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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
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Z-BosoN
Brazil2590 Posts
I've noted some discrepancies in mr. Sloosh's play here. Let's do this. First thing he says: On October 01 2012 06:15 slOosh wrote: This is the most upsetting start to a game I've played. So I'm gonna lay some ground rules because people are playing in a way that they shirk responsibilities with their actions / words. Biggest thing is stop saying "I wanna lynch player X what do you think?". There is no back up analysis, and it allows people to toss out names at random. You think someone is scum, back it up. Don't say "seems scummy maybe". It lets people sow seeds of suspicion and it makes mislynches more untraceable. Shady's vote makes no sense as VE pointed out. In fact the whole thing doesn't make sense, including how he has already started making connective tells on Kush based on Z-Boson. But it seems just as explainable by a combination of poor play / leftover emotions from TL-LVII. I'd wait to see what he can produce (case wise or whatnot) since arguing whether acting like a troll to incite a mod warning isn't conclusive to determining alignment. VE I don't see your issue with annul - or are you doing one of those reaction things because its leaning on the destructive side right now. He seems rather confident in this post. He wants people to be assertive about their reads. However, this later comes out as an extremely fluffy "I care about town" post, because look at his next post. On October 02 2012 12:33 slOosh wrote: Guh didn't realize how much time I actually take to read. Between Node and Shady Sands I'm leaning Shady. With a total lack of follow through after his troll antics, he has disrupted early day discussion and dropped off. Not lynching him today on the basis of a potential modkill is stupid - he could easily trade his life for hurting day 2 discussion as well and he might not even be lynched. The nature of the Node lynch is really strange. Reason enough to lean the former. ##Vote: Shady Sands I see this as extremely dull, compared to the tone he set in the introduction post. I'd rather lynch him then him, this feels weird, etc... I don't buy his explanation. This goes on to repeat itself: On October 02 2012 12:49 slOosh wrote: Node is scummy. I think what you found about his post was valid. However we can only lynch 1 at a time and I find Shady a better target for the reasons I stated. The strangeness of Node's lynch was that there was a disconnect between the push and the votes - you tossed out a bunch of names and his was just picked up. It's enough to sway me to Shady. While he gives a brief description later in the post as to why he's agreeing, this seems like a pathetic excuse to lynch Shady. "Node's lynch was strange, he is scummy, and that makes me want to lynch Shady". I can just not be seeing it, but please clarify what the hell are your reasons for voting shady. Regardless, this is also a rather weak tone. The rest of his game, however, seems consistent with his original view. I just find this slight break in it rather weird. Especially when we contrast this to him in [url = http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=361826&user=53783］LVII[/url]. Even though he was 3rd party, he was a pretty freakin townie one. His reads were much more assertive and he didn't fret with "I feel this" or "I feel that". I've noted some differences in his play and his initial post seemed like an uncharacteristic fluff. For those of you who have played with him, how does his play so far compare? | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
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ToutEstChaos
France38 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
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slOosh
3291 Posts
On October 04 2012 13:53 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I will keep a better eye on kush to see if my view of him is off but hes still suspect to me. Sharrant needs to post more. Looks too much like feigned activity and given that he hasn't even posted once since the day post went up I will keep him on my possible scum list. What is your view on him? Yea I'd go further and put him at probable scum given his latest post. His comments on players are more summaries and recaps of thread sentiments, he shies away from making any concrete stances, and does a good job spreading suspicions over a large pool even on his not-scum reads. He hasn't bothered to comment / vote on marv so it shows that he isn't actually reading the thread, but wants to make sure he is seen with contribution, probably in light his name being brought up for discussion by us. | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
On October 02 2012 12:33 slOosh wrote: Guh didn't realize how much time I actually take to read. Between Node and Shady Sands I'm leaning Shady. With a total lack of follow through after his troll antics, he has disrupted early day discussion and dropped off. Not lynching him today on the basis of a potential modkill is stupid - he could easily trade his life for hurting day 2 discussion as well and he might not even be lynched. The nature of the Node lynch is really strange. Reason enough to lean the former. ##Vote: Shady Sands | ||
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Z-BosoN
Brazil2590 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
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slOosh
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
*waves* like, knowing who 3rd party is will HELP YOU later in the game. | ||
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Z-BosoN
Brazil2590 Posts
On October 05 2012 01:39 slOosh wrote: What? How are you comparing the reasons for two different lynches as the basis of my alignment? I am finding your explanations and general thought process much lamer and weak than in the other one. I'm still wondering just how much so, but I found your reasoning for the shady lynch pretty damn weak. Just bringing this to light to see if people more familiar with your play agree. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On October 05 2012 01:41 marvellosity wrote: you're all meanies *waves* like, knowing who 3rd party is will HELP YOU later in the game. Does 3rd party have the no-flip kills or is that you guys? | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
On October 05 2012 02:26 austinmcc wrote: Does 3rd party have the no-flip kills or is that you guys? I have no idea what 3rd party has. Wanna guess who it is yet? | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On October 05 2012 02:27 marvellosity wrote: I have no idea what 3rd party has. Wanna guess who it is yet? When do I ever NOT want to speculate on stuff. But sorry, word on the street is that you're scummy, so I think I'll keep it to myself for now. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
Even I am voting for me. That's how fucked up this town is. | ||
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mkfuba07
United States1151 Posts
On October 05 2012 01:27 slOosh wrote: Yea I'd go further and put him at probable scum given his latest post. His comments on players are more summaries and recaps of thread sentiments, he shies away from making any concrete stances, and does a good job spreading suspicions over a large pool even on his not-scum reads. He hasn't bothered to comment / vote on marv so it shows that he isn't actually reading the thread, but wants to make sure he is seen with contribution, probably in light his name being brought up for discussion by us. I had a look at his previous game (I believe his first game?). This is Hapa's synopsis of Sharrant's play that game, which I feel is more reliable than any kind of meta statement I could make about Sharrant. Sharrant: You're well-spoken and calm, which are huge assets to have as a townie. You have a taste for making "list" posts of players which I'd advise against. You don't have to make your opinions known on every single player in the game - listing your top scumread (or two) is enough unless requested otherwise. Focus more on questioning your top scumreads and scummy players. I looked through his filters for each game, and Hapa's synopsis seems accurate. Two differences that I could see between each game are that he's less active (number of posts) and is actively participating less (less interaction between him and other players). When I think of his contributions in the previous game, the lists are an addition to his townie contributions. In this game they seem like the main attraction. These two things are enough to make me lean scum. However, I don't see his lack of a vote on marv at the moment as particularly scummy. Wouldn't anyone returning to the thread want to get a vote on marv at this point? Why is scum more likely to forget to vote than town? Also, Sharrant's clearly read the thread, since his only post since returning mentions marv from a scum perspective 2-3 times. While Sharrant can still be said to be playing to his town meta (of one game), he looks scummier compared to his previous play. I wouldn't say it's because of his marv-related activities, but his means of interacting with the thread. | ||
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BroodKingEXE
United States829 Posts
Mattchew's filter On September 30 2012 14:48 Mattchew wrote: that just means nothing of value has been posted (although value has been attempted) kush lets talk for a moment, tell me more about your vote on shady Mattchew starts off the game like most other people. He looks at Shady's trolling as as a failure. But then he goes after Kush for his voting of Shady. On September 30 2012 15:02 Mattchew wrote: i re-read shady's "trolling" and it seems extremely forced and thought out. this is either proof to his point of him trying to get warned or him being too nervous to troll casually because he is scum. This post is wishy-washy as hell. What do we conclude from this point? Nothing. + Show Spoiler + On September 30 2012 23:31 Mattchew wrote: His trolling didn't read like a player just taking a piss (trying out this expression), he had to try too hard at it with and lay it on thick with the alternating caps. He did however clearly put thought into what he was typing out and didnt just type random non-sense into the thread, like how he calls out players for fluff and shit in all of his posts instead of actually trolling around like others do. This is why his trolling feels off and extremely forced, instead of light-hearted and care-free. annul's post at the time included important setup discussion that I missed in the flavor despite reading it myself. It turns out to not be true and takes away all value... I am disappointed annul didn't follow up with any discussion about the on-going game afterwards Read this, he tries to get to a point that Shady's trolling feels forced. Yet he from the previous post I can imply that he thinks its neither a townie nor scum trait. Yet he never explicitly says that he thinks it is a scum or town trait. You could argue that the first question implied that he thought Shady was town, but even so why didn't Matt just come out and say it? I think its because he wanted the lynch to blossom into what it did. This lack of commitment to one side or the other makes him scum in my eyes. From there he goes and makes a vote for KJ (puts up austin/sloosh/coag), drops the vote. Out of those three he only pulls sloosh as scum. | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
scum find it hard to troll because they are extremely aware of how they post in the thread. normally if shady had not made his post pre-game about trolling, he would be scum 9 outta 10 times. Because of his pre-game post, it makes his trolling non-alignment telling because he was probably going to troll regardless of his alignment. Its not wishy-washy its my thought process. What is scummy about me expressing my thoughts on the matter again? | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
~~~~~ @marv I will guess the third party. Austinmc?? Total out of the blue guess though. do you actually have something constructive to add? Killing third parties furthers both of our win conditions. ~~~~~ does anyone know who said a quote along these lines "we will deal with the lurkers later but for right now there is a ton of scumminess in this thread that needs to be dealt with" Who the fuck said that!? I've been thinking about that quote alot but I cant' find it in anyone's filter. ~~~~~ No one is making any cases I find particularly compelling. Darth's on keirathi is fine but how I look at it, it's mostly based on lurking. Where are the sexy cases people!! Don't look at me beacuse 1 it would probably suck even worse than z boson's 2 dont have the effort in my right now | ||
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