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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On September 20 2012 03:05 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2012 03:04 Blazinghand wrote:
It's amazing how prplhz only puts effort into this game when tons of people pressure him Could you be a little more constructive rather than your two offhand remarks about austin and prplhz you've done so far today?
I assume you're talking about this calendar day rather than this game day, to which I respond: I have only just woken up. Let me refer you to the previous calendar day, about 10 hours ago, when I was in in which I have done a great deal to pressure and attack numerous players and try to get the lurkers in this town moving, in addition to reaffirming my faith in the prplhz case.
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Two best town players in this game (Palmar and Hapahauli) think I'm town and I'm pretty sure they're not both scum (I would be very surprised if even one of them was) and that they have their god damn reasons. Additionally, just that huge fucking text wall is something you can't see in any of my god damn scum games. There are a couple of you who are seriously dumb for voting me and then there's the rest who are just sheeping.
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Hey Blazinghand who do we lynch when we're not lynching me today because I'm town? Yes, this is a serious question and you should answer it, I don't even give a shit about any reasoning right now just a name and a couple of lines if you're in a generous mood.
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On September 20 2012 03:04 Blazinghand wrote:
It's amazing how prplhz only puts effort into this game when tons of people pressure him
What should he have said nothing at all? stfu.
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On September 20 2012 03:07 prplhz wrote:
Two best town players in this game (Palmar and Hapahauli) think I'm town and I'm pretty sure they're not both scum (I would be very surprised if even one of them was) and that they have their god damn reasons.
Hapa has bad reasons and Palmar has never shared them with us, if you can present me with a better case and/or defend yourself adequately I will move my vote.
On September 20 2012 03:07 prplhz wrote:
Additionally, just that huge fucking text wall is something you can't see in any of my god damn scum games.
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You're not really this dumb, right? You think this is an argument that has literally any merit at all?
On September 20 2012 03:07 prplhz wrote:
There are a couple of you who are seriously dumb for voting me and then there's the rest who are just sheeping.
Please dont' overwhelm me with compliments.
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@Palmar Are you planning on just sitting there while I get lynched because you of all people know that I am town or you are scum. Why are you just sitting there doing absolutely nothing?
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On September 20 2012 03:09 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2012 03:04 Blazinghand wrote:
It's amazing how prplhz only puts effort into this game when tons of people pressure him What should he have said nothing at all? stfu.
I'm amazed you've invested one of your precious few posts telling me to shut up this game. What prplhz should really have done is be scumhunting all day, rather than posting a massive text-wall defense 3 hours from the deadline. This should be pretty obviously what someone would do if they wanted to help town.
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So, prplhz, what are these potential reservations you had with my lynch?
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The fact that hapa has based a scum read on me twice this game based heavily on false information kinda makes me think he is pushing too hard for the mislynch on me. I can't go through his whole filter right now, but I would reccomend looking into his filter and I will dig into it later. His play doesn't seem to resemble his play in deathnote as far as I recall. Could very well be scum.
As for the prplhz defense, I'm less sure now than I was before. Will have to re-read when I get home.
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Blazing, could you throw me a read on austin + mementoss?
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On September 20 2012 03:11 marvellosity wrote:
So, prplhz, what are these potential reservations you had with my lynch?
No one else is on it but Palmar and I.
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On September 20 2012 03:08 prplhz wrote:
Hey Blazinghand who do we lynch when we're not lynching me today because I'm town? Yes, this is a serious question and you should answer it, I don't even give a shit about any reasoning right now just a name and a couple of lines if you're in a generous mood.
If it was clear to me I couldn't get a majority on you (and it seems it could head way, given the amount of jubjubs jumping ship on this case) my other lynch targets are mkfuba, iamperfection, and marvellosity. That being said, I should probably read into mementoss since people seem to be voting him, but nothing he did D1 jumped out to me as scummy on the first read-through.
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On September 20 2012 03:12 marvellosity wrote:
Blazing, could you throw me a read on austin + mementoss?
I'll do mementoss first.
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On September 20 2012 03:09 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2012 03:04 Blazinghand wrote:
It's amazing how prplhz only puts effort into this game when tons of people pressure him What should he have said nothing at all? stfu.
this is ace like play and i'm not even kidding this is so simple and no one else wants to see it and iamperfection just sticks it to you
"he is defending himself, he must be scum"
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On September 20 2012 03:11 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2012 03:09 iamperfection wrote:On September 20 2012 03:04 Blazinghand wrote:
It's amazing how prplhz only puts effort into this game when tons of people pressure him What should he have said nothing at all? stfu. I'm amazed you've invested one of your precious few posts telling me to shut up this game. What prplhz should really have done is be scumhunting all day, rather than posting a massive text-wall defense 3 hours from the deadline. This should be pretty obviously what someone would do if they wanted to help town.
No it looks like to me know that you must have some kind of extra informatioN.? Because ut seems like to me you just created a situation where there is no possibslity that prplhz is town.
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On September 20 2012 03:16 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2012 03:11 Blazinghand wrote:On September 20 2012 03:09 iamperfection wrote:On September 20 2012 03:04 Blazinghand wrote:
It's amazing how prplhz only puts effort into this game when tons of people pressure him What should he have said nothing at all? stfu. I'm amazed you've invested one of your precious few posts telling me to shut up this game. What prplhz should really have done is be scumhunting all day, rather than posting a massive text-wall defense 3 hours from the deadline. This should be pretty obviously what someone would do if they wanted to help town. No it looks like to me know that you must have some kind of extra informatioN.? Because ut seems like to me you just created a situation where there is no possibslity that prplhz is town.
I didn't create that situation: prplhz did, as he played through this D1.
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
Also, what? Extra information? Is the concept of scumhunting and voting reasonably so foreign to you?
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On September 19 2012 17:54 Blazinghand wrote:HiroPro you've been about as useful as a trapdoor on a lifeboat. Your filter, short as it is, includes literally no thoughts on Marv and your thoughts on prplhz are minimal and constrained to incoherent questions and statements about my case on him. The closest you get to making a read on him is this post which is about as crappy as the rest of your filter. I demand you take stances on both of these players, provide reads (rather than just asking inane questions) and reasons for the reads before the flip happens. Anything less than that is hurting town.
You want to know specifics about prplhz? Fine.
I'm pretty null on him. He's only done one thing this game that really makes me suspicious and it's that he said he has reservations about marv being scum but doesn't want to talk about them right now.
On September 19 2012 06:54 prplhz wrote:
I have some small reservations with the marvellosity lynch that I can tell you about later but for now he's my top candidate.
There's no reason for a townie to hide something like that - if you have something that makes you a little unsure of your scum read, you either discuss it with others or you ask them questions pertaining to that. You don't hide it and go "yea I have doubts, but I don't want to talk about it". There is scum motivation, though in that it allows you to shed responsibility after the lynch if that person is town.
Now there a lot of small things about prplhz that kinda make me say he's town. The biggest is the way that he treats Palmar's opinion. When I've seen town prplhz play he's always been someone who listens a lot to the opinions of vets that he trusts. Good examples of this are Liar Game (where prplhz basically decides to completely sheep Palmar/Syllo's "I'm King" plan for no other reason than that he thinks Palmar/Syllo is good and trying). Or Pick Your Poison (where he completely shifts his view on what role is good to give to mafia based only on the fact that Radfield argued otherwise). The part in the game where he expresses a small suspicion of marv but then really only fully jumps on it after Palmar agrees with him is something that really strikes me as town prplhz.
On May 01 2012 08:06 prplhz wrote:
I'm feeling like it was a really bad thing that we didn't just have Palmogisfield pick out 6-7 townies and then everybody else should go majority. Imagine if we did this and every townie complied, imagine that. Pretty good. People are all "but there's going to be someone who doesn't do it and then the world will implode and we will instantly lose to scum because of a lot of doomsayery i'm going make up on the spot" and I have no idea where they're coming from.
I'd volunteer to go to the majority 'cause I feel useless anyway. I'm probably going to flip coins until day[9] 'cause you can't have reads before then anyway.
On May 01 2012 05:13 prplhz wrote:
If there's no plan then it's probably going to be 2-4 scum in the majority. If there is a vigilante of sort or other similar role then we can use that to kill of bad guys in the minority.
Since it looks like people don't like round A plans then how about round B plans? I think it was Meapak_Ziphh who said "X votes X+1" and then the minority votes for the townier people. Bad thing is that we don't get majority to vote on anything so no information, and if we just flip coins for round A then people never get to put their money where their mouth is. I'm still for the Palmogisfield-plan (wazzup) where those three just decide whatever and put 6-7 townies in the minority. If we're dissatisfied with their picks then we can just replace some of them tomorrow. Just because we ditched the claim idea doesn't mean we have to ditch everything that any of those said.
On May 30 2012 22:31 prplhz wrote:
Okay I'm convinced by Radfield. Either we get investigative roles we can trust, or we get roles from vigilante/medic/child pool which is pretty sweet. Both child and vigilante can easily confirm themselves and a medic save would extend the game by a full day.
Anyway, I'm voting for role blocker. I was a little worried about role blocker interfering with power roles but the chance of even hitting power roles isn't that big and we shouldn't rely on them too much anyway.
On September 19 2012 06:54 prplhz wrote:The thing that pushed me over the edge with marvellosity was what I mentioned here (and you'll notice that this was before Palmar commented on it). I don't think that town marvellosity would find HiroPro's argument convincing at all. This befuddled me a bit because I'm a slow thinker and admittedly, seeing that a towny looking Palmar saw the same thing as me made me feel more strongly about it. Actually so strongly about it that I voted marvellosity.
The fact that he has a lot of town reads but not much in the way of scum reads is not something that I find suspicious. It fits him.
As for marv, I'm leaning town on him. Some of it is that he's had similar reads to me. Some of it is that he's been willing to further discussion when I think as scum he'd be much more willing to just let town wallow around.
The point that a lot of people seem to like (about marv treating his own OMGUS as a town tell) is not very suspicious at all. marv is actually kind of a huge hypocrite when it comes to himself. The below statement is from movie star. If you look at his filter from movie star, you'll see tons of statements like this. marv genuinely believes that he doesn't do general scummy things when he's scum and that the general scummy stuff he does is actually a sign of him being town.
On June 22 2012 22:53 marvellosity wrote:
That's because my scumplay is so fucking awesome no-one ever suspects me, and so I have very few tells to differentiate my play (as far as I'm aware!).
I agree it wasn't ideal and if I had my time again I'd just answer the question the first time.
Also don't blame me for taking the focus off others. I didn't force you to make your entire post about me, you could have commented on anything else, yet you chose not to.
Palmar's case on marv is honestly not very convincing or good at all in my opinion. It's possible though that he could come up with it as town.
I am completely up for lynching hapahauli today. I have no idea why people think that him being talkative or sharing reads on everyone is a big town tell, because it's something that while townies are more likely to be like that, mafia are certainly capable of playing like. From what little I've skimmed of hapahauli's games he seems to be very comfortable playing an open, active mafia style (Newbie XXI).
If you've missed it, hapahauli didn't remember his own reads:
On September 19 2012 01:11 HiroPro wrote:
As for hapa:
In fact, I'd expect scum to be the people most willing to be jumping on BH's case without so much as a thought. Namely austinmcc and mementoss
Why are you making excuses for voting too early (point 2 + 3)? Cool, you're voting early, no one is suspicious of you for it... and then you make pro-active excuses for it.
hapa was the person who brought up suspicion of Mementoss for jumping onto the prplhz case early. Yet later hapa tried to say that no one was supicious of Mementoss for voting early and says that Mementoss is making unneccessary excuses. When hapa asked me for my thoughts on Mementoss, that was one of the points I brought up. Yet hapa has completely ignored it. So not only did hapa not remember his own read, which suggests it's fake, but then he ignores me when I point out a direct flaw in his case.
His response:
On September 19 2012 01:45 Hapahauli wrote:Have an hour between classes to catch up on the last few pages. Will post as I catch up, but first the recent page of events: @ HiroPro:Show nested quote +
hapa was the person who brought up suspicion of Mementoss for jumping onto the prplhz case early. Yet later hapa tried to say that no one was supicious of Mementoss for voting early and says that Mementoss is making unneccessary excuses. When hapa asked me for my thoughts on Mementoss, that was one of the points I brought up. Yet hapa has completely ignored it. So not only did hapa not remember his own read, which suggests it's fake, but then he ignores me when I point out a direct flaw in his case.
Apologies if I ignored you before - I got caught up in Zeph's case most of last night and didn't think about much else. But you do bring up a good point on that mementoss post (in regards to him defending himself), and I'll concede that as a contradiction. I'll withdraw my vote on MMtoss for now. Also Hiro, I'm also eager to hear what you think about marv's case + vote on you. ##Unvote
Forgetting your own read is a huge mafia tell. Mafia know the answers already. They know who's really town and who's really mafia, so it's hard for them to keep track of the fake feelings that they have about others. Hapa's response to my point (which came well after I made it and only when I decided to pressure him), was basically just to say "Yea that was scummy". That's not an explanation at all and doesn't offer any kind of town motivation. It's the statement of scum that knows they fucked up and don't have a response.
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##Vote Hapahauli
For the other lynches that I see, I'd be in favor of austin. A little bit because of what marv has said (the actual explanations for his obvious comment only coming when under significant pressure.
But it's mostly because of the way in which he's treated the case on Mementoss that he's brought up (not what he's said, which is mostly stuff that could be scummy, but is really mostly just a weak tell, but the way in which he's said it.). I've seen austin come back from generally not doing much and then proceeding to post a case on a fairly new target (he did it in Bureaucracy to Sandroba and then gave a read on GGQ when I asked him).
In that game he was very bold with the way he pushed his case. His thing was completely off but he treated it like a guaranteed case, called out sandroba when no one else was, and just gave off this confident and aggressive attitude. I had found him scummy before that but the way in which he was so bold despite lurking before really struck me as townie.
Look at the way that he's come back from an absence in this game though. He's apologetic about being gone, he's apologetic about offering a new candidate when there are already other options on the table. He at first throws out two names which look fairly easy and then only later once people pressure him for it, does he decide to read through and go somewhere else. This is scummy.
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On September 20 2012 03:22 HiroPro wrote:
For the other lynches that I see, I'd be in favor of austin. A little bit because of what marv has said (the actual explanations for his obvious comment only coming when under significant pressure.
But it's mostly because of the way in which he's treated the case on Mementoss that he's brought up (not what he's said, which is mostly stuff that could be scummy, but is really mostly just a weak tell, but the way in which he's said it.). I've seen austin come back from generally not doing much and then proceeding to post a case on a fairly new target (he did it in Bureaucracy to Sandroba and then gave a read on GGQ when I asked him).
In that game he was very bold with the way he pushed his case. His thing was completely off but he treated it like a guaranteed case, called out sandroba when no one else was, and just gave off this confident and aggressive attitude. I had found him scummy before that but the way in which he was so bold despite lurking before really struck me as townie.
Look at the way that he's come back from an absence in this game though. He's apologetic about being gone, he's apologetic about offering a new candidate when there are already other options on the table. He at first throws out two names which look fairly easy and then only later once people pressure him for it, does he decide to read through and go somewhere else. This is scummy.
I can see where you're getting this, but you should take another look at Bureaucracy. I called out Sandroba because I thought he was actually scum, yes. But I explained that one reason I was pushing it so hard is that I wanted to survive for a while and had seen that newish guy + paranoid case = survive. As long as you don't come off scummy and you generally tank your cred, scum has no reason to kill you and you live for a bit (See: my experience in LV and my explanation for my Bureaucracy conduct). I wanted more days to check more messages that game with my role, so it made sense to play that way. After that, I'm pretty sure I slipped back again and didn't do too much.
I DO think my conduct this game looks scummier than that play. I don't have a townie reason for it. But look at the timing on my return post and the mementoss post. I'm not only looking up mementoss because I'm getting crap for being away. I was actually off looking at things right after returning, and that was already in the works. Reading through some filters wasn't a response to pressure there. It's a way of trying to contribute beyond just saying "Here's some stuff I think about what's already happened that others have probably said."
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Can we get a vote count please?
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