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On September 23 2012 07:37 kushm4sta wrote: you don't get modkilled for not voting... we learned this already... stop spreading misinformation Based on mods discretion, I mentioned it might not happen but imo likely to happen. | ||
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I am going to start with my largest scum read kush, I am going to go though his entire filter start to end listing everything I find scummy all... 9... pages... First he seems to have an attitude problem from the start. Because this will be a long post (will probably split up the post for different people) I will spoiler most of the posts. [spoiler On September 18 2012 10:48 kushm4sta wrote: ][/spoiler]I am so fucking sick of lurkers from last game. #1 They make the game shittier regardless of if they are scum. #2 They are 100% null reads all game long. You ask them a question and of course they aren't going to responsd because they post like 1 thing a day and dont even read the thread. #3 It gives scum safe people to accuse. Most of the time they aren't mafia but in the 2 games I played both of them had semi-lurker mafia. Lurker Policy: LYNCH ALL LURKERS, semilurkers at the top of the lynch list if we don't have a very strong scumread to bandwagon. He comes into the game annoyed, now normally kush gets annoyed he OMGUS’s people and he rages. But not right off the bat. He seems to be nicer... This part is only a feel read but remember kush and I got to know each other very well last game and we created almost a love story atmosphere. That has not happened this game. We don’t have two towns trying to win the game here we have something entirely different. Also another thing he proposes an introduction that isn’t entirely needed. And does the sorry cubu and I hate cubu in the next post thing. This is back to my meta feel read but I think he is trying too hard to act like himself. + Show Spoiler + And I like to attention whore esp day 1. and If you accuse me of being scum I will omgus and start a flame war with you just because im really sensitive and hate being called scum. drazak knows what I'm talking about. Im trying to play better this game though so f u thrawn. Gives a reason for him omgusing people, this allows him to flame people without logic (something a scum would need later into the game) if he was really trying to improve his game why would he go with omgus flame and not logic? (notice his case on me only came up after I pointed out him as being a high scum read) + Show Spoiler + On September 18 2012 12:08 kushm4sta wrote: remedy getting a good scum read d1 is impossible. It's the easiest thing ever for scum to look like town day 1. Unless we have no lurkers, we should lynch the biggest lurker or the scumiest semilurker but please not someone active. Minor thing but he keeps on about the lurkers while stating he is going to be insanely active (although he has been soo...) Also he goes on about the night kill thing. Is he really that bothered? Does he really think he is a good enough player for that? Considering thrawn is in the thread and he has no reason at this point to suspect him could he be trying to convince people that he is scum by pretending to be worried? (notice when I ask questions like this my own answer is often yes{and he is my biggest scum read as I will continue to go on about}) Could he know that thrawn is mafia so that is why he is “worried”. (at this point haven’t looked into thrawn so this is speculation) This is what I found in page one. Page two. (and one post from day one) + Show Spoiler + On September 19 2012 01:17 kushm4sta wrote: posting on the phone. marv made it seem like in pregame chatter that roles aren't random. so that gives me an innate doubt that sonic would roll mafia again. however I put it in spoilers because I don't believe a case should ever be based on that <_M<+ Show Spoiler + On September 19 2012 01:17 kushm4sta wrote: posting on the phone. marv made it seem like in pregame chatter that roles aren't random. so that gives me an innate doubt that sonic would roll mafia again. however I put it in spoilers because I don't believe a case should ever be based on that <_< he could be confused at this point but with all the other circumstantial evidence and solid evidences I am bringing up this doesn’t help matters. Also he was right... this far into day one See his day one post + Show Spoiler + On September 18 2012 20:56 kushm4sta wrote: @Thrawn: I don't think sonic's survey is particularly scummy. He did the same thing last game. He was scum last game, sure, but I think it's just his MO for day one, scum or town. Also here is why I think sonic is town. I'm putting my reasoning in spoilers because admittedly it's pretty dumb: + Show Spoiler + He was scum for the last 2 games. Do you really think marv would make him scum 3rd game in a row? It's possible but just feels unlikely to me. He has seen one game of sonic, and he says even with sonic being mafia and going on about lists last game that his list making this game is town meta... Looks like he had insider information to me. Back to page two. He FOS’s killing and defense debears then in the next post he FOS’s debears. Then he makes a stupid argument with a scum team day one. (although this is kush’s meta{the stupid part}) + Show Spoiler + On September 19 2012 05:51 kushm4sta wrote: @thrawn you say I made a straight up lie and that's not an accusation I take lightly. if anything it was an exaggeration and not a lie. I don't want to spend a lot of time discussing my scumteam theories, because while I think they help in looking for cases, they do not constitute a case. but I don't like being called a liar so here goes. drazak is connected by saying killing is more suspicious than debears. he says they can't both be mafia so therefore debears isn't mafia. That is the classic mafia defense..defending a teammate by attacking the attacker. and you have defended debears. So that was the basis for that comment. Is it a real case against you? no. Is it a lie though? also no. Now while he is right it may not be a lie but why exaggerate like this? To make someone look worse than they actually are. + Show Spoiler + On September 19 2012 07:32 kushm4sta wrote: Actual lol at supersofts interruption. Wtf is sharrant talking about with this roleclaim? He thinks debears is mafia and wants him to roleclaim that he is mafia? Huh? @sharrant Can you explain this statement? If you mean you want him to roleclaim as blue that is pretty scummy. BTW I'm not as convinced that you are scum as thrawn and sonic so don't get all pissy with me. Role claim comes out and he isn’t suspicious. (Notice this is the second time we have a confirmed town that he isn’t suspicious of right off the bat) Considering his play style is send around accusations like it is nothing he is suddenly a lot more passive. (ok this is a very slight read on this part but I am going though everything) + Show Spoiler + On September 19 2012 11:02 kushm4sta wrote: Thrawn I think you are referring to when sharrant voted for debears right after saying he's not the most suspicious person. People are misunderstanding how some people use ##vote. They use it like ##fos basically and just change their vote a bunch of times throughout the day. I do not think there is anything inherently scummy in that. + Show Spoiler + Whaa? Biggest back flip in the world. He says sharront isn’t scummy because he votes for someone who isn’t his highest scum read. Now we know almost 100% know sharrent is town. But kush seems to know this way back. He probably though “sharrent is probably going to get lynched for being stupid so let’s defend him without reason or cause because I am stupid and mafia and don’t know how to hide the fact I know stuff” (ok maybe minus the second part but kush has succeeded in annoying me to say the least) He continues to go on debears for sheeping (which could be the case I will do a debears case later after my thrawn dandle cases) but when I do go though it I will look at the possibility of a bus or scum etc... Now on to page three... + Show Spoiler + On September 19 2012 11:46 kushm4sta wrote: Killingtime is missing. Seems pretty convenient that he goes missing as soon as the heat is off him. But for now there are more important matters to discuss since I doubt a banwagon on killing is happening. Says a bandwagon on killing won’t go down? It’s like halfway though day two of day one (confusing I know) but there is plenty of time to go at killing why ignore him? (possible scum partner in killing{I will list this in a separate note pad so I don;t forget the connections that could be possible(remember my Wifom case are insane when there is less people{still a lot of people though})) + Show Spoiler + On September 19 2012 12:13 kushm4sta wrote: I think he is very scummy and honestly the only reason I let up on him was because he accused debears who I thought was more scummy. This could be the moment he realised they both ganged up on the same person. + Show Spoiler + On September 20 2012 00:11 kushm4sta wrote: @sharrant Here's what this line of reasoning looks like me. It looks like you are scum and your motivation here is to get someone to roleclaim. Then you back that up with a lurker vote. Except killing really isn't a lurker. And for some reason you ignore the huge lurker cubu. After saying sharrent was bad town as soon as the killing thing comes up he defends him. At this point I would say if kush flips town killing is a strong second lynch (although it is still a little early for the accosiation cases) + Show Spoiler + On September 20 2012 00:47 kushm4sta wrote: @remedy Why would you vote for me at this point? I'm not a serious lynch candidate today. At this point your vote just unfocuses the town. You don't even say why you are voting for me. Your case against me was made a really long time ago. Also it is real weak. And you blast me for the weakness of my cases? You are actually one of the biggest lurkers at this point btw. Yeah he wasn’t a serious lynch canadate but seems like trying to get the focus off him (remedy flips town remember) + Show Spoiler + On September 20 2012 00:59 kushm4sta wrote: @thrawn yes I do think buddying is scummier. why would scum play as strangely as sharrant? question I really want answered from sharrant: is this your first game of forum mafia? I asked him before but he didn't answer. Goes back to defending sharrent only attacking him when he goes after killing (Ok I NEED to look at killings filter again after this the only think I know is everyone kinda thinks he is scum but not enough for lynch{sound like a scum thing?}) + Show Spoiler + On September 20 2012 01:12 kushm4sta wrote: Remedy postpone your suspicion of me until d2 please. Who of the possible lynches, including lurkers, do you want to lynch? Also guys if we are going to have an choice to lynch a lurker, which one shall it be? Cubu's filter is just enough to prevent modkill. Commanding someone to post pone suspicion... at this point (assuming the forum is right with my time{sometimes seems an hour off might need to check my settings}) there is about 9 whole hours of game time left... On two page four (and this is before there is even a flip) + Show Spoiler + On September 20 2012 02:07 kushm4sta wrote: Right now we are trying to figure out who to lynch. That is what town needs to be talking about now, not random suspicions. Why do I want to lynch a lurker? Because sharrant doesn't seem scummy enough to be a better vote than a lurker. I would rather lynch a lurker d1 than have to waste a later vote on a lurker. I do not want there to be the presence of a town lurker for mafia to safely vote for again and again. Are we just going to let cubu lurk all game, posting 1 shitty thing a day, and pray that he's not scum? You may notice I am posting almost every second post in here he is literally that scummy. The only reason I didn’t see it before was one time and two I wanted a love story + Show Spoiler + (This is fluff from me) YOU NEVER LISTEN YOU ARE ALWAYS YOU DRINKING WITHT HE GUYS... Well guess what Kush! Guess WHAT! I am cheating on you with thrawn! (haven’t looked into thrawn yet but he at the moment doesn’t feel like scum) *cough* well anyway. Hit vote on cubu is fine though, (that said cubu confirmed town as well) but if he was defending sharrent this long it makes sense. + Show Spoiler + On September 20 2012 05:34 kushm4sta wrote: OK so as I see it here are our options atm: Sharrant, cubu, killing. Killing is not that much of a lurker. He's not lurker enough to even be considered a lurker IMO. Killing is scummy looking to me, but he looked that way last game too. Again defends killing, now it is possible that he is defending a town he knows is town (like sharrent and others) but honestly this many times? + Show Spoiler + On September 20 2012 07:31 kushm4sta wrote: ok looks like drazzak is the bandwagon then ##vote drazzak I know this was brought up but if thrawns theory is correct and stutters dies and flips town than it must be kush or thrawn right? At the end of my evaluation I guess I will have to see if thrawn looks more mafia than kush (seems unlikely based on a feel read right now) + Show Spoiler + On September 20 2012 09:09 kushm4sta wrote: My thoughts on killing vs drazak. drazak I didn't even think drazak is scummy. I just voted for him now because of the last minute omg we need to vote for someone confusion. 1 he is not that scummy. a lot of scumhunting and nothing that strikes me as a huge scumslip 2 he's not even a lurker. I thought he was more of a lurker but I just went through his filter and I would not consider him a lurker. killingtime i was in the process of reading his filter just now, but i just realized the deadline already passed. so fail. KILILNG DEFENSE OMG WHAT IS THIS EVEN? The likely hood of two sets of masons is VERY low... like.... I can’t believe everyone missed this! + Show Spoiler + On September 20 2012 09:43 kushm4sta wrote: im done for tonight goodbye. and a special fuck you to thrawn for accusing me for voting for drazak. @ thrawn you are the one who pushed a lynch on the active, obviously town, mason. you are the one who right after said it might still be a good idea to lynch cubu. you are the one who shoudl feel bad. goodnight. Again this is only a feed section of my reads but he looks like he is trying too hard to pick fights and be the “aggressive town” more so than usual. Onto page 5... (did I mention this was part of the reason I hoped kush was town? Reading this while is fascinating takes ages) + Show Spoiler + On September 21 2012 02:29 kushm4sta wrote: Then I start reading killing's filter. I was very prepared to switch my vote. Killing did not seem that suspicious to me, but he sure seemed more suspicious than drazak. I was going to finish reading killing's filter, and then write why I think he is a better lynch. Except as I go to write about killing, I realize the deadline has already passed. Fuck me, I think to myself, and I post my incomplete post. Here it is: Now let me clarify something: killingtime is not my strongest scumread. I just thought he was probably a better option than drazak. TL;DR version, drazak flips town ohh no better semi bus killing and then say he isn’t the strongest scum read. + Show Spoiler + On September 21 2012 02:39 kushm4sta wrote: In a few hours I will be back to read the thread closely and post my thoughts. But right now here's where i am. For now, debears is my top scumread. He was since yesterday and yeah nothing has changed. Need to read his newer posts though. Thrawn seems significantly off his meta. Anyone who has played with him before recognize this? He's angrier, more accusatory. And I think a lot of his reads are uncharacteristically bad. According to this thrawn is off his meta I am off my meta (he mentions his later) and I think kush is off his meta. Anyway he does this to thrawn and myself (note thrawns case will have updates about the others kush and dandle in it as I go though it but I am doing main cases first. With parts of others in there) It’s kinda easy to suggest someone is off there meta (I am doing it as well) but I am backing it up with a huge amount of evidence unlike kush who sends it out there with little to no back up (meta reads are kinda feel reads at times {for example until now I have been far more busy so that off sets it etc...) + Show Spoiler + On September 21 2012 03:12 kushm4sta wrote: I just want to give everyone some advice because a lot of the reads I'm seeing are straight up ass. atreides saying mafia had a hand in drazzak lynch. there is no mafia motivation for saying that. just because someone says something stupid does not make them mafia. you have to look at peoples motivations. everything else is a feel read and those are pretty worthless. anyway that's what I learned from last game when all of my feel reads were wrong. kush out Yeah all your feel reads were wrong so why are you suddenly master at spotting town before they flip? (and I mean just before they flip see later when I talk about regent) + Show Spoiler + On September 21 2012 05:04 kushm4sta wrote: I'm really tired of hearing about how I can't be read because I have a scummy meta. Nothing I have said is scummy! I've just been trying to be honest with my intentions and what I'm thinking. I will stand by any statement I make as genuine, even if it's not completely thought out. Yes I say what's on my mind stop saying that is scummy. LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL 3,725words so far (although a lot of that is quotes but it is taking me ages and I am only half way though your filter) “I have a scummy meta guys don’t lynch me” Not. That. Scummy. You seem scummy for about day one with your meta you don’t get worse and worse as you go along (product of lies) Ok at this point he posts a huge case on thrawn so I will get to that in my thrawn case (if I find him suspicious it elevates kush slightly (although after this I doubt anything will convince me) + Show Spoiler + On September 21 2012 09:21 kushm4sta wrote: I think he's implying that he got roleblocked. And that is still funny, this is how kush should be as town when commenting on things he is free to comment on. Page six? + Show Spoiler + On September 22 2012 00:43 kushm4sta wrote: I didn't read drazak's filter until I saw the post from thrawn telling me to give my thoughts on killing and drazak. Yes I bandwagoned on him. Partly because I remembered him being a bigger lurker than he actually was. I had looked at killing's filter previously, and I thought it was not that scummy. You remembered him being a bigger lurker when before you were going on about thinking he was doing scum hunting? (also this is the point he flames me for simply making a case on me {good tactic I guess}) Also from about here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=367548&user=200457¤tpage=6 ( I won’t bother linking everything as there are multiple posts but he is defending rethos/dandel) could be that dandel was another one of the scum{he hardly mentioned him at all}) + Show Spoiler + On September 22 2012 05:56 kushm4sta wrote: it doesn't even matter to me that sharky is lurking. him and sharrant are so town I think its ridiculous to even bring them up as a scum possibility. No of course not you don’t want a confirmed town running around making reads do you? Page 6 was smaller because I didn’t link every post about his defense of dandal will go into that in dandals post I guess. + Show Spoiler + On September 22 2012 06:15 kushm4sta wrote: I want to wait until I'm at my pc so I can actually do a good job of reading filters and cross referencing with the thread for context. your case against remedy is just lack of scumhunting right? I think its true that he's all accusation and no argumentation. I want to look onto that more, then ask him to expand on his reasoning for some of.his accusations and see what he comes up with. + Show Spoiler + On September 22 2012 07:52 kushm4sta wrote: My thoughts on thrawn's earlier case against remedy: 1 Remedy's useless vote parked on me d1. Bad town yes, scum no. I don't see the scum motivation behind it, especially since both our bandwagons were town. He still seems to know that regent is town and is bad town for voting for him. Well this is tiring... Ok he goes on stutters now (he is going to go on and off on stutters as I posted before (I will just find that post as it is simpler and takes up less room) like page 7 + Show Spoiler + On September 23 2012 07:38 JacobStrangelove wrote: Kushs filter ... Either trying to seem not attached either way or trying to spread confusion. Just say both sides of what you think. Then take the time to find out the best read... He mentions thrawn again will look into this in the thrawn case but I need a break after this one for a short while at least. Then he does the case on me which I think I covered a bit however I will go into more detail after I finish kush’s case dadels case and thrawns case. (probably sometime day 3 to be honest because this case alone has taken ages and I want to watch a movie or something tonight{it is my birthday remember...}) Most of this page and stuff is covered in the other post I included so I will go to page 8 (which is partly covered in that page as well) + Show Spoiler + On September 23 2012 03:23 kushm4sta wrote: I don't know where the fuck this remedy shit is coming from.. can someone summarize the arguments against him. like 1 sentence each. from what I remember the case boils down to he doesn't support his suspicions with arguments he voted for a non bandwagon d1 anything else? cause that's looking mighty weak His case wasn’t weak, I could see the ups and downs of each and everycase but he can’t? I would say again he seems to know who is town and isn’t and is trying to get town points for it. + Show Spoiler + On September 23 2012 07:39 kushm4sta wrote: I don't want to lynch stutters because I think he's mafia. I want to lynch stutters because I think you are mafia thrawn. and fuck hapahuli if he thinks that's a scumtell. I.don't even care Mentions hapahuli, the town coach. On 9 I am kinda rushing these last few pages as I want to get this done sometime within the next year. + Show Spoiler + On September 23 2012 08:05 kushm4sta wrote: 1 Jacob 2 thrawn them my reads. I have been hesitant because no one wants to.vote for.my reads Waiting for someone else to bandwagon. You claimed I was indecisive remember? But more on that when I get round to my defense. + Show Spoiler + On September 23 2012 10:09 kushm4sta wrote: My big questions to all town (so jacob you don't have to answer): me or thrawn? do you buy this theory that at least 1 scum voted for drazak? how sure are you the mason claim is true? ... You right now. Maybe you and thrawn only time will tell. (if I doubt run out of it) Oh finally. The filter is over. And if you seriously got here witout reading any of it Tl:dr kush is scum in my mind. Dandal case coming next followed by killing (due to things I found in this thread) and then thrawn case after that I will do my defense. This will probably be spread out over the night and day as I am going to go through everything and thrawns filter is as long as kushs. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On September 19 2012 00:35 KillingTime wrote: I don't understand the point of FoS'ing on day 1 - no-one has a huge list of strong scum reads and you can change your vote at any time. If you think someone is scum then you should vote for them, if you are not sure or looking to pressure than a vote is also a much better way to do that than a FOS which at best is just going to cause scum to play more carefully. Pressure voting is fine; however it can also be useful for scum. You guys pressure vote while I wait for the bandwagon. However I have to admit this isn’t the best argument. + Show Spoiler + On September 19 2012 01:56 KillingTime wrote: I agree that Kush's statements about not wanting to die were dumb and anti-town. I haven't voted him yet though because a) I think the serial killer case, while I can follow the logic, is a huge overreach when we don't even know whether we have a serial killer. It would be equally plausible to argue that kush was trying to attract attention to himself with that kind of remark. b) Kush made a significant number of dumb comments at the start of XXVI and turned out to be town. That doesn't excuse these comments, but they are not enough on their own to make me think he is scum. Not scum in its self but the amount of protecting kush did of killing compiled with him protecting kush here doesn’t help. More of the Fos argument. He could be using this to appear like he is posting as he as commented on it a lot (considering he has such a small filter it means he isn’t spending the time scum hunting) + Show Spoiler + On September 19 2012 13:58 KillingTime wrote: I just woke up - yeah I meant to post more last night but couldn't for irl reasons. Sorry I know that looked bad. Probably didn’t need to spoiler that but this does look really bad still. + Show Spoiler + On September 19 2012 15:07 KillingTime wrote: Ok - well I think the best thing for me to do Is go through the questions drazak asked me last night: Players I want to see more from - There are lots of players in this category: 1. RemedySC - Not much interesting in his posts, nothing scummy but nothing strong 2. Drazak - Again, he made fair points about me and I am answering his questions - he has said he will also try to post more today. If there is one thing that I learnt from XXVI it is that associational cases are bad though. So leave off this how is he connected to X&Y on D1. 3. Stutters 4.Cubu!!! - I am quite happy to policy lynch cubu every game I play with him if he is not posting more. Cubu post more or I will vote for you. Two strongest town reads: (though town reads are kind of dubious atm, because strong mafia probably look like town now -d1 we are more trying to catch a weaker mafia I think) 1. Thrawn - I don't put much stock in the idea that him & Debears are necessarily linked in some way - but his posting has been strong all day 2. Sonic - Solid town posts, less high up for me though, just because I have the experience of playing with him in XXVI and know he is a strong player who fooled me for large parts of that game. When I went to bed, I thought Sharrant was towny - he was following the same train of logic that I did and he was . Now I just don't know - others have totally fought with him on asking debears to roleclaim and that was a bad idea, I don't think he is a good d1 lynch, there is too much chance he flips bad town, but he is definitely a player I want to look at more closely as the game progresses And the most important part - scum: 1.Debears - my scum read on him from yesterday has not changed that much, his hugely defensive posting since then is a bad, and I agree with Kush's attack on his last post. I sort of like that he is attacking rethos - but rethos is an easy target, a lurker who has only posted questions so far. I await to see what he has to say about Sharrant. 2.Atreidies - 3 posts, all bad , random setup speculation. You can pretty much sum up everything he has said so far as "I'm not convinced" - That is not at all scummy per se - but you need to combine that attitude with efforts to scumhunt yourself and contribute actively. Because he hasn't, it looks scummy to me. Ok this is one of his major posts. The players I want to see more from section... He is a player we want to see more from so this could just trying to look like an active poster. (also happy to policy lynch cubu) He has two town reads, now while I love town reads late game, early town reads are a little ehh... and could be useless he also said they could be mafia because strong town look like mafia... (wat?) I understand what he is saying but still seems pointless. Anyway he town reads thrawn and sonic. He also wants to look closely at sharrent not committing to a read. Going on debears is something that kush did, if they are in unison they might have tried to set debears up. Atreidies appears to just be a random lurker he picked up. You could say the same for any lurker really. (Something I will note real quick) So far he isn’t that unlike most of the other lurkers the only thing that sets him apart is the connection with kush. + Show Spoiler + On September 19 2012 22:41 KillingTime wrote: far as "My" case (not really "my" case - but my vote) on Debears goes I still prefer him slightly over sharrant. see Debears as more scummy than sharrant because he led with stupid play and then tried to explain it away, whereas on my reading the Sharrant case seems more "bad towny" than a strong scum read, he started trying to help town and then made a dumb mistake. Not sure about time line but he mentions it’s not his case, did he sheep onto kush’s case? I think he probably would they are both going with the sharrent is bad townie argument. (which he turned out to be{or maybe not bad just used to irl mafia which appears quite different}) + Show Spoiler + On September 20 2012 00:30 KillingTime wrote: I am here at the moment (around for a half hour or so) - if you want to ask me anything then you can. Other than the fact I was away last night (and therefore "lurky" to you) - why else do you think I am scum? Honestly at this point without the connection to kush in account. He is scummy because he lurks and he isn’t overly committal. With the connection to kush in account he is a lot more scummy. (assuming kush is mafia which I think he is) + Show Spoiler + On September 20 2012 06:08 KillingTime wrote: I want to make some amazing read on Sharrant going back through his whole filter and checking out the case on him - therby assuaging thrawn & those who seem to think I am a lurking scum  But sorry I just can't make head or tail of his postings today. I don't understand his post from either a mafia or a town perspective - this makes me think he is a bad townie, because if he was mafia he would have had two others telling him how to diffuse this situation.My own observations about stutters were nearly a disaster last game, perhaps as a result I have been too cautious d1. I will do better tomorrow and try to find a strong target. The lynch I feel best about is Cubu, for reasons that anyone who played/reads the last game should be clear on, even if he is town again (hard to tell), we are going to go into D2 in a stronger position with him gone & I feel it is even scummier that he is not here this game when he got lynched as town for the same behaviour last game. It seems like debears has not been scummy enough since the inital post for others to have a strong feeling he is scum & am not confident enough in the case against Sharrant to vote for him. I'll be around for like 15-20 mins now, then I have to go. ##unvote debears ##vote Cubu Is unsure about sharrent, can’t see mafia or town perspectives is unsure about cubu “(hard to tell)” but goes for the lynch anyway goes off debears. + Show Spoiler + On September 20 2012 07:19 KillingTime wrote: I need to go to bed. I can't process this stuff properly right now. Back to basics = hunting scum - so I am going back to voting my strongest scumread before all this nonsense - which was debears. I think that puts him and cubu on 2 votes each. You guys who are awake get to decide who to lynch I guess. ##unvote ##vote debears This is actually town points to him, he is confused because of the role claim so goes back to his scum read. However leaving at this time wouldn’t be but he also said he is from the eu. + Show Spoiler + On September 20 2012 16:15 KillingTime wrote: Is it allowed to ask Sharrant to post a link to the mason quicktopic to prove his claim? I am asking the mods first because I feel like it might not be, but it wasn't clear in the rules (it says you can post your role pm and the sample role pm makes no mention of not being able to post the quicktopic link to the thread if you choose) Again town points unless he assumed that it wasn’t allowed... Page two. Still heavy lurking though, he says he is sorry if people think he is but that means nothing. Still going for debears, interesting considering my other theory. But I will get to that later. + Show Spoiler + On September 21 2012 18:50 KillingTime wrote: If lynch lurkers is a decent policy - then Lynching liars, (even bad ones) is an essential policy ( from what I have read). I am sort of null on you because I don't see how your posts today help mafia or town at all but I can come up with plausible scenarios why both would do this - just totally barf worthy. I am not great at his game yet, but I am going to be annoyed if this is another game where d1 &2 are dominated by terrible town play. I am still going to look later and see if I can find a better scum - but for now. Vote##: rethos He goes for rethos who is one of his potential scum partners so I will have to see if he changes vote soon after. Goes with good reason though (but I will get to this in my rethos/dandel case I guess) Ouch my arm is really starting to hurt, several days of assignments followed by all this... + Show Spoiler + On September 21 2012 19:11 KillingTime wrote: I sort of feel he is breaking the rules here and messing up the game. Saying explicitly with like 36hrs of a day left that you are going to get replaced in thread - when the first post explicitly says that you should PM the mod and that you can't get modkilled to help you team - seems to violate the spirit of those rules if not the exact letter for me. Meh I guess that is a mess for the mods to sort out and not us. But this is not cool Says that he is breaking the rules, if rethos is town could be an attempt at a free kill. The case on killing thus far seems rather weak without having relation to kush and other theorys/cases. I would NOT lynch him tomorrow tbh... anyway continuing on. + Show Spoiler + On September 22 2012 03:56 KillingTime wrote: I said before the game that I will not be around much tomorrow. I am not going to be around regularly tonight though & thinking about it I am suspicious of Kush now though given his passionate defence of you/rethos Possible Motivations: If you are mafia and he is town - putting that much focus on trying to prevent you being lynched by exonerating rethos seems bad play to me. Also, he said at the start that: - does not seem like he is doing that. If you are mafia and he is mafia - makes no sense If you are town and he is mafia - He can make a defence of you, (knowing it was unlikely to succeed with rethos terrible play) then when you get lynched say "I didn't want to lynch him anyway, you should have listened to me" - gaining townie cred off a mislynch. Ho Hum - Kush, do you really think this is a good example of careful & better analysis? Again he posts about not being around much, this is really the most frustrating part as I can’t get a solid read on him either way. He is either just one of the lurkers with potential to be scum or he is scum with all these connections to kush etc... He does go at kush in a ho Hum way (lol) but this I think is the first time I have seen them even slightly go at each other. Again he is gone... or can’t do much + Show Spoiler + On September 23 2012 03:29 KillingTime wrote: Ok -so I haven't read the full thread since my last post but my opinion on Remedy based on his filter: D1 - doesn't want to lynch lurkers, Posts bad case on Kush (imho - attacking someone for wanting to lynch lurkers is not attacking someone for scum play), Goes away and avoids d1 drama. - Scummy thing to say for sure, "false regret" is a dumb scum thing - If he didn't want a drazak lynch he should have said so. Posts more bad inferences about Kush. Decent post on Stutters - pointing out a fair argument against him from my perspective (as I know I am town). But this is not hard for mafia to do either as they know everyone's alignments (except if there is an sk) - so this is null. Pointless cellphone posts, defends Rethos at a weird time when there was a big back and forth about it going on - ok but he never follows it up, pointless post. Points out something obviously scummy from stutters. Overall - poor posts, one that looks obviously scummy and lots that don't help us scumhunting (somewhat scum). He would be a decent lynch. My problem is that there are several decent lynches.... difficult to decide between them. After questioning kush he then comes in and goes at remedy for thinking kush was scummy. If kush flips mafia then killing has a lot of explaining to do. If not the case is weak. + Show Spoiler + On September 23 2012 03:37 KillingTime wrote: Edit: also - it was Kush who started the wagon on Stutters. Remedy pushed and voted for Kush D1 and has not said that he has changed his mind. Remedy why are you so eager joining a wagon (albeit on a player you did say you thought was scummy) started by another player you thought was scummy? Were you not worried that one of your scum reads was pushing the other? Points out kush started the wagon (giving him silent town points) Well he kinda stops posting at this point nothing from after the flip. So tl;dr If kush is mafia then yes killing has a huge chance of being mafia. But apart from that nothing solid to go on tbh... sure he lurks and is indecisive those are bad features but I wouldn’t feel happy lynching him on that alone. Just saw kushs post, On September 23 2012 22:48 kushm4sta wrote: @jacob I don't understand why if I'm scum that also makes killing scum. because I defended him is that it? I never defended him really. its just that he never striked me as particularly scummy. also he has done some sharply town things. I will address those in my next post. I guess you might be right but you are defending him incase of you flipping. I agree after going though his filter he doesn’t look as scummy but saying he isn’t likely scum if you flip scum? *realises he isn’t being flamed for once* Hurm... | ||
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He was trying to steer people onto stutters but not in a definite way. He jumped from stutteres to remedy often and he seemed to start doing this when the focus was shifting from stutters (although hard to tell without timeline) Also scum has almost won this game? 0-o I hope not I was just getting into it. Why, are we completely on the wrong trail? What do you know? You seem to have more information than possible. (However I haven’t gotten around to your filter yet) “Scum Kush would have been best served by staying on Remedy, and blaming me or/and Thrawn for the Remedy mislynch afterwards. From there, it'd be really easy to mislynch me (without even pushing for it) and have town at 4-3 LYLO, with a strong position for a thrawn or stutters lynch next. (two wagons with pretty decent chances in that situation)” Thats a pretty hypothetical situation. That assumes you are town. You were actually in my kush dandel killing theory which is why I am making cases on you (and a re-evaluation of thrawn to be safe) I will have to wait for my arm to come back to functioning status before I continue though... | ||
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On September 23 2012 23:12 kushm4sta wrote: @Jacob fermez la bouche That will really move the thread forward won't it... | ||
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On September 24 2012 07:53 thrawn2112 wrote: Uh something I noticed... sharky makes a post in the qt, you responded to it, and then you ask marv if sharky got sent the link? Oh? Uhh... yeah that does seem odd like... really odd... like... hurm | ||
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On September 24 2012 08:12 kushm4sta wrote: no time to read recent stuff. have to finish all.this documentation before I leave work . if I die lynch Jacob that is all Same to you buddy (that is my if I die post I guess) | ||
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