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On October 05 2012 01:39 slOosh wrote:
What? How are you comparing the reasons for two different lynches as the basis of my alignment?

On October 09 2012 07:33 kushm4sta wrote:
Where is z boson? He has been active in his other game. He is my top scumread.

On October 09 2012 07:27 VisceraEyes wrote:


Tentatively ZBoson. He was quick on the Node wagon on D1 if memory serves, which was what made me start reading him in the first place...however he was also quick off it. He expressed pretty serious suspicion of myself and Coag which he has never revisited (to my knowledge - I have not done a thorough reread.)

I'm going to go over some of the interactions, but yeah ZBoson is my second highest scum read.

On September 04 2012 12:58 slOosh wrote:
BC is forcing a 1-1, basically a lynch between him and Mattchew.

On his side its raw gutsyness, and as people have pointed out if it's a scum strat then it ends up with a D2 lynch on him, or even a N1 vig shot; it is unlikely that he would pull this off to kill a town Mattchew as I don't think anyone can wriggle out of the subsequent backlash lynch. A 1-1 on Mattchew is stupid, especially if it could end up him (BC) lynched first, which would make it a 1 for nothing.

On Mattchew's side is the self-aware miller claim. If millers were self-aware, they would out themselves, and it would strengthen his claim. If they aren't self-aware as they usually aren't, he would be safe until someone flipped nosy neighbor, in which case his lie would be exposed and he lynched. In a big game like this, potentially worth it.

Unlikely that both are town as it would mean a lying townie. Unlikely that both are scum cause it's so sub-optimal.

I'd lynch Matt first on the basis that BC's demeanor seems more honest than Mattchew's. I mean, some guy is screaming his head off that you are a liar, and if you know that your role PM is "Nosy Neighbour" then the other guy (BC) must be an idiot or a liar. Mattchew isn't treating him like an idiot, nor is he treating him like a liar. The response is off (I base this off my experience fake claiming in Bureaucracy Mafia). If we get ... news of something otherwise, it's easy enough to switch. But even without it behavior analysis should be enough.

Dunno why you haven't thought of voting him though BC.
##Vote: Mattchew

On October 09 2012 12:57 slOosh wrote:
Guh Mondays, finally over.

To all concerned that I'm not playing like I usually do - you are all using meta terribly. My playstyle is reactive. I poke and prod and gather information and then bust out a case. If people are lurking and give 1 line responses I can't do my thing. Now that we finally have an open lynch tomorrow and people are actually posting you can expect my "regular" play.

Excusing BC because the benefits of an SK is ridiculous - we don't know the nature of the 3rd party role, and people are forgetting that it has some higher order win condition that ends the game. BC is the best lynch for tomorrow. We have mementoss' claim, and you can see even how he reacted to the claim by discrediting him ("horribly bad townie or mafia") instead of trying to come to mutual understanding.

On October 05 2012 10:30 iamperfection wrote:
in other news i'm fairly certain that both austin and kush are town.

Austin- Contributed a lot and i dont think he would be able to come with some of the cases he did as scum. I agree that marvs flip says nothing about node. Like i said before marv is crafty and nod still hasent done anything to make me think he is town. Austin just had the unfortunate circumstance of being in the wrong place at the wrong time and i dont believe the node case was a distraction for anything.

Kush- In all of his posts i don't get a sense he has extra information. Also his larg amount activity makes me think he is town.

So who do i think is scum well for now i would say the most likely.

Node- this sob has done nothing to make me think he is town. Also the orginal case brought up against him is still valid despite marvs presence.

VE- somebody mentioned this earlier

He said he would be exhausting and he hasn't been. I played with ve town briefly once before and i wouldn't describe his play this game as that here. In that game he dominated the discussion when he was there and was by and far the town "leader" i would say. I think the case that tails Posted earlierr on Is valid and VE has an activity tell that he cant shake. My gut tells me he would bee a good lynch.

On September 30 2012 11:24 iamperfection wrote:
guys i think the best way for me to prove my innocence is to simply go forward and hunt scum Austincc was right my day 1 actions were not very good. The truth is i thought i found scum and i got lazy that is the truth but its in the past and i cant change what i did. When i saw that comment that thrawn made i thought it was just like the comment that zeph made in my last game where he was sk. It was stupid of me and i got tunnel vision.

Now to move forward and find scum. Sinesis and Strongandbig have both gone mia. Now it is possible, and it seems like sinensis is back now possibly?, that they had IRL reasons for drops in activity. However there is no town motivation in it what so ever

I want to hear from both of them more going forward.

Also
I want to hear more from phagga

He did a good job explaining his thought process leading up to the final moments but i am more intrested in hearing what he thought after i announce my presence.

I will try to answer any questions you guys ask of me but i would rather move forward with a better day2 and try and find scum.

As of right now i would say Sinesis and strongandbig are tied for my top scumread with phagga in a somewhat distant 2nd.

On October 06 2012 08:08 iamperfection wrote:
I would like to welcome to the thread two of my favorite players.

@ promthelax

I see no reason to not believe your claim i welcome you my fellow town bro.

@hapahauli


This is some weak ass shit. For someone who says the are cathing up on the entire thread i call bullshit. If you have been "catching" up to thread like you say you are you would have noticed players have been saying dumb shit like this alllllllllll game. I expect better from you hapa and this first post of yours is very concerning. The player you replaced gave me no reason to think he was town and now you come in with this.

I think your scum and just wanted something to say by casting some idle suspicion while maintaining the facade of activity.

What say you?

On October 08 2012 09:28 iamperfection wrote:


Time for some speculation.

As we know are good friend hapa is about to flip scum. Which of course means node was scum.

Now we know people can have irl reasons for replacing but judging by the last post of node im more inclined to believe it was something more of a rage quit. I think this was caused by him seeing mafia members being involved with the sudden wagon that happened on day 1. I got a sense of frustration and the fact that he quit despite being in arguably a good position after the marv flip i think their may have been some infighting within the mafia that caused him to get fed up.

I think their is probably another scum on the node wagon and it brings me back to ViceraEyes




I stated earlier that i thought it was bad reasoning to suspect that a marv flip would mean that node isn't scum> I also think VE of all people should know this. From my observations of marvs play through games he states the truth a lot as both scum and town. Their is really no differences i can see between tone and i have seen him bus before. I think Ve used this bad reasoning to try and get the attention of his scum buddy.

VE has not been exhausting like he said he was going to be.

VE has not been as active as i know he can be.

VE will be the person i will be pushing to lynch during the next cycle if i'm alive.

also ve can you please explain what you meant with this post.


I took this to mean that you were going to post before the end of the night some big post. You did not. Did i read this post wrong?

I find it's legit. I find it odd that he would waste an investigation on kush, of all people

On October 10 2012 13:10 VisceraEyes wrote:
@Kush

I hadn't considered the possibility that you could be framed. None of the roles really jumps out at me as framer - maybe that's what Coroner does. I don't know. I don't care. It came up red. We'll deal with the implications of any flip other than red if we come to it. If you're town think of this as your way of helping town figure out who's scum. I'm not lying, but I concede that there's a slim chance of you flipping town.

@Town
I didn't want to claim, I claimed because I didn't think given my activity that I could get a lynch on Kush without it and town is fixating on this BC thing which I feel is a bad idea. No offense BC, but the question of your alignment can wait until we're out of red to kill. That's my opinion anyway.

On October 10 2012 13:25 slOosh wrote:

Perhaps that was force of habit - all my giant cases tend to end with a call to lynch. Are you seriously trying to suggest that I was shutting down all other discussion?

On October 10 2012 13:27 VisceraEyes wrote:
I did. Your mannerisms this game feel like you're exclusively reacting to others' attempts to scumhunt - and the way you have had this pseudo-scumread on me for however long but never really made a case or really explicitly say you want to lynch me felt like you were scared to attract my attention. It's just felt newb-scum to me, no offense intended. Also I felt obligated when my scumread (Coag) returned green to check a scumread of the dead (annul).

To be fair though, it was between you and Z-Boson. I may or may not check ZBoson tonight, depending on your flip and the contributions of others between then and now. If I'm alive. Who knows what tomorrow will bring?

On October 10 2012 14:12 DarthPunk wrote:


I have mentioned it. I have also mentioned how he is aware of his meta and has employed it in WIFOM bombing me. So he could easily have changed it. And lets be honest. Getting caught so fast last game would have been an obvious catalyst for working on an incredibly transparent meta.

This is not the first time he has been confronted with pressure and I would have originally thought this was a town tell for kush. I even had a town read on him when I replaced in. But his WIFOM against me showed a willingness to both abuse and alter his meta. To the point where I don;t feel it is enough to clear him Especially with the multiple scummy things he has done.

Also. If you feel that kush is town. Then you should unvote him. Voting for someone and then protesting that vote is scummy as fuck.

In fact. The biggest thing that makes me wary of lynching Kush is that you seem to be trying to milk town cred if Kush flips green.

In fact. That is very very scummy.

On October 10 2012 14:16 Coagulation wrote:
meh.. zbos looks like try hard town to me

On October 07 2012 20:18 DarthPunk wrote:
About Kush's analysis. That is beyond anything I have seen from him in terms of actual quality analysis in the 3 games of his I obs'd and the 2 I have since played with him. It is a striking difference from that play and even the play in this game.
Either he is improving in his play. or he is being coached in the QT. I find both plausible at this point and certainly don;t want to lynch him for sound analysis.

That being said. I do want to lynch him for All the reasons I have already brought up.

On October 09 2012 17:28 DarthPunk wrote:


You Employed WIFOM against me in order to mask your scum slips and meta. By intentionally making scum slips and employing your scum meta.

It is the scummiest thing that has happened in this thread. And bvy god you should have been lynched for it days ago.

It even caused ToutEstChaos to change his mind and make you his number one scum read.

A confirmed town thinks you were the most likely scum.

You shat all over the thread.

You have barely scum hunted despite a lengthy filter.

You have proven that you are aware of your meta so that is now useless.

You employed Wifom to mask your scumslips and scum meta.

Marv defended you before he was caught.

Hapa defended you before he was caught.

As soon as you became toutEstchaos' number one scum read he died.

The only argument in your favor comes from a suspicious player in his own right. And is comprised of pure WIFOM and speculation.

I have not voted for you so now you are lying or not reading.

And the case against you is far more than you 'fucking with me' which in itself is far to simplistic an explanation.

On October 10 2012 08:36 DarthPunk wrote:


LOL. So bad I caught you twice in a row. You are not flipping town. Obviously.

On October 10 2012 08:41 DarthPunk wrote:


You aren't flipping town kush.

On October 10 2012 14:12 DarthPunk wrote:


I have mentioned it. I have also mentioned how he is aware of his meta and has employed it in WIFOM bombing me. So he could easily have changed it. And lets be honest. Getting caught so fast last game would have been an obvious catalyst for working on an incredibly transparent meta.

This is not the first time he has been confronted with pressure and I would have originally thought this was a town tell for kush. I even had a town read on him when I replaced in. But his WIFOM against me showed a willingness to both abuse and alter his meta. To the point where I don;t feel it is enough to clear him Especially with the multiple scummy things he has done.

Also. If you feel that kush is town. Then you should unvote him. Voting for someone and then protesting that vote is scummy as fuck.

In fact. The biggest thing that makes me wary of lynching Kush is that you seem to be trying to milk town cred if Kush flips green.

In fact. That is very very scummy.

On October 07 2012 16:20 DarthPunk wrote:
Also. Where the fuck are:

Shiao Pi

Mattchew

BloodyC0bbler

These are experienced players that have had almost zero thread presence since I replaced in to the game.

I mean I think Kush is scummy as shit. But at least he is making a contribution and posting. Even if his posts are crap. They exist and he has thread presence.

On October 09 2012 11:03 DarthPunk wrote:
I have to agree with Keirathi about sloosh. Even as 3rd party he contributed more than he has this game. And he even pushed a case on scum S&B. This game I barely even know he is playing. He hasn't really scum hunted and combined with switching off the node wagon back to shady he looks very suspicious.

I also agree that it is strange for hapa to have pushed risk so hard if he was town. I know this is somewhat WIFOM. But I don't see the point of Immediately pushing your scum buddy after you lose marv.


I feel Like VE fits into that whole group of scummy/lurking vets.

BC
Matt
Sloosh
VE etc.

They can't all be scum. But out of that group I think Matt and Sloosh look the worst.

Also Shiao Pi continues to lurk so I don;t know wtf is up with him. Yeah his meta has him sort of inactive. But not as badly as this game. It could be a by product of the boring past cycles. But I would be watching him.

On October 10 2012 14:55 iamperfection wrote:

rofl

yeah im not standing out. The guy that has been yelling that kush has been town. The guy who now has accused visceraeyes and coagulation at times of being scum and now they are likely town. The guy that said you were full of shit from your very first post. The guy that attacked hapa as soon as he got in the thread and ultimately fliped scum. the guy that said marvs flip said nothing about node.

ya you know who has been flying under the radar you shaopi.

The same guy that whined at the end of his last game. cried it wasn't my fault i lost it was the towns activity and yet was part of the problem. So dont come in here and accuse me for flying the radar. read the thread and come in with something for real against me if you think im fucking scum read this thread i dont want meta make a real case because i already any meta argument against me is wrong in this game so when you come in with weak crap like that it makes me think your scum.