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Blazinghand
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On September 20 2012 04:01 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2012 03:56 marvellosity wrote:
austin:
My reads have fluctuated somewhat from earlier today. I agree with Hiro on the tone of your posts; I had found something off about your demeanour (I had thought it was that you were trying too hard to create yourself a story) and what he says rings true.
My opinion on fuba has edged more towards scum. I find it bizarre that he's willing to vote you, but then pursues posts and content regarding prplhz, while completely disregarding any of the posts that you have made in the interim. If you were his main scumread (especially as most of his case seemed to be your inactivtiy) I would think that he should be interacting with your contributions since. I'd like others' opinion on this.
To BlazingHand: the reason it was a pile of shit is that far more people have expressed the opinion that I'm town or a bad lynch than they have with austin. Corralling people into voting on specific candidates like that is bad play.
To HiroPro: austinmcc did say that in Bureaucracy to be fair to him, or at the very least he said it to me with regards to his play in Bureaucracy. He's not lying about that. You're not going to get a lynch through on Hapahauli at this stage I think, so vote austin with me.
Palmar's absence is fucking pathetic.
prplhz has annoyingly come in to defend himself and then provided nothing else. I'm finding that pretty scummy because it hasn't moved conversation forward. On the flip side, I found Hiro's arguments about how prplhz behaves as town (sheeping strong players) as quite convincing; further I think prplhz's frustration is genuine; I also see (ironically) prplhz's failure to understand that listing townreads with explanation is bad as somewhat townie.
I don't really wanna lynch Mementoss right now. You had some good points but I think his defence is genuine; in addition to this I feel that he's been playing a little lazily, which I can empathise with. In both PTP and LVII too he seemed quite scummy because of a lack of effort at points. I have too much fun with setup speculation, paranoia, and odd plans to just afk as scum. If I ever actually roll scum, I'll end up getting caught doing something, rather than being absent and having 2 retarded posts.
Marv is right: this is literally meaningless. Like... GUGH. I can't even respond to you. What makes you think it's even worth typing this sentence?
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Blazinghand
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On September 20 2012 04:00 Ange777 wrote:Ok, a few things: Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 21:43 Palmar wrote:
I'm not applying meta, I'm applying what's logical to do. There's only two options that make sense from a townie point of view when presented with an accusation like mine. One is to think I'm scum and present a case towards that end, or the other is to think I'm town and wrong, and in that case raging at me doesn't make much sense, should rather just go do something useful.
I think you fucked up, and I think you've proven you're scum. This post by Palmar actually made me reconsider my null/town read on marv. Because it is true, no matter how you put it you really shouldn't care so much about being accused if you are town. Defending yourself excessively or raging is not an option to show your fellow players your town side. You can only prove yourself by actual scum-hunting. I'm a bit more unsure about marv but am still leaning towards a null/slightly scummier read. Nonetheless I still think that the case Palmar made on marv is weak. + Show Spoiler +On September 19 2012 18:13 Palmar wrote:This is why marvellosity is scum: Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 06:46 marvellosity wrote:
P.S the whole point is that iamp's suggestion wasn't random, so we already have a liar. LAL? Possibly a joke, I wasn't in the game when this was written so I don't know how the mood was in the thread. The random lynch suggestion, while strange, bears no meaning to his alignment. This is important: When I joined the game marv had made exactly one post worth reading. It was a long-winded post but it had very little substance to it, at least for someone I would consider a good player. He basically rehashed the reasons why a case against hapahauli was bad (duh) and then proceeded to vote for a lurker. The point is marv was really, really not doing jack shit in the game until I actually came in and called him out on it. He seems to have really changed things up. He even changed his entire attitude to be more badass. If you don't believe me, read his filter before, and after this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=16286762Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 01:35 marvellosity wrote:On September 19 2012 01:33 prplhz wrote:On September 19 2012 01:32 marvellosity wrote:
why do GK and Palmar look town to you, then? Well, goodkarma looks town because he was putting effort into his posts and because he was pushing the right agendas and because he replaced out (sorry, but town replaces out 10 times more than scum). Palmar is looking interested in this game and that's good enough for me for now. You will agree with me that HiroPro's case is not exactly overly convincing. No, it's not convincing, but I found his point about throwing a bunch of new candidates into an already divided town pretty decent. I disagree on GK for the reason I outlined earlier. What I take from this post is that marv for some reason has a problem with me not following whatever trends are already happening in town. The bad thing about replacing in is that you miss a ton of important reactional stuff, the good thing is that you start with a completely unbiased point of view. I decided to post as I read through what had already happened in the game. So, marv's problem is essentially that I had my own point of view. Did you think I wouldn't tell people what I thought about other people in the game? Should I just not call out my reads because they "mess with an already divided town"? It's a real problem when you're actively encouraging people to not read the thread objectively. Unless of course you're scum. Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 02:28 marvellosity wrote:
Palmar's play so far:
1. lol call 3 people scum for no reason
2. give out townreads to make self look townie (wow I can do this too, does this actually give town credit around here now? I should have known)
3. vote someone for no reason
na, piss off Palmar. There is a marked difference between giving townreads for the hell of it, and giving town reads because it's applicable to give townreads. You already know that I hate it when people do the stupid "don't give your town reads" shit. Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 05:34 marvellosity wrote:
also, I'll answer you on Palmar if you can give me a coherent scum motivation behind my blatant OMGUS
gogogo That's not how the game works, if it did you could just OMGUS every time and say "no scum would do that". I take your OMGUS as having almost nothing to do with your alignment, I take your attempt at using it to make you look like town based on that, as very, very indicative of you being scum. Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 05:55 Hapahauli wrote:On September 19 2012 05:52 marvellosity wrote:
I'm amazed you think weak sheeping from a seasoned player is a null tell, hapa. Seasoned players vote like that all the time, and I have yet to connect a mafia-mentality with prplhz. Weak sheeping from a seasoned player can absolutely be null. It's all got to do with how they sheep and why. Not the face-value of just sheeping. We need to kill marv today. Just for effect/emphasis ##Vote marvellosity I have already stated that I don't get the feeling that marv's posting has changed a lot after the Palmar/marv discussion. And claiming that marv was discouraging you from giving your scum reads is a huge stretch. All he asked for was an explanation for your reads, you are totally misrepresenting the facts! And by the way, I too am unsatisfied with the way you are presenting your reads. I have asked for explanations over and over again and you have been ignoring them over and over again. Would you mind to elaborate your thought process? Why is it that people are praising your play when all I have encountered is a very unhelpful Palmar not willing to share his reasonings? How is that town-friendly?
I agree with austinmcc's case that Mementoss does not follow up his questions. I have to read through his filter once more though to give a final stance on him. @Hapa: Show nested quote +On September 20 2012 01:06 Hapahauli wrote:
As for prplhz, I have a townie read on him. Too many people are sheeping his case. Things are coming together too easily. Finally, I don't agree with Ange's case. Ange reads his posts as "useless fluff", and therefore he's scum. I read his posts completely differently, and see a townie who's being open with his suspicions.
For example, look how he voted marv, and explicitly stated he had reservations about it. That's not scum behavior. Voting for someone you don't believe is scum = scum behavior. Voting someone while expressing reservations is a cautious townie. What's the point of including that reservations line as scum? It's just as easy to sheep and tunnel marv without any reservations.
To me, his "reservations" say that he's open about his reads and mentality. I believe prplhz is town. So you are saying that because people are sheeping the prplhz case he has to be town? We haven't once had the majority to lynch him because there has been new cases all the time distracting from prplhz. You claim that you see a town player who is being open with his suspicions? Well, if that was the case, why wouldn't he just state his reservations against the marv lynch? Furthermore, except for the weak case on marv, there has been no scum-hunting at all.
On to prplhz' defense:
On September 20 2012 02:59 prplhz wrote:
I'm already hating it. Why is Ange777 quoting my very first post, some would even argue the very first post of the game and then calling it fluff? That's grasping for any little fucking thing you can find and it makes you look desperate. This doesn't have a lot to do with your case, it's a bad argument but meh, I just don't understand why people write big dumb text wall PBPA and then include every little dumb thing. Do you seriously think that this post is clearly more scummy than townie? No you don't because allegedly you have brain so use it.
I started to dislike your play because I saw similarities from your play last time to your play this time. Being contradicted that your filter in this game has been vastly different than GLS Open, I just wanted to make clear that the length of a filter is in no way alignment showing due to the fact that it's easy to spam or fluff one's filter.
So what if I didn't scum hunt enough for your taste? Tons of other scum hunted less than me because I scum hunted quite a bit, I just mostly found townies which I think is pretty good. Thinking that half the game is >90% sure townies is a pretty good thing for a townie because then he can focus on the baddies. I am giving you my reads you can't expect people to just catch scum. In either case I'm feeling really good about marvellosity and I already told you why and we'll get to that later. It's kind of ironic that you complain about my lack of scum hunting in the same post that you complain about the scum hunting I'm doing.
As for how being the center of attention makes it more easy to scum hunt, that might actually be your opinion but I'm spending waaaaaaaaay too much time responding to shit like this instead of scum hunting. I also don't think that knowing your own alignment and how people react to it is necessarily something that makes it easier to scum hunt because you have to evaluate whether or not what you say is townie if you are being attacked, and the same thing when other people are being attacked you need to evaluate whether or not what they say is townie. Just look at this massive text wall took me ages to write and I'm not even done because there are at least two other people who have voted me for bad reasons since then.
I am not saying that stating town reads is useless. It's just not as helpful as stating scum reads. And it's actually even easier for scum to state concrete town reads, they already know the alignment. And yes of course I am complaining about your lack of scum hunting because I don't think that the case on marv was any good.
Are you for real? Let me analyse this argument to expose how utterly ridiculous it is:
prplhz is scum and because of that he is lazy.
prplhz sees a post and decides that he does not want to read this single post out of the entire game.
prplhz decides that the best thing to do is to write a post in the thread about how he's not reading this post.
If you don't see how ridiculous this is then I don't know what the fuck. It's wrong on so many levels I don't know where to start holy fuck I gotta move on because I am getting so mad.
Okay I calmed down a bit. It's wrong because lazy doesn't mean scum by default and she doesn't argue that it has to mean scum here. Whatever. It's wrong because she's claiming that my lazyness has brought me to not reading this single post, which constitutes I'd say about 0.1% of the thread but whatever. I'd say that lazyness would probably more result in someone skimming the thread and not just skipping stuff. Alright. It is wrong because no scum would think it a good idea to announce in the thread that they're not reading it, when they can just....... not announce it in the thread lol and then read it if they have to or claim that they forgot or whatever the fuck. The scum motivation for this post is infinitesimal compared to how much flak you can instantly catch for admitting not reading the thread. Whatever you guys are dumb if you didn't already realize this.
This argument is so irrationally that I don't know what.
Anyway, I did read his post I just think that the Kenpachi Rule Extended is bullshit so I was discouraging further use of it. I didn't want Zephirdd to hide behind a dumb rule that I think is a null tell for the entire game (or even for a day).
Yes you are right. Lazy does not always mean scum. But why wouldn't scum state that? Having so many players venting their (sometimes fake) anger, you could fool someone by saying outrageously that you generally don't read anything related to the Kenpachi/Zeph rule. But this is just one part of my case so let's see your defense for the next accusations.
So what? You are grasping for straws and it's looking ridiculous to be honest. If you need to make a case then drop the irrelevant parts or at least put them in a spoiler and mark it "TOTALLY IRRELEVANT". Two posts are useless jokey posts? So what?
Again, this was for showing that the a big filter does not necessary mean that you had contributed a lot.
I already explained why I don't think so. Palmar was reading up on the thread and posting (some would say spamming) quite a bit, it looked like he was just posting whatever was on his mind while catching up on the thread. It was 20 hours into the game and there were no serious lynch candidates around. Townie Palmar also just says whatever the fuck he wants (I remember a game where he fake claimed day vigilante and threatened another dude who happened to actually be a day vigilante and then he flipped out and shot somebody just because Palmar was buddying with him, pretty hilarious and shows how Palmar plays; he just plays) and we weren't in a situation where we had to focus because we had plenty of time before deadline. Palmar also has really good first impressions and day1 reads. It was all too dumb to say that he was scum because he spoke his mind about what he saw in the thread and there are plenty of reasons for that for someone who is competent as marvellosity is.
So that means that I can't expect Palmar to back up his reads with proof or explanation? You are totally missing my point. My point was that marv has every right to ask for an explanation when someone just dumps a read into the thread without any proper reasoning. And that this should not make him scummy.
marvellosity can do the OMGUS as town or scum but I consider it more likely that he does it as scum because it's not a town move. The OMGUS served just to make him look bad which is generally not something scum do but it's over the top and dumb when he can just argue. Why is he flipping out like that just because some dude said "u scum m8" instead of keeping his cool?
That's just WIFOM. I already mentioned it earlier, yes the raging makes him scummy but that's not enough for me to vote him.
And why aren't you commenting at all on your "reservations" against marv?
I'll post this stuff now as I am only at page 25 with reading.
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I like what Ange has said here and this deserves to be on the top of a page and not at the bottom.
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On September 20 2012 04:02 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2012 03:56 austinmcc wrote:On September 20 2012 03:47 Blazinghand wrote:On September 20 2012 03:43 austinmcc wrote:
On September 20 2012 03:32 Blazinghand wrote:Here are the reasons Mementoss is scummy:1) unwilling to take risks, instead asks questions in this post. 2) responds to Hapa in a kind shitty way (link) but hapa's initial questioning is basically a huge over-reach in terms of interpretations of Mementoss' reasonings. On September 20 2012 03:38 Blazinghand wrote:
Those of you who think you're on real wagons (the ones on austinmcc, marvellosity, and mementoss) you gotta realize nobody's joining you. You should all combine into one super-wagon and pick up the stragglers to avoid a no-lynch, preferrably on marvellosity. Ideally though guys like HiroPro and iamperfection will pull their heads out of their asses and stop wasting their votes even harder than the dudes on the 2-vote wagons.
I'll take a look at autinmcc now. If you find mementoss scummy, and prplhz isn't happening, are you switching? He may only have 2 votes to prpl's 5, but a swap from you, who says he's scummy, makes it 3-4. Ange says she's rereading, bluelightz...had mementoss scummy then switches because of an answer he gave to a follow-up question? Are you fucking serious? Am I switching from a highly scummy player who's close to getting lynched to a slightly scummy player who has very few votes? I don't know what you're smoking but it sounds like it makes for a pretty good party. Yes. I'm entirely serious. I didn't ask, HEY BH U WAN SWITCH?! I asked whether, if prplhz wasn't happening, you would switch. I don't exactly find it ridiculous to see whether you'd switch from someone you find scummy to someone you also find scummy. But then you bring up the 2 votes vs 5 situation, which is why I think you may or may not be shitting me. If prplhz isn't happening and there's only 2 votes on mementoss, why the hell would I ever switch to him? He's not even my second-highest scumread and like nobody thinks he's scum.
His two voters think he's scum.
You called him "scummy." Marv noted some good points in a case on him. Ange was rereading and is currently at: Iagree with austinmcc's case that Mementoss does not follow up his questions. I have to read through his filter once more though to give a final stance on him. . Palmar is unknown. Bluelightz previously voted him and then unvoted for a reason that looks ridiculous.
Moreover, I don't actually see anyone saying "MEMENTOSS IS TOWN." People are actively saying they have townreads on prplhz. NOBODY seems to be doing that with mementoss, correct me if I'm wrong here. If you don't want to mislynch so bad, if that's the worst option, then why is voting for the candidate that everyone finds scummy and nobody is REALLY stepping up to defend (and that you admit has some scummy points, in the only spot you recently discuss him) such a bad course of action in your mind?
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k, I'm switching to austin. His responses to me are trash.
##Unvote
##Vote austinmcc
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Blazinghand
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Wow there was a hanging quote mark in there somewhere. Fixed:
On September 20 2012 04:00 Ange777 wrote:Ok, a few things: Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 21:43 Palmar wrote:
I'm not applying meta, I'm applying what's logical to do. There's only two options that make sense from a townie point of view when presented with an accusation like mine. One is to think I'm scum and present a case towards that end, or the other is to think I'm town and wrong, and in that case raging at me doesn't make much sense, should rather just go do something useful.
I think you fucked up, and I think you've proven you're scum. This post by Palmar actually made me reconsider my null/town read on marv. Because it is true, no matter how you put it you really shouldn't care so much about being accused if you are town. Defending yourself excessively or raging is not an option to show your fellow players your town side. You can only prove yourself by actual scum-hunting. I'm a bit more unsure about marv but am still leaning towards a null/slightly scummier read. Nonetheless I still think that the case Palmar made on marv is weak. + Show Spoiler +On September 19 2012 18:13 Palmar wrote:This is why marvellosity is scum: Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 06:46 marvellosity wrote:
P.S the whole point is that iamp's suggestion wasn't random, so we already have a liar. LAL? Possibly a joke, I wasn't in the game when this was written so I don't know how the mood was in the thread. The random lynch suggestion, while strange, bears no meaning to his alignment. This is important: When I joined the game marv had made exactly one post worth reading. It was a long-winded post but it had very little substance to it, at least for someone I would consider a good player. He basically rehashed the reasons why a case against hapahauli was bad (duh) and then proceeded to vote for a lurker. The point is marv was really, really not doing jack shit in the game until I actually came in and called him out on it. He seems to have really changed things up. He even changed his entire attitude to be more badass. If you don't believe me, read his filter before, and after this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=16286762Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 01:35 marvellosity wrote:On September 19 2012 01:33 prplhz wrote:On September 19 2012 01:32 marvellosity wrote:
why do GK and Palmar look town to you, then? Well, goodkarma looks town because he was putting effort into his posts and because he was pushing the right agendas and because he replaced out (sorry, but town replaces out 10 times more than scum). Palmar is looking interested in this game and that's good enough for me for now. You will agree with me that HiroPro's case is not exactly overly convincing. No, it's not convincing, but I found his point about throwing a bunch of new candidates into an already divided town pretty decent. I disagree on GK for the reason I outlined earlier. What I take from this post is that marv for some reason has a problem with me not following whatever trends are already happening in town. The bad thing about replacing in is that you miss a ton of important reactional stuff, the good thing is that you start with a completely unbiased point of view. I decided to post as I read through what had already happened in the game. So, marv's problem is essentially that I had my own point of view. Did you think I wouldn't tell people what I thought about other people in the game? Should I just not call out my reads because they "mess with an already divided town"? It's a real problem when you're actively encouraging people to not read the thread objectively. Unless of course you're scum. Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 02:28 marvellosity wrote:
Palmar's play so far:
1. lol call 3 people scum for no reason
2. give out townreads to make self look townie (wow I can do this too, does this actually give town credit around here now? I should have known)
3. vote someone for no reason
na, piss off Palmar. There is a marked difference between giving townreads for the hell of it, and giving town reads because it's applicable to give townreads. You already know that I hate it when people do the stupid "don't give your town reads" shit. Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 05:34 marvellosity wrote:
also, I'll answer you on Palmar if you can give me a coherent scum motivation behind my blatant OMGUS
gogogo That's not how the game works, if it did you could just OMGUS every time and say "no scum would do that". I take your OMGUS as having almost nothing to do with your alignment, I take your attempt at using it to make you look like town based on that, as very, very indicative of you being scum. Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 05:55 Hapahauli wrote:On September 19 2012 05:52 marvellosity wrote:
I'm amazed you think weak sheeping from a seasoned player is a null tell, hapa. Seasoned players vote like that all the time, and I have yet to connect a mafia-mentality with prplhz. Weak sheeping from a seasoned player can absolutely be null. It's all got to do with how they sheep and why. Not the face-value of just sheeping. We need to kill marv today. Just for effect/emphasis ##Vote marvellosity I have already stated that I don't get the feeling that marv's posting has changed a lot after the Palmar/marv discussion. And claiming that marv was discouraging you from giving your scum reads is a huge stretch. All he asked for was an explanation for your reads, you are totally misrepresenting the facts! And by the way, I too am unsatisfied with the way you are presenting your reads. I have asked for explanations over and over again and you have been ignoring them over and over again. Would you mind to elaborate your thought process? Why is it that people are praising your play when all I have encountered is a very unhelpful Palmar not willing to share his reasonings? How is that town-friendly?
I agree with austinmcc's case that Mementoss does not follow up his questions. I have to read through his filter once more though to give a final stance on him. @Hapa: Show nested quote +On September 20 2012 01:06 Hapahauli wrote:
As for prplhz, I have a townie read on him. Too many people are sheeping his case. Things are coming together too easily. Finally, I don't agree with Ange's case. Ange reads his posts as "useless fluff", and therefore he's scum. I read his posts completely differently, and see a townie who's being open with his suspicions.
For example, look how he voted marv, and explicitly stated he had reservations about it. That's not scum behavior. Voting for someone you don't believe is scum = scum behavior. Voting someone while expressing reservations is a cautious townie. What's the point of including that reservations line as scum? It's just as easy to sheep and tunnel marv without any reservations.
To me, his "reservations" say that he's open about his reads and mentality. I believe prplhz is town. So you are saying that because people are sheeping the prplhz case he has to be town? We haven't once had the majority to lynch him because there has been new cases all the time distracting from prplhz. You claim that you see a town player who is being open with his suspicions? Well, if that was the case, why wouldn't he just state his reservations against the marv lynch? Furthermore, except for the weak case on marv, there has been no scum-hunting at all.
On to prplhz' defense: Show nested quote +On September 20 2012 02:59 prplhz wrote:
I'm already hating it. Why is Ange777 quoting my very first post, some would even argue the very first post of the game and then calling it fluff? That's grasping for any little fucking thing you can find and it makes you look desperate. This doesn't have a lot to do with your case, it's a bad argument but meh, I just don't understand why people write big dumb text wall PBPA and then include every little dumb thing. Do you seriously think that this post is clearly more scummy than townie? No you don't because allegedly you have brain so use it. I started to dislike your play because I saw similarities from your play last time to your play this time. Being contradicted that your filter in this game has been vastly different than GLS Open, I just wanted to make clear that the length of a filter is in no way alignment showing due to the fact that it's easy to spam or fluff one's filter. Show nested quote +So what if I didn't scum hunt enough for your taste? Tons of other scum hunted less than me because I scum hunted quite a bit, I just mostly found townies which I think is pretty good. Thinking that half the game is >90% sure townies is a pretty good thing for a townie because then he can focus on the baddies. I am giving you my reads you can't expect people to just catch scum. In either case I'm feeling really good about marvellosity and I already told you why and we'll get to that later. It's kind of ironic that you complain about my lack of scum hunting in the same post that you complain about the scum hunting I'm doing.
As for how being the center of attention makes it more easy to scum hunt, that might actually be your opinion but I'm spending waaaaaaaaay too much time responding to shit like this instead of scum hunting. I also don't think that knowing your own alignment and how people react to it is necessarily something that makes it easier to scum hunt because you have to evaluate whether or not what you say is townie if you are being attacked, and the same thing when other people are being attacked you need to evaluate whether or not what they say is townie. Just look at this massive text wall took me ages to write and I'm not even done because there are at least two other people who have voted me for bad reasons since then. I am not saying that stating town reads is useless. It's just not as helpful as stating scum reads. And it's actually even easier for scum to state concrete town reads, they already know the alignment. And yes of course I am complaining about your lack of scum hunting because I don't think that the case on marv was any good. Show nested quote +Are you for real? Let me analyse this argument to expose how utterly ridiculous it is:
prplhz is scum and because of that he is lazy.
prplhz sees a post and decides that he does not want to read this single post out of the entire game.
prplhz decides that the best thing to do is to write a post in the thread about how he's not reading this post.
If you don't see how ridiculous this is then I don't know what the fuck. It's wrong on so many levels I don't know where to start holy fuck I gotta move on because I am getting so mad.
Okay I calmed down a bit. It's wrong because lazy doesn't mean scum by default and she doesn't argue that it has to mean scum here. Whatever. It's wrong because she's claiming that my lazyness has brought me to not reading this single post, which constitutes I'd say about 0.1% of the thread but whatever. I'd say that lazyness would probably more result in someone skimming the thread and not just skipping stuff. Alright. It is wrong because no scum would think it a good idea to announce in the thread that they're not reading it, when they can just....... not announce it in the thread lol and then read it if they have to or claim that they forgot or whatever the fuck. The scum motivation for this post is infinitesimal compared to how much flak you can instantly catch for admitting not reading the thread. Whatever you guys are dumb if you didn't already realize this.
This argument is so irrationally that I don't know what.
Anyway, I did read his post I just think that the Kenpachi Rule Extended is bullshit so I was discouraging further use of it. I didn't want Zephirdd to hide behind a dumb rule that I think is a null tell for the entire game (or even for a day). Yes you are right. Lazy does not always mean scum. But why wouldn't scum state that? Having so many players venting their (sometimes fake) anger, you could fool someone by saying outrageously that you generally don't read anything related to the Kenpachi/Zeph rule. But this is just one part of my case so let's see your defense for the next accusations. Show nested quote +So what? You are grasping for straws and it's looking ridiculous to be honest. If you need to make a case then drop the irrelevant parts or at least put them in a spoiler and mark it "TOTALLY IRRELEVANT". Two posts are useless jokey posts? So what? Again, this was for showing that the a big filter does not necessary mean that you had contributed a lot. Show nested quote +I already explained why I don't think so. Palmar was reading up on the thread and posting (some would say spamming) quite a bit, it looked like he was just posting whatever was on his mind while catching up on the thread. It was 20 hours into the game and there were no serious lynch candidates around. Townie Palmar also just says whatever the fuck he wants (I remember a game where he fake claimed day vigilante and threatened another dude who happened to actually be a day vigilante and then he flipped out and shot somebody just because Palmar was buddying with him, pretty hilarious and shows how Palmar plays; he just plays) and we weren't in a situation where we had to focus because we had plenty of time before deadline. Palmar also has really good first impressions and day1 reads. It was all too dumb to say that he was scum because he spoke his mind about what he saw in the thread and there are plenty of reasons for that for someone who is competent as marvellosity is. So that means that I can't expect Palmar to back up his reads with proof or explanation? You are totally missing my point. My point was that marv has every right to ask for an explanation when someone just dumps a read into the thread without any proper reasoning. And that this should not make him scummy. Show nested quote +marvellosity can do the OMGUS as town or scum but I consider it more likely that he does it as scum because it's not a town move. The OMGUS served just to make him look bad which is generally not something scum do but it's over the top and dumb when he can just argue. Why is he flipping out like that just because some dude said "u scum m8" instead of keeping his cool? That's just WIFOM. I already mentioned it earlier, yes the raging makes him scummy but that's not enough for me to vote him. And why aren't you commenting at all on your "reservations" against marv? I'll post this stuff now as I am only at page 25 with reading.
I like what Ange has said here and this deserves to be on the top of a page and not at the bottom.
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On September 20 2012 04:05 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2012 04:02 Blazinghand wrote:On September 20 2012 03:56 austinmcc wrote:On September 20 2012 03:47 Blazinghand wrote:On September 20 2012 03:43 austinmcc wrote:
On September 20 2012 03:32 Blazinghand wrote:Here are the reasons Mementoss is scummy:1) unwilling to take risks, instead asks questions in this post. 2) responds to Hapa in a kind shitty way (link) but hapa's initial questioning is basically a huge over-reach in terms of interpretations of Mementoss' reasonings. On September 20 2012 03:38 Blazinghand wrote:
Those of you who think you're on real wagons (the ones on austinmcc, marvellosity, and mementoss) you gotta realize nobody's joining you. You should all combine into one super-wagon and pick up the stragglers to avoid a no-lynch, preferrably on marvellosity. Ideally though guys like HiroPro and iamperfection will pull their heads out of their asses and stop wasting their votes even harder than the dudes on the 2-vote wagons.
I'll take a look at autinmcc now. If you find mementoss scummy, and prplhz isn't happening, are you switching? He may only have 2 votes to prpl's 5, but a swap from you, who says he's scummy, makes it 3-4. Ange says she's rereading, bluelightz...had mementoss scummy then switches because of an answer he gave to a follow-up question? Are you fucking serious? Am I switching from a highly scummy player who's close to getting lynched to a slightly scummy player who has very few votes? I don't know what you're smoking but it sounds like it makes for a pretty good party. Yes. I'm entirely serious. I didn't ask, HEY BH U WAN SWITCH?! I asked whether, if prplhz wasn't happening, you would switch. I don't exactly find it ridiculous to see whether you'd switch from someone you find scummy to someone you also find scummy. But then you bring up the 2 votes vs 5 situation, which is why I think you may or may not be shitting me. If prplhz isn't happening and there's only 2 votes on mementoss, why the hell would I ever switch to him? He's not even my second-highest scumread and like nobody thinks he's scum. His two voters think he's scum. You called him "scummy." Marv noted some good points in a case on him. Ange was rereading and is currently at: Show nested quote +Iagree with austinmcc's case that Mementoss does not follow up his questions. I have to read through his filter once more though to give a final stance on him. . Palmar is unknown. Bluelightz previously voted him and then unvoted for a reason that looks ridiculous. Moreover, I don't actually see anyone saying "MEMENTOSS IS TOWN." People are actively saying they have townreads on prplhz. NOBODY seems to be doing that with mementoss, correct me if I'm wrong here. If you don't want to mislynch so bad, if that's the worst option, then why is voting for the candidate that everyone finds scummy and nobody is REALLY stepping up to defend (and that you admit has some scummy points, in the only spot you recently discuss him) such a bad course of action in your mind?
You clearly didn't read my list of priority lynches, or my actual analysis of Mementoss. Unless there's a serious change in the vote layout, I'm not voting him today, and that's final.
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On September 20 2012 04:06 HiroPro wrote:
k, I'm switching to austin. His responses to me are trash.
##Unvote
##Vote austinmcc
Gave you some differences between bureaucracy and here. Gave you the reason that I played like I did in bureaucracy.
As to your questions about the prplhz/bluelightz question, is there ANY actual good explanation? I don't think there is. You can vote me because of that post, but you shouldn't be voting me based on my responses. That post sucked ass. It's not the sort of thing you can shine up and make pretty with an explanation. It's nitpicky, but ... there's seriously no good explanation there, so there's no non-trashy response.
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EBWOP: prplhz/bluelightz POST*.
Seriously though, take a step back. There's no good answer to your question there, no good reasoning that COULD be put behind that post. It's a stupid post, maybe you can vote me off of it. But my response being bad is not a good reason to vote me when there's no good response.
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
Blazinghand's Ghetto Votecount:
austinmcc ( 3 ) Marvellosity, mkfuba07, HiroPro
marvellosity ( 2 ) Palmar, prplhz
prplhz ( 5 ) Ange777, blazinghand, bluelightz, Mementoss, Zephirdd
Zephirdd ( 1 ) iamperfection
Mementoss (2) Austinmcc, Hapahauli
Presently, no one is set to be lynched, because of an alarming headpant epidemic! 1.75 hours remain in Day 1 !
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On September 20 2012 04:17 Blazinghand wrote:
Blazinghand's Ghetto Votecount:
austinmcc ( 3 ) Marvellosity, mkfuba07, HiroPro
marvellosity ( 2 ) Palmar, prplhz
prplhz ( 5 ) Ange777, blazinghand, bluelightz, Mementoss, Zephirdd
Zephirdd ( 1 ) iamperfection
Mementoss (2) Austinmcc, Hapahauli
Presently, no one is set to be lynched, because of an alarming headpant epidemic! 1.75 hours remain in Day 1 !
I changed my vote
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
Blazinghand's Ghetto Votecount V2.0 (now with candy):
austinmcc ( 4 ) Marvellosity, mkfuba07, HiroPro, iamperfection
marvellosity ( 2 ) Palmar, prplhz
prplhz ( 5 ) Ange777, blazinghand, bluelightz, Mementoss, Zephirdd
Mementoss (2) Austinmcc, Hapahauli
Presently, no one is set to be lynched, because of an alarming headpant epidemic! 1.75 hours remain in Day 1 !
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I don't even understand this game anymore.
Here's the deal. prplhz isn't scum. There was a legit concern earlier that he might be but anyone that still thinks he's scum has their heads faaar up their asses.
mementoss is probably not scum.
marv and austinmcc both have a good chance of being scum, but I feel considerably better about marv. It's also very strange how hard it is to get any kind of a train rolling against marv. I've already explained why this guy is the one that needs to hang today.
Can we consolidate there, please?
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also, looks like hiro and marv are both voting for austinmcc, which makes it less likely that he's scum at face value, although that's a very sketchy way to think about anything. Still, just confirms to me that it's not austin but marv we should be hanging tonight.
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On September 20 2012 04:09 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2012 04:06 HiroPro wrote:
k, I'm switching to austin. His responses to me are trash.
##Unvote
##Vote austinmcc Gave you some differences between bureaucracy and here. Gave you the reason that I played like I did in bureaucracy. As to your questions about the prplhz/bluelightz question, is there ANY actual good explanation? I don't think there is. You can vote me because of that post, but you shouldn't be voting me based on my responses. That post sucked ass. It's not the sort of thing you can shine up and make pretty with an explanation. It's nitpicky, but ... there's seriously no good explanation there, so there's no non-trashy response.
Your responses aren't scummy by themselves, but they do nothing to actually convince me that you're town. Even if I completely disregard the meta from bureaucracy, the way that you came back is still scummy. Your responses have just been the final part in that you say stuff like "I DO think my conduct this game looks scummier than that play.", which is completely useless. I don't know what a townie response to my point about prp/bz would be because it's incredibly hard for me to believe that a townie would lightly pick two candidates like that when they were actually building a case on someone else.
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@Iamperfection:
Are you just completely in sheeping mode now??
On September 20 2012 03:45 iamperfection wrote:
I will follow the two guys I think are town.
## unvote
## vote austinmcc
Bear in mind you yourself said the following:
On September 19 2012 11:44 iamperfection wrote:
So my current view is your scum and that mkfuba is terrible town.
So you'd rather sheep two players where you believe one of them to be a terrible player than vote on your own?
And no, I'd rather lynch prplhz who still is my top scum read than Mementoss. Yes, he makes himself scummy but I am far more convinced by prplhz' being scum than Mementoss.
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On September 20 2012 04:21 Palmar wrote:
I don't even understand this game anymore.
Here's the deal. prplhz isn't scum. There was a legit concern earlier that he might be but anyone that still thinks he's scum has their heads faaar up their asses.
mementoss is probably not scum.
marv and austinmcc both have a good chance of being scum, but I feel considerably better about marv. It's also very strange how hard it is to get any kind of a train rolling against marv. I've already explained why this guy is the one that needs to hang today.
Can we consolidate there, please?
Why not consolidate on Austin if you think he is scum he has 4 votes
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On September 20 2012 04:23 Ange777 wrote:@Iamperfection: Are you just completely in sheeping mode now?? Show nested quote +On September 20 2012 03:45 iamperfection wrote:
I will follow the two guys I think are town.
## unvote
## vote austinmcc Bear in mind you yourself said the following: Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 11:44 iamperfection wrote:
So my current view is your scum and that mkfuba is terrible town. So you'd rather sheep two players where you believe one of them to be a terrible player than vote on your own? And no, I'd rather lynch prplhz who still is my top scum read than Mementoss. Yes, he makes himself scummy but I am far more convinced by prplhz' being scum than Mementoss.
It seems pretty reasonable to me I'm usable not unrobe when I think someone is town. So why wouldnt I.
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On September 20 2012 04:21 Palmar wrote:
I don't even understand this game anymore.
Here's the deal. prplhz isn't scum. There was a legit concern earlier that he might be but anyone that still thinks he's scum has their heads faaar up their asses.
mementoss is probably not scum.
marv and austinmcc both have a good chance of being scum, but I feel considerably better about marv. It's also very strange how hard it is to get any kind of a train rolling against marv. I've already explained why this guy is the one that needs to hang today.
Can we consolidate there, please?
well done for saying absolutely nothing.
Stellar play right here.
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On September 20 2012 04:22 Palmar wrote:
also, looks like hiro and marv are both voting for austinmcc, which makes it less likely that he's scum at face value, although that's a very sketchy way to think about anything. Still, just confirms to me that it's not austin but marv we should be hanging tonight.
Oh I didn't see that nvm
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Quoting a post and stating it's saying nothing doesn't magically make it become nothing.
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