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On September 19 2012 21:44 Mementoss wrote:
Also more to note, this "divided town" thing how is it bad? It seems to me that we caught scum very early in the day 1, and scum is scrambling to put cases on everyone else to get the attention away from prplhz, the votes haven't been coming easy on prplhz despite him being the main discussion of day 1. Hell, he hasn't even reached majority yet this game. He's also had his share of people call him or his posting townie, yet prplhz hasn't really came back to scumhunt.
Probably referring to this, Hapa.
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Since marv has a little heat on him ill just say i think he is town. Reading through his filter i get no sense that he has extra information like he did in my previous game with him that he was scum. Also i liked the way he was able to explain his reasoning to my random lynch at the begining.
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On September 18 2012 06:56 Mementoss wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 06:50 Blazinghand wrote:
Hey pudding-munchers stop arguing about that and read my case I read it. It seems like you played with him alot and can really differentiate between his scum and town. It's not the most for sure case of all time, but the post felt scummy to me as soon as I read it and even moreso when I realized he hosted a game with MKfuba in it. He's the scummiest player so far. Iamperfection seems like noobie, why would mafia out themselves like that, also I think he is bitter because of his history with marv.##vote: prplhzBlazinghand what do you think of hapa immediately coming to prplhz defence? + Show Spoiler +On September 18 2012 06:35 Hapahauli wrote:Hai gais! Good to be back in a mini so I can actually keep track of people more closely =) Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 06:21 Mementoss wrote:On September 18 2012 06:07 prplhz wrote:
hey guys
please no unnecessary bullshit it's perfectly possible to play the game without that and it only serves to make the game harder to read
there are a couple of people around i have no idea who is, can anybody explain to me who mkfuba07 is? well this is a lie already, what is it with people lieing on there first post? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874You hosted a game he was in. More MKFUBA games if you want + Show Spoiler + Prplhz isn't exactly the most attentive host... I was in that game, and he basically forgot to make the last nightpost for a couple of hours. I wouldn't expect him to remember half the players in that game tbh =P Also what do you think of this clear contradiction from prplhz: + Show Spoiler +On September 18 2012 06:07 prplhz wrote:
hey guys
please no unnecessary bullshit it's perfectly possible to play the game without that and it only serves to make the game harder to read
there are a couple of people around i have no idea who is, can anybody explain to me who mkfuba07 is? On September 18 2012 06:08 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 06:07 Mementoss wrote:
I think day one should be discussing what da bands name is gunna be name my band ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/8f6HH.png)
Hey mementoss can you explain the bolded part, thanks.
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Case:
On September 19 2012 02:16 prplhz wrote:
Okay guys, I'm going to post a townie list! Green for emphasis!
prplhz
Blazinghand
Palmar
iamperfection
Hapahauli
Mementoss
Gonna go read more filters.
Hey d00ds clearly list's are not bad! Correct? No! unexplained lists! (Unexplained list's are just random bullshit prplhz is throwing into the thread which is not benefiting anyone.)
Something ticks me off with the amount of unexplained stuff in prplhz's post's, say his defense post:
On September 18 2012 08:54 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 08:37 Blazinghand wrote:
Also, you literally stopped posting when I posted the case on you, so there's that. Yea I had just queue a game of DotA2 when you posted it and then I decided that I would rather see how it other people reacted before shooting it down. I don't really get the first argument. You are saying that my first posts are similar in my scum games, this doesn't make me scum. Then you argue that the first posts themselves have a distinct scummy agenda which is very disputable but more importantly, do you really think that any scum feel the need to push any agenda in their first post? I think that my first post is townie, I think that for all of those scum games you posted. At least the content is townie. Not everything scum posts is scummy.As for the "He's not quick to vote", no that's right, I didn't vote yet during the first 30 minutes of the game. I think it's a very thin argument that I should be scum because of that. I think I like to play both styles styles of "aggressive" and "careful and prodding" as town, I guess it all depends on what mood I am in. Anyway, I think your case on me looks townie and with everything else you've posted I'm pretty confident that you're town.
austinmcc, I thought this guy looked really scummy up until this post. It's especially his explanation of that single word "OBVIOUS" that seems very townie to me. It looks like he really thought carefully about my alignment and didn't consider covering his own ass or anything like that. I like that. Townie for now. Mementoss is a little harder. I think he just voted me because I posted a dumb picture and corrected his grammar. That can be really antagonizing I hate when people do that to me when I make a dumb little mistake. Overall I've got a townie feeling about him. marvellosity is pretty shabby for now. Show me some of that "thinky" that you promised before the game. We also need everybody else to join the game and post some more.
Bold Paragraph:
1.Dodges argument (Hey I don't know X Imma just completely avoid it!)
2.Says it doesn't make him scum (Hey someone notice he didn't explain WHY doesn't it make him scum?)
3. + Show Spoiler +"Then you argue that the first posts themselves have a distinct scummy agenda which is very disputable but more importantly, do you really think that any scum feel the need to push any agenda in their first post? I think that my first post is townie, I think that for all of those scum games you posted. At least the content is townie. Not everything scum posts is scummy."
Then at the end of his post he adds random reads on people, to make the defence post bigger perhaps?
After that, he voiced his suspicions on Ange777, he say's he want's to lynch her (or him o_o?)
On September 19 2012 08:21 prplhz wrote:
Okay I wanted to lynch Ange777 because I thought it was weird that she felt so strongly about me being scum, especially over marvellosity even though that might have been later. marvellosity didn't really do much this game compared to his last game where he was town and me on the other hand has played markedly different I should think. As in, I actually provided reads on people this time aronud. This whole "town reads are useless" is dumb especially when I give you three town reads. And now I gave you six town reads and you are still calling it useless but it isn't. Scum reads are cool but that doesn't mean that town reads are useless.
Also, on that post the bold part clearly is thoroughly explained points which will make us believe he is town right???? Nope, "Town reads are useless' is dumb" <---- WHY IS IT DUMB PRPLHZ I DON'T UNDERSTAND.......
Lastly, I find a problem between me and why he's voting marv
On September 19 2012 02:26 prplhz wrote:
hapa too good
##Vote marvellosity
"Hapa your so gud! I will totally sheep you with no reason to add at all then the affirmation of my vote on marv :D" (Sheeping with no reason = Bad because we don't know why the fuck does prplhz believe marv is town, for example if he thought marv was scum through the thing Hapa pointed out why didn't he explain why he thought that thing Hapa pointed out scummy?)
Basically that's why and I'll be happy to answer any questions/ give opinions on anyone.
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On September 20 2012 01:33 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 21:44 Mementoss wrote:
Also more to note, this "divided town" thing how is it bad? It seems to me that we caught scum very early in the day 1, and scum is scrambling to put cases on everyone else to get the attention away from prplhz, the votes haven't been coming easy on prplhz despite him being the main discussion of day 1. Hell, he hasn't even reached majority yet this game. He's also had his share of people call him or his posting townie, yet prplhz hasn't really came back to scumhunt.
Probably referring to this, Hapa.
Ahhh I missed that.
That still doesn't change mementoss never actually perusing his top scumread.
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@Bluelightz
That bit about Ange777 was in response to my question about how he felt about Ange at the time, and then a bit of a response to my crappy case against him.
On September 19 2012 07:16 mkfuba07 wrote:
I'm back from classes.
Never really sure where to hop in when I've been gone for so long. Guess I'll just start by saying that I'd much prefer that we not lynch me today. Such a lynch would be a mistake.
Anyway, @prplhz - current feelings on Ange777? Is she still on your list or has she been completely replaced by marv? On September 19 2012 08:03 mkfuba07 wrote:I'm interested in prplhz at the moment. His entire perogative seems to be sharing town reads while inserting witty side comments. Just when he made me think he was going to start contributing more he posts a pointless list of town reads and then votes for marv. Aside from vague assertions of Ange's suspiciousness earlier, and now a weak argument against marv, all prplhz has given us are town reads, which won't catch scum unless he can find all 9 (or however many) of us. Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 07:55 prplhz wrote:On September 19 2012 07:16 mkfuba07 wrote:
I'm back from classes.
Never really sure where to hop in when I've been gone for so long. Guess I'll just start by saying that I'd much prefer that we not lynch me today. Such a lynch would be a mistake.
Anyway, @prplhz - current feelings on Ange777? Is she still on your list or has she been completely replaced by marv? Why do you want to know that? I mentioned Ange777 very briefly and right now a lot of shit with marvellosity is going down and then you ask a relatively irrelevant question. What makes you want to know about my opinion on Ange777 so much that you ignore everything else in the thread? I mention Ange because before marv, she was your only "scumread" as far as I can tell. I put it in quotes because I'm not even sure how you felt about her in the first place, aside from the fact that she "looked terrible" and that you wanted to kill her for unknown reasons. I wanted to know what you currently think of her because she's the only person I've seen you be suspicious of aside from marv.
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What time is the deadline?
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As for the rest of BL's case against prplhz, I was concerned about the unexplained lists popping up in the thread (palmar and prplhz), but I feel as though prplhz has explained all of his town reads as he made them, then wrote up the list to consolidate them. Anyone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm reasonably sure that I saw some small reasoning for each of those town reads in his filter. I'm not sure what the benefit of a list of town reads is, aside from everyone knowing who he thinks is town, but afaik he gave reasons for them all at some point, and I don't see the list itself as inherently scummy as long as it's not completely random.
The next part, concerning his defense of the BH case, I don't find all that compelling. The question regarding why he thinks his first post looks townie is valid, but I don't think its answer is indicative of his alignment.
The part about Ange is a misunderstanding that I hope I cleared up in my previous post.
And finally, I'm not sure what this part means: "Sheeping with no reason = Bad because we don't know why the fuck does prplhz believe marv is town, for example if he thought marv was scum through the thing Hapa pointed out why didn't he explain why he thought that thing Hapa pointed out scummy?" It seems to bounce around between prplhz sheeping, prplhz believing marv is town, prplhz believing marv is scum, and something that Hapa pointed out regarding marv being scummy, which would imply to me that Hapa is in some way scummy. I just don't understand it. Could you clarify it a bit?
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Oh, also @Bluelightz:
You were suspicious of MMToss earlier. What are your thoughts on Hapa and austin's cases against him?
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Scratch what I said about prplhz's list of town reads. He mentions them elsewhere, but doesn't explain them. Time for more reconsidering...
@prplhz: I'd also like to know how you feel about the cases against mementoss. Is he still a town read in your book?
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I'm back. I'll comment once I have finished reading.
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On September 20 2012 01:38 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 06:56 Mementoss wrote:On September 18 2012 06:50 Blazinghand wrote:
Hey pudding-munchers stop arguing about that and read my case I read it. It seems like you played with him alot and can really differentiate between his scum and town. It's not the most for sure case of all time, but the post felt scummy to me as soon as I read it and even moreso when I realized he hosted a game with MKfuba in it. He's the scummiest player so far. Iamperfection seems like noobie, why would mafia out themselves like that, also I think he is bitter because of his history with marv.##vote: prplhzBlazinghand what do you think of hapa immediately coming to prplhz defence? + Show Spoiler +On September 18 2012 06:35 Hapahauli wrote:Hai gais! Good to be back in a mini so I can actually keep track of people more closely =) Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 06:21 Mementoss wrote:On September 18 2012 06:07 prplhz wrote:
hey guys
please no unnecessary bullshit it's perfectly possible to play the game without that and it only serves to make the game harder to read
there are a couple of people around i have no idea who is, can anybody explain to me who mkfuba07 is? well this is a lie already, what is it with people lieing on there first post? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874You hosted a game he was in. More MKFUBA games if you want + Show Spoiler + Prplhz isn't exactly the most attentive host... I was in that game, and he basically forgot to make the last nightpost for a couple of hours. I wouldn't expect him to remember half the players in that game tbh =P Also what do you think of this clear contradiction from prplhz: + Show Spoiler +On September 18 2012 06:07 prplhz wrote:
hey guys
please no unnecessary bullshit it's perfectly possible to play the game without that and it only serves to make the game harder to read
there are a couple of people around i have no idea who is, can anybody explain to me who mkfuba07 is? On September 18 2012 06:08 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 06:07 Mementoss wrote:
I think day one should be discussing what da bands name is gunna be name my band Hey mementoss can you explain the bolded part, thanks.
Just a reference to this. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=359836¤tpage=85#1685
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EBWOP: "He mentions them elsewhere, but doesn't explain them until after he's posted the list." I feel like at that point it's not even a summary, it's just a list of people who don't have to worry about being pressured by prplhz.
Sorry for posting so much right now. I believe I have class during the deadline, and while I will have access to a computer for the later half of it, I can't guarantee that I'll have time to keep posting then.
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On September 20 2012 02:56 mkfuba07 wrote:
EBWOP: "He mentions them elsewhere, but doesn't explain them until after he's posted the list." I feel like at that point it's not even a summary, it's just a list of people who don't have to worry about being pressured by prplhz.
Sorry for posting so much right now. I believe I have class during the deadline, and while I will have access to a computer for the later half of it, I can't guarantee that I'll have time to keep posting then.
As your vote is currently on austinmcc, care to comment on his case and what you make of his recent activity?
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Okay this is fucking dumb.
I am quite town, look at my recent games: I have been scum in my last 4 minis and it's pretty clear that I have a really hard time conjuring up any sort of interest in scum games. You can also see that it pretty much got worse over time. I have shown more interest in this game than I did in any of those games. Seriously if you guys don't WIFOM yourself into a corner I'm pretty clearly town and even more clearly a horrible lynch. But fuck that, I'm not getting lynched.
Gonna go through the [censored] cases in what I predict will be a futile attempt at setting you straight.
First Ange777's case. Jesus christ, the horror.
On September 19 2012 20:28 Ange777 wrote:prplhz
I still want to lynch prplhz. Despite his recent contributions (giving us his town reads and making a case on marv), I am convinced that he is scum. Yes, he has 2 pages of filter within 1 day cycle which is unlike his scum play in GSL Open. But let's have a closer look at the posts he has made in these 2 pages: Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 06:07 prplhz wrote:
hey guys
please no unnecessary bullshit it's perfectly possible to play the game without that and it only serves to make the game harder to read
there are a couple of people around i have no idea who is, can anybody explain to me who mkfuba07 is? Starting post fluff. I'm already hating it. Why is Ange777 quoting my very first post, some would even argue the very first post of the game and then calling it fluff? That's grasping for any little fucking thing you can find and it makes you look desperate. This doesn't have a lot to do with your case, it's a bad argument but meh, I just don't understand why people write big dumb text wall PBPA and then include every little dumb thing. Do you seriously think that this post is clearly more scummy than townie? No you don't because allegedly you have brain so use it.Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 06:15 prplhz wrote:On September 18 2012 06:11 austinmcc wrote:On September 18 2012 06:07 prplhz wrote:
please no unnecessary bullshit it's perfectly possible to play the game without that and it only serves to make the game harder to read I know mkfuba replaced into LVII. A useless fact accompanied by an unrelated quote. I hope you're going to try to be more easy to understand from now on so chumps like me can follow your thought process too. Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 06:28 prplhz wrote:
their*
So I am lying or what? I mean, I am not lying unless you think I am perfectly aware who mkfuba07 is yet claims not to be, is that the case?
Maybe you can actually explain to me who he is instead of coming up with a silly list that's readily available to me as well if I just go into his profile. I can do that on my own thank you very much. Complains about people who try to give him information about mkfuba07. Sometimes we get to catch a glimpse of his "scum-hunting" or "prodding": Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 06:33 prplhz wrote:On September 18 2012 06:32 iamperfection wrote:
I randomly suggest a lynch of Marvelosity.
Your guys thoughts? I think that's a pretty shabby idea. Why do you want to lynch randomly and how did you decide randomly upon marvellosity? Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 06:47 prplhz wrote:On September 18 2012 06:46 marvellosity wrote:
P.S the whole point is that iamp's suggestion wasn't random, so we already have a liar. LAL? And how exactly do you know whether it was random or not? After being called out by several players for his lack of contribution he defends himself: Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 08:54 prplhz wrote:On September 18 2012 08:37 Blazinghand wrote:
Also, you literally stopped posting when I posted the case on you, so there's that. Yea I had just queue a game of DotA2 when you posted it and then I decided that I would rather see how it other people reacted before shooting it down. I don't really get the first argument. You are saying that my first posts are similar in my scum games, this doesn't make me scum. Then you argue that the first posts themselves have a distinct scummy agenda which is very disputable but more importantly, do you really think that any scum feel the need to push any agenda in their first post? I think that my first post is townie, I think that for all of those scum games you posted. At least the content is townie. Not everything scum posts is scummy. As for the "He's not quick to vote", no that's right, I didn't vote yet during the first 30 minutes of the game. I think it's a very thin argument that I should be scum because of that. I think I like to play both styles styles of "aggressive" and "careful and prodding" as town, I guess it all depends on what mood I am in. Anyway, I think your case on me looks townie and with everything else you've posted I'm pretty confident that you're town.
austinmcc, I thought this guy looked really scummy up until this post. It's especially his explanation of that single word "OBVIOUS" that seems very townie to me. It looks like he really thought carefully about my alignment and didn't consider covering his own ass or anything like that. I like that. Townie for now. Mementoss is a little harder. I think he just voted me because I posted a dumb picture and corrected his grammar. That can be really antagonizing I hate when people do that to me when I make a dumb little mistake. Overall I've got a townie feeling about him. marvellosity is pretty shabby for now. Show me some of that "thinky" that you promised before the game. We also need everybody else to join the game and post some more. The defense in itself is perfectly fine but what lacks is again an effort in scum-hunting. This is the first time that prplhz comments on other players and gives us a read. While town reads are definitely useful in the process of elimination, a clear scum read is far more preferable and accurate. And yes, being the center of attention does not naturally leave you with tons of scum reads but there must be players which have acted suspiciously. Being up for a lynch yourself will always be an easier situation to judge the people making the cases on you as you know your alignment. Judging players accusing other players has 2 unknown quantities and therefore getting a good scum read out of it should be more difficult.
As for how being the center of attention makes it more easy to scum hunt, that might actually be your opinion but I'm spending waaaaaaaaay too much time responding to shit like this instead of scum hunting. I also don't think that knowing your own alignment and how people react to it is necessarily something that makes it easier to scum hunt because you have to evaluate whether or not what you say is townie if you are being attacked, and the same thing when other people are being attacked you need to evaluate whether or not what they say is townie. Just look at this massive text wall took me ages to write and I'm not even done because there are at least two other people who have voted me for bad reasons since then.Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 20:33 prplhz wrote:
Disclaimer: I don't read any analysis that refer to the "Zephirdd Rule" also known as the "Kenpachi Rule Extended" because I think it's bullshit.
Anyway, HapaHauli is playing active and townie and I have no interest in lynching him today. Ange777 is looking terrible though.
@Ange777 Have you been scum at any point and can you direct me to one of those games?
List of people who suck: Bluelightz, marvellosity. Nice excuse for not reading the thread. Why wouldn't someone read the thread closely? Bullshit is not always just bullshit, it can have town motivation or scum motivation. Is it because you are scum and already know the alignments?
prplhz is scum and because of that he is lazy.
prplhz sees a post and decides that he does not want to read this single post out of the entire game.
prplhz decides that the best thing to do is to write a post in the thread about how he's not reading this post.
If you don't see how ridiculous this is then I don't know what the fuck. It's wrong on so many levels I don't know where to start holy fuck I gotta move on because I am getting so mad.
Okay I calmed down a bit. It's wrong because lazy doesn't mean scum by default and she doesn't argue that it has to mean scum here. Whatever. It's wrong because she's claiming that my lazyness has brought me to not reading this single post, which constitutes I'd say about 0.1% of the thread but whatever. I'd say that lazyness would probably more result in someone skimming the thread and not just skipping stuff. Alright. It is wrong because no scum would think it a good idea to announce in the thread that they're not reading it, when they can just....... not announce it in the thread lol and then read it if they have to or claim that they forgot or whatever the fuck. The scum motivation for this post is infinitesimal compared to how much flak you can instantly catch for admitting not reading the thread. Whatever you guys are dumb if you didn't already realize this.
This argument is so irrationally that I don't know what.
Anyway, I did read his post I just think that the Kenpachi Rule Extended is bullshit so I was discouraging further use of it. I didn't want Zephirdd to hide behind a dumb rule that I think is a null tell for the entire game (or even for a day).There are a lot of useless posts in his filter like: Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 08:58 prplhz wrote:On September 18 2012 08:58 Blazinghand wrote:On September 18 2012 08:54 prplhz wrote:
blah blah blah some analysis blah blah That's better. You are too kind. Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 20:58 prplhz wrote:On September 18 2012 20:53 marvellosity wrote:On September 18 2012 20:33 prplhz wrote:
Disclaimer: I don't read any analysis that refer to the "Zephirdd Rule" also known as the "Kenpachi Rule Extended" because I think it's bullshit.
Anyway, HapaHauli is playing active and townie and I have no interest in lynching him today. Ange777 is looking terrible though.
@Ange777 Have you been scum at any point and can you direct me to one of those games?
List of people who suck: Bluelightz, marvellosity. Agreed, I've not done anything yet. Something decent to come when I get a decent chunk of time today. Ange listed her entire history last game in GSL Open. Do your own research you lazy sod, especially when it was given to you just one bloody game ago. Funny how you forget so quickly. funny how you think i read that game Now let's get to the part where he actually decides to contribute by making cases: Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 06:54 prplhz wrote:On September 19 2012 05:38 Zephirdd wrote:
Huh. Missed page 15. K got an idea.
Palmar, blazinghand, hapahauli. Your opinions on prplhz?
Ange777, your opinion on marv?
Marv and prplhz, your opinion on mmtoss and austin?
These are important to make some sense here. You can ask stuff to me too. I think that Mementoss is town. I skimmed a few of his previous games (they're all conveniently in his profile and that's pretty nifty I gotta say) and I think his play looks a lot more like his town play than his scum play. Would not lynch. I thought austinmcc looked scummy but I think that his explanation for the "TOO OBVIOUS" thing looked pretty townie and I liked it a lot so I'm null/town on him. On September 19 2012 05:58 Zephirdd wrote:On September 19 2012 05:55 Hapahauli wrote:On September 19 2012 05:52 marvellosity wrote:
I'm amazed you think weak sheeping from a seasoned player is a null tell, hapa. Seasoned players vote like that all the time, and I have yet to connect a mafia-mentality with prplhz. How about the whole "hey can anyone tell me what X is like? hey can you do what I should have been doing?" or the whole lurkish style of his play? ugh I'm about to back into prplhz again =_=' I want to see him answering stuff first tho I'm not a big spammer. Asking what people generally think of someone is just something to talk about. It was very literally 3 posts into the game and the two posts before that were not exactly something I could get any content out of.
I don't think I'm sheeping Palmar on marvellosity (and I don't think that really matters anyway but some people seem to make a big deal out of it). The reason I am voting marvellosity is that while he said he'd post less and be more thinky this doesn't excuse him from contributing and probably in a comparable way to how he usually plays. He wants to refine his play and maybe cut out some of the "fk u" posts that's great but people don't change their play to be more scummy because that's just dumb. I don't think his decreased activity has been offset by the increased thinkitivity and that unsettles me. The thing that pushed me over the edge with marvellosity was what I mentioned here (and you'll notice that this was before Palmar commented on it). I don't think that town marvellosity would find HiroPro's argument convincing at all. This befuddled me a bit because I'm a slow thinker and admittedly, seeing that a towny looking Palmar saw the same thing as me made me feel more strongly about it. Actually so strongly about it that I voted marvellosity. I don't think that marvellosity has started looking better since then, actually he is looking pretty bad. The straight up OMGUS is something I imagine a scum marvellosity to be capable of so I have to consider, is it a townie move or not? No it's not, the straight up OMGUS was a stupid move. I have no idea why marvellosity is so upset but I think it's because he has been figured out. I dont' see any townie motivation for it at all and how he's tried to explain it so far (Palmar should know better) doesn't convince me. Actually, if marvellosity really thinks that Palmar should know better then why doesn't he think that Palmar is scum and vote him? Instead he's going for an arguably easier day1 target in me. I have some small reservations with the marvellosity lynch that I can tell you about later but for now he's my top candidate. So here we have his explanation on why he wants to lynch marv. Basically I see 3 points: 1) Marv promised more thinky posts while posting less in general. But while he definitely has been a more lurky marv than usual he has not fulfilled his promise for thinky posts. While I have to agree that we have not seen much of the new thinky-style marv, it's not like he wasn't to be seen at all. Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 22:19 marvellosity wrote:On September 18 2012 10:50 Zephirdd wrote:On September 18 2012 07:04 Hapahauli wrote:
... or it's not obvious at all, and it's a typical bad D1 case making insane meta connections with barely any samplesize?
If you're pressuring him or whatever, cool, but the case is in no way "damning" or "TOO obvious." In fact, I'd expect scum to be the people most willing to be jumping on BH's case without so much as a thought. Namely austinmcc and mementoss How does he defend prplhz? "Oh it's just bad play. hey maybe we should look at these two other players instead". A town player can never know if another player is just playing badly. A scum player, however, always does.I've done that countless times as scum. Dismissing a case on a townie by saying he isn't playing optimally, but not considering the fact that it could be a scum play. "The people most willing to jump on BH's case" are people who just agreed with a case that was just built early on. The thing about strong cases(I say BH had a strong case at that point) is that when you are scum and you recognize a case as a strong one, you will try to defend that townie in order to gain cred post-flip. The earlier you do it, the better, and if he is never lynched that townie will at least like you for a while. Hapahauli's main argument against BH's case is the sample size, where BH basically covered three months worth of games. Meta is not a productive argument when you go much farther back(I'd argue that three months was too much), and he says BH would need more research to have a good case. BH has pretty much echoed my thoughts on Zephirdd's case on Hapahauli. It's not good at all and as pointed out by Hapa himself contains multiple misrepresentations (over the top/scummy kept coming up and that's just basic reading comprehension). Further, the part of the case that I've just quoted makes almost no sense to me whatsoever. In the quote Zeph provides, where does Hapa say that prplhz is playing badly? He's saying he didn't like BH's case. A town player can very well know when another player is playing badly. For example, Zephirdd, you are playing badly whether you are town or scum. The entire case is built on stretches and misrepresentations. I would also like to talk about the retarded 'Zephirdd rule'. Let's break it down in essence - the first time someone says something stupid/bad/scummy, the first person to jump on it is scum. What does this actually mean? Town is supposed to let the first dumbass comment slide and only comment on the SECOND person being a dumbass/scummy? The whole rule basically proposes that the first person to be bad should be left untouched. I also think that he's using this rule as an excuse to make a case without actually having to think about what's gone on in the thread properly. He's spotted something that adheres to his 'rule' and has then fabricated the rest of the case out of nothing.
Shame goodkarma is replacing out. His first post was scummy as hell. Not the general wishywashyness/not voting, but the fact that he was willing to talk about policy/trolling. I'm going to be keeping a close eye on his replacement. Look at this: On September 18 2012 07:17 goodkarma wrote:
However, that prplhlz's play doesn't generate any meaningful discussion is a valid point. This is definitely scummy behavior.
On Policy Discussion:
As for how the game's started out: now for the last few games I've played in they start with trolling, which turns into hasty accusations, which then eventually turns into an actual game of scumhunting... We've already gone this direction again... I don't understand why policy has been so rarely brought up at the start of games (at least the games that I've played), as it is far more productive than trolling.
I'd like to briefly discuss policy here:
If for whatever reason we can't find someone who we feel has a decent chance of flipping scum, I propose we lynch a lurker. Tbh, I don't believe we will have this problem. But we should have some kind of contingency plan to fall back on if discussion, for whatever reason, takes us nowhere. The thread has already generated a scumread for GK, but for some reason he's derailing into policy discussion. Look at what he says - policy discussion is far more productive than the direction this game has gone. But look at how this game has gone. This might be the most productive Day 1 I've ever seen. Why is he complaining about it?
As per usual I don't get BL's case on Mementoss. It looks like he's posting a load of unalignment indicative things and going "look! scum!". I'm pretty nullish on Mementoss right now.
With the high activity of some portions of the town, I think there's gonna be at least 1 scum sitting back and enjoying the show. At the moment this leaves me with mfkuba, Ange777, and HiroPro. I know fuba from outside of TL Mafia and at the moment I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and see if he posts more. Ange just seems to be getting involved in the discussion, so fine. At the moment I'm looking at HiroPro. Distinctly from the other two, he's actually been around posting, except what he's been posting is minimal and effortless. He voted for goodkarma but with barely an elaboration (I elaborated more above and that was just in passing). Other than that, he's posted a few times, but actually done nothing at all. ##Vote: HiroPro This is a well written and unlike the usual one-liner marv post with a lot of thinking. Yes, there haven't been other posts like this one following it up but soon afterwards was the Palmar/Marv war, it's only reasonable to assume that during a heated discussion you won't write text-wall posts. I am still hoping for the thinky-marv to pop up again now that he seems to have calmed down again but for now, I can't take this argument as a scum indicator. If this continues to go on after day 1 I will reconsider this point again but not now.
To comment on this text wall of his, no I don't consider any of what he said "thinky". Sorry if you're town but I just don't,, you are complaining about the Kenpachi Extended Rule which is just common sense to complain about because it's bullshit, the case on HiroPro isn't exactly convincing or insightful or anything.prplhz' other arguments for scum marv: 2) Town marv would never be convinced by HiroPro's argument. + Show Spoiler +On September 19 2012 01:11 HiroPro wrote:
Look at goodkarma's posts and what I've already said about him.
Look at the voting in the thread. We have like 6 or 7 candidates each with one vote. That's a recipe for town disaster. And then look at what Palmar comes in and does - he throws three completely new candidates into the mix and doesn't give any real reason for them being scum. He's not trying to actually lead town onto a successful lynch, he's just trying to cause chaos.
Why not? I don't like Palmar's style of just giving away all his reads without any single explanation other than to take his word for it. (But apparentely no one else is annoyed by this fact besides me.) I am perfectly fine with discussing new lynch targets but I need to know why someone proposes them to be lynched.
3) The OMGUS vote was due to scum marv being caught.
I really dislike OMGUS votes. Because they can be basically everything from town motivated to scum motivated or just plain stupid. And the other problem is you usually can't prove it, the OMGUS voter can simply hide behind the OMGUS motivation. Yes, the OMGUS vote makes marv scummy but it is not enough to convince me into lynching him.
marvellosity can do the OMGUS as town or scum but I consider it more likely that he does it as scum because it's not a town move. The OMGUS served just to make him look bad which is generally not something scum do but it's over the top and dumb when he can just argue. Why is he flipping out like that just because some dude said "u scum m8" instead of keeping his cool?
This following part makes me really wonder why people are not suspicious of prplhz:
Since when are people not suspicious of me?Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 06:54 prplhz wrote:
I have some small reservations with the marvellosity lynch that I can tell you about later but for now he's my top candidate. So when is it "later"? How do you want to convince us into lynching your allegedly top scum read when you yourself have reservations you are not willing to share with us? prplhz' two pages filter contains a lot of fluff and useless stuff. He has not made much effort in scum-hunting, just some occasionally prodding. He gives himself excuses for not reading the thread closely. His case on marv is really weak. And he is already back-paddling from said case. Scum.I will probably check Palmar's filter once more later, furthermore I want to know where the lurkers like austin, Bluelightz, mkfuba07 and HiroPro have gone. Stop lurking and get in the game.
Closing down, I think I have a hard time reading Ange777 because of the massive biased text walls I have to go through. I am leaning scum but I don't want to push something on someone that I am actively a bit upset with. The biggest thing is that I don't see any thought process in this, it's all a big biased mess and I see no reason for that. If you are town Ange777 then please take a god damn step back and look at things more clearly because you are tunneling. And then write more concise cases because text walls like these (and you are directly responsible for this one) is full of nothing and it just drains people of the time they have for playing this game without actually showing anything.
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Holy fuck that post, I pity the people (all of you) who will have to read that because it's probably just as exhausting as it was writing it.
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
It's amazing how prplhz only puts effort into this game when tons of people pressure him
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On September 20 2012 01:48 Bluelightz wrote:Case: Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 02:16 prplhz wrote:
Okay guys, I'm going to post a townie list! Green for emphasis!
prplhz
Blazinghand
Palmar
iamperfection
Hapahauli
Mementoss
Gonna go read more filters. Hey d00ds clearly list's are not bad! Correct? No! unexplained lists! (Unexplained list's are just random bullshit prplhz is throwing into the thread which is not benefiting anyone.) Something ticks me off with the amount of unexplained stuff in prplhz's post's, say his defense post: Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 08:54 prplhz wrote:On September 18 2012 08:37 Blazinghand wrote:
Also, you literally stopped posting when I posted the case on you, so there's that. Yea I had just queue a game of DotA2 when you posted it and then I decided that I would rather see how it other people reacted before shooting it down. I don't really get the first argument. You are saying that my first posts are similar in my scum games, this doesn't make me scum. Then you argue that the first posts themselves have a distinct scummy agenda which is very disputable but more importantly, do you really think that any scum feel the need to push any agenda in their first post? I think that my first post is townie, I think that for all of those scum games you posted. At least the content is townie. Not everything scum posts is scummy.As for the "He's not quick to vote", no that's right, I didn't vote yet during the first 30 minutes of the game. I think it's a very thin argument that I should be scum because of that. I think I like to play both styles styles of "aggressive" and "careful and prodding" as town, I guess it all depends on what mood I am in. Anyway, I think your case on me looks townie and with everything else you've posted I'm pretty confident that you're town.
austinmcc, I thought this guy looked really scummy up until this post. It's especially his explanation of that single word "OBVIOUS" that seems very townie to me. It looks like he really thought carefully about my alignment and didn't consider covering his own ass or anything like that. I like that. Townie for now. Mementoss is a little harder. I think he just voted me because I posted a dumb picture and corrected his grammar. That can be really antagonizing I hate when people do that to me when I make a dumb little mistake. Overall I've got a townie feeling about him. marvellosity is pretty shabby for now. Show me some of that "thinky" that you promised before the game. We also need everybody else to join the game and post some more. Bold Paragraph: 1.Dodges argument (Hey I don't know X Imma just completely avoid it!) 2.Says it doesn't make him scum (Hey someone notice he didn't explain WHY doesn't it make him scum?) 3. + Show Spoiler +"Then you argue that the first posts themselves have a distinct scummy agenda which is very disputable but more importantly, do you really think that any scum feel the need to push any agenda in their first post? I think that my first post is townie, I think that for all of those scum games you posted. At least the content is townie. Not everything scum posts is scummy." Where is the explanation for 'I think my first post is townie', 'I think that for all those scum games you posted', 'at least the content is townie', and 'Not everything scum posts is scummy'. (prplhz y u no explain y the points u said r townie points bro) Then at the end of his post he adds random reads on people, to make the defence post bigger perhaps? After that, he voiced his suspicions on Ange777, he say's he want's to lynch her (or him o_o?) Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 08:21 prplhz wrote:
Okay I wanted to lynch Ange777 because I thought it was weird that she felt so strongly about me being scum, especially over marvellosity even though that might have been later. marvellosity didn't really do much this game compared to his last game where he was town and me on the other hand has played markedly different I should think. As in, I actually provided reads on people this time aronud. This whole "town reads are useless" is dumb especially when I give you three town reads. And now I gave you six town reads and you are still calling it useless but it isn't. Scum reads are cool but that doesn't mean that town reads are useless. Also, on that post the bold part clearly is thoroughly explained points which will make us believe he is town right???? Nope, "Town reads are useless' is dumb" <---- WHY IS IT DUMB PRPLHZ I DON'T UNDERSTAND....... Lastly, I find a problem between me and why he's voting marv "Hapa your so gud! I will totally sheep you with no reason to add at all then the affirmation of my vote on marv :D" (Sheeping with no reason = Bad because we don't know why the fuck does prplhz believe marv is town, for example if he thought marv was scum through the thing Hapa pointed out why didn't he explain why he thought that thing Hapa pointed out scummy?)
Basically that's why and I'll be happy to answer any questions/ give opinions on anyone.
I exhausted my patience with dumb cases for now so you'll have to content with this rather sardonic retort.
Get the fuck out.
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United Kingdom36156 Posts
On September 20 2012 03:04 Blazinghand wrote:
It's amazing how prplhz only puts effort into this game when tons of people pressure him
Could you be a little more constructive rather than your two offhand remarks about austin and prplhz you've done so far today?
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On September 20 2012 01:32 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2012 01:22 Mementoss wrote:
EBWOP: @ Hapa if you read my last post before my defence post, I mention that I still maintain that I think prphlz is scum and the way the lynch is going makes me think he is scum even more. Where's this? You certainly haven't recently stated that you think prplhz is scum unless I'm missing something. Also, you never perused your read on your top scumread until I pointed it out to you.
How you know this? you a mind reader bro
man Hapa just trying to read the words you're writing here is terrible. It's like you studied for the SAT but you used a shitty book and now you don't know what you're saying.
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