|
On September 19 2012 08:16 Sharrant wrote:
When did I call for a blue role claim? Why are you just making shit up?
I wanted you to roleclaim, because of the little stint you and Thrawn had there. That struck me as scummy, so rather than wanting to lynch you, I wanted to get you to claim, and then depending on whether your claim was refuted or not, just drop it and possibly find someone that had revealed themselves as scummy while you were on the front of everyone's minds.
Ok you say you weren't asking for a blue roleclaim. Then you say you wanted him to claim to see if his claim could be refuted or not. If you're not expecting him to claim blue then how could his claim possibly be refuted (by a counter claim) if he doesn't claim blue?
|
hey killing where's that post you promised us?
First you come in with the wildy off topic FOS post, then you make a vote for debears because you "liked sdm's post" which was pretty much the extent of your 2 sentence justification for your vote, then your next post is more about the FOS stuff and you give excuses for why you aren't posting and promise us a post which never came. ##FOS Killing
|
On September 19 2012 09:29 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Oh I feel... yeah my bad I missed that part. Don't worry you will hear more from me as the game goes on just hard at the moment with so many assigments I have like two due tonight... hmm the role claim thing just seems so... scummy I still can't see how it helps town as much as you think it would...
Yeah same thing with me. No matter how I llook at all the ways a role claim could work out it always ends up not making any sense to have been suggested by a town player
|
On September 19 2012 09:40 kushm4sta wrote:
imo don't even think about serial killer until he kills someone and we know he exists.
look for a substantial post from me at like 10 pm. I will break down debears latest post and expand on my argument about why I think he's scummy.
the second half of d1 is approaching and I think we should solidify our bandwagons instead of accusing people like thrawn who are just not gonna get lynched today.
also why are so many people already voting sharron? His play is really stupid with the roleclaim call, but stupid play doesn't make you mafia. you think first time mafia would really be so confidently retarded like that?
Because like you said we're halfway into d1 and it's time to start voting. Would he make a big mistake as first time mafia? Maybe? Who knows? The point is it happened. You also gotta look at his vote for debears. Ignore what your read on debears is and just look at that post. It's so washy washy.... Combine that with the role claim nonsense and that's why I'm voting for him.
|
Ok going to sleep now. I'll be back later when I wake up but then I'll be gone fishing for a while. I should be back at least 4 or so hours within deadline though.
|
On September 19 2012 05:07 Sharrant wrote:
At the same time, debears isn't really the most suspicious person to me, his defense of Thrawn could be scummy, or it might not be. It was weird, but not a strong tell either way in my opinion. However, there is getting to be a large web of people involved with debears either way.
##unvote Kushm4sta
##vote debears
I do however think that it will be a distraction until it is resolved. THere's a good chance he flips scum, and that would reflect poorly on Thrawn, who up until this point I've been relatively sure he was town. I'm not convinced he's mafia, but I'm suspicious enough of him I'd like to get to the point where we can force a claim.
debears not most supicsious person
his defense of thrawn could be scummy or not but not a strong tell either way
vote for debears
it's a destraction that needs to be resolved
there's a good chance he flips scum
not convinced debears is mafia
wants to force debears to claim
How is this a rational justification of a vote, even it's just a pressure vote? And this line "I'm not convinced he's mafia, but I'm suspicious enough of him I'd like to get to the point where we can force a claim." is the scummiest sounding thing I've read in the thread so far.
|
hey lurkers for all your sakes you had better come up with good contributions.... remember what we decided on at the start of the game?
kush I completely get what you are saying about debears 'dickriding' all game... but on its own is that a good justification for either a town or a scum read, especially in a newbie game? Besides the interactions between myself and debears do you find anything else scummy about him?
|
kush I'm open to a lurker lynch as I said at the start of the game but I think sharrant is actually a pretty good lynch candidate. If town ends up being divided as hell then that's when we should start talking about our favorite lurkers, so to get the ball rolling on that I think everyone should start throwing out their top scumread votes. kush, and others, if you delay your vote as long as possible then you are basically going to force town into a lurker lynch. lurker lynch = back up plan and it should be avoided if we can actually agree on a strong scum read.
sooooo if you haven't voted yet now's the time
|
|
|
kush what do you think about killing? he's been pretty lurky and has displayed some scummy behavior.
On September 19 2012 08:29 thrawn2112 wrote:
hey killing where's that post you promised us?
First you come in with the wildy off topic FOS post, then you make a vote for debears because you "liked sdm's post" which was pretty much the extent of your 2 sentence justification for your vote, then your next post is more about the FOS stuff and you give excuses for why you aren't posting and promise us a post which never came. ##FOS Killing
|
fish are assholes. apparently worms are no longer a viable part of the fish diet. only managed to catch 1.
sharrant:
Please give me at least one possible example where "forcing" someone to roleclaim under threat of a lynch will end up being good. I don't see it.
Also, you keep talking about this crazy plan you have that you won't divulge to us..... we're just supposed to accept on faith that it's a good plan and therefore you're town?
kush you have been asked this several times by different people but I still don't like your explanation of why you prefer debears over sharrant. I think you said that both of their play is bad but that debears play is bad scum wheras sharrant is bad town. So what you're saying is that dickriding a player looks scummier than asking for roleclaims, voting for people you have no intentions of lynching, being obssesed with blue and sk roles, and saying "guys dont lynch me I have a secret plan"? I can see why people would think that debears is scummy but I can't see how they see him scummier than sharrant unless they're going off of half-baked association cases.
|
Also sharrant, you said that trading 1 town for 1 mafia is not good for town right?
Am I the only one who saw that and thought wtf?
|
On September 20 2012 00:54 Sharrant wrote:Debears, your play has struck me as scummy, but I wasn't playing with full knowledge of the situation. You and Thrawn both stand a much better chance of being town in my eyes than you did 5 minutes ago.
Ok so you say that up till this point debears has looked scummy to you. But then you make a post about pming a mod about the setup or something and now you have information that makes BOTH debears and I seem less scummy? I find it hard to believe that a mod would give you information that would impact your reads... therefore I think you're lying about pming a mod.
|
kush debears thrawn killingtime stutters remedy
What do all these people have in common? They are people that sharrant has voted for or said he wants to lynch.
Kush: He votes for kush and during the time that vote was in place sharrant thought he was either On September 19 2012 03:14 Sharrant wrote:(SK, possibly blue or self important green)
Debears: Votes for debears because On September 19 2012 05:07 Sharrant wrote:
I do however think that it will be a distraction until it is resolved............ I'm suspicious enough of him I'd like to get to the point where we can force a claim.
Thrawn: After voting for debears in order to force roleclaims and such I question his debears vote and he responds with On September 19 2012 05:58 Sharrant wrote:
Voting for him did not mean I was ready to lynch him, as it stands I'd now be ready to lynch both of you. Maybe I'm wrong and you and debears aren't mafia, but that "ridiculous vote" just got a pretty big scum slip in my eyes from you.
Killing: Then he gives reasons why he'd be okay with voting for killing and also says that will nullify his earlier case on me/debears. To me that looks like he's switching to another player while trying to provide an out for himself from his earlier case: On September 19 2012 12:15 Sharrant wrote:
In particular, I think there's one candidate that would clear up most of this. Most of the reason for me voting for debears in the first place was because of KillingTime. .............So it goes on a few ifs, but the lurker that I'm most comfortable going after in this situation is KillingTime. If we lynch him, and if he flips mafia, that's the end of any case of mine against debears and Thrawn.
Stutters and Remedy: Ok once again it looks like he's trying to provide an out for himself from an earlier vote. He doesn't want to vote for debears anymore because he pm'd a mod and got information that somehow influenced his reads: On September 20 2012 00:54 Sharrant wrote: I wasn't playing with full knowledge of the situation. You and Thrawn both stand a much better chance of being town in my eyes than you did 5 minutes ago.
...........................
So, I'm going with the lurkers now. Remedy, that vote randomly popping up on Kush is pretty suspicious to me, but I'm still more suspicious of stutters. So that's where my vote is going for now, but depending on Stutters next post, it could end up on Remedy very easily.
So first his vote is on kush while he thinks that kush is sk or a blue or a self-important green. Then he votes for debears in order to solve a killing/debears issue (which I'm not clear on) and in order to force debears to roleclaim. Then in OMGUS style he says he would be fine with lynching me because of how I called him out on his debears vote. Next he says he is ok with voting for killing because of issues with his debears vote. Then he votes for stutters and says he could "easily" vote for remedy because of a pm exchange between him and a mod that made him think debears was less scummy. All the votes look similar to me.... they look like votes not based on scumhunting, but votes using any reason possible to vote while providing easy outs for himself when he later changes him reads/votes.
|
Ok sharrant I see what you are trying to say about that thing but if I am to trust you on it then obviously I shouldn't really ask you to directly clarify it. So... what about if I tell you're wrong in thinking that I'm a mason? Does that impact your read on me or debears? If mason is in fact the magic word then what was it about masons that are different in the other games you've played? I don't really know how to approach this situation because now a big part of your defense is something I don't want to discuss.
|
If a lurker lynch is the only possible outcome then I prefer killing over cubu. For those of you that played in XXVI it's for the same reasons I wanted to lynch stutters instead of cubu. Yes I know they both ending up flipping green but I'd rather vote for the scummy looking lurker instead of the null read lurker. Killing's post count is a little higher than cubu's of course... but the fact that his post count is a little higher AND that he comes across as scummy makes him a better lurker lynch. If you wanna see cases against killing just go through my filter and ctrl+f "killing"
Cubu why did you sign up for this game when you can only make like 3 posts every 48 hours? Or.... are you mafia?
@Remedy:
The thing about kush's motives is that in the 2 games I played with him, his town meta in both games was to look scummy. Not intentionally of course but IMO he posts a lot of stuff without thinking about it. So while I do think there's been some scummy things he's said this game, because of his meta I'm going to overlook them until a little later (D2) into the game when I can actually look at the direct consequences of his actions.
I still think sharrant has said blatantly scummy things, and I've thought through possible "plans" he could've had and I don't see any that make sense so I think he's lying about that.
|
stutters: so your point about cubu is that no matter what he flips he is so anti-town he needs to be lynched? I can see that logic... especially since he hasn't even voted. (same for drazak- no vote yet) However I stand by my lurker policy of lynching the lurker with the largest amount of scummy content which is killing.
I still say that sharrant is scummy enough to override lurker policy
|
On September 20 2012 05:39 drazak wrote:
Super busy today, read most the posts, willing to ##VOTE Sherrant I'll try to post more tonighnt
You had time to read most of the posts but not enough time to write even a single word about your vote choice?
|
sharrant this setup uses plurality lynch meaning whoever has the most votes get's lynched even if it's not a majority of the votes
|
I'm gonna have to really give the thread a hard read before I can come to a decision on that mason claim. I was actually expecting you to claim cop with some kind of plan involving night checks which I couldn't make much sense of. I'll read the thread and let you know if my vote will change or not.
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT
