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On September 15 2012 13:58 Stutters695 wrote: Don't worry. I'll have more time this game so we can switch places from xxvi and I'll be super active and you can lurk then confirm yourself with a vig shot :p. Just don't be like me and shoot the medic. XD Hahah sure thing | ||
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On September 18 2012 10:48 kushm4sta wrote: I am so fucking sick of lurkers from last game. #1 They make the game shittier regardless of if they are scum. #2 They are 100% null reads all game long. You ask them a question and of course they aren't going to responsd because they post like 1 thing a day and dont even read the thread. #3 It gives scum safe people to accuse. Most of the time they aren't mafia but in the 2 games I played both of them had semi-lurker mafia. Lurker Policy: LYNCH ALL LURKERS, semilurkers at the top of the lynch list if we don't have a very strong scumread to bandwagon. Hey hold up! I have three more days till the midsemester break so just letting you know now I will be (should be{so many assigments}) fairly inactive till then. (first day and night) On September 18 2012 11:11 RemedySC wrote: Lurkers are a minor annoyance sure, but I think just lynching based on lurker status could end up hurting us more so as the game progresses. Lets focus on getting a mafia lynch for the first day. I prefer this approach if we can do it however if we have no solid reads at all then I guess lurker lynching is the way to go.(obviously) Also so many surveys? This always confuses me as to what the point is (much like list making) However I guess I can complete a few... 1. Will you be around for lynch time? It's a little early waking up before 10 is not my strong point but I can set an alarm if it is a crucial lynch mylo lilo 2. How active do you plan on being? Much more active after the first night (game time) But I will have a birthday and will be going out a fair bit. But halfway through day 2 I should become normaly active. 3. How many games have you obsed? One 4. Is this your first game playing? no 5. If not, how many games have you played? 1 6. Is this your first time playing as scum? no? lol On September 18 2012 15:40 Sonic Death Monkey wrote: A good policy, however, is to not answer questions intended for someone else. Whether accusations are valid or not they may induce interesting reactions, so please stop defending other players. Yeah I did this a lot of last game... Turned out to be a bad thing as people often set traps for people to answer, However Sonic happened to be "setting traps" as scum last game so you can't look too far into that. | ||
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*facepalm* ok kush... the only reason you would get night killed is if you contribute to the thread in a meaningful way. Being scared of an Nk will only make you not contribute meaningfully and end up useless. There isn’t much by way of reads to go on yet but because of what’s happened I can list the top suspicions I have. Sonic is here because he is a freaking genius and the whole list thing is always a strange topic. I also can’t help but notice he side mentions me in his post in reply to thrawn. On September 18 2012 16:34 Sonic Death Monkey wrote: You want to accuse me, but you still don't want me to explain? You're not giving my argument a fair representation. I still think lists is a good idea if they're limited to your ~3 top suspects AND include your reasoning. That way it's easy to follow a player's thought process through the thread wrt to his key reads (instead of reads being blended into a wall of text, hi there Jacob). That's what I suggested. And you're suggesting I was hiding behind lists. I never made any long ass lists, which a lot of other players did. While I haven’t seen your town meta I notice you did this all of last game (side mentioning people and not making it obvious you were going at them) and ended up scum. On the flip side (yes I am doing this again) I doubt you would draw this much attention to yourself early considering what happened last game concerning lists. Also the survey while I did it was mostly pointless... unless it was purely designed to trap scum with that last question. (Which while it would be hilarious if it worked is unlikely) Thrawn, Lynch the last person in the thread are you serious? That’s like.... stupid.... even as a way to encourage discussion the likelihood if hitting scum in that scenario would be really low compared to finding people based on reads or even inactivity. It would only create discussion that would be as effective as just picking a random person. As for Drazak and Kush I am still unsure. They OMGUS each other so much it’s insane. (Almost as much as I do...) Admittedly it could be an attempt by kush to stir up trouble so I will have to watch these two closely. (Also I don’t think drazak was a trash town last game I mostly thought he was town until he cracked under pressure) Everyone else I am meh on at the moment. Not enough to go on as most don’t have a meta or have said anything of use. | ||
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Continuting to read the thread will comment as I go them probably comment more at the end. I will spoiler my thread rambling so it is easier to read. + Show Spoiler + Wait what? Killing is acting odd. Will get to this later I guess. He seems really in to the votes aren’t permerment and throws them around a lot without much reason... Sonic is going at Debears... and killing jumps on immediately? Heat is on Killing and debears. On September 19 2012 03:27 drazak wrote: Hey bro, I asked him some questions, lets let him answer before we form any opinions. IMO it seems that whenever someone defends osmeone before they answer questions relating to an FOS, it gives them some security and takes the pressure off considerably. Without pressure there's no point in doing an FOS. TBH I think it's kind of funky that you're defending people kush, lets be real here, this is about finding mafia, not making friends Aww but friends are good! But it is true you should only really search for friends late game when you can have at least one solid town read. On a side note drazak seems to be frustrated however he is frustrated with kush which I can understand. Thrawn points out there might not be an Sk good thing to note. + Show Spoiler + Kush thinks of a scum team day one... oh good he says it is speculation. Sharrant drops the kush case when it seems to not go in his favour. Then votes debears, who is still not conviced debears is mafia. Thrawn calls him out on it, thrawn highly defensive but I know I get defensive of people who defend me as well. (Ok I will leave the read though ramble for a minute) Sharrant looks strange, he is randomly voting for someone who doesn’t seem suspicious to him.. just saying *commence rambling again* + Show Spoiler + Woah! Sharrent goes full out and then gets shut down... Yeah watch sharrent. Now he wants a role claim... I knew this thread would get interesting. Lolz supersoft... Ok I have reached the end of the thread. I am going to stay mostly away from the thrawn kush sonic debacle for the moment it’s not as clear as it should be. FOS Killing And FOS Debears FOS Sharrent Ok killing is acting very strange. I do see his point (alongside Sharrent) about using a vote as a tool not a weapon however he isn’t providing much if any evidence to back up his votes. He is almost talking about reasons for what he does (with Fos and voting) before he does it. Maybe trying to spread confusion in a way that looks town. Last game as town he seemed to be much for active in a useful way at the start of the game however this could be down to time zones and such. Debears, his defence of thrawn is either a scum hold trying to latch himself to a town or a town who is too inexperienced to want to go out with a solid scum read first. Both are plausible I will need more time to work out which is which. However thrawn is very defensive of him so if we do get a flip either by Nk or lynch it might mean something. Sharrent is under suspicion for what I listed in my talk though of the thread however reasons such as Sk suspicions before night 1 voting for people while saying they are not suspicions (scum motivation for this if they flip town) The only question is Would a mafia bring this much attention to themselves? He is playing really aggressively. Also interesting how he says how he would act as a SK and the role claim thing could really only help mafia. However taking a tip from your book... I would be happy to vote sharrent for the moment at least. I will reread the thread when I get back and probably be able to post a bit. In any case I should be able to manage one ok sized post at night. (as well as minor posts in the day as I get time) ##Vote: Sharrent | ||
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However I would disagree with this On September 19 2012 12:00 kushm4sta wrote: ##vote debears I would be open to changing my vote to cubu. Personaly I would lynch killing over cubu as while cubu is lurking more he hasn’t said anything suspicious. (Mainly because he has said nothing at all) Whereas killing said he was writing a post, then went in lurk mode. And voted debears based purely on Sonics post without saying what he agrees with or disagrees with. That said where on earth is stutters? His only post is in regards to kush not wanting to be night killed. Something everyone jumped on. I have to admit that does make him look suspicious considering he said he would be super active pregame. On September 15 2012 13:58 Stutters695 wrote: Don't worry. I'll have more time this game so we can switch places from xxvi and I'll be super active and you can lurk then confirm yourself with a vig shot :p. Just don't be like me and shoot the medic. XD Considering an active lynch is risky (unless someone comes up with a rock solid argument) I want to put the pressure on Stutters in particularly and killing. If both of these suddenly become active in a good way then I will probably either stay on sharrant (although this is getting a little less likely) or cubu (although I really don’t want to considering last game) | ||
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On September 19 2012 13:58 KillingTime wrote: I just woke up - yeah I meant to post more last night but couldn't for irl reasons. Sorry I know that looked bad. Yeah it looks really bad, that said assuming you are mafia you would probably do everything you could to get a post out to avoid this... (as in last night although you would probably also do a post like this anyway) | ||
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So I still have my vote on Sharrant for the moment as I think it is stronger than the debear case. (debear{btw I love that name} case being he has sheeped onto thrawn it seems) However I really want to look at stutters and I want answers from him. First he lurks to the point I forgot he was in the game (literally). Them both his posts are in regard to kush something everyone agreed was stupid. (in other words a safe argument) And he virtually says the same thing both posts. On September 18 2012 16:31 Stutters695 wrote: EBWOP: Instead of coming up with useless excuses for bad play before you've even really started playing. FoS kushm4sta On September 19 2012 15:52 Stutters695 wrote: Why were you honest about this? Telling everyone you're going to avoid getting night-killed so you can maintain a pointless streak serves no purpose from a town perspective. All it does is provide excuses for you for any potential bad play and if you're town waste time on unnecessary discussion. Also as I pointed out before he isn’t really here... considering he said pregame he has lots of time this give me cause for concern. Surely he would talk about the Debear case, the sharrant case (his only mention of this is one line in question to kush) at least to get the discussion rolling... So in other words, stutters looks scummy to me. Oh and one more thing. Cubu, I have no problem policy lynching this guy. Not purely because of policy but he says he is busy with assignments (which I can understand I have my own assignments as well the only reason I am posting this much is because I am addicted to this game -_-) However he made no mention that this would be a problem before the game. Just one more thing but I would only lynch him if I couldn’t be happy with a good scum read. I would also like to note I am not sure what the risk reward cycle sharrant would have is... he posts a lot and seems seriously committed to the game. Because of this for the moment I will actually change my vote to stutters. However without seeing his meta I can’t really say and he could be a committed scum. However my biggest scum read right now is stutters so until further notice I will vote stutters. For transpanancy my biggest scum reads are stutters followed by sharrant so if no stutters lynch is about to go down I will vote sharrant over debear. ##unvote Sharrent ##Vote: Stutters695 | ||
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Why have you not chimed in on the other cases? (I guess because you are lurking derp) and... what do you think of the other cases? | ||
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Oh and don't remind me about the weetee thing... that was probably the worst I have ever been manipulated in my life... I couldn't get over that... So I guess the question to the thread is do we lynch a lurker like cubu (seems to be lurking the most) or go for stutters lurking partly and apears scum (at least to me or go for /debear/sharrant? Both active but suspisious people. I still think stutters because he seems to be lurking and scum but at the moment I seem to be alone in this opinion. | ||
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That said. I still want stutters to respond to my questions before. So #FOS Stutters ##unvote Stutters695 ##Vote: Sharrent Also should we update the voting as we go? Debears: 4, Sharrant: 4. Switches: Sharrant from Kushm4sta to debears JacobStrangelove from Sharrent to Stutters695 JacobStrangelove from Stutters695 to Sharrent | ||
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If he is town he will role claim as vanilia town if he is cop or anyother blue role he will role claim as vanilia town if he is mafia he will role claim as vanilia town if he is Serial killer he will role claim as vanilia town... now you mentioned before this means mafia can't change there role late in the game but neither can the blue... Also it's semi open set up we could have two cops as far as I know... (unlikely though) Also saying there is a huge chance of failture seems like allowing yourself a way out of the lynch if it goes go wrong. | ||
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Sharrent whaa? Honestly have a headach right now... (however I will quickly jump to drazak) jumping right into the thread like that is really really odd... That said sharrent switching votes mid post because of it has me confused. Without momentum at least. I wouldn’t put serial killer past him considering he brought it up. I can kinda understand you if you are mason but... I can see what you are trying to do (use town cred to get yourself a lynch{I did this last game}) but it’s far too early in the game to even attempt that. Without a bread crumb that is significant I don’t understand how this is supposed to work. For sure if you have a mason partner he can’t claim but if you are mafia you could be using the many mason groups argument to your own advantage. Switching over to killing case I can see how he fits lurker scum but also I don’t think he is more scum than stutters or drazak. | ||
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Also just noticed killings post, I think I know the answer to that but I shouldn't say just incase. | ||
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On September 20 2012 13:54 thrawn2112 wrote: After posting this near lynch deadline Yeah but drazak seemed more town than killing, when I was refering to the killing being less that the lukers I was talking about stutters/cubu the two main lurkers under fire at the time. On September 20 2012 13:54 thrawn2112 wrote: Sharrent was also willing to vote for killing Yeah? I thought that was my point. I might have missed something though. | ||
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Oh I see what happened... While reading the thread I switched my thoughts of who I thought was scum, but obviously never mentioned it as this was my first post back. Also yeah that is my read on sharrent. I still need to proccess the fact that he called out who he says is his mason partner. but you have to realise cubu isn't in the thread to verify this. He could have been betting on cubu being mod killed to avoid retrubution or he could have simply called it out to trade one mafia for town instead of one mafia for nobody. | ||
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You say the only way sharrant is scum is if cubu is scum. I have to admit I feel I have made a mistake with my sharrant read but there is also as sonic said (and as I said before him) the chance he is scum hoping to get one town instead of just dying. (with cubu being town and the town he gets being drazak) However if we have a replacement then we probably don’t need to bother looking into this too much as this will either be confirmed or denied. @sonic When did I go poof? If it was before the lynch then there is an obvious reason. I listed even before any of this happened I have classes on this day at this time (I can bring up a time table if you really want...) If it was after the lynch I don’t have a reason apart from being really tired. Also Chaos can be an opportunity for scum to exercise great power as well... You seem to forget they could arrange/create the Chaos in the QT and then put it into action when the time comes. (preemptive strike)It wouldn’t be easy but not as hard as you probably think. While it can and is at times really useful for town to role call late (although don’t do it right after I leave the thread kinda rubs me the wrong way{in regards to actually backing up the role claim that is}) but mafia can also be the ones creating it thus in some form of control. However I do see the difference from role calling a few hours from the thread and 1 minute.... I will probably re-read the whole thread in the light of the lynch and considering I am not as tired now however considering it is night (in game) I might try and work on getting both my assignments done tonight(irl) and have more time tomorrow. That said I will still post tonight. | ||
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The only thing he said about drazak before the flip and last minute vote is that he doesn’t seem connected to the two mafia reads at the time. On September 19 2012 11:58 Atreides- wrote: Also I don't see how drazak is connected at all with debears/thrawn. The only thing he's posted on the topic isn't even significant: + Show Spoiler + On September 19 2012 03:23 drazak wrote: As far as looking at Debears goes, I think it's a dead end, I'd definitely like to see his response, but I don't think your reasoning was very good kush, you yourself have show how saying something would look from each perspecting, which is exactly what Debears was doing. IN addition, it's an examination of motives, which is important, everyone has a motive. So it seems he didn’t think drazak was mafia so a no lynch over someone he doesn’t have any read on would be better. Looking at stutters filter the only thing I have on him is that he continues a dead topic and doesn’t appear to have posted as much as I would have expected. (also note he hasn’t been in the thread since the flip) and that is it. I would move onto kush but I keep running into road blocks in my argument against him. I will post what I was going to say if you want but at first I thought he was even more bi-polar style of posting than normal but then he seemed to be set on getting debears. I have noticed he seems more emotional in this thread for some reason. (as in more than normal{maybe trying to get people upset? It worked because of it drazak got annoyed and ended up lynched}) Reading his filter he does mention how sharrant would be a very odd mafia to play like that (and now we almost 100% know he is mason) I guess that is town creed. However he blatantly bandwagons onto drazak. Then he says he wasn’t scummy. On September 20 2012 09:09 kushm4sta wrote: My thoughts on killing vs drazak. drazak I didn't even think drazak is scummy. I just voted for him now because of the last minute omg we need to vote for someone confusion. 1 he is not that scummy. a lot of scumhunting and nothing that strikes me as a huge scumslip 2 he's not even a lurker. I thought he was more of a lurker but I just went through his filter and I would not consider him a lurker. killingtime i was in the process of reading his filter just now, but i just realized the deadline already passed. so fail. however before On September 19 2012 04:27 kushm4sta wrote: If I had to call a scum team right now it would be Thrawn debears drazak just because they are all defending each other at this point. The only I would be willing to lynch though is debears. Before you jump down my throat I know it's too early to call scum teams and this is pure speculation. I don’t really have much more I should probably do a if I die post but I really doubt that will happen. On a side note I would like to see more from Rbemedy; he is talking but I am not getting much of a read either way and that worries me. Almost as much as killing time does; (mostly related to the fact killing was the lynch everyone was happy to do but nobody really considered.) I will probably look into debears more in light of what I found in kushs case and then go back to see how the killing/drazak quick lynch panned out. | ||
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On September 21 2012 02:29 kushm4sta wrote: The test did not go well...all these unit conversions that I had no idea I had to memorize. You too? I am so depressed right now... I know I have completly messed something up but... I digress. @ thrawn I assume you are talking about this? + Show Spoiler + In that post he lists a bunch of scenarios and in 2 of them he advises lynching killing or cubu. He says the best option is option 2 which is if sharrant outs a mason and the mason confirms then we lynch cubu or killing. Sharrant ended up outing cubu as a mason so obviously cubu would no longer be his lynch choice which leaves killing as his preferred option. Of course cubu didn't confirm... but it still looks liek a contradiction because of how much he had talked about lynching killing in that post But then he comes into the thread and said he would have preferred a no lynch and that "There weren't any exceptionally strong arguments against killer / drazak." His lynch reads before the cubu reveal were killing, stutters, and cubu but then later he says he wants a no-lynch because there weren't any good lynch candidates? in reference to his post about + Show Spoiler + I feel that both Killing and Stutters are slightly scummy/lurky but cubu sounds like a strong vote as well. I was hoping for him to post by now. He says cubu is "strong" and killing stutters are either slightly scummy or lurky. So the most he said they were is slighly scummy and the least was Slightly lurky. I still feel he is indecisive but I do see that he did at least have a slight read. The problem with saying something like slight is how slight? Also I do agree about Debears latching on to you (was one of my first posts just everything else got in the way) Still need to go though his stuff side by side with your filter. (also if he does latch in all but one thing how on earth haven't you noticed it until now) | ||
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On September 21 2012 09:21 kushm4sta wrote: I think he's implying that he got roleblocked. I lol'd On September 21 2012 09:15 kushm4sta wrote: So this mean there probably is no sk right? I can see scenarios where scum or sk got blocked, or they both nk the same person. But until we actually see evidence of SK we should treat this game like there is no sk. No... I have never played with or seen a SK played before so I am in the deep as regards to how he would play. Sharrant seems to know it well though and I would like him to elabarate considering what he said seemed to happen. However we probably should play normaly until we see signs of an Sk anyway. (at least until day three) Also farewell Sonic, I hope you live your ghosthood as you lived your life. (or something...) | ||
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On September 21 2012 08:22 Stutters695 wrote: I brought up the no lynch because Sharrant mentioned he was one vote away from being hammered (I think that's what l1 means) and when I checked the rules post on voting it didn't say anything about a no-vote which is essential to know should we hit mylo and I'd rather not risk noticing it now but not asking until it's relevant since we might not get an answer instantly. I'll be periodically phone posting tonight and back on my pc tomorrow (real time EST). Once, I was going at him before considering pre game he said he would be super active and he isn't... however more importaintly. The thrawn debears situation. I doubt they are both mafia due to thrawn mentioning a role block and the fight seems genuine. However thrawn has made a few mistakes in logic recently (most notabily the miss step in times that he posted) and I still think his case on Atreides at least considering the last minute post isn't sound. Atreides did post strange after the flip I admit though. Anyhow, The misstep in times is more likely to be done by town than mafia in my opinion because as mafia you would want to be absolutely sure of when everything happened where as town are more likely to read filters and make assumptions. (imo anyway) For example a scum wouldn't point out that He copied Debears assuming the idea wasn't original. (in the case of thrawn being scum) Because of this I Think debears is more of a target than thrawn but also more of a target than Atreides. However both Stutters and Remedy need to post more, stutters I can't get a solid read on it's more a feel read(because he doesn't post a lot) and Remedy just isn't really here. | ||
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On September 21 2012 11:42 kushm4sta wrote: I just want to update the thread on my thoughts since I'm going to be pretty afk for a while (sleep then class then work). Thrawn: im waiting for other people's input. I have to say though claiming roleblock like that seems pretty town to me. 1 I dont think it's a lie and 2 why would scum share that information. I don't know what to think about it honestly. Debears: I read through this guy's filter, tried to expand my case against him to be more than just "thrawn copycat," but I came up with nothing to say. I mean his recent play doesn't impress me but it doesn't set off any whistles either. There are a lot of people who have been very off my radar and I need to give them a closer look. Killingtime mainly but there are others. It doesn't set off any whistles as such but the likelyhood of thrawn and him to be scum together is low, I think thrawn is more town than scum however looking from it purely from the view point that thrawn is scum it is possible that debears read the previous posts and had a crush on thrawn. | ||
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On September 21 2012 13:10 thrawn2112 wrote: If the reasoning behind that is that he is trying to save his strongest town read then it would have gone to either of the 2 confirmed masons. Anyway there are tons of possible explanations of the roleblock and no reason to believe any of more than any other so I'd rather not speculate about it. He could have gone with a WIFOM theory though. However yeah discussing the role block possibilitys this early in the game doesn't exactly help. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + I’m getting more and more tired again however I will move onto kush. I don’t think anybody denies kush is hard to read. But I will list the things of meta that I know about kush. He posts a lot he tends to be spazzy and is highly illogical. That said don’t know what his mafia meta is like (I imagine it would be similar) and he seems to be more so strange than usual. For one he is more bi-polar than usual. (last game he was pretty sure on his reads and I had to force him to change) I am tired to I will just copy paste. I am looking to step up my play this game. Last game was quite humbling for me. I made a lot of bad calls, and d1 caused a mislynch >< IM SORRY CUBU Very next post If you write 1 post a day but it's a brilliant epic post then that's cool with me. I can be realistic about people's busy schedules. And that is WAY better than a few little posts with no content. .. and I'm looking at you STUTTERS, DRAZAK, and ESPECIALLY CUBU who were all town last game but pretty trash town. While this isn’t a read it goes from Sorry to YOU’RE TRASH. But I will get to the actual reads now. Oh lol, just ran into this by kush. You call me insincere because at first I say sorry cubu for bandwagoning him last game, then I call him out for lurking? I am not going to make a case against him for lurking, but I think a COUPLE words saying so and so are lurking we still need a post is fine. And yeah I will say cubu played really really bad last game. I wont apologize for saying that. I'm still sorry for lynching him. I was not trying to start a flame war for with cubu, I was just trying to get him to post. I think encouraging lurkers to post by calling them out or asking them questions is productive. Making cases against lurkers is not productive. (this part is from today) So with this I kinda stopped because his filter was large and I needed sleep, I still didn’t end up sleeping for a while after but in anycase. Ok this is where I left off my kush thoughts however now I will continue from a point I can analise just before the mason claim. Before the mason claim you write this. On September 20 2012 05:34 kushm4sta wrote: OK so as I see it here are our options atm: Sharrant, cubu, killing. Killing is not that much of a lurker. He's not lurker enough to even be considered a lurker IMO. Killing is scummy looking to me, but he looked that way last game too. Then when he realises another bandwagon is needed he says On September 20 2012 07:22 kushm4sta wrote: we need an alternate bandwagon and we need it fast. I like debears if people really don't want to lynch a lurker. I like another lurker as the best choice though I'm not sure which one I would pick now. drazak maybe? I want to here what other people think. we need an epic swift band wagon of justice or we are going to get a no lynch He dropped his killing idea entirely he said it was because he didn’t have time to read killings filter but assuming he didn’t leave there is a hour gap at least before the vote. Killings filter isn’t that large. and if he thought he was scummy before surely he wouldn't need to read that much filter to catch up... Also he says this On September 20 2012 09:14 kushm4sta wrote: yeah i don't consider drazak to really be a lurker. and yeah the only reason i voted for him was total 100% bandwagon ill admit it lol When just before he mentioned Drazak maybe? There must be some reason for this... He probably made a hint at a bandwagon and then pretended he jumped on it 100% bandwagon style because he “had no say in the matter” He didn’t jump on the bandwagon he planted the seed... He said to go for drazak over killing, The only mention I could find before this was sharrent saying he would go for drazak but then saying killing or drazak. So my theory is kush sees this jumps on drazak with the one line instead of killing (why?) Are they both scum? Who knows but in anycase it worked sonic went on drazak and sharrent went on drazak. Sharrent was on him already but he is almost 100% confirmed town now, sonic is confirmed town and kush looks to be the one who jumped in on the flow of things. | ||
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Then I and sharrent would be the only active towns in the thread (I am getting more and more active as I finish assigments) and if one of us was to die in the night the thread would fall apart. I am still not buying the Atreides argument but I need to get more familar witht he case on regent. From what I can see it looks stronger thant he case on Atreides. Also I am still watching debears but his posts are getting better. Only problem can thrawn and Debears really both be town? | ||
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On September 21 2012 15:53 Sonic Death Monkey wrote: ***********dead************ Whacking me while I'm on vacation is so fucking rude. Town, avenge me death please. /obs ***********dead************ Well nobody else is posting I might have dinner and come back to it later. Sure thing, Sonic shall be our battle cry! We will destroy all Mario(get it mafia {im so funny}) fans and such. | ||
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Why would you do that? What do you gain from it? (apart from a social life) Please elaborate. | ||
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I am guilty of it as well but I was actually doing it on purpose. To be clear my defense against lurking is not "hey I did it on purpose", it's "hey I will not be lurking anymore now" k... oh I think I see what you mean now. You said you did it on purpose, but the actual defence is you won't anymore. Still saying you did it on purpose is a defence as well. I mean I guess time will tell but this was really strange the way you went about it. Going into a game thinking "hey lets lurk to test how lenient people are" is really bad. Also funny you mention if AFTER we start discussing that going after active people might be a bad idea. | ||
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But it really seems that playing mafia is really not for me. Did I miss sarcasm or is this a scum slip? Or does he mean playing mafia would not be me. Or is he... Thrawn you seem to know what does he mean? lol. | ||
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Scum have plenty of reason to lie, town don't. Just say he was town.. he wouldn't see himself as more a target than anyone else who is lurking. I think guilt gave him away. Also if he is town and lies.... then he is playing the game very wrong... | ||
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Also Kush you seem extra annoyed, I would almost say you are over doing yourself. Kush is currently one of my largest active scum reads. His meta seems to be himself plus a bit extra, however as it was mentioned before we probably should focus more on the lurkers incase we lose a active town(we have so few of these or even posibilities for these). (note: kush was pushing on someone I see as an active town in the form of thrawn{also kush if you could answer my previous argument it would be good}) | ||
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On September 22 2012 00:16 Sharrant wrote: Also, especially with the new players joining it's imperrative you check the spelling of people's names. Honestly, my name was misspelled ninety percent of the time on Day 1, it got a little annoying. And some of them were really funny on other people, like Atreides had his name bombed pretty hard. I have to apologise for this, I have a horrible memory when it comes to names.. That said I will probably sleep now (try and reset my schedual) so I will see you all in the morning. | ||
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On September 22 2012 00:43 kushm4sta wrote: /Flame on + Show Spoiler + We were town buds last game but this game I don't respect you at all. You are mostly afk basically for the first day. You make posts but they have a sum total of 0 content. You circumlocute, you say some obvious shit. The only thing that is keeping me from suspecting you is the fact that you also made no sense last game. I don't know maybe you should stop playing for a while until you learn the english language? Ouch... you really do take OMGUS to a new level. I am going to wait a minute so I don’t do the same. Yes we were town buddies last game, this is part of the reason I thought you were just acting like your normal self at the start. But you are acting like your normal self + annoyed and angry. You mentioned a test before did it really go that badly? Yes I was mostly afk by my standards, but my standards were still posting more than most people while busy with assignments. Why would I try to post as much as I can? If I were mafia I would have remained low key. Also part of the reason I messed up was because I am committed to this game. Even when I was completely exhausted(and frustrated) I make several posts because I wanted to be in this game (although I was tired to the point where I was miss reading stuff) That tired as mafia I would never post in this thread it would be insane. I am going to ignore the part about making no sense last game and needing to learn English as that will only get me angry. My point is you seem to be far more emotional and frustrated without reason... Thrawn might be scum, but the fact is you were pushing on someone who also had the potential to be the best poster (with our two confirmed town afk) However incase you are town it would be detrimental to lose you (same with thrawn) so I will move onto the lurkers. I have to admit Thawns logic isn’t completely easy to follow sometimes and his case on atreides did seem odd. But I will update my thoughts on the Daniel Ion case Rethos was scummy before he lied scummier after lying and almost impossible to read after he is gone... One thing I will say is Thrawn and kush are going in circles... Daniel points this out however at the same time he tries to get the focus off that onto his remedy case. On September 22 2012 06:15 Dandel Ion wrote: This isn't constructive. Talk about something else pls. Like my Remedy case. I like my Remedy case. Who else likes my Remedy case? Who doesn't like my Remedy case? Pls include reasons. While I will talk about this it is just something that stood out. I could have confirmation bias though. Also while with reason he goes on Remedy that was also the biggest bandwagon before he was underfire. However onto remedy. Yes he sheeps onto bad plans especially ones that would get multiple town killed. He also wasn’t around in a crucial time and comes in 9 min late(I am paraphrasing some of what thrawn wrote) However one hole I found in his case so far is ________________________________________ On September 21 2012 09:42 RemedySC wrote: Okay, I don't think mafia got lucky in killing a blue. Looks like other than the Sharrant read, Sonic's biggest read was Atreides-, Debears, and Killing. All three have had good arguments made against them. Possibly they they thought Sonic might have more info. ________________________________________ Remedy this post sets off my scum alarms. I son't have any evidence (and neither do you) why mafia would have killed sonic other than that he was really townish and I don't think anyone suspected him. So when you start talking about how they might have killed him because of his reads it just makes me think there's some manipulation going on behind his nightkill and your post. Now you seemed to miss this On September 21 2012 09:44 RemedySC wrote: EBWOP - I mean I think Mafia got lucky that Sonic was a blue. Still suspicious but not as suspicious, also here On September 21 2012 13:01 RemedySC wrote: You know, I could see sonic role blocking you. His power also allows him to save someone, if his strongest town read was you, then he would use it on you. He could have been trying to make thrawn look less like town, because if mafia did block him (and he didn’t lie about it) then thrawn is more likely to be town. On September 21 2012 14:43 RemedySC wrote: Just re-read this post and want to address it. I acknowledged an idea, that is all. Nothing ever came of it afterwards. He draws attention to an idea but nothing happens with it (because no town jumps on?) In other words I do think regent looks scummy. So does now Daniel ion though. Who looks worse? Rethos made a very impressive slip though, but should we give Daniel the time for him to convince him he is town? However now I move onto stutters. Twice consistently he comes in after someone calls him out. Three posts in what 48 hours? I have posted cases about him in the past for not lurking when he said he had time ect… and he sheeps onto drazak along with most people though. It’s a pity it’s harder to find stuff with him because he has lurked so much. I know there is something else I was going to say but I forgot… On September 22 2012 04:00 thrawn2112 wrote: Lol in my first mafia game as town I got really baked and then I lurked in the thread taking notes and making theories. I took a nap, woke up and proceeded to make the mother of all scummy-sounding posting sprees. So if you're town then my advice is: don't play this game high, don't even read the thread. So you believe the boredom claim no matter if he is town or scum right? Is there a reason for you doubting he's scum or is it just a gut feeling? 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On September 22 2012 11:05 thrawn2112 wrote: I could switch to remedy. I've been thinking over the fact that my #1 scumread (rethos) is most suspicious of my #2 (remedy) scumread but I don't really know what to make of it, at least until 1 of them flips. Yeah I just pointed this out | ||
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On September 22 2012 13:36 kushm4sta wrote: I said it before and I will say it again. The measure of a lurker is not his post count, it's not his word count. It's matter of contribution to the scumhunt. Jacob is an active lurker, and that reeks of scum. Can anyone even remember a stance jacob has taken? Remedy, killing, stutters, atreides, I can remember something about all of them without even looking at their filter. Jacob has been all about the bandwagon, and the half hearted accusations. This is the second post against me.. where is the vote? Not even a fucking FOS. First of all I wouldn’t vote for you because I feel we should lynch lurkers second I am not prone to FoSing people. (yes I did at the start of this thread but as you should know from last game I hardly ever fos’d people) I prefer to let my words and commitment to people speak for themselves. Also I wasn’t conviced as much by atreides being scum and was probably one of the first to go after stutters. Another thing to note is I was the first one to go at rethos after his spastic posts and his lying. If he is mafia and I am mafia then I would wait and hope it wasn’t noticed. If I was town and he was mafia I would obviously jump on him, If I was mafia and he was town then I would wait for someone else to pick it up so it wouldn’t seem obvious... Also yes I am going after those other people, But I provide reasons I think they are scum point out reasons that other people have said that are good and point out reasons there arguments might not be as strong as they think. I am not mindlessly band wagoning as you seem to think. On September 22 2012 13:36 kushm4sta wrote: @jacob So according to this statement, we shouldn't be scumhunting active people? We should and I am, but we should focus on a lurker lynch over an active lynch. If we happen to lynch an active player that is town we basically lose the game. Assuming a NK goes though then we lose two active town players and all we have left are lurkers. There are scum for sure in the lurkers I am almost convinced that either Daniel or remedy are scum and I also think stutters is scum. On September 22 2012 13:36 kushm4sta wrote: In the next part of the post he casts suspicion on dandel for trying to get people to focus on remedy. But the suspicion is so soooo slight. Read the part where he suspects dandel for shifting focus to remedy. His suspicion has the force of a feather. Then he suspects remedy, yes the same remedy he chides dandel for investigating. I didn’t chide dandle for investigating him I just noticed how he seemed to be using it as a distraction. I am not going to lie it is a slight suspicion. But you have to understand this is on the back of all the lying rethos did. On September 22 2012 13:36 kushm4sta wrote: Here is my jacob impersonation: This guys kinda scummy, so is this guy. Who is scummier? Should we let them convince us who is scummier? Well this well is dry time to move on. So far he has made no definitive statements, and he's already moved on to his 4th suspicion, stutters. And here he reiterates the scumminess of stutters afk timings. To accuse stutters right now makes sense, but it is also safe as fuck. Everyone is suspicious of stutters. People need to answer these questions to find out the truth. I already have stated who I think is scummier but having the vote on Daniel. That is a pretty definite statement don’t you think? I already pointed out I have been suspicions of stutters even before this huge afk gap. I was the one to bring up the fact that he said he would be active before the thread even started. On September 22 2012 13:36 kushm4sta wrote: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I have 1 game experience with jacob, and he can be hard to understand. But this is the same jacob as in last game. I don't know who obsed last game but killing you were there till the end. Do you concur? No this is not the same Jacob as last game, my clone look a vacation. I assume you are trying to say is this the same Jacob? You tell me to learn English... | ||
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On September 22 2012 14:21 kushm4sta wrote: edwop this is NOT the same jacob lol Ha serves you right, now about scum reads. Dandel/stutters/kush/remedy. However I think remedy and danel both being mafia is unlikely. Yes I would be willing to go for stutters for obvious reasons. The entire thread I have been going at him but haven’t been able to come up with a large enough argument due to him lurking. Also yeah I honestly thing that scum voted for drazak and with stutters kush both being scum reads I wouldn't dispute this. I doubt there is a hole in the mason claim if there is well.... (who is yourharry?) I am not convinced about 3 but stutters is lurking at the same time. I think 4 is true, I am noticing the same synergy I was getting with kush last game. (although that part of it is a feel read) | ||
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On September 22 2012 14:29 thrawn2112 wrote: Jacob, (and actually everyone else who's done this) I don't like "if I was mafia" arguments. Because if you are mafia, then obviously you will lie about what you would do if you were mafia! Lots of people have been making those arguments this whole game and I actually start getting suspicious when I see them. At best it gives a null read on your true intentions. Hmm that is true... I am just putting in what I would do as mafia but I see your point. | ||
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This is relient on a few factors though, however even if he isn't Sk he is very likely to be mafia. For the reasons I have been listing along everyone elses arguments. Also Tommorow is sunday morning and also my birthday so I will be awake a few hours before the lynch but I might have to pick my sister up so.. Lynch time is 10 my time I should be up around 7-8 so this time if someone is going to rolecall do it then or before lol. I should be up to late tonight and I don't plan on drinking that much... | ||
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I think someone or something has his dandel's nerve. His posts against remedy and debears seem full of hit nerves. However considering stutters doesn't seem to be connected to dandel (if anything I would say dandel remedy have one scum in them at least but I can't see any connection to stutters at this point in time) and considering he is posting I am willing to give him the extra day to prove himself. Stutters hasn't posted much at all, seems scummy etc.. listed it all before so if he doesn't come in to the thread without an amazingly good argument or role call he can back up I will change my vote to stutters. Oh also happy birthday to me! | ||
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On September 23 2012 02:42 sharky246 wrote: I'll be asleep when the lynch deadline occurs and im just about to sleep now so i will make this real quick. Stutters said he will not be here till sunday night at least, possibly come in on monday, so he is PROBABLY not gonna make the lynch deadline. Because he might get modkilled, our votes could be wasted on him, although he is pretty scummy. Infact i probably would have voted for him otherwise. The next scummiest person after him imo is Dandel Ion. It's 3am and i need to get to sleep so see ya all tomorrow. if he does it would be a waste of a vote yes. ok I think if I take the votes propperly then it comes out to this Dandel Ion (5) - JacobStrangelove, debears, Sharky246 Stutters695 (3) - kushm4sta, Dandel Ion, RemedySC RemedySC (1) - thrawn2112, Kushm4sta, KillingTime, + Show Spoiler + ##unvote vote remedysc Sharrant Canada. September 23 2012 04:48. Posts 64 PM Profile Quote # filter ##unvote Ok: ##unvote ##vote RemedySC it's tied up three three three. I notice three of the people I think are scum are on stutters with stutters being my 4th scum read. We have one confirmed town on dandel and one confirmed town not convinced. I will post this now while I think but I have serious doubts about stutters now. | ||
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Dandel Ion (3) - JacobStrangelove, debears, Sharky246 Stutters695 (2) - Dandel Ion, RemedySC RemedySC (3) - thrawn2112, Kushm4sta KillingTime, because I didn't think dandel and remedy were a team, and there is always the possiblility killing is scum (just not as obvious) but I think I will ignore stutters if he is likely to be mod killed. Now I am almost 100% sure there is scum in dandel or remedy just which one is it. | ||
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Dandel Ion (3) - JacobStrangelove, debears, Sharky246 Stutters695 (1) - RemedySC RemedySC (4) - thrawn2112, Kushm4sta KillingTime, Dandel Ion | ||
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Well, I didn't really have a case against rethos until he flipped out. Since he was replaced Dandel (while a little riled in places) has posted often and does have town motivations behind this. (although is a little spastic with his votes) remedy has a more solid case behind if we ignore the rethos flip out. ##unvote ##vote Remedy | ||
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None of those things are particularly conclusive, but I think if Remedy flips scum then Dandel would be a good spot to start tomorrow. Yeah I haven't accosiated them so far, if remedy flips scum my immediate scum read is kush with less a focus on dandel. If he flips town then the roles are reversed. | ||
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Kushs filter I don't know where the fuck this remedy shit is coming from I'm not totally into the stutters lynch. he cases thrawn and killing just made against remedy actually do look quite strong. the case.against stutters is.mostly about his afk timings also this bandwagon on remedy.. it kind of spooks me how there was no resistance to it at all. nah I don't like this. anyone want to switch back to stutters? remedy lynch is based on feel reads and presumed scumslips. he doesn't care about who gets lynched... how the fuck does that make him scum? anyone want to swtich back to stutters? ... | ||
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On September 23 2012 07:37 kushm4sta wrote: you don't get modkilled for not voting... we learned this already... stop spreading misinformation Based on mods discretion, I mentioned it might not happen but imo likely to happen. | ||
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I am going to start with my largest scum read kush, I am going to go though his entire filter start to end listing everything I find scummy all... 9... pages... First he seems to have an attitude problem from the start. Because this will be a long post (will probably split up the post for different people) I will spoiler most of the posts. [spoiler On September 18 2012 10:48 kushm4sta wrote: ][/spoiler]I am so fucking sick of lurkers from last game. #1 They make the game shittier regardless of if they are scum. #2 They are 100% null reads all game long. You ask them a question and of course they aren't going to responsd because they post like 1 thing a day and dont even read the thread. #3 It gives scum safe people to accuse. Most of the time they aren't mafia but in the 2 games I played both of them had semi-lurker mafia. Lurker Policy: LYNCH ALL LURKERS, semilurkers at the top of the lynch list if we don't have a very strong scumread to bandwagon. He comes into the game annoyed, now normally kush gets annoyed he OMGUS’s people and he rages. But not right off the bat. He seems to be nicer... This part is only a feel read but remember kush and I got to know each other very well last game and we created almost a love story atmosphere. That has not happened this game. We don’t have two towns trying to win the game here we have something entirely different. Also another thing he proposes an introduction that isn’t entirely needed. And does the sorry cubu and I hate cubu in the next post thing. This is back to my meta feel read but I think he is trying too hard to act like himself. + Show Spoiler + And I like to attention whore esp day 1. and If you accuse me of being scum I will omgus and start a flame war with you just because im really sensitive and hate being called scum. drazak knows what I'm talking about. Im trying to play better this game though so f u thrawn. Gives a reason for him omgusing people, this allows him to flame people without logic (something a scum would need later into the game) if he was really trying to improve his game why would he go with omgus flame and not logic? (notice his case on me only came up after I pointed out him as being a high scum read) + Show Spoiler + On September 18 2012 12:08 kushm4sta wrote: remedy getting a good scum read d1 is impossible. It's the easiest thing ever for scum to look like town day 1. Unless we have no lurkers, we should lynch the biggest lurker or the scumiest semilurker but please not someone active. Minor thing but he keeps on about the lurkers while stating he is going to be insanely active (although he has been soo...) Also he goes on about the night kill thing. Is he really that bothered? Does he really think he is a good enough player for that? Considering thrawn is in the thread and he has no reason at this point to suspect him could he be trying to convince people that he is scum by pretending to be worried? (notice when I ask questions like this my own answer is often yes{and he is my biggest scum read as I will continue to go on about}) Could he know that thrawn is mafia so that is why he is “worried”. (at this point haven’t looked into thrawn so this is speculation) This is what I found in page one. Page two. (and one post from day one) + Show Spoiler + On September 19 2012 01:17 kushm4sta wrote: posting on the phone. marv made it seem like in pregame chatter that roles aren't random. so that gives me an innate doubt that sonic would roll mafia again. however I put it in spoilers because I don't believe a case should ever be based on that <_M<+ Show Spoiler + On September 19 2012 01:17 kushm4sta wrote: posting on the phone. marv made it seem like in pregame chatter that roles aren't random. so that gives me an innate doubt that sonic would roll mafia again. however I put it in spoilers because I don't believe a case should ever be based on that <_< he could be confused at this point but with all the other circumstantial evidence and solid evidences I am bringing up this doesn’t help matters. Also he was right... this far into day one See his day one post + Show Spoiler + On September 18 2012 20:56 kushm4sta wrote: @Thrawn: I don't think sonic's survey is particularly scummy. He did the same thing last game. He was scum last game, sure, but I think it's just his MO for day one, scum or town. Also here is why I think sonic is town. I'm putting my reasoning in spoilers because admittedly it's pretty dumb: + Show Spoiler + He was scum for the last 2 games. Do you really think marv would make him scum 3rd game in a row? It's possible but just feels unlikely to me. He has seen one game of sonic, and he says even with sonic being mafia and going on about lists last game that his list making this game is town meta... Looks like he had insider information to me. Back to page two. He FOS’s killing and defense debears then in the next post he FOS’s debears. Then he makes a stupid argument with a scum team day one. (although this is kush’s meta{the stupid part}) + Show Spoiler + On September 19 2012 05:51 kushm4sta wrote: @thrawn you say I made a straight up lie and that's not an accusation I take lightly. if anything it was an exaggeration and not a lie. I don't want to spend a lot of time discussing my scumteam theories, because while I think they help in looking for cases, they do not constitute a case. but I don't like being called a liar so here goes. drazak is connected by saying killing is more suspicious than debears. he says they can't both be mafia so therefore debears isn't mafia. That is the classic mafia defense..defending a teammate by attacking the attacker. and you have defended debears. So that was the basis for that comment. Is it a real case against you? no. Is it a lie though? also no. Now while he is right it may not be a lie but why exaggerate like this? To make someone look worse than they actually are. + Show Spoiler + On September 19 2012 07:32 kushm4sta wrote: Actual lol at supersofts interruption. Wtf is sharrant talking about with this roleclaim? He thinks debears is mafia and wants him to roleclaim that he is mafia? Huh? @sharrant Can you explain this statement? If you mean you want him to roleclaim as blue that is pretty scummy. BTW I'm not as convinced that you are scum as thrawn and sonic so don't get all pissy with me. Role claim comes out and he isn’t suspicious. (Notice this is the second time we have a confirmed town that he isn’t suspicious of right off the bat) Considering his play style is send around accusations like it is nothing he is suddenly a lot more passive. (ok this is a very slight read on this part but I am going though everything) + Show Spoiler + On September 19 2012 11:02 kushm4sta wrote: Thrawn I think you are referring to when sharrant voted for debears right after saying he's not the most suspicious person. People are misunderstanding how some people use ##vote. They use it like ##fos basically and just change their vote a bunch of times throughout the day. I do not think there is anything inherently scummy in that. + Show Spoiler + Whaa? Biggest back flip in the world. He says sharront isn’t scummy because he votes for someone who isn’t his highest scum read. Now we know almost 100% know sharrent is town. But kush seems to know this way back. He probably though “sharrent is probably going to get lynched for being stupid so let’s defend him without reason or cause because I am stupid and mafia and don’t know how to hide the fact I know stuff” (ok maybe minus the second part but kush has succeeded in annoying me to say the least) He continues to go on debears for sheeping (which could be the case I will do a debears case later after my thrawn dandle cases) but when I do go though it I will look at the possibility of a bus or scum etc... Now on to page three... + Show Spoiler + On September 19 2012 11:46 kushm4sta wrote: Killingtime is missing. Seems pretty convenient that he goes missing as soon as the heat is off him. But for now there are more important matters to discuss since I doubt a banwagon on killing is happening. Says a bandwagon on killing won’t go down? It’s like halfway though day two of day one (confusing I know) but there is plenty of time to go at killing why ignore him? (possible scum partner in killing{I will list this in a separate note pad so I don;t forget the connections that could be possible(remember my Wifom case are insane when there is less people{still a lot of people though})) + Show Spoiler + On September 19 2012 12:13 kushm4sta wrote: I think he is very scummy and honestly the only reason I let up on him was because he accused debears who I thought was more scummy. This could be the moment he realised they both ganged up on the same person. + Show Spoiler + On September 20 2012 00:11 kushm4sta wrote: @sharrant Here's what this line of reasoning looks like me. It looks like you are scum and your motivation here is to get someone to roleclaim. Then you back that up with a lurker vote. Except killing really isn't a lurker. And for some reason you ignore the huge lurker cubu. After saying sharrent was bad town as soon as the killing thing comes up he defends him. At this point I would say if kush flips town killing is a strong second lynch (although it is still a little early for the accosiation cases) + Show Spoiler + On September 20 2012 00:47 kushm4sta wrote: @remedy Why would you vote for me at this point? I'm not a serious lynch candidate today. At this point your vote just unfocuses the town. You don't even say why you are voting for me. Your case against me was made a really long time ago. Also it is real weak. And you blast me for the weakness of my cases? You are actually one of the biggest lurkers at this point btw. Yeah he wasn’t a serious lynch canadate but seems like trying to get the focus off him (remedy flips town remember) + Show Spoiler + On September 20 2012 00:59 kushm4sta wrote: @thrawn yes I do think buddying is scummier. why would scum play as strangely as sharrant? question I really want answered from sharrant: is this your first game of forum mafia? I asked him before but he didn't answer. Goes back to defending sharrent only attacking him when he goes after killing (Ok I NEED to look at killings filter again after this the only think I know is everyone kinda thinks he is scum but not enough for lynch{sound like a scum thing?}) + Show Spoiler + On September 20 2012 01:12 kushm4sta wrote: Remedy postpone your suspicion of me until d2 please. Who of the possible lynches, including lurkers, do you want to lynch? Also guys if we are going to have an choice to lynch a lurker, which one shall it be? Cubu's filter is just enough to prevent modkill. Commanding someone to post pone suspicion... at this point (assuming the forum is right with my time{sometimes seems an hour off might need to check my settings}) there is about 9 whole hours of game time left... On two page four (and this is before there is even a flip) + Show Spoiler + On September 20 2012 02:07 kushm4sta wrote: Right now we are trying to figure out who to lynch. That is what town needs to be talking about now, not random suspicions. Why do I want to lynch a lurker? Because sharrant doesn't seem scummy enough to be a better vote than a lurker. I would rather lynch a lurker d1 than have to waste a later vote on a lurker. I do not want there to be the presence of a town lurker for mafia to safely vote for again and again. Are we just going to let cubu lurk all game, posting 1 shitty thing a day, and pray that he's not scum? You may notice I am posting almost every second post in here he is literally that scummy. The only reason I didn’t see it before was one time and two I wanted a love story + Show Spoiler + (This is fluff from me) YOU NEVER LISTEN YOU ARE ALWAYS YOU DRINKING WITHT HE GUYS... Well guess what Kush! Guess WHAT! I am cheating on you with thrawn! (haven’t looked into thrawn yet but he at the moment doesn’t feel like scum) *cough* well anyway. Hit vote on cubu is fine though, (that said cubu confirmed town as well) but if he was defending sharrent this long it makes sense. + Show Spoiler + On September 20 2012 05:34 kushm4sta wrote: OK so as I see it here are our options atm: Sharrant, cubu, killing. Killing is not that much of a lurker. He's not lurker enough to even be considered a lurker IMO. Killing is scummy looking to me, but he looked that way last game too. Again defends killing, now it is possible that he is defending a town he knows is town (like sharrent and others) but honestly this many times? + Show Spoiler + On September 20 2012 07:31 kushm4sta wrote: ok looks like drazzak is the bandwagon then ##vote drazzak I know this was brought up but if thrawns theory is correct and stutters dies and flips town than it must be kush or thrawn right? At the end of my evaluation I guess I will have to see if thrawn looks more mafia than kush (seems unlikely based on a feel read right now) + Show Spoiler + On September 20 2012 09:09 kushm4sta wrote: My thoughts on killing vs drazak. drazak I didn't even think drazak is scummy. I just voted for him now because of the last minute omg we need to vote for someone confusion. 1 he is not that scummy. a lot of scumhunting and nothing that strikes me as a huge scumslip 2 he's not even a lurker. I thought he was more of a lurker but I just went through his filter and I would not consider him a lurker. killingtime i was in the process of reading his filter just now, but i just realized the deadline already passed. so fail. KILILNG DEFENSE OMG WHAT IS THIS EVEN? The likely hood of two sets of masons is VERY low... like.... I can’t believe everyone missed this! + Show Spoiler + On September 20 2012 09:43 kushm4sta wrote: im done for tonight goodbye. and a special fuck you to thrawn for accusing me for voting for drazak. @ thrawn you are the one who pushed a lynch on the active, obviously town, mason. you are the one who right after said it might still be a good idea to lynch cubu. you are the one who shoudl feel bad. goodnight. Again this is only a feed section of my reads but he looks like he is trying too hard to pick fights and be the “aggressive town” more so than usual. Onto page 5... (did I mention this was part of the reason I hoped kush was town? Reading this while is fascinating takes ages) + Show Spoiler + On September 21 2012 02:29 kushm4sta wrote: Then I start reading killing's filter. I was very prepared to switch my vote. Killing did not seem that suspicious to me, but he sure seemed more suspicious than drazak. I was going to finish reading killing's filter, and then write why I think he is a better lynch. Except as I go to write about killing, I realize the deadline has already passed. Fuck me, I think to myself, and I post my incomplete post. Here it is: Now let me clarify something: killingtime is not my strongest scumread. I just thought he was probably a better option than drazak. TL;DR version, drazak flips town ohh no better semi bus killing and then say he isn’t the strongest scum read. + Show Spoiler + On September 21 2012 02:39 kushm4sta wrote: In a few hours I will be back to read the thread closely and post my thoughts. But right now here's where i am. For now, debears is my top scumread. He was since yesterday and yeah nothing has changed. Need to read his newer posts though. Thrawn seems significantly off his meta. Anyone who has played with him before recognize this? He's angrier, more accusatory. And I think a lot of his reads are uncharacteristically bad. According to this thrawn is off his meta I am off my meta (he mentions his later) and I think kush is off his meta. Anyway he does this to thrawn and myself (note thrawns case will have updates about the others kush and dandle in it as I go though it but I am doing main cases first. With parts of others in there) It’s kinda easy to suggest someone is off there meta (I am doing it as well) but I am backing it up with a huge amount of evidence unlike kush who sends it out there with little to no back up (meta reads are kinda feel reads at times {for example until now I have been far more busy so that off sets it etc...) + Show Spoiler + On September 21 2012 03:12 kushm4sta wrote: I just want to give everyone some advice because a lot of the reads I'm seeing are straight up ass. atreides saying mafia had a hand in drazzak lynch. there is no mafia motivation for saying that. just because someone says something stupid does not make them mafia. you have to look at peoples motivations. everything else is a feel read and those are pretty worthless. anyway that's what I learned from last game when all of my feel reads were wrong. kush out Yeah all your feel reads were wrong so why are you suddenly master at spotting town before they flip? (and I mean just before they flip see later when I talk about regent) + Show Spoiler + On September 21 2012 05:04 kushm4sta wrote: I'm really tired of hearing about how I can't be read because I have a scummy meta. Nothing I have said is scummy! I've just been trying to be honest with my intentions and what I'm thinking. I will stand by any statement I make as genuine, even if it's not completely thought out. Yes I say what's on my mind stop saying that is scummy. LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL 3,725words so far (although a lot of that is quotes but it is taking me ages and I am only half way though your filter) “I have a scummy meta guys don’t lynch me” Not. That. Scummy. You seem scummy for about day one with your meta you don’t get worse and worse as you go along (product of lies) Ok at this point he posts a huge case on thrawn so I will get to that in my thrawn case (if I find him suspicious it elevates kush slightly (although after this I doubt anything will convince me) + Show Spoiler + On September 21 2012 09:21 kushm4sta wrote: I think he's implying that he got roleblocked. And that is still funny, this is how kush should be as town when commenting on things he is free to comment on. Page six? + Show Spoiler + On September 22 2012 00:43 kushm4sta wrote: I didn't read drazak's filter until I saw the post from thrawn telling me to give my thoughts on killing and drazak. Yes I bandwagoned on him. Partly because I remembered him being a bigger lurker than he actually was. I had looked at killing's filter previously, and I thought it was not that scummy. You remembered him being a bigger lurker when before you were going on about thinking he was doing scum hunting? (also this is the point he flames me for simply making a case on me {good tactic I guess}) Also from about here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=367548&user=200457¤tpage=6 ( I won’t bother linking everything as there are multiple posts but he is defending rethos/dandel) could be that dandel was another one of the scum{he hardly mentioned him at all}) + Show Spoiler + On September 22 2012 05:56 kushm4sta wrote: it doesn't even matter to me that sharky is lurking. him and sharrant are so town I think its ridiculous to even bring them up as a scum possibility. No of course not you don’t want a confirmed town running around making reads do you? Page 6 was smaller because I didn’t link every post about his defense of dandal will go into that in dandals post I guess. + Show Spoiler + On September 22 2012 06:15 kushm4sta wrote: I want to wait until I'm at my pc so I can actually do a good job of reading filters and cross referencing with the thread for context. your case against remedy is just lack of scumhunting right? I think its true that he's all accusation and no argumentation. I want to look onto that more, then ask him to expand on his reasoning for some of.his accusations and see what he comes up with. + Show Spoiler + On September 22 2012 07:52 kushm4sta wrote: My thoughts on thrawn's earlier case against remedy: 1 Remedy's useless vote parked on me d1. Bad town yes, scum no. I don't see the scum motivation behind it, especially since both our bandwagons were town. He still seems to know that regent is town and is bad town for voting for him. Well this is tiring... Ok he goes on stutters now (he is going to go on and off on stutters as I posted before (I will just find that post as it is simpler and takes up less room) like page 7 + Show Spoiler + On September 23 2012 07:38 JacobStrangelove wrote: Kushs filter ... Either trying to seem not attached either way or trying to spread confusion. Just say both sides of what you think. Then take the time to find out the best read... He mentions thrawn again will look into this in the thrawn case but I need a break after this one for a short while at least. Then he does the case on me which I think I covered a bit however I will go into more detail after I finish kush’s case dadels case and thrawns case. (probably sometime day 3 to be honest because this case alone has taken ages and I want to watch a movie or something tonight{it is my birthday remember...}) Most of this page and stuff is covered in the other post I included so I will go to page 8 (which is partly covered in that page as well) + Show Spoiler + On September 23 2012 03:23 kushm4sta wrote: I don't know where the fuck this remedy shit is coming from.. can someone summarize the arguments against him. like 1 sentence each. from what I remember the case boils down to he doesn't support his suspicions with arguments he voted for a non bandwagon d1 anything else? cause that's looking mighty weak His case wasn’t weak, I could see the ups and downs of each and everycase but he can’t? I would say again he seems to know who is town and isn’t and is trying to get town points for it. + Show Spoiler + On September 23 2012 07:39 kushm4sta wrote: I don't want to lynch stutters because I think he's mafia. I want to lynch stutters because I think you are mafia thrawn. and fuck hapahuli if he thinks that's a scumtell. I.don't even care Mentions hapahuli, the town coach. On 9 I am kinda rushing these last few pages as I want to get this done sometime within the next year. + Show Spoiler + On September 23 2012 08:05 kushm4sta wrote: 1 Jacob 2 thrawn them my reads. I have been hesitant because no one wants to.vote for.my reads Waiting for someone else to bandwagon. You claimed I was indecisive remember? But more on that when I get round to my defense. + Show Spoiler + On September 23 2012 10:09 kushm4sta wrote: My big questions to all town (so jacob you don't have to answer): me or thrawn? do you buy this theory that at least 1 scum voted for drazak? how sure are you the mason claim is true? ... You right now. Maybe you and thrawn only time will tell. (if I doubt run out of it) Oh finally. The filter is over. 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+ Show Spoiler + On September 19 2012 00:35 KillingTime wrote: I don't understand the point of FoS'ing on day 1 - no-one has a huge list of strong scum reads and you can change your vote at any time. If you think someone is scum then you should vote for them, if you are not sure or looking to pressure than a vote is also a much better way to do that than a FOS which at best is just going to cause scum to play more carefully. Pressure voting is fine; however it can also be useful for scum. You guys pressure vote while I wait for the bandwagon. However I have to admit this isn’t the best argument. + Show Spoiler + On September 19 2012 01:56 KillingTime wrote: I agree that Kush's statements about not wanting to die were dumb and anti-town. I haven't voted him yet though because a) I think the serial killer case, while I can follow the logic, is a huge overreach when we don't even know whether we have a serial killer. It would be equally plausible to argue that kush was trying to attract attention to himself with that kind of remark. b) Kush made a significant number of dumb comments at the start of XXVI and turned out to be town. That doesn't excuse these comments, but they are not enough on their own to make me think he is scum. Not scum in its self but the amount of protecting kush did of killing compiled with him protecting kush here doesn’t help. More of the Fos argument. He could be using this to appear like he is posting as he as commented on it a lot (considering he has such a small filter it means he isn’t spending the time scum hunting) + Show Spoiler + On September 19 2012 13:58 KillingTime wrote: I just woke up - yeah I meant to post more last night but couldn't for irl reasons. Sorry I know that looked bad. Probably didn’t need to spoiler that but this does look really bad still. + Show Spoiler + On September 19 2012 15:07 KillingTime wrote: Ok - well I think the best thing for me to do Is go through the questions drazak asked me last night: Players I want to see more from - There are lots of players in this category: 1. RemedySC - Not much interesting in his posts, nothing scummy but nothing strong 2. Drazak - Again, he made fair points about me and I am answering his questions - he has said he will also try to post more today. If there is one thing that I learnt from XXVI it is that associational cases are bad though. So leave off this how is he connected to X&Y on D1. 3. Stutters 4.Cubu!!! - I am quite happy to policy lynch cubu every game I play with him if he is not posting more. Cubu post more or I will vote for you. Two strongest town reads: (though town reads are kind of dubious atm, because strong mafia probably look like town now -d1 we are more trying to catch a weaker mafia I think) 1. Thrawn - I don't put much stock in the idea that him & Debears are necessarily linked in some way - but his posting has been strong all day 2. Sonic - Solid town posts, less high up for me though, just because I have the experience of playing with him in XXVI and know he is a strong player who fooled me for large parts of that game. When I went to bed, I thought Sharrant was towny - he was following the same train of logic that I did and he was . Now I just don't know - others have totally fought with him on asking debears to roleclaim and that was a bad idea, I don't think he is a good d1 lynch, there is too much chance he flips bad town, but he is definitely a player I want to look at more closely as the game progresses And the most important part - scum: 1.Debears - my scum read on him from yesterday has not changed that much, his hugely defensive posting since then is a bad, and I agree with Kush's attack on his last post. I sort of like that he is attacking rethos - but rethos is an easy target, a lurker who has only posted questions so far. I await to see what he has to say about Sharrant. 2.Atreidies - 3 posts, all bad , random setup speculation. You can pretty much sum up everything he has said so far as "I'm not convinced" - That is not at all scummy per se - but you need to combine that attitude with efforts to scumhunt yourself and contribute actively. Because he hasn't, it looks scummy to me. Ok this is one of his major posts. The players I want to see more from section... He is a player we want to see more from so this could just trying to look like an active poster. (also happy to policy lynch cubu) He has two town reads, now while I love town reads late game, early town reads are a little ehh... and could be useless he also said they could be mafia because strong town look like mafia... (wat?) I understand what he is saying but still seems pointless. Anyway he town reads thrawn and sonic. He also wants to look closely at sharrent not committing to a read. Going on debears is something that kush did, if they are in unison they might have tried to set debears up. Atreidies appears to just be a random lurker he picked up. You could say the same for any lurker really. (Something I will note real quick) So far he isn’t that unlike most of the other lurkers the only thing that sets him apart is the connection with kush. + Show Spoiler + On September 19 2012 22:41 KillingTime wrote: far as "My" case (not really "my" case - but my vote) on Debears goes I still prefer him slightly over sharrant. see Debears as more scummy than sharrant because he led with stupid play and then tried to explain it away, whereas on my reading the Sharrant case seems more "bad towny" than a strong scum read, he started trying to help town and then made a dumb mistake. Not sure about time line but he mentions it’s not his case, did he sheep onto kush’s case? I think he probably would they are both going with the sharrent is bad townie argument. (which he turned out to be{or maybe not bad just used to irl mafia which appears quite different}) + Show Spoiler + On September 20 2012 00:30 KillingTime wrote: I am here at the moment (around for a half hour or so) - if you want to ask me anything then you can. Other than the fact I was away last night (and therefore "lurky" to you) - why else do you think I am scum? Honestly at this point without the connection to kush in account. He is scummy because he lurks and he isn’t overly committal. With the connection to kush in account he is a lot more scummy. (assuming kush is mafia which I think he is) + Show Spoiler + On September 20 2012 06:08 KillingTime wrote: I want to make some amazing read on Sharrant going back through his whole filter and checking out the case on him - therby assuaging thrawn & those who seem to think I am a lurking scum But sorry I just can't make head or tail of his postings today. I don't understand his post from either a mafia or a town perspective - this makes me think he is a bad townie, because if he was mafia he would have had two others telling him how to diffuse this situation. My own observations about stutters were nearly a disaster last game, perhaps as a result I have been too cautious d1. I will do better tomorrow and try to find a strong target. The lynch I feel best about is Cubu, for reasons that anyone who played/reads the last game should be clear on, even if he is town again (hard to tell), we are going to go into D2 in a stronger position with him gone & I feel it is even scummier that he is not here this game when he got lynched as town for the same behaviour last game. It seems like debears has not been scummy enough since the inital post for others to have a strong feeling he is scum & am not confident enough in the case against Sharrant to vote for him. I'll be around for like 15-20 mins now, then I have to go. ##unvote debears ##vote Cubu Is unsure about sharrent, can’t see mafia or town perspectives is unsure about cubu “(hard to tell)” but goes for the lynch anyway goes off debears. + Show Spoiler + On September 20 2012 07:19 KillingTime wrote: I need to go to bed. I can't process this stuff properly right now. Back to basics = hunting scum - so I am going back to voting my strongest scumread before all this nonsense - which was debears. I think that puts him and cubu on 2 votes each. You guys who are awake get to decide who to lynch I guess. ##unvote ##vote debears This is actually town points to him, he is confused because of the role claim so goes back to his scum read. However leaving at this time wouldn’t be but he also said he is from the eu. + Show Spoiler + On September 20 2012 16:15 KillingTime wrote: Is it allowed to ask Sharrant to post a link to the mason quicktopic to prove his claim? I am asking the mods first because I feel like it might not be, but it wasn't clear in the rules (it says you can post your role pm and the sample role pm makes no mention of not being able to post the quicktopic link to the thread if you choose) Again town points unless he assumed that it wasn’t allowed... Page two. Still heavy lurking though, he says he is sorry if people think he is but that means nothing. Still going for debears, interesting considering my other theory. But I will get to that later. + Show Spoiler + On September 21 2012 18:50 KillingTime wrote: If lynch lurkers is a decent policy - then Lynching liars, (even bad ones) is an essential policy ( from what I have read). I am sort of null on you because I don't see how your posts today help mafia or town at all but I can come up with plausible scenarios why both would do this - just totally barf worthy. I am not great at his game yet, but I am going to be annoyed if this is another game where d1 &2 are dominated by terrible town play. I am still going to look later and see if I can find a better scum - but for now. Vote##: rethos He goes for rethos who is one of his potential scum partners so I will have to see if he changes vote soon after. Goes with good reason though (but I will get to this in my rethos/dandel case I guess) Ouch my arm is really starting to hurt, several days of assignments followed by all this... + Show Spoiler + On September 21 2012 19:11 KillingTime wrote: I sort of feel he is breaking the rules here and messing up the game. Saying explicitly with like 36hrs of a day left that you are going to get replaced in thread - when the first post explicitly says that you should PM the mod and that you can't get modkilled to help you team - seems to violate the spirit of those rules if not the exact letter for me. Meh I guess that is a mess for the mods to sort out and not us. But this is not cool Says that he is breaking the rules, if rethos is town could be an attempt at a free kill. The case on killing thus far seems rather weak without having relation to kush and other theorys/cases. I would NOT lynch him tomorrow tbh... anyway continuing on. + Show Spoiler + On September 22 2012 03:56 KillingTime wrote: I said before the game that I will not be around much tomorrow. I am not going to be around regularly tonight though & thinking about it I am suspicious of Kush now though given his passionate defence of you/rethos Possible Motivations: If you are mafia and he is town - putting that much focus on trying to prevent you being lynched by exonerating rethos seems bad play to me. Also, he said at the start that: - does not seem like he is doing that. If you are mafia and he is mafia - makes no sense If you are town and he is mafia - He can make a defence of you, (knowing it was unlikely to succeed with rethos terrible play) then when you get lynched say "I didn't want to lynch him anyway, you should have listened to me" - gaining townie cred off a mislynch. Ho Hum - Kush, do you really think this is a good example of careful & better analysis? Again he posts about not being around much, this is really the most frustrating part as I can’t get a solid read on him either way. He is either just one of the lurkers with potential to be scum or he is scum with all these connections to kush etc... He does go at kush in a ho Hum way (lol) but this I think is the first time I have seen them even slightly go at each other. Again he is gone... or can’t do much + Show Spoiler + On September 23 2012 03:29 KillingTime wrote: Ok -so I haven't read the full thread since my last post but my opinion on Remedy based on his filter: D1 - doesn't want to lynch lurkers, Posts bad case on Kush (imho - attacking someone for wanting to lynch lurkers is not attacking someone for scum play), Goes away and avoids d1 drama. - Scummy thing to say for sure, "false regret" is a dumb scum thing - If he didn't want a drazak lynch he should have said so. Posts more bad inferences about Kush. Decent post on Stutters - pointing out a fair argument against him from my perspective (as I know I am town). But this is not hard for mafia to do either as they know everyone's alignments (except if there is an sk) - so this is null. Pointless cellphone posts, defends Rethos at a weird time when there was a big back and forth about it going on - ok but he never follows it up, pointless post. Points out something obviously scummy from stutters. Overall - poor posts, one that looks obviously scummy and lots that don't help us scumhunting (somewhat scum). He would be a decent lynch. My problem is that there are several decent lynches.... difficult to decide between them. After questioning kush he then comes in and goes at remedy for thinking kush was scummy. If kush flips mafia then killing has a lot of explaining to do. If not the case is weak. + Show Spoiler + On September 23 2012 03:37 KillingTime wrote: Edit: also - it was Kush who started the wagon on Stutters. Remedy pushed and voted for Kush D1 and has not said that he has changed his mind. Remedy why are you so eager joining a wagon (albeit on a player you did say you thought was scummy) started by another player you thought was scummy? Were you not worried that one of your scum reads was pushing the other? Points out kush started the wagon (giving him silent town points) Well he kinda stops posting at this point nothing from after the flip. So tl;dr If kush is mafia then yes killing has a huge chance of being mafia. But apart from that nothing solid to go on tbh... sure he lurks and is indecisive those are bad features but I wouldn’t feel happy lynching him on that alone. Just saw kushs post, On September 23 2012 22:48 kushm4sta wrote: @jacob I don't understand why if I'm scum that also makes killing scum. because I defended him is that it? I never defended him really. its just that he never striked me as particularly scummy. also he has done some sharply town things. I will address those in my next post. I guess you might be right but you are defending him incase of you flipping. I agree after going though his filter he doesn’t look as scummy but saying he isn’t likely scum if you flip scum? *realises he isn’t being flamed for once* Hurm... | ||
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He was trying to steer people onto stutters but not in a definite way. He jumped from stutteres to remedy often and he seemed to start doing this when the focus was shifting from stutters (although hard to tell without timeline) Also scum has almost won this game? 0-o I hope not I was just getting into it. Why, are we completely on the wrong trail? What do you know? You seem to have more information than possible. (However I haven’t gotten around to your filter yet) “Scum Kush would have been best served by staying on Remedy, and blaming me or/and Thrawn for the Remedy mislynch afterwards. From there, it'd be really easy to mislynch me (without even pushing for it) and have town at 4-3 LYLO, with a strong position for a thrawn or stutters lynch next. (two wagons with pretty decent chances in that situation)” Thats a pretty hypothetical situation. That assumes you are town. You were actually in my kush dandel killing theory which is why I am making cases on you (and a re-evaluation of thrawn to be safe) I will have to wait for my arm to come back to functioning status before I continue though... | ||
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On September 23 2012 23:12 kushm4sta wrote: @Jacob fermez la bouche That will really move the thread forward won't it... | ||
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On September 24 2012 07:53 thrawn2112 wrote: Uh something I noticed... sharky makes a post in the qt, you responded to it, and then you ask marv if sharky got sent the link? Oh? Uhh... yeah that does seem odd like... really odd... like... hurm | ||
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On September 24 2012 08:12 kushm4sta wrote: no time to read recent stuff. have to finish all.this documentation before I leave work . if I die lynch Jacob that is all Same to you buddy (that is my if I die post I guess) | ||
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On September 23 2012 23:24 kushm4sta wrote: yeah it will if you listen to it. thrawn so you are convinced by Jacob's walls of text huh? well I'm not. out of no where he starts posting these long posts. I think it is a defense mechanism. also look at his method. It seems like he decides who he is going to he suspicious of then just goes through their filter post by post grappling onto anything that he thinks could be seen as scummy. that's not a good way to make cases and that's not how he made them last game. Last night I had a bit of time to wait so I quickly wrote my notes on this. I will post the notes as is and then clarify them. (as the reason they are notes is they are too me so I might include less information than is understandable{cause they are only to remind me of stuff}) Don’t have movie yet, remind kush that I didn’t have time, also remind kush that last game I was the same up until the point I clicked. At that point far too hard to make wall of text in time. (but now I have plenty of time I can back up my intuition reads with wall of logic) Also remind kush that he hasn’t responded to my posts and has become a puppy dog from a tiger.. also remind boso that he hasn’t answered why he knows so much with so little research.(EDIT: boso is dandel) Also remind kush that if I was searching for everything scummy why would be I so hesitant on killing unless he was involved. Also incase of kush being stupider than I thought remind kush that while he posted first on the issue there is no way I could make that post in under 5 min. Also I post a logical thought out listed case must be scum -_- Movie is here Jacob out. + Show Spoiler + Sorry about the stupidity thing, you didn't say that so it's fine I guess, The time bit is referring to assignments into birthday preparations into party and drinking into morning into another party into everyone goes home and I write a post... the same thing was confused etc, until I realised I was on to something, then the adrenaline kicks in. The killing thing is I had almost decided killing was scum before I looked at his filter because I was so sure you were. However turns out (although other people are bringing up points I missed it seems{will look at this}) he isn’t as bad as I thought he was. | ||
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On September 24 2012 11:07 sharky246 wrote: well i guess this confirms the fact that sharrant and i are masons. NAWW he is just very confused about his mason partner... | ||
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Page 1, Pregame posts. + Show Spoiler + On September 13 2012 12:42 thrawn2112 wrote: ugh i wish i could (/in) but i only get internet for like 2 minutes a day at most lol On September 14 2012 07:26 thrawn2112 wrote: west texas i do have internet, i just have to walk/ride a long ass time to get it. On September 15 2012 07:18 thrawn2112 wrote: ok i can't resist at the risk of being lynched based on meta, i'm /in hi kush From our most active member? Now if he does have to walk a long time to get it then it is more likely that he would put the motivation in as someone that isn’t town. Situation could have changed though will need to check + Show Spoiler + On September 18 2012 11:00 thrawn2112 wrote: Yeah I agree, there's not much else to add other than that lurkers are assholes and they are going to lurk whether there is strong support of a lurker lynch policy or not... especially in these newbie games. So on to more important matters, here's an idea: last person in the thread gets lynched discuss? Now this was stupid, however the main point is he gets people of lurker’s quickly. Either he knows his scum mates will lurk, thinks he doesn’t have much time, or wants to get the thread moving. I think there is more reason to get the thread moving but I might have confirmation bias on this one. To save space his next post says lurker talk should be only one post or so and says plans are easy for scum to hide in. Town points here. He then basically Fos’s drazak. Ok the sonic/thrawn debate + Show Spoiler + On September 18 2012 15:37 thrawn2112 wrote: Ok sonic this is even scummier than your "hey everyone should be making lists" tactics in XXVI. Some of those questions (1 and 2) you cant reasonably expect people to give solid/infallible predictions about, or at least not predictions accurate enough for you to lynch them later based on a discrepency between the prediction and their actual activity level, and the other questions you don't need people to answer them in order to get the information you want. 6 is just silly. I don't see the point at all of that survey other than to appear useful which imo it isn't.. and that's the same thing you were doing with the lists in xxvi. In other words he starts going hard out on sonic, this might not mean anything either way but I am putting it here to see when he changes his mind. However he goes at sonic for posting a list of usless questions but then says this. + Show Spoiler + Seems hypocritical considering talking about the last one in the thread would only create a useless case and people saying it is bad. Page two + Show Spoiler + On September 19 2012 02:02 thrawn2112 wrote: Sonic the reason why I don't buy that your survey was you as town making a joke is becuase of the line "not answering will make you look scummy." That looks like you were seriously expecting a response from everyone and that you didn't want the survey to be taken lightly. It's been pointed out that we are kinda doing the same thing (accusing each other because of us presenting bad ideas for town to respond to) however the situations aren't that similar. You yourself have pointed out that my idea was so extremly dumb that it couldn't have been a genuine question. My explanation of that question is that it was scum bait... do you really think that it's more likely that I threw it out as scum trying to get town to agree to it? And your survey as I've already said didn't look like a joke and it fit your past scum actions of presenting fluffly ideas for town to follow so you could appear like a useful townie. I will give you a little bit of slack because I did lead you on by answering that it was in fact a serious question, so I can see why you as town would think that I was either giving an extremely terrible idea as town which isn't likely, or that I was saying something dumb as scum which I guess you could've seen as more likely. However seeing the lengths you went to to use that post against me, when it was obviously a really dumb idea regardless of my alignment, I still think you were attacking me with scum motives. In one of your recent posts you attacked someone for defending me, which makes sense if you are town and seeing debears post as a scum trying to protect their fellow scum partner. So overall, your position on my scum-o-meter is a little lower than it was but you're still up there. Now here is interesting, both were said to be scum bait (sonic flips town) But he says neither town nor scum would use it so it must be scum bait. (at least that is what I gathered) But Scum could use it to distract town and and claim the same thing that sonic just claimed. (Second filter read on thrawn, still feels more town and arguments could go either way but I see why I shouldn’t trust him blindly...*cough sonic last game *cough*) My motivation for his filter is dropping off... this could be because I don’t feel he is scum and there is no excitement. Again this is just a feel read so I must continue. + Show Spoiler + On September 19 2012 04:20 thrawn2112 wrote: Pre Edit: just saw that he posted some stuff about rethos, so my current read on him is that he's done nothing that I see as scummy and he has participated in discussion and brought some original ideas into the mix. So overall I'm saying he's looking town. His defense of me was a little to lengthy and aggressive to be normal but I don't know why he'd do that as town or mafia. This is actually interesting though, thinks rethos is town. I wonder if he jumped on my rethos is scum argument after realising a bus was almost necessary. (This is speculation so I will need to see how it follows thoughout the thread.) + Show Spoiler + On September 19 2012 05:09 thrawn2112 wrote: It's odd but not odd enough to influence my read on him in either direction. Basically it this point it tells me nothing other than that it tells me nothing. Still going with town. You say I'm a player who is willing to go after suspicious stuff... well yeah, that's the point of the game. But then when I give a town read, all the sudden that automatically makes myself and that player a team? That's your prerogative but it's an extremely weak case. Is there anything other than that about me which you find suspicious? Because if not then that's a very weak FOS. Follows up by saying it’s a weak argument on him. Yes it is but we need to look at every time he mentions rethos imo. I will do this because something I noticed in my notes file (I do this because I have adhd need some way to keep on track {did it last game as well I have notes for that I think, no turns out I saved over them (for this game) but I am sure I mentioned it in my filter somewhere from last game}) But my notes say Oh a side note if I am wrong completely, and I find thrawn to be scum kush is town killing is town and sharky and sharrent are town. That would leave dbears, dandel and thrawn. (at this point atalias wasn’t in the discussion much which is something I need to look into) this isn’t much though out(could be bussing etc..) but this is why I am checking the interactions of my possible scum teams as circumstantial evidence. To save time (still on page 2 of 11) he then goes on the whole role call thing which he should have imo. Again talks with rethos but don’t have a read on rethos and isn’t talking about that. So far hasn’t given a read on rethos but the interaction doesnt’ look that strange. Rethos just asking questions and thrawn just replying. Page three More role claim argument don’t see any particular scum motivation. Turns out he can’t fish. I can’t find anything in particular but he has gone at sonic (flips town) sharrent (flips town) killing (unsure) and drazak (flips town) + Show Spoiler + On September 20 2012 07:30 thrawn2112 wrote: I would go with drazak. Previously my lurker lynch back up was killing but drazak made that retarted vote. I've also had earlier supicions of him maily because of his first post, where he goes out of his way to defend accusations against him that haven't even happend yet. So killing/drazak but I say drazak. vote count? Changes his mind and goes for drazak, by itself fair enough but then after flip. + Show Spoiler + On September 20 2012 07:59 thrawn2112 wrote: One thing that seems very very strange is how nobody has voted for killing this entire game, yet lots of people have said he's very scummy and he was even a proposed lynch candidate a few times. . There could possibly be some derailment going on everytime a killing lynch is mentioned. If you've got insight into the drazak/killing/cubu/sharrant choice now is the time to speak up. Ok so he goes not with killing because of one vote post then goes at the fact nobody voted for killing? This is a scummy move actually because he could back up the fact that he switched because he pointed it out. (he points this out after day 2 sometime I think.) Or this would be scummy if he said it after the flip, still scummy that he mentions it before though, he might have known the result and acted accordingly. So far this is probably the most interesting thing I have come across. *nedstark voice* “Storm is coming” able to keep working on it though as I alt tabbed the filter. Oh.. a side problem of no internet is I can’t quote properly. So maybe we should lynch cubu, and if cubu flips mason well then at least we have a confirmed town player (sharrant) and we haven't lost a useful poster. If Cubu doesn't flip mason then we atuo lynch sharrant D2. In the outcome that cubu is mason, then like others have said about him earlier we aren't losing a player who is willing to scumhunt or contribute or say anything at all. And yeah mafia will have a good target for their nightkills (sharrant) but if there's a medic or a jailkeeper, and I think it's likely that there will be at least one of those, then they can save sharrant from nk's at their own discretion. I am on page four but I left it for a while so not entirely sure where I left off. This is more scummy, lynch someone who could end up confirmed town? Lynching someone else gets you the chance of finding scum and opens the possibility of either getting two confirmed town, or two confirmed scum. Oh turns out I missed this first time round. I guess leaving the computer helped. With this I think page 4 is done. (side note: I am getting more of a hunt feeling now but still not sure Unlike kush I am not finding every second post with scum intent) Why do you think his mason status is such a sure thing? Ok this is slightly odd, he seemed to have doubts as well about it now it is suddenly sure. Then next post does a massive why the mason claim is a fabrication thing. Here's why I think the mason claim is fabricated. (I would link it all but I can’t quote or spoiler properly with no connection) someone asked if people are allowed to post links to their mason qt, if not are they allowed to post the text contents of the qt? Now this is back to serious town points. Surely having the mason qt text wouldn’t be something the mafia would suggest. The only reason I can see why he would have asked it is if he was town and wanted to be sure. He then after time zones and such believes him. Continuing on. (I will look at atreides filter after this (thrawn currently arguing that atreides is scum) and if atreides actually does seem scum town points. Next he lies(or misunderstands and thinks Debears is still sheeping him when it was the other way around) about posting before debears. Almost going to go unicycle so hopefully internet is on by then (we have found an undercover area to do it in fyi) Will be back in several hours. (hour trip in and back with time for unicycling in the middle ^^) Ok debears just posted his case on thrawn, haven’t read it yet and still won’t read it as I don’t want it effecting my perception until after I post this. Ok he seems to be very careful in making sure sharrant and sharky are masons. For me this is town points. Making completely sure without doubt. Most of his next post are him answering my questions so I will leave these out for obvious reasons. Hold on I think I got lost again... I shouldn’t have left for so long. Onto page 6 + Show Spoiler + On September 21 2012 07:46 thrawn2112 wrote: Kush those points againt me are either meaningless or huge misrepresentations of what actually happened. I'll post my response in a bit. You either haven't grasped the logic of a lot of my cases (specifically the remedy which till now you'e ignored my request for you to give a read on him) or you're scum. Accuses kush for not following his logic and says because of that he is scum, (remedy flips town) just interesting going though this. Next is a massive quote that goes back and forth between thrawn and kush. But more importantly comes the role block post. Now several things could be going on here. First it is obvious town didn’t role block him because sharrent got a rb. (unless mafia rb’s sharrent?) So assuming mafia pulled the role block, I imagine there are three possible options. One mafia role blocked him, two mafia roleblocked themselves, three mafia roleblocked the Sk. Thrawn has been blocked twice (nobody else claimed they were blocked) and no sk Shot. Admittedly I find this unlikely but not at all impossible. + Show Spoiler + I saying a got a message saying exactly "you were roleblocked." Thought I'd post it so that A) if the roleblock came from a town player they will know I'm at being honest and B) If it came from a mafia then town will have more information. In either case it gives everyone more info to work with. Maybe not now but at some point in the future.... in my first game mafia started making up a bunch of fake "I got roleblocked" claims and town was able to see through them because people had been saying the exact times they got roleblocked throughout the game. I don't see why I would get roleblocked though. Sonic the JK could have done it but I don't think so because I think he had a town read on me. That leaves only the possibilities that there's a town roleblocker who did it or the mafia did it but I have no information or theories about that so kinda useless to speculate further. Completely leaves out the possibility of mafia Rb’s themselves. Lol ran into him responding to a question about this post + Show Spoiler + Uh, saying that drazak and I defended each other is a lie. In fact it's the exact opposite of the truth. You have to admit that is a very confusing sentence. I will start generalinzing what he says for time purposes, starts going a rethos after I do with what I think is a perfectly reasonable argument. + Show Spoiler + On September 21 2012 18:16 thrawn2112 wrote: Lol which one of your mason buddies in the qt told you to write this post? My vote today was going to be remedy but this series of posts from rethos makes me consider lynching him regardless of him asking for a replacement. Mason buddys? I never quite made sense of this tbh. + Show Spoiler + If it came from a town player it was because they thought I was scum, or they were a jk thinking I was town. If it came from mafia, I think they suspect me of being one of the more powerful blue roles and they were trying to stop me from performing an action based upon the reads I was making during N1. Avoids the topic of mafia roleblocking mafia. While I am finding a lot of things that could possibly be scummy considering the size of the filter I should be finding more. Most is just observations and comments that it could be either way (that I am making) while there are a few solid posts I will admit. After I read debears case I will probably quickly post my thoughts again. He seems town on feel read, seems mostly town in his posting style however I am not 100% convinced on him like I used to be, (although def wouldn’t lynch him) + Show Spoiler + On September 22 2012 03:19 thrawn2112 wrote: Here's what happened: First he lies about having a lurking plan: "Believe it or not I was actually making a test to see how much leniancy lurkers get in this game" (not a plan a townie with any sense would use) and then he lies about the lie: "To be clear my defense against lurking is not "hey I did it on purpose", it's "hey I will not be lurking anymore now"" (saying "I will not be lurking anymore" ..... how does that = boredom?) then he goes back to saying the first lie was true: "So basically there is a problem with this game (all newbie games? I don't know) that is that people are not pressuring lurkers at all. Mainly they are giving them little slaps on the hand like (hey you have not posted in a while). I wanted to actually attract attention to that. And I think I actually succedded." then he says all the previous lies actually were lies and that instead he's bored "Actually no.. I am sorry to all of you. But it really seems that playing mafia is really not for me. I got bored and did not want to post any more. Now I am trying to catch up and can't get bring myself to it. Yes I lied about having this weird plan of lurking intentionally. I lurked because I did not have motivation to do anything." How does that more sense than coming out and being truthful about being bored right off the bat? This makes so much sense... now if I am wrong and thrawn is scum then I would associate him with dandel. (why you may ask) Well I posted before about how dandel is almost the only person left to accosiate with thrawn and the possibilities of a bus aren’t unlikely. (considering he almost had to bus rethos) However you can see that this is a very weak case however I will post this now as this relates to a revelation I had on the train on the way home (that I will post at the end of this) I do not think this is the case but it I am wrong then this is probably the case. Notice the time stamps on kush, not the first time he has done this I might add but it makes more sense the correct way around. I will never trust a timing read again... I have to admit I look at a heap of timings but stutters was town so... + Show Spoiler + On September 22 2012 13:53 thrawn2112 wrote: I've been looking at the final vote count. I think it's very very safe to assume that at least 1 mafia voted for drazak. The people who voted for drazak are: Sharrant, Sonic Death Monkey, kushm4sta, thrawn2112, Stutters695. So then I removed sharrant, sonic, and myself, which leaves kush and stutters. Out of those two I think it's more likely stutters is scum. And when I look at their votes, kush made that retarded "ok looks like drazzak is the bandwagon then" vote. Originally it looked suspicious but consider this... why the fuck would a mafia player bandwagon onto a townie lynch and then use such a terrible phrase? Especially to even include the word bandwagon? That imo, is a colossal error that I don't think anyone would be capable of. (well maybe yourharry would find some way to rationalize it) So, that leaves stutters who already looks suspicious, both for lurking, and because of how he stops lurking to pop in the thread once someone calls him out. So if all the follwoing is true, Stutters has to be scum 1: At least 1 mafia voted for drazak 2: There are no holes we've overlooked in sharrant's mason claim 3: My reasoning about kush's vote is extremely likely to be correct (4: and an additional one for people other than myself would be that thrawn is town) For me of course 4 is 100 true. 2 is so close to 100 percent true it may as well be 100 percent. Then I think 3 is the next most likely and 1 is probably the part of the theory I have the most hesitations about. However I think 1 and 3 are solid enough. So in other words I think stutters is a pretty damn good lynch option. Not only for all the reasons just mentioned but also because he's a huge lurker. Something I am going to pick you up on though, stutters wasn’t scum, that leaves you and kush, you have a town read on kush... this makes no sense. Page 9 + Show Spoiler + On September 23 2012 01:21 thrawn2112 wrote: Who would you rather the wagon be? I see you come into the thread with a scumread that other people thought was scummy at the time, (most especially myself) debears attacks you and you immediately go after him even to the point of voting for him. Then two people go for stutters and it's time to change your vote to stutters? Is debears still your top read? Don't you even want to try to see if you can push your case? This relates to my revelation that I am posting at the end. There is a whole lot of stutters remedy stuff that because of the flip I don’t see the need of going into. Well that was a quick page... + Show Spoiler + This sent me into a fit of laughter again. Sorry I know that is fluffy of me but still amusing. + Show Spoiler + On September 23 2012 09:13 thrawn2112 wrote: Also according to my logic case kush is scum, or the mason claim is false, or no scum voted drazak, or I hallucinated while reading my role pm Then why is kush town to you blahsasdfsadf... I guess I will find out in later posts. + Show Spoiler + On September 23 2012 10:48 thrawn2112 wrote: I don't know why a scum kush would have tried so hard to change everyone's vote to stutters(green). Remedy(green) was already looking very likely to be lynched yet kush fought hard to change people's votes. Oh hey the very next post... I have to admit this is like the one hole in my argument against kush. However I found so much scummy stuff though. 20 pages? I am assuming most of this is because it is not spoilered. And Thrawn writes long posts. + Show Spoiler + On September 23 2012 16:15 thrawn2112 wrote: First, kush's case against jacob and whatever I think while reading his filter: The first accusation you make is that he's an active lurker (a weird phrase but I know what you mean) and that he doesn't take stances. So I'm gonna talk about some of his reads. Here's the first read he makes: (here) It comes in at a time when sonic and I were going at it pretty strongly and his opinion on the issue is, well I don't really know. He doesn't give it. He does sorta talk about the issue but does not come out and say if he thinks either sonic or I look more scummy, and in his next post he has this to say about the issue: "I am going to stay mostly away from the thrawn kush sonic debacle for the moment it’s not as clear as it should be." Jacob what was so unclear about it that caused you to not want to discuss it? Later in that same post he talks about the debears/thrawn issue and ends up saying this: "Both are plausible I will need more time to work out which is which" but he doesn't end up posting that read. Those are the two most dramatic issues of the start of the game but he doesn't want to talk about them or he needs more time to work them out but ends up not doing so. What I remember most from jacob's posting was the rethos stuff. So, rethos comes into the thread saying that he had a lurking plan. Jacob asks him this:"Wait you were lurking on purpose? That is your entire reason for lurking? "Hey guys don't lynch me I was lurking on purpose" Why would you do that? What do you gain from it? (apart from a social life) Please elaborate". He does question rethos but if there is any suspicion contained in those questions it is very faint. Then after rethos responds jacob makes this post and he never commits too strongly to believing or disbelieving rethos. It's a bunch of sentences and each contain very slight reads that are in contradiction with the read of the other sentences. He finally commits to a scum read on rethos in this post: He points out that rethos lied several times. This was something that I pointed out first, and something that jacob did not even seem to think was happening before I posted about it. And at the end of the post there's the "if's he's town" part where he could be leaving himself an out. Here are some posts that are representative of what I'm talking about when I say his posts don't contain reads: So.... did what stutters did make him suspicious or not? Another similar post: Once again I by the time I finish reading the post I have no idea what his final read was. Go read his filter and a lot of it's similar to the two above quotes. After reading a jacob post you are left with a often weak and sometimes dizzying notion of what jacob's actual read is. When he gives reads a lot of times he'll throw in one of these: (but here's something that could make my read the opposite of what it is) Another one of your points about him is that it's not the same jacob from last game. I went through his filter from that game and he does ramble on a lot but he does no where near the amount of providing himself outs for his reads. So yeah I'd say jacob looks scummy. I will post this and actually go though this here. I was going to do this after I finished my cases but because of what happened I am going though everyones filters -_- I mentioned this before but I was very busy the first days, I was still able to post a fair amount but the quality as you said wasn’t that great. It was unclear just because you were going back and forth about lists and fluff for mafia when you were creating it as well. I didn’t bother discussing it because I figured it would become clear later on when I had more time anyway. You go at my accusations on rethos being faint, I think I already mentioned that this is typical when I run into something that doesn’t make sense. I ask a lot of questions. Yeah you pointed out the lying thing first (although this is probably the only thing you pointed out you said first that you actually did say first) however my strongest town read at the time points out an argument I take notice. Already mentioned the stutters thing that did make him suspicious. Etc.. + Show Spoiler + On September 23 2012 19:31 thrawn2112 wrote: That case does influence my read of jacob to be more townish than I previously thought. Not because of the quality of the arguments (i'll let you know what I think about the actual case when I finish reading it) but because of the sheer amount of work he put into it and how he is actually very clear with his accusations which was my (and kush's) problem with his previous posting. I'm starting to think that the interactions and accusations between me/jacob/kush (all varying degrees of the more active posters in the thread) suggests that there could be a large portion of mafia among the lurkers. I mentioned this before but just so you know the reason I am suddenly clearer and putting more effort in is because I am not in the clear by way of commitments. (as in irl commitments) He goes at killing but after reading killings filter he is only really scummy if associated with kush. + Show Spoiler + On September 24 2012 07:34 thrawn2112 wrote: Can you post the mason qt again? I don't doubt you're mason but at this point I want to consider every possibility. So please post it as soon as you humanly can. Seems to want to be extra sure, after being sure many times. Ok it’s last page so I only partly read it as it is what just happened. So now my hurm thrawn is a little stranger than I thought but considering the amount of filter he has you would expect more slips and he says a lot of town things as well case is over. Also thrawn still feels town. ^ that’s my read. I will discuss something. First kush number one scum read. Second killing when associated with kush. On par dandel at the moment (will get to this) Then thrawn. However... if killing actually isn’t associated in anyway with kush then I would say thrawns filter is actually a little more scummy. BUT killing lurked (so harder to find stuff) he also was more non committal (if I remember) so I will vote killing to save thrawn if it comes down to that because he is much more scummy with the strong accosiation case I have and it is close without it. However here is my revelation. (dun du dun) Dandel is in both my scum teams. Same as what happened last game with sonic. Kush killing dandel seems to make sense from the perspective if kush defending dandel and going at stutters/remedy only. If I am wrong then Thrawn/dandel/debears? While I think it is less likely thrawn could have read the situation as being to suspicious not to go at dandel (when he was rethos) and started bussing him. So in other words before I read Atreides filter Kush Dandel/killing Thrawn/everyone else. now I will look at the recent developments... | ||
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On September 24 2012 21:01 Dandel Ion wrote: I@Jacob: You still planning to do a case on me? Cause you've been promising it for a loooong time. yeah you were after thrawn actually, however because of killin kush I did kush and I was going to do atreides because his was shorter lol. it's been a long time because well I am doing complete cases man... | ||
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On September 24 2012 21:12 kushm4sta wrote: maybe I'm just a dumb American but I don't get you joke Actually it might not be a joke anymore, however unlikely. | ||
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The Day 2 Boy who cried wolf: (mind that with the titles i am tired and this research is gettin so old so I'm having some fun) I can attest to this, I often wonder of track. I have to admit the case you have on thrawn is actually quite good... (more organized than mine anyway) However the reply about he mason thing in my mind looks acceptible, the switching targets thing I brought up but I do that a lot as town as well. | ||
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On September 24 2012 21:38 kushm4sta wrote: not paying attention in class high as fuck logic post: what the fuck is going on with thrawn's double rb claim? RB PLEASE ROLECLAIM IF YOU EXIST. Also if anyone else got roleblocked please claim. I'm going to assume that there is no town rb. One of the following is true 1 Scum is roleblocking town thrawn. 2 Scum thrawn knows there is no scum rb or chooses not to use it. So he is trying to take advantage of that role vacancy by pretending that scum is roleblocking him. 2 is actually a good idea but it almost seems too conspiracy theoryish to be true. Are there other opinions on this because it's quite possible I'm missing something. da fa? Oh role blocker thought you meant jail keeper. Yeah two was my conspiracy theory as well. The role claim might not be wise but this is possibly the last day.. (oh just reminded me I have to make a post about this) | ||
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On September 24 2012 21:41 Dandel Ion wrote: More importantly, if we have a DT, now would be the best time ever to claim. (thrawn already said that, but it's trueeeee) You don't even need to bring a red check, by now, I'd be happy with some green checks. Yeah but you can't back up a DT claim because he was invisible *sigh my jokes are getting worse* I assume you mean cop? | ||
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On September 24 2012 21:44 Dandel Ion wrote: Do you actually think you are capable of changing your mind? Cause I don't, and I know how your case will turn out already. I am, after all, apparantly on both your scumteams before you even looked through my filter. That's not even funny anymore..... Hey I have seen your filter... I have followed you since the rethos thing... I am not bilnd just don't have the total back up that I need. | ||
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On September 24 2012 19:48 Atreides- wrote: I believe the possible roles are: 5 town, 3 mafia 5 town, 2 mafia, 1 SK 4 town, 3 mafia, 1 SK Actually I was going to make a post on this about there possibly being less mafia but you covered it... I think it must have been someone else that posted it odd.. | ||
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Ok atreides posts ones every few hours it seems and looking at time stamps often around the same times (in other words this only means he isn’t pretending to be away he is consistent) + Show Spoiler + On September 19 2012 07:35 Atreides- wrote: @ KillingTime and Sharrant: point taken on the FOS thing. I'm not sure what to make of debears. Trying to establish thrawn as town is bad play, whether he's town or mafia himself. Right now I'm leaning towards it being an illogical claim, rather than an attempt for mafia to blend in. The latter just seems too simple and obvious. I don't think there's enough to make a strong claim for debears being town/mafia yet. It's very possible that he's town, and mafia are sitting quietly and laughing. SDM raised some good points, but I'm not convinced on Sharrant yet. Going to wait for him to post before I comment on that. Also need some others to post! Doesn’t have a strong read on sharrent but this is typical of new town or lurking scum. Encourages others to post. + Show Spoiler + On September 19 2012 11:55 Atreides- wrote: In defense of Sharrant - He's in a similar position to debears - bad decisions do not necessarily mean scum. Think about it - what could a mafia hope to gain by this? Getting a lynch is far too ambitious, and a role claim isn't worth getting so much attention to yourself. Mafia wouldn't want to aggressively pursue targets, they want to passively follow the crowd. Sharrant rode hard on debears, and has shown that he's willing to use his vote freely. I think that trying to get a role claim is a bad idea (debears will claim vanilla town no matter what role he is, this tells us nothing) but I don't see what's scummy about that. He's actively scumhunting, and both of his ideas (kush being SK, pressuring on debears) are original. Someone mentioned the possibility of debears+thrawn being masons, which is something I didn't think of. The bromance between the two is pretty apparent since the beginning. Both have said that they believe the other is town, and they've used FOS (against sonic) and vote (against Sharrant) in unison. Thoughts? I don't see a strong case for both debears and Sharrant right now. I'd be more inclined to vote for KillingTime if anything. Says he would be more inclined to vote killing but doesn’t put reasoning behind it. + Show Spoiler + On September 19 2012 19:27 Atreides- wrote: This post is very striking. It's your second post, the first one being about the same topic. Kush's early comments have been discussed and are pretty irrelevant now. Your last paragraph asks a question which has been answered already, and doesn't contribute. I'm getting the vibe of someone who's posting only because he feels pressured to post. At this point the only thing I know is that he is posting very conservatively. Not strong either way. On September 20 2012 02:14 Atreides- wrote: I'll be back after class with a post, but right now I'm leaning towards shutters and cubu. I don't see a strong enough case for debears / sharrant. For now, ##VOTE: Shutters695 Ok here it becomes more funny, leans towards cubu and stutters based on? I assume for cubu it was based entirely on lurking but he doesn’t say that. However if we go back he does have a case on stutters. (seems like stutters is only posting because he is pressured) not exactly a dynamite case considering everything that was happening day one. + Show Spoiler + On September 20 2012 06:41 Atreides- wrote: Oh man, what an interesting situation. Some possible outcomes: 1) We decide to lynch Sharrant, he then outs the other mason. Pretty bad outcome as the mason will simply die. 2) Sharrant outs a mason, he confirms, and we lynch cubu or killing. At this point it's very unlikely for both Sharrant and his ally to be mafia, and more likely for both to be masons. Relatively strong outcome. 3) We lynch Sharrant without him revealing the mason. If he was bluffing and flips red, this is a huge win, but it's a stretch. If he flips mason, we're in trouble. 4) Sharrant doesn't reveal the mason and we lynch cubu or killing. This seems like rolling the dice, as we wouldn't have any idea if Sharrant is lying or not, and it's very possible for us to lynch a townie on top of that. I'm leaning towards 2) as an option right now unless something changes. From the description it sounds like masons come in pairs, and it'd be extremely unlikely for there to be more than 2 masons in any case. If I'm wrong on any of the game mechanics here please correct me. I feel that both Killing and Stutters are slightly scummy/lurky but cubu sounds like a strong vote as well. I was hoping for him to post by now. ##unvote ##vote cubu Ok he goes off stutters without warning purely based on the mason thing. No reason for changing but at least he goes back to his killing/cubu reads. (I still don’t know why he is going for killing) Only reason I can see is the Fos thing. Admittedly all arguments day one are weak though. + Show Spoiler + On September 20 2012 09:01 Atreides- wrote: God damn this thread blew up fast. I would've went with a no lynch over Drazak but it doesn't matter now. Says no lynch over drazak this for me is actually his first strong town cred thing. Yes he pops up right after the post but he defended drazak before had no reads on drazak and such... so why would he want a vote on drazak? + Show Spoiler + On September 20 2012 09:16 Atreides- wrote: I wasn't around after my last post, and I mixed up the voting deadline by an hour (thought it would be an hour from now, my bad). Your last sentence is a pretty moot point since it'd look equally bad for me if he flipped red. The instant bandwagon against him is pretty interesting, and it's obvious now that the mafia had a strong hand in it. Saying it is obvious mafia had a strong hand in it is not great he could know more than he lets on... possible and likely though. I will leave out the missing the deadline and timings because same thing was happening with stutters who was town) + Show Spoiler + On September 20 2012 15:10 Atreides- wrote: There weren't any exceptionally strong arguments against killer / drazak. The consensus was "eh, he's kinda scummy, and kinda lurking, and he's kinda the best option, let's kill him and see what happens". The problem with choosing between killer and drazak is that, like I meant earlier, mafia has a lot of power here. If killer turns out to be mafia, his team can go for a drazak vote and the bandwagon easily follows because nobody has strong feelings one way or the other. The time constraint and confusion was really perfect for something like this. So yeah, as a principle I'd support no-lynching (on day one only) versus doing a half-assed lynch on someone else. He is consistent. Now the question is he trying too hard to be consistent. (unlikely) So at the moment he is in the hot seat for being consistent posting at an odd time. And making decent arguments. K (Admittedly I haven’t seen the recent arguments about him in much depth I will do that after I finish at the moment just the filter) + Show Spoiler + On September 20 2012 17:25 Atreides- wrote: Guess I'm in the hot seat for now. Note that I voted for cubu before he was revealed as a mason, and before I knew about the no-lynch possibility. Cubu is also a different breed than killing+drazak. The latter two made some posts, and I hoped that in days 2 and beyond they would be more active. I looked at cubu's filter and his posts from last game, and he didn't do anything at all. He isn't a lurker, he's a non-player. Meaning that, even if he's lynched and turns out to be town, nothing of value was lost. Whereas if killing+drazak flip blue we lose some contribution. Flip blue, not town blue... as town with no help from anyone or discussion about blues and who could be blue why would one of them possibly flip blue... actually I am going to bold this I want an answer, for the most part you seem town but this set alarm bells off. + Show Spoiler + On September 21 2012 11:01 Atreides- wrote: I had meant to post this afternoon but internet went out.. posting from my phone for now. After the post where I voted cubu I went to a school event with the intention of coming back an hour before lynch. I come back to find that lynch time is almost here and start skimming the recent posts. I knew it was too late to do analysis and impact the lynch in any way, and ended up posting that one liner. If I was mafia and lurking the whole time, I would have posted a while earlier (or not at all), and I wouldve at least changed my vote ffs. I guess you could make the argument that I faked being afk to earn some "town cred" but that's a stretch because there's little to gain from that and there were so many easy plays available. Now I see why my 2nd post after lynch was kinda bad mistake. It was hasty and based on the fact that drazak got so many votes so fast. This is a reasonable explanation he does the if I was mafia thing but I did that as well. His next big scum read is stutters (consistent at least) + Show Spoiler + On September 22 2012 17:16 Atreides- wrote: Just got finished with a Skyrim spree...some thoughts on thrawn - 1) Hopping on the bandwagon Early in day 1 he votes Sharrant with this post: Which occurs right after Sonic's long post in which he states why Sharrant is very scummy. Note that he doesn't address Sonic's post at all. Previous to the post, thrawn was arguing with Sharrant and suspicious of him but hadn't passed judgement one way or another. After Sonic's post, and once Sharrant became the main topic of discussion, thrawn was very open to lynching him: However I didn't think of anything at the time these posts were happening, because Sharrant was making some strange posts at the time, and more importantly the fact that thrawn was first to call out Sharrant. Next, what I think is a huge slip, his vote on drazak: Initially he believes that both killer and drazak are scummy lurkers and is willing to vote for either: Sharrant votes drazak as a lurker policy lynch. Sonic votes based on the change in his meta and his bandwagon vote on Sharrant. Kush votes and admits to bandwagoning. Thrawn copycats Sonic's reasoning and votes drazak after kush. Drazak's post: Thrawn's post: Once the focus is on drazak, thrawn changes his opinion and believes drazak is the stronger vote. Now, what really stands out to me is this: drazak literally admitted to bandwagoning. In thrawn's recent post in the previous page, he says this: + Show Spoiler + On September 22 2012 13:53 thrawn2112 wrote: I've been looking at the final vote count. I think it's very very safe to assume that at least 1 mafia voted for drazak. The people who voted for drazak are: Sharrant, Sonic Death Monkey, kushm4sta, thrawn2112, Stutters695. So then I removed sharrant, sonic, and myself, which leaves kush and stutters. Out of those two I think it's more likely stutters is scum. And when I look at their votes, kush made that retarded "ok looks like drazzak is the bandwagon then" vote. Originally it looked suspicious but consider this... why the fuck would a mafia player bandwagon onto a townie lynch and then use such a terrible phrase? Especially to even include the word bandwagon? That imo, is a colossal error that I don't think anyone would be capable of. (well maybe yourharry would find some way to rationalize it) So, that leaves stutters who already looks suspicious, both for lurking, and because of how he stops lurking to pop in the thread once someone calls him out. So if all the follwoing is true, Stutters has to be scum 1: At least 1 mafia voted for drazak 2: There are no holes we've overlooked in sharrant's mason claim 3: My reasoning about kush's vote is extremely likely to be correct (4: and an additional one for people other than myself would be that thrawn is town) For me of course 4 is 100 true. 2 is so close to 100 percent true it may as well be 100 percent. Then I think 3 is the next most likely and 1 is probably the part of the theory I have the most hesitations about. However I think 1 and 3 are solid enough. So in other words I think stutters is a pretty damn good lynch option. Not only for all the reasons just mentioned but also because he's a huge lurker. So kush isn't suspicious because mafia would never admit to bandwagon posting, but drazak was? This is a very big contradiction. After the lynch sonic and debears called me out on my posts, and I get a FOS from sonic. Thrawn jumps in and mirrors the arguments already made against me. His only original argument against me, and one which he repeated in the last page: + Show Spoiler + On September 21 2012 00:53 thrawn2112 wrote: Add this to the contradictory things atreides has said: In that post he lists a bunch of scenarios and in 2 of them he advises lynching killing or cubu. He says the best option is option 2 which is if sharrant outs a mason and the mason confirms then we lynch cubu or killing. Sharrant ended up outing cubu as a mason so obviously cubu would no longer be his lynch choice which leaves killing as his preferred option. Of course cubu didn't confirm... but it still looks liek a contradiction because of how much he had talked about lynching killing in that post But then he comes into the thread and said he would have preferred a no lynch and that "There weren't any exceptionally strong arguments against killer / drazak." His lynch reads before the cubu reveal were killing, stutters, and cubu but then later he says he wants a no-lynch because there weren't any good lynch candidates? On September 22 2012 12:37 thrawn2112 wrote: Atreides the timezone explanation is not the one I was looking for that would set aside my doubts about your coming into the thread right as the deadline happened but it's believable. Also, the fact that marv posted about the no-lynch idea right after you posted your last post before deadline makes me accept that your no-lynch comment probably wasn't some sort of lie that you made up on the spot and had no prior knowledge of. The one thing that I'm stuck on is why you would think a no lynch would be better than lynching killing who you had previously said was an acceptable lynch. But anyways those were the main points of my N1 case against you. Apart from those points you've said some questionable things but quality =/= indication of alignment especially in a newbie game so you're down to a null-read. Wanna see you post more as that improves the quality of the read I can make on you. I don't think atreides should be a lynch candidate. The stuff I just posted is enough for me to not have a scumread on him anymore. He has been lurking but if we have to go for a lurker stutters is a much better choice. It's a very odd argument because I made it clear that the knowledge of no-lynch as an option changed my stance on voting. In the second post within the spoiler, thrawn says that I'm no longer suspicious and yet he still has that same point against me. When the focus shifted away from me, so did thrawn's suspicion. Lastly, on to his posts about stutters, who is now the topic of discussion. I feel that everyone has the same opinion on stutters right now, he's a solid lynch candidate but that's mostly due to lurking. I can't make a read off of thrawn here. 2) Ineffectual posting This is more of a wishy washy argument but I get the feeling that thrawn isn't playing strong at all this game compared to what he's used to. I would expect better from one of the more experienced players here. Two examples would be his case against me, and this post: I think that Remedy's post lacked explanation (which is usual for him...) but I don't see what's scummy about it. Your read that Remedy is scummy for providing reasons to sonic's death is opposite. If anything mafia would want to feign ignorance about his death, to make it seem like they had no part in it. Possible reasons for this: a) he's mafia, trying to make accusations and cases against people to seem town b) self-preservation, although him being blue is slightly unlikely c) coincidence? he's just having a bad game? I'm just way off base? For people that don’t think he is posting cases and opinions here you go. He is making me less sure on thrawn to be honest. After debears myself and then running into this I am starting to have doubts. (however still wouldn’t vote thrawn over killing at this point but...) + Show Spoiler + On September 23 2012 07:40 Atreides- wrote: ugghhh Stutters is a bad vote, right now I don't feel comfortable lynching him without him posting more. I think that his lurking is him genuinely being busy rather than intentional (due to his lurking last game. he once went 2-3 days without a post). After my last post I would have felt strong about voting thrawn, I think I made a good case against him but it was pretty much swept under the rug. Seems like I'm alone here, and there's no chance of him getting votes. However at the very least I suggest looking into my post and his filter...being active doesn't make you town. Dandel doesn't come off as scummy to me yet, and I posted earlier why I didn't buy the case against rethos. He's open to lynching debears, stutters, remedy, and possibly another lurker. Meaning if he's mafia it's less likely for these others to be mafia as well. Remedy...I think he's a last resort lynch at best. I can't make any reads off him. His activity is in line with what he said his work schedule would be. His posts are too short, he votes without explanation, and his arguments don't make much sense...but I have trouble differentiating this between mafia and confused town. So originally this looked like scum city. Still kinda does. Tells us close to the end that all three aren’t scummy enough to lynch when they are the only ones we can lynch. However considering he just started up at thrawn with his first solid argument then it makes sense why he things that the other arguments are weaker. Page 2, + Show Spoiler + On September 23 2012 08:22 Atreides- wrote: Remedy isn't a clear case at all, he's a total crapshoot. I think it's just as likely he's a confused town instead of a mafia. I don't see how anyone can make a strong read off of what little he said. My case against thrawn is what I'd consider a strong case. 6 out of 11 people have voted for Remedy...so either all the town is convinced that he's mafia, or some of his bandwagon voters are mafia themselves. I should have done this much earlier ##Vote: thrawn2112 The one advantage to lynching Remedy is that, even if he's town, we don't lose an important poster but we do gain good reads on the people who voted for him. In that way I prefer him over dandel. Good point (with the numbers) good reaction to it. I guess my re-evaluation post on thrawn did its job, before I would have almost dismissed this due to my feel read. (that said I only have Atreides side of the story I need to look at thrawns recent case against him (as that was the one page I missed due to it being recent) + Show Spoiler + On September 23 2012 10:20 Atreides- wrote: does anyone still think thrawn is town? I'll literally eat my keyboard if he avoids the lynch this time around Hurm... (he continues to bring up points on thrawn that are actually quite good contradiction wise) Hard to believe thrawn could post that much as scum though. + Show Spoiler + On September 24 2012 08:01 Atreides- wrote: On jacob, arlier when pressure was on me, he sort of defended me rather than joining a bandwagon. So he gets small points for that. I looked at kush's case against him so far, will look into him myself next. I didn't actually know he existed until day 2... Was hardly aware you existed as well to be honest... + Show Spoiler + On September 24 2012 19:31 Atreides- wrote: Awesome, I'm not alone now. If kush and sparky vote then we should have majority. One thing that disturbs me is that thrawn said he was roleblocked both nights. From a town perspective, this makes sense if mafia believes that thrawn is a blue. From a mafia perspective, this makes no sense. Why would a town roleblock thrawn night 1? At that time, he was basically the unscummiest player in the game. So if we assume thrawn is mafia, we have to assume that he's been lying about the roleblocks. (Basically same point kush made) Another point is that, who would be his teammates? I looked at the interaction between him and jacob, and I can see those two easily being scumbuddies. Nobody else is an obvious fit into this though. Those are just small reservations though, I think the case against him is overwhelming at this point. ##Vote: Thrawn2112 He could be mafia deciding not to use the roleblocks to make thrawn look really town. (mentioned this before) Ok end of filter. I don’t think Atreides is scum I currently have a town read on him, that said he is going after thrawn but with really good reasoning.... However I really want an answer about the blue thing. That was probably the single most outstanding thing I encountered. | ||
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On September 25 2012 06:28 kushm4sta wrote: Thrawn there is still more than a day left. I still want Jacob to explain that joke cause it makes no sense to me. Oh just drop it kush, it's not funny anymore considering it was one of my jokes it probably never was and it's just going to get even un-funnier if I explain it. | ||
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Just an update, I still think kush highest scum read followed by dandel followed by killing/thrawn. So.. I am going to start with just dandles filter, we all know what rethos was like but I am going to pretend he never existed. Four page filter Page 1 + Show Spoiler + On September 21 2012 22:57 Dandel Ion wrote: Also, some LOGIC about the roleblock and nightkill to start things off: SDM probably roleblocked you. In fact, IF you have been roleblocked, it was SDM. Reasoning: It was redundant for him to roleblock one of the masons. You all treat the masons as confirmed town, but they really are not. As long as none of them flip, there will remain some doubt. And it could possibly surface at a very bad time for town. It would be incredibly stupid for scum to shoot one mason, and leave the other in the game. During Night 1, that is. Now the thing is, scum got lucky and hit the jailkeeper, which means they could possibly kill Sharrant and Sharky during the next 2 nightphases. If they did not hit the JK, they wouldn't be practiaclly able to whack either, because the JK could just camp the confirmed town. Sure, scum can then hit anyone else, but that's a long time to leave a confirmed townie running around. Might as well start shooting into the crowd right away. Which they did. tl;dr: SDM was a smart man. And scum is unfortunately not mentally handicapped. Also, EVERY roleblock happening absolutely needs to be claimed. I would think that should be a no-brainer for townies, but I want to say it. If there's anyone else that got roleblocked during the night, please claim too. It could be because he hasn’t read the thread but I think at this point that we know sharrent was Role blocked. Even if not the fact he can talk about it as the first thing means he probably knows what happened. + Show Spoiler + On September 22 2012 00:30 Dandel Ion wrote: Ah, so Sharrant got JK'd. Yes, that MUST have been SDM. Scum RB'd thrawn then. Too bad I already gave SDM credit for not JK'ing Sharrant (or Sharky), now it turns out he did :/ No wait here we are. In other words it’s just odd this was the first thing he was able to talk about. + Show Spoiler + On September 22 2012 00:36 Dandel Ion wrote: It would make zero sense for a town RB (RB doesn't protect from nighthits) to block thrawn of all people. Yeah cause you totally think thrawn is town right now -_- + Show Spoiler + On September 22 2012 01:10 Dandel Ion wrote: Disclaimer: I am not done with reading the thread and respective filters Right now, I have deep suspicions of Remedy. No sure if they will stand, but I think they may. I'd also be down for lynching Stutters, Killing or Atreides, but all of them are mostly policy about lurking/non-conributing, and less about actual scumreads. I do think, however, that getting rid of lurkers one way or the other is absolutely necessary looking towards MYLO/LYLO. If there's only 1 or 2 lurkers, that could be easily solved with a vig shot, but we have 3 (4 counting the late rethos), and possibly no Vig at all. Which sucks. I need to look more into debears, so I'd like to withhold judgement for now, but I'll bring him up if I see something suspicious. Sorry to be "that guy", but I'll come back to this later. Ok he would be ok lynching stutters/remedy (both flip green) killing and Atreides. Killing and Atreides are both town reads of mine (before accosiation) but it is hard to tell without any filter to go though. It seems like he is just picking every lurker that wasn’t rethos (oh wait I forgot he doesn’t exist again) + Show Spoiler + Because he's being SUPER useless while being "confirmed" town. And that makes me mad. Cause if he keeps that up when Sharrant gets shot (and Sharrant WILL get shot soon, since he's the only mason that actually does ANYTHING), it ain't gonna be pretty. Knows sharrent was going to get shot. In the same post goes after debears simply for accusing him. + Show Spoiler + On September 22 2012 20:09 Dandel Ion wrote: Why is everyone* so focused on SK? It's not even sure there is one (in fact, it's more likely there is not), and even if there is, finding him is almost the same as scumhunting, he just has no teammates to either give him away or protect him. You can worry about the SK when people keep dying and you already got 2 scum, but the way this game is going, you're not gonna have even a single scum anytime soon. Pls go back to looking for scum, instead of speculating about SK. Thx. *slight exaggeration Know we aren’t going to have a single scum, and that is a massive exaggeration. Two out of like 13 people obsessed with the Sk. (and I was obsessed with him pregame mind you) + Show Spoiler + On September 23 2012 00:24 Dandel Ion wrote: What? lol Are you trying to make this personal? If so, you're not doing a good job of it. I got suspicious of you when I saw how distracting and disruptive you were in the beginning, without contributing. That was before you made your weird posts where you clearly didn't (want to) understand what was actually going on. Were you trying to hit a nerve? Cause you didn't. Maybe you're frustrated because of that now? And "shitty" and "no-content" is not pro-town, no matter what you tell yourself. No he didn’t do a good job of it, if you want personal look at his case against debears after one post against him. + Show Spoiler + On September 23 2012 00:52 Dandel Ion wrote: Eh, if that's going to be the wagon, so be it. ##unvote ##vote stutters Wagons with ease. Still several hours before the lynch. + Show Spoiler + On September 23 2012 02:12 Dandel Ion wrote: wtf I've said multiple times that I was willing to lynch Stutters too, what more do you need? I think you said multiple times you were going to lynch everyone. + Show Spoiler + I NEVER, even remotely called for a vig shot on anyone. The ONLY thing I said was that it's a valid strategy for lurkers to be dispatched by Vigs. I even said, in the same post, that it doesn't apply to this particular game, because everyone and their mother lurks here. Honestly I wish it did happen, would have made my day so much easier and my mother does not lurk here that is a blatant lie. + Show Spoiler + On September 23 2012 06:39 Dandel Ion wrote: Hm, Ninja'd Well, I think Remedy is scum. I even made a case on him, so pls no hate for voteswitching, kk? ##unvote ##vote Remedy Hey let’s just call everyone scum so I have a reason for switching in an instant. + Show Spoiler + On September 23 2012 06:45 Dandel Ion wrote: Why do you think you NEED an argument? Interesting wording you have there. Well you obviously you don’t need one. (ok I will admit I am annoyed...) + Show Spoiler + On September 23 2012 07:45 Dandel Ion wrote: So thrawn is the only one you want to lynch... Come on, there are three scum in the game. Sit down and share some reads with your Well out of the three people in serious question at the time both but you flipped town. Well the rest of his filter is just the recent arguments. Now it is a weakish case but this is completely ignoring every scummy action that rethos made. I don’t think ignoring that is the logical thing to do. I am going out at 1 and will be back at night. This gives me 12 or so hours to hammer down my only strong case left. Kush. I will do debears filter (assuming we hit mafia in this lynch{although a vig should could still keep us even}) but my goal right now is to make absolutely sure we get scum. The only way I can be sure of this is if we lynch kush, admittedly thrawn considering recent arguments could be scum as well but... oh and because he is my only strong read and you want votes: ##VOTE: Kushm4sta | ||
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On September 25 2012 11:57 kushm4sta wrote: thrawn that is jacob's second best read Mainly because of rethos, I ignored every interaction dandel had with rethos every mention of it every single one... I acted like the most scummy person in the game (apart from you) didn't exist. | ||
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On September 25 2012 12:01 kushm4sta wrote: @jacob You are adamant that I'm scummy but you are the only one. It's such an act. I can’t wait, for the day you are scum and everyone ignores you based on your town meta. On that I must congratulate you. But I don’t think I need to wait... On September 25 2012 12:08 kushm4sta wrote: I think a thrawn quote is applicable here. Are you scum or are you retarded? How could you think you were going to be killed... Well from my point of view. My point of view has me at 100% confirmed town, it also has me as someone with good feel intuition reads as the game goes on(source last game) It also had me not waking up in time to complete my cases granting the opportunity to kill me before I posted them. I was honestly worried that I might have pushed my cases too soon (in the night) On September 25 2012 13:26 debears wrote: lol....i see your point. Has marv trolled us and put 2 mafia families in this game??? lol And this is why I will never be a mod... On September 25 2012 20:13 Dandel Ion wrote: @debears: No, newbie mafia games are serious business and pretty much don't troll the players, ever. @everyone: Sorry for shitposting yesterday evening. the i was an i with an accent circumflex (= ^ ) combined to make an awesome arrow pointing up, and the breadcrumb was that thrawn is scum. A stupid post when sober, but I wasn't at that time. -_- I can understand being drunk but you had me searching the posts after the night trying to find a stupid i with an arrow... However, the game isn’t over yet... Just say thrawn flips town. We still have the possibility of a vig to even the night post and give us another day. We also have the possibility of a role blocker to (one in a million{ok one in like 6?}) block the scum. There is also the chance he flips Sk, (seems to be no sk hits and thrawn blocked twice) I think this could be likely because one of the reasons I don’t think he is scum is he seems to be scum hunting with impunity. (Although that is ironic considering his current situation) this is something mafia can’t do but an SK or town could do. Also he does flip scum, It could be an amazing bus (considering I am the only one defending him there are at least 2 mafia on board(or 3 from my point of view but not everyone has voted I don’t think) with an association case on me. In that situation I doubt there is anything I could do... | ||
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But then I said from my perspective there would be three. Also yeah I am not sure what I can say... I am not even sure what I can say that won’t be discounted now. In regards to me defending too hard, I could also just think we aren't lynching the strongest scum read. In other words I am screwed until lynch and after lynch town is screwed... | ||
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On September 26 2012 06:23 thrawn2112 wrote: how does that factor into your vote for me or debears?. who out of us do you think is scummier? or even jacob for that matter. No clue at all why'd he'd vote for kush when we're at mylo and kush is like the least likely person to be lynched. other than sharky of course. well maybe not. Unfortunately kush is “confirmed town” so yeah I am looking for an alternate wagon I was thinking dandel but after my case on him without taking into account rethos existed I was de-credited by people who didn’t realise I was ignoring that entire section. On September 26 2012 04:09 thrawn2112 wrote: i hope you guys learn your lesson... in mylo situation where people immediately start voting for one person with basically no objection from anyone..... something has gone wrong This is what set me off last game and part of the reason I am so concerned... You have kinda blown my mind with the Debears thing tbh... I searched my notes but only found debeards as a possible connection to kush if one of my other theorys was wrong. This doesn’t make sense if you say kush is 100% town. ( I have come up with crazy in the last few minutes thrawn/kush/dandel? Thrawn/kush/Atreides? Debears/kush/killing? Debears/atreides/someone?) Nothing is clicking... I was so tunnelled on kush I am not even sure what is the case if he isn’t mafia... I am so nervous. Do I go with my feel reads or my logic reads. Logic says you voted for every single person and just tried to find one that might stick but your entire play style (imo) could only be pulled off by town or Sk. Atreides is acting really strange in these last few minutes, but I had him as almost sure town. | ||
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I have like an hour to change my entire thinking and start ground up... | ||
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Now i am going to bed. Don't think he is coming back but then he said this On second thought, I'm pretty sure people are gonna change their votes at the last hour or minutes. Is that second to his statment or his going to bed? | ||
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Although in all fairness the lurkers did play a huge part in this game, but having the two berserkers as a scum team (and the cold light of miss-reason from debears) it made for a perfect team. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + iamperfection 09-22-2012 05:41 PM ET (US) cant be its is his birthday 91 SDM 09-22-2012 05:26 PM ET (US) Or maybe he's playing bad this game too just to solve it all d3. 90 SDM 09-22-2012 05:22 PM ET (US) Jacob probably scum too. + Show Spoiler + Alsn 09-23-2012 07:51 PM ET (US) Jacob just made a reaaaally convoluted excuse for his behaviour, posting his supposed "notes". I think that looks extremely scummy as I seriously don't believe anyone would write notes like that. Out of curiosity does anyone want my notes? + Show Spoiler + Oh wow a serial killer read, this thread just got interesting. I have to wonder does a serial killer investigation come back as scum or as serial killer... Because if it comes back as serial killer you would almost have to go for investigation immunity.(making what you say more likely to be true) Also interesting that you say there is a serial killer. “he is, in fact, the serial killer.” You seem very sure there is one, know something we don’t (I guess we will probably know after the first night) However your posting style seems town to me. Just the fact you came up with a long thought out post that appears to make sense. Ok so 13 people three scum mean 9 towns with one serial killer. I am just thinking out loud to see how long the game would last D1 one person dies. I will assume it is town because it almost always is -_- night two people die assuming it’s a worst case scenario that is down to 6 town... D2 just say we hit mafia or the serial killer does. That is down to 2 mafia 1 serial killer and 4 town. D3 considering the likelyhood of hitting mafia one of those days say we hit another. There is 1 mafia 2 town and one serial killer. D4 say mafia or serial killer dies, and then there is one less night kill leaving it at one to one. In other words serial killers mess the entire game up. I better start up my ranting notes again incase people think I am scum down the track, so if you are reading this I am probably about to be lynched. So sonic dies, not unusual because he mentioned the thing about the excitement town has and the only way he could know that is if he was town (he has never been town before) Also safer for mafia than trying to lynch sharrent as probably protected (ironically probably by sonic) Remedy is one I need to watch, debears I need to check, kush is a mess like usual, thrawn slightly off his game? I also need to refresh killings filter. Something minor thrawn has been confirmed town early in previous games but not in this one. Ok kush looks much more strange says he bandwagoned when he planted the seed... I don’t thing thrawn is a good lynch at all, he seems like a solid poster and I don’t want to lose him. Hmm I am far to unfamiliar with the remedy case to know what is up with him and thrawn. Debears is sheeping me now (lol) although he did point out that thrawn is the strongest poster. (Like I thought) Due to me being afk, If we did happen to lynch him then mafia would nk sharrent and I would be the last hope.. it’s bold though but it is kushs style to do something like that. Rethos posted the worst argument in the world.. oh and that is what is confusing me rethos and regent. He lies that manytimes? Surely cracked underpressure.. Two replacements one thread, I wonder who else will conveniently go afk. Need to check danials meta I forgot what it was. Hmm Kush seems extra annoyed. Also hasn’t answered me. Danial seems sane but he has a background of nothing apart from re(whatever hisname is) Oh lol remedy not regent. Daial going on about how we should focus on one person (not him) Woah I just had a thought… stutters is sk, no kill on night one and he was afk the whole night… Also fits a scum meta. Ok thrawn is of his game this I know, he seems so town like though, I need to check if I am being tricked I guess. But I should write notes on debears, he accosiatse with someone outside the thread but scum like behavior is something that isn’t a problem accosiatiog with. (at least in my book) Vig shot is a very anti town thing if you aren’t sure. Also daneil just got insanely emotional and omgus’d over this one post. He provides no reasoning behind it apart from the bad case made by debears. Also (he would flip if he knew I wrote this) but he gets annoyed at people searching for the sk could he be an sk? Dandel has either flipped out or someone hit a nerve. Jumps on both regent and debears for simply calling him out, maybe the arguments are weak need time to go though it. Kush seems awfully funny. Ok quickly before I go, Dandel/ stutters mostlikely sk’s Dandle/remedy mostlikly one scum Kush/stutters most likely scum Thrawn... I am starting to have slight doubts but mostlikley town. Atreides seems to think everyone is a bad or last resort lynch... Funny how debears was on everyones top scum list and suddenly disappeared. Maybe mafia did a day one bus but then ignored it leaving people confused as to why then went on him in the first place. Kush went on him hard as well... hmmm Still he does appear town, i need to read dandles case in depth and if remedy flips scum especially. Kush could be busing debears (weaker argument) he could be with killing (stronger arguerment for the moment. If killing does happen to flip town then the opposite could applied buddying with a town and then pretending to bus debears (he was prime suspect then suddenly drops off the radar) Kush has lost his bite all of a sudden. No flaming no you suck just told me to shut up. Also dandel seemed to know everything... Don’t have movie yet, remind kush that I didn’t have time, also remind kush that last game I was the same up until the point I clicked. At that point far to hard to make wall of text in time. Also remind kush that he hasn’t responded to my posts and has become a puppy dog from a tiger.. also remind boso that he hasn’t answered why he knows so much with so little research. Also remind kush that if I was searching for everything scummy why would be I so hesitant on killing unless he was involved. Also incase of kush being stupider than I thought remind kush that while he posted first on the issue there is no way I could make that post in under 5 min. Also I post a logical thought out listed case must be scum -_- Movie is here Jacob out. Oh a side note if I am wrong completely, and I find thrawn to be scum kush is town killing is town and sharky and sharrent are town. That would leave dbears, dandel and thrawn. Lol gyro on a side not I am drinking champagne for breakfast *paces* Sharrent flip, that means his dandel case isn’t as strong. Still a case there though. Also thrawn could be sk, while I said it as a joke sk wouldn’t likely be suspisous as he can actually just scum hunt and balance kills (which he isn’t getting it seems) Anyway open gummy bears start thrawn case Lerrrooy jenkkings. Looking back at my notes and the debears case I could be biased... my feelings are really strong regarding thrawn though and there isn’t as much evidence as thrawn. Yikes thrawn has a massive case on him... I don’t understand how I missed this? It feels completely wrong though I need to see his defense proper though if I defend him it just gives him a way out Ok haven’t taken notes for ages. Panic... HOdl up dhols up killing comes in starts asking questions dandel imediatly vote switches..... with killing we might have had a majority | ||
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On September 26 2012 11:12 thrawn2112 wrote: i just suck at making reads unless i'm about to be lynched lol yeah people should put more thought into the reads of people getting lynched. They have so much more information to go on because they know their aligment. You basicly worked it out with debears which is all you needed to do. If you survived this day it would have made it really hard to win as mafia. I was avoiding debears a little too much so I would have been lynched and surely kush by the next day(that is a lot of time to play with so little people) would have made some error and been lynched. I was was refreshing the page ready to vote switch if killing jumped on board with Atreis(horribly sorry about this I can never recall your name) Also I like your vig roleclaim, I was breadcrumbing as town Rb but it became obvious we didn't have one so that wouldn't have worked. | ||
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