drazerk wrote:
Also heres an idea
What if there was a targetable lightning rod used last night?
What do you mean?
Also, I can't believe Mementos wouldn't jail anybody at all.
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On October 03 2012 12:13 gonzaw wrote:
lol it's Can't Believe all over again (replace talismania with iamperfection).
I don't see anything wrong with what I did, I can't lie and be "confident" on someone being scum when I'm not.
I'll just ignore any "link" you guys think there is between me and iamperfection since it's not worth time arguing about (again, it will end up the same as Can't Believe and you guys are and will be grasping at straws).
On October 03 2012 02:26 gonzaw wrote:
This leaves me with 4 guys: Nisani, Mementos, Drazerk, S&B.
There's this little voice in the back of my mind that tells me "Drazerk and S&B are bussing each other to disrupt everything in the thread and cause shitstorms and then when one of them flips the other one plays the 'a confirmed scum wanted me dead therefore I'm town' card; just like that Toad-vs-VE feud from LI".
Yeah. How DARE we suggest possible connections between players?
Ignore it from everyone if you like, even I wasn't doing that, I was happy to take your questions if someone sane repeated them. So if I'm "bad town" what does that make you?
Remember, we don't make a case against you to convince you. Just everyone else. So a complete refusal to defend (rather than waiting to see if you actually need to) is just one more scummy thing to mention. Especially when it's kinda hypocritical.
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I can't defend myself on connections with iamperfections.
And I already said I don't like making those kind of connections since I'm wrong most of the time (I hope I am not this time though, but I'm not basing my case on said connection, I'm using it in a "it doesn't contradict it and would make sense" way).
Please comment on Nisani and S&B, I won't let this day be you guys being blinded by "my scumminess" and not doing anything else at all.
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On October 03 2012 12:13 gonzaw wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2012 11:48 Drazerk wrote:
Also heres an idea
What if there was a targetable lightning rod used last night? What do you mean?
Lightning rods force all actions/votes to hit the lightning rod
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Just got back. gg mementoss.
I'll respond to all this in the morning, I guess both mementoss's case on me more fully and then what's happened since then.
Didn't get notification of any actions last night.
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^Are you saying you have evidence there is one? That doesn't sound like something might be in a mafia game, seems too unbalanced
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This is Aperture mafia Gonzaw...
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There wasn't a lightning rod in the last Aperture Mafia game...?
Do you at least have evidence of there being a lightning rod in any game of mafia?
It doesn't make much sense, who used it? Scum? Then they can't use any abilities on anybody and can only use them on the guy they kill.
Town? Then they can tunnel all scum actions into anybody of his choice. He's basically a vig that saves all scum KP and abilities the same night he makes a shot, and that's unbalanced as hell
3rd party? That's the only possibility I can see but it still seems like a stretch
Is there anything in particular why you mentioned that? What makes you think there could be a lightning rod? Aren't all KP/actions accounted for? Or is it because apparently Mementos didn't jail anybody? (Nisani, S&B and I think Crossfire have yet to claim though)
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Something I've mentioned in passing to both grey / hassy before so I wouldn't put it past either of them also I really like lightning rods as a role its not as imbalanced as you think it is.
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If there is one and he's town he should claim, because if not he'll fuck any analysis that can be made from night actions (both kill and made by blues).
Doubt he exists anyway.
Drazerk, what do you think about what happened these past few hours? Do you agree with Jingle+Keirathi, or maybe with me, or with neither of us?
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Gonzaw I like your case on snb. However your case on me makes no sense.
Mattchew you have been making a lot of sense lately. What do you think of snb?
Also I still think drazerk is scum, if him or snb aren't on the same team then I'm certain they're anti-town
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tomorrow i will come back with the wisdom of 1,000 cares and shits cause today i just didnt give any
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On lightning rods.
I guess you're not making this role up entirely, but there doesn't seem to be any evidence for a lightning rod. You seem to have just decided it might exist. Seriously, any evidence at all that this would be in the present game?
If lightning rods force all actions/votes to hit that person, and makes someone a rod for the night:
(1) That means someone used it on mementoss
(2) Only someone who thought mementoss was scummy would have used it on him (mafia KP would target the rod)
(3) 2 kp or more was fired last night (mementoss rat den would have targetted himself, protecting him from 1 kp)
Secondary stuff we can assume
(1) There's no kanti role in this game, otherwise it would have targeted mementoss, as would ALL actions, resulting in nastiness
If this were a thing and is targeted during the day, we'll know, because all votes would go on that person. I don't get why you'd ask the question unless you have that ability or you're just trying to mess with everyone's heads. It seems unlikely that it was used overnight on mementoss. If there IS one and it gets used today, we'll know.
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On searching for roleblocked people
WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT? Anyone who was roleblocked shouldn't be claiming, and should easily understand this. Apparently there's a role that swaps players on the player list, and anyone who swaps into whoever Mementoss targeted's spot on the list would be JKed.
So claiming rb = probably claiming JK = giving mafia knowledge about protections. I don't see a town purpose to having that info in thread.
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It's also worth noting that, as of now, the player list looks like this:
1.Mattchew
2.Mementoss (Doug Rattmann) was killed Night 1
3.strongandbig
4.iamperfection (GLaDOS) was lynched Day 1!
5.HiroPro
6.Drazerk
7.Keirathi
8.ghost_403
9.JingleHell
10.austinmcc
11.Nisani201
12.Crossfire99
13.gonzaw
I THINK that's what it looked like D1, but I can't quite tell. iamperfection's flip feels like it's in the right spot, but nothing else on the list stuck out enough yesterday that I remember exactly where it was.
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