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On October 03 2012 04:46 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2012 04:41 Kreb wrote:On October 03 2012 04:28 thrawn2112 wrote:
Kreb , are you saying that because marv and whoever else pushed a node lynch away from the shady lynch that means you're suspicious of them? Shady flipped green so I don't see how that argument makes sense. You say the node lynch was unnatural and possibly pushed by scum which if true would mean that node is green and shady is red.... but shady is green so I'm not understanding your logic. Well, theres is still the possibility of it being an austin-distraction. Or just as a general distraction from, well, any mafia. Theres also the purpose of just pushing for different townies left and right because it both creates confusion and probably makes it easier to blend in (if theres votes all over the place, everything is "ok", so mafia can pick any stance they want and seem genuine with it). I still dont see Node as scummy at all from his posting, and the way that wagon happened makes him look on the townish side. You're not making sense. The Node push makes no sense from a mafia distraction point of view because Shady was a townie heading inexorably for the lynch. It's in these situations mafia are usually happy to sit back as town happily hops on to the townie wagon. On Node: tell me, does his posting look like he cares for town? iamperfection pointed it out perfectly earlier: When Node was at great risk of being lynched, did he come in to drop reads and shit? No, he came in to call town stupid, and then promptly left again without making any reads or anything. How are you reading this as townie? You also, presumably from your attitude, find his defence of Shady townie. How? Want to talk about your connection stuff a little. You don't even realise how strongly you're doing it, or how it's affecting how you think. We have: Show nested quote +On October 02 2012 08:23 Kreb wrote:
Anyway, time to put down my vote. Disregarding the first trio (kush/kj/shady) which Ive said Im not feeling too good about.
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Austin on the other hand indeed had a pretty bad reason to vote for KJ. And his obsession with the spy comment seem a bit..... out of place. Cant say Im feeling super convinced about this either considering how early it is into the game and the length of peoples filters, but meh, gotta place my vote somewhere.
As such: ##Vote austinmcc
You place your vote on him and you're not sure at all. Your very next post goes into theories about the Node wagon and how it looked and how it makes austin look much worse (which I think I've helped establish that it doesn't really). So you, yourself, never actually had strong feelings on austin if the quote above is true, until you started ladeling Node/austin/me/VE/wagon stuff on top of it.
This stands out to me for one major reason. It makes perfect sense for mafia to push node as a distraction case regardless of the fact shady flipped green. Ask VE or Node if they remember a game in the high 30's or low 40s run by FW with the weird mason mechanic (each player could mason any two players they chose but only two players) where on day 3 or 4 as mafia my entire team sat firmly on two sides of a townie vs townie lynch pushing each.
Also pushing node as a "distraction" case would be perfect if austin is red. Why? Because it got heat off himself.
However, this is me merely clearing up something I find instantly wrong and misleading.
In regards to the lynch yesterday. Not sure how shady was lynched, thought we had passed that when I was active in the thread yesterday. Also not sure how the node picked up so much steam the way it did given that the main person pushing said case was under some heat from people and the votes were slowly swinging the way. Why do you ask? Because node had so very few posts and was easy to cherry pick. The case was also poor on him given the fact that well, its node. The only thing that speaks badly about his posting thus far is the lack of it. Making odd posts like he has is very typical of his play regardless of alignment, and the biggest tell is his lack of involvement in the game. Rather then making a case on his posts someone should have brought up the fact that a veteran player had made such few and weird looking posts as the main tell over his one sentence on his why he thought shady wasn't scum.
I am back for most of the night so I will go through the thread to make sure I can get more info out given that I have a horrible trend of dying day 1's these days.
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On October 03 2012 07:05 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2012 06:13 marvellosity wrote:austin: that's because you always play so fking scummy for most of day 1 dear. iamp: you may only use the term if you bring with it the sense of arrogance I use it with. Anyway, Mattchew, come talk to me about your play, it's looking pretty damn scummy to me right now, especially after the first half of Day 1. You voted kj yesterday lunchtime or so, and we have this post: On October 02 2012 08:21 Mattchew wrote:
BC mind telling me why you think i am scum?
also, I could get down with an austin lynch. he doesn't feel like he is hunting scum as much as he is hunting for an easy out to vote.
I am willing to ##unvote for the meantime. I am caught up on the thread but don't actually understand some of the arguments.
You 'unvote' here in the thread but you do no such thing in the Voting Thread. You also say you're down for an austin lynch here, but you never elaborate on this again, instead going on with: On October 02 2012 08:47 Mattchew wrote:
lets lynch sloosh On October 02 2012 08:49 Mattchew wrote:
sloosh hasnt done anything after coming in complaining about the thread being bad. You don't talk about austin anymore at all, and instead casually suggest lynching slOosh. Except you never seem serious about it, you're just dropping his name there and off you go, not to be heard of again during the Day. You're gonna have to explain pretty well what you were thinking here as it looks scummy as shit to me. Posting for the sake of posting and not taking actually taking any real stances. On October 03 2012 02:11 Mattchew wrote:On October 03 2012 02:01 VisceraEyes wrote:
Someone shoot him. We can lynch Node easier than Annul, and I want them both dead.
Medics, on me and marv.
DTs, on BC and Mattchew.
We totally got this. I am down with this plan Absolutely nothing to say on how the lynch went down or anything pertinent at all. Scum bro? I wasn't around for when the lynch went down. Sloosh should still be lynched, do you disagree with my assessment of it or just my lack of pushing it? I didn't think that shady did anything (other than come back last minute to the thread) that warranted him being lynched, but because of so many people getting away with little to no information about why their vote was on him or node, I struggle to find the difference there between bad town and scum. Forgot to unvote, woulda ended up not voting (which is basically what I did). Honestly I just had a really bad day 1 and was not able to really get a strong read on anyone through just overall reading, and then when I looked at sloosh I was away for when I should have been pushing him. Anyway lets chat about sloosh, BC and annul. These are the players that feel weird. Sloosh seems to be struggling to post, and seems like he is struggling to type out his thoughts. I think this is because he is scum. I was easy to make a case on because I played like shit day 1. He skews the truth in his case about me when he mentions my stop voting shady sands point. I was clearly saying this to the people that at that moment were voting shady which there were still a lot of at that time (in this thread and +2 to the voting thread). I was also not saying what alignment Shady was, I was just saying that at that time votes on him were stupid. BC reminds me a lot of foolish playing in Bureaucracy. He knows that a lot is expected of him which makes it really really hard for him to post a lot. He is focusing in on people here and there while not actively driving discussion and calling out bad play. His posting looks really weak for a normally very confident player, and the % of fluff/bs to actual content in his filter is not up to his town-standards Annul, his 5 page filter has nothing of actual value in terms of reasoning, scum-hunting, or explaining his thought process. He also was extremely active in the hours leading up the lynch and ended up pushing no candidate. Here is annul's last scum game filter, I feel it reads very very similar to his filter this game ( link plz click)
Hi, I was pushing discussion off of two main lynch candidates while heavily getting discussion + possible vote swing (it was in mid process before swapping to node). That is actively driving discussion. I am sorry I am not here to handhold you and get all dem mafia lynched but as I don't know who they all are it is moderately hard to do. I can't always have someone out themself in their first post for me to get a dog with a bone moment and tunnel till said person dies.
I have a question for you as well Mattchew. Why do you only surface and do anything whatsoever when you are pressured but you can't find time to push your reads, or even remotely attempt to help the town in a constructive manner?
Popping in like you are right now is very similar to your play last game when you got called out and ran for the hills and would randomly appear before just giving up.
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On October 03 2012 07:29 VisceraEyes wrote:
I remember the game - I don't specifically remember the situation you're referencing. Not to say that I think you're lying, and I don't remember which game (high 40s I think), just saying that as a town player remembering a town performance (pisspoor btdubz) I don't remember that specific thing happening. Your memory is...specialized BC. You should play more.
Dude I remember games from like 3-4 years ago sort of deal, my memory is arttarded. The game I am referencing is the one where I mindfucked you royally and led to mataza quitting TL mafia. The two lynch choices for that day I am referencing I believe was Youngminii and mataza with RoL being heavily pressured (all 3 were town).
As for my read of annul, someone vig him. I think he warrants one more than most players but hasn't quite earned being lynched yet.
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On October 03 2012 08:09 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2012 07:15 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
This stands out to me for one major reason. It makes perfect sense for mafia to push node as a distraction case regardless of the fact shady flipped green. Ask VE or Node if they remember a game in the high 30's or low 40s run by FW with the weird mason mechanic (each player could mason any two players they chose but only two players) where on day 3 or 4 as mafia my entire team sat firmly on two sides of a townie vs townie lynch pushing each.
Also pushing node as a "distraction" case would be perfect if austin is red. Why? Because it got heat off himself.
However, this is me merely clearing up something I find instantly wrong and misleading.
Yes, that's one way to look at it; on the flip side, the right thing for austin to do as townie is to make reads and push things like he did, and like Node very much did not. How are you reading the both of them? I find austin quite townie now. talismania - What is your current read on VE? Do you still think he is scum?
He had to to avoid being lynched. As townie or mafia he had to do what he did. I find him less scummy then he was before, however it doesn't mean he doesn't still get my gaze for only pushing someone when his ass was on the line. I more stated what I did because of how you stated your post I responded to which basically stated mafia wouldn't do what he did, or have a reason to push a second townie candidate. Making a case on a terrible poster as mafia or pushing a lynch on a bad scum player on ones team is standard play.
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On October 03 2012 08:18 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2012 08:13 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On October 03 2012 08:09 marvellosity wrote:On October 03 2012 07:15 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
This stands out to me for one major reason. It makes perfect sense for mafia to push node as a distraction case regardless of the fact shady flipped green. Ask VE or Node if they remember a game in the high 30's or low 40s run by FW with the weird mason mechanic (each player could mason any two players they chose but only two players) where on day 3 or 4 as mafia my entire team sat firmly on two sides of a townie vs townie lynch pushing each.
Also pushing node as a "distraction" case would be perfect if austin is red. Why? Because it got heat off himself.
However, this is me merely clearing up something I find instantly wrong and misleading.
Yes, that's one way to look at it; on the flip side, the right thing for austin to do as townie is to make reads and push things like he did, and like Node very much did not. How are you reading the both of them? I find austin quite townie now. talismania - What is your current read on VE? Do you still think he is scum? He had to to avoid being lynched. As townie or mafia he had to do what he did. I find him less scummy then he was before, however it doesn't mean he doesn't still get my gaze for only pushing someone when his ass was on the line. I more stated what I did because of how you stated your post I responded to which basically stated mafia wouldn't do what he did, or have a reason to push a second townie candidate. Making a case on a terrible poster as mafia or pushing a lynch on a bad scum player on ones team is standard play. Ok, I get where you're coming from. I experienced similar with austin in the very last game I played with him. I voted for him on Day 1 for only talking about himself for a while then completely afking for ages when there was tonnes going on in the thread, but it turned out he was being lazy/dumb whatever, which is why I was so antsy about it this game. His contributions look more thought out, researched and I guess not-skewed than what I'd expect from scum, and I see them as good contributions.
I do and don't. I feel his case on node was hasty and well, not great. I feel his posting since however has improved. I still think the entire lynch period was weird as hell with how it operated at the end. However I don't feel he should be shot or lynched tommorrow currently which I would say is a bonus for him.
I am fine with either happening to mattchew now though. He has done nothing to make me think he is town and is only making me believe he is scum.
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On October 03 2012 08:32 kushm4sta wrote:
To these people saying annul should be Vig not lynched:
Please explain why.
No one has made a better case than the many against annul.
Why not save Vig for the endgame when we have more information and better reads?
I prefer shooting players who are
A) Hard to read
B) perform badly or trolly or whatever else you want to call it while being active
C) disruptive but not helpful
He hasn't had any massive scumslip and thus I believe offing him without wasting a day lynching him is better. If he flips scum its helpful and if he flips town it sucks but removes a disruptive player and stops us from spending 2 days discussing him / the day of talk after if he flips town.
That is how I operate usually on vig shots unless its a policy shot.
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On October 03 2012 09:19 annul wrote:
i guess to BC "disruption" is posting cogent arguments and/or defending claims made against yourself
I actually tend to find near all your posts disruptive -_- I always have. Its like facing a bill murray player but having to fear some form of coherent thought behind the name.
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On October 03 2012 09:50 Coagulation wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2012 09:22 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On October 03 2012 09:19 annul wrote:
i guess to BC "disruption" is posting cogent arguments and/or defending claims made against yourself I actually tend to find near all your posts disruptive -_- I always have. Its like facing a bill murray player but having to fear some form of coherent thought behind the name. lol.. What you think about me BC?
eh you aren't cursing like a jerkbag, caps lock is mostly off and you are posting similar levels you did one of the last games we played together when we were both town. So you can stay for now.
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That is the single most amusing outing of a scum I have seen since A RNG shot toad a few games ago. Shitty that you were punished for bad play Marv, but well, if it makes you feel any worse.... I survived your shot. Thank you magical man who saved my life, as I didn't want to die again before day 2.
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On October 04 2012 04:47 Mementoss wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2012 04:42 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
That is the single most amusing outing of a scum I have seen since A RNG shot toad a few games ago. Shitty that you were punished for bad play Marv, but well, if it makes you feel any worse.... I survived your shot. Thank you magical man who saved my life, as I didn't want to die again before day 2. Why do you think marv shot you?
I find it highly unlikely a town vig shot me over any of the other players in the game tbh. Given that I was shot and survived I assume it was the mafia and thus thanking the magical medic.
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Also, after looking through marv's filter and gazing at the people he was fine with lynching and those he defended / tried to suggest were bad options for lynches were
Risk.nuke
Kush
Sharrant.
Of these 3 I think it is highly likely that at least 1 is scum. Of the people he accused I think mattchew is most likely to flip red as well.
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On October 04 2012 04:54 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2012 04:42 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
That is the single most amusing outing of a scum I have seen since A RNG shot toad a few games ago. Shitty that you were punished for bad play Marv, but well, if it makes you feel any worse.... I survived your shot. Thank you magical man who saved my life, as I didn't want to die again before day 2. No, I was punished for *good* play. Useless, bad mechanic.
nah it was obvious bad play yo. Why else would the town dt doctor check you 
As for mementoss, how do I know I was shot? I was pm'd about it.
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That would be a bad thing marv. You not killing me last night means I can actually look at your filter, then compare to all the nice green flips so far to get an idea of how your day 1 went. Closest thing to associative tells I can find atm and given that you are out in the open and caught you are going to just cluster the thread with wifom shite that even if you did post your entire scum team no one would believe it.
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On October 04 2012 05:00 Z-BosoN wrote:
Wait, so Risen the paramedic, another medic on BC, and, incredibly, another one @ austin, who was also shot?? Do we have three medics, does everyone buy this??
Given that no one has claimed any of the shots on the dead players, (ie no one is claiming vig)
We know we have two dead vanilla's, shots on me and austin, and risen raped himself while giving us marv.
We know we have mafia, and 1 third party based on setup, so 4 kp appearing isn't that unlikely I think.
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On October 04 2012 05:02 VisceraEyes wrote:
Node is almost certainly not the scum. There was a very real possibility that he would have been lynched and annul was right, a bus in that situation would have been pretty suboptimal.
Marv is definitely the scums. Whoever he never mentions in the game I'd probably have a hard look at. Otherwise I haven't reread the game (as I said I would :<) so I'm crippled until I do.
BC what do you think of Mattchew?
I still think he could be scum given that his play this game has been spectacularly bad. I also don't think marv was dumb enough to not attack at least one member of his own team, and given that his only "cases" were on known greens, calling kreb horrible, and mattchew I am banking that mattchew is the real red.
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On October 04 2012 05:04 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2012 05:02 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On October 04 2012 05:00 Z-BosoN wrote:
Wait, so Risen the paramedic, another medic on BC, and, incredibly, another one @ austin, who was also shot?? Do we have three medics, does everyone buy this?? Given that no one has claimed any of the shots on the dead players, (ie no one is claiming vig) We know we have two dead vanilla's, shots on me and austin, and risen raped himself while giving us marv. We know we have mafia, and 1 third party based on setup, so 4 kp appearing isn't that unlikely I think. He's not disputing the possibility of 4 kp...only the existence of 3 medics.
I don't see how thats a weird issue. Given that no vig has claimed a shot on a green player (note i am assuming 1 shot vigi's here if we have them) and given that at least one of the medics so far who has flipped was the weak doctor variant I don't find it so unlikely that there could be 3 medics.
At the same time I am also not discounting that their could be a mafia medic who was active last night as well who could have stopped a shot on someone as well.
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On October 04 2012 05:09 marvellosity wrote:
'weak' doctor my ass
It is commonly referred to as the Weak variant of doctor even though its OP.
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On October 04 2012 04:56 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Also, after looking through marv's filter and gazing at the people he was fine with lynching and those he defended / tried to suggest were bad options for lynches were
Risk.nuke
Kush
Sharrant.
Of these 3 I think it is highly likely that at least 1 is scum. Of the people he accused I think mattchew is most likely to flip red as well.
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most likely not Marv, only us three seem to be active at the moment.
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