EPTAlso just noticed killings post, I think I know the answer to that but I shouldn't say just incase.
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Also just noticed killings post, I think I know the answer to that but I shouldn't say just incase. | ||
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On September 20 2012 13:54 thrawn2112 wrote: After posting this near lynch deadline Yeah but drazak seemed more town than killing, when I was refering to the killing being less that the lukers I was talking about stutters/cubu the two main lurkers under fire at the time. On September 20 2012 13:54 thrawn2112 wrote: Sharrent was also willing to vote for killing Yeah? I thought that was my point. I might have missed something though. | ||
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Oh I see what happened... While reading the thread I switched my thoughts of who I thought was scum, but obviously never mentioned it as this was my first post back. Also yeah that is my read on sharrent. I still need to proccess the fact that he called out who he says is his mason partner. but you have to realise cubu isn't in the thread to verify this. He could have been betting on cubu being mod killed to avoid retrubution or he could have simply called it out to trade one mafia for town instead of one mafia for nobody. | ||
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You say the only way sharrant is scum is if cubu is scum. I have to admit I feel I have made a mistake with my sharrant read but there is also as sonic said (and as I said before him) the chance he is scum hoping to get one town instead of just dying. (with cubu being town and the town he gets being drazak) However if we have a replacement then we probably don’t need to bother looking into this too much as this will either be confirmed or denied. @sonic When did I go poof? If it was before the lynch then there is an obvious reason. I listed even before any of this happened I have classes on this day at this time (I can bring up a time table if you really want...) If it was after the lynch I don’t have a reason apart from being really tired. Also Chaos can be an opportunity for scum to exercise great power as well... You seem to forget they could arrange/create the Chaos in the QT and then put it into action when the time comes. (preemptive strike)It wouldn’t be easy but not as hard as you probably think. While it can and is at times really useful for town to role call late (although don’t do it right after I leave the thread kinda rubs me the wrong way{in regards to actually backing up the role claim that is}) but mafia can also be the ones creating it thus in some form of control. However I do see the difference from role calling a few hours from the thread and 1 minute.... I will probably re-read the whole thread in the light of the lynch and considering I am not as tired now however considering it is night (in game) I might try and work on getting both my assignments done tonight(irl) and have more time tomorrow. That said I will still post tonight. | ||
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The only thing he said about drazak before the flip and last minute vote is that he doesn’t seem connected to the two mafia reads at the time. On September 19 2012 11:58 Atreides- wrote: Also I don't see how drazak is connected at all with debears/thrawn. The only thing he's posted on the topic isn't even significant: + Show Spoiler + On September 19 2012 03:23 drazak wrote: As far as looking at Debears goes, I think it's a dead end, I'd definitely like to see his response, but I don't think your reasoning was very good kush, you yourself have show how saying something would look from each perspecting, which is exactly what Debears was doing. IN addition, it's an examination of motives, which is important, everyone has a motive. So it seems he didn’t think drazak was mafia so a no lynch over someone he doesn’t have any read on would be better. Looking at stutters filter the only thing I have on him is that he continues a dead topic and doesn’t appear to have posted as much as I would have expected. (also note he hasn’t been in the thread since the flip) and that is it. I would move onto kush but I keep running into road blocks in my argument against him. I will post what I was going to say if you want but at first I thought he was even more bi-polar style of posting than normal but then he seemed to be set on getting debears. I have noticed he seems more emotional in this thread for some reason. (as in more than normal{maybe trying to get people upset? It worked because of it drazak got annoyed and ended up lynched}) Reading his filter he does mention how sharrant would be a very odd mafia to play like that (and now we almost 100% know he is mason) I guess that is town creed. However he blatantly bandwagons onto drazak. Then he says he wasn’t scummy. On September 20 2012 09:09 kushm4sta wrote: My thoughts on killing vs drazak. drazak I didn't even think drazak is scummy. I just voted for him now because of the last minute omg we need to vote for someone confusion. 1 he is not that scummy. a lot of scumhunting and nothing that strikes me as a huge scumslip 2 he's not even a lurker. I thought he was more of a lurker but I just went through his filter and I would not consider him a lurker. killingtime i was in the process of reading his filter just now, but i just realized the deadline already passed. so fail. however before On September 19 2012 04:27 kushm4sta wrote: If I had to call a scum team right now it would be Thrawn debears drazak just because they are all defending each other at this point. The only I would be willing to lynch though is debears. Before you jump down my throat I know it's too early to call scum teams and this is pure speculation. I don’t really have much more I should probably do a if I die post but I really doubt that will happen. On a side note I would like to see more from Rbemedy; he is talking but I am not getting much of a read either way and that worries me. Almost as much as killing time does; (mostly related to the fact killing was the lynch everyone was happy to do but nobody really considered.) I will probably look into debears more in light of what I found in kushs case and then go back to see how the killing/drazak quick lynch panned out. | ||
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On September 21 2012 02:29 kushm4sta wrote: The test did not go well...all these unit conversions that I had no idea I had to memorize. You too? I am so depressed right now... I know I have completly messed something up but... I digress. @ thrawn I assume you are talking about this? + Show Spoiler + In that post he lists a bunch of scenarios and in 2 of them he advises lynching killing or cubu. He says the best option is option 2 which is if sharrant outs a mason and the mason confirms then we lynch cubu or killing. Sharrant ended up outing cubu as a mason so obviously cubu would no longer be his lynch choice which leaves killing as his preferred option. Of course cubu didn't confirm... but it still looks liek a contradiction because of how much he had talked about lynching killing in that post But then he comes into the thread and said he would have preferred a no lynch and that "There weren't any exceptionally strong arguments against killer / drazak." His lynch reads before the cubu reveal were killing, stutters, and cubu but then later he says he wants a no-lynch because there weren't any good lynch candidates? in reference to his post about + Show Spoiler + I feel that both Killing and Stutters are slightly scummy/lurky but cubu sounds like a strong vote as well. I was hoping for him to post by now. He says cubu is "strong" and killing stutters are either slightly scummy or lurky. So the most he said they were is slighly scummy and the least was Slightly lurky. I still feel he is indecisive but I do see that he did at least have a slight read. The problem with saying something like slight is how slight? Also I do agree about Debears latching on to you (was one of my first posts just everything else got in the way) Still need to go though his stuff side by side with your filter. (also if he does latch in all but one thing how on earth haven't you noticed it until now) | ||
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On September 21 2012 09:21 kushm4sta wrote: I think he's implying that he got roleblocked. I lol'd On September 21 2012 09:15 kushm4sta wrote: So this mean there probably is no sk right? I can see scenarios where scum or sk got blocked, or they both nk the same person. But until we actually see evidence of SK we should treat this game like there is no sk. No... I have never played with or seen a SK played before so I am in the deep as regards to how he would play. Sharrant seems to know it well though and I would like him to elabarate considering what he said seemed to happen. However we probably should play normaly until we see signs of an Sk anyway. (at least until day three) Also farewell Sonic, I hope you live your ghosthood as you lived your life. (or something...) | ||
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On September 21 2012 08:22 Stutters695 wrote: I brought up the no lynch because Sharrant mentioned he was one vote away from being hammered (I think that's what l1 means) and when I checked the rules post on voting it didn't say anything about a no-vote which is essential to know should we hit mylo and I'd rather not risk noticing it now but not asking until it's relevant since we might not get an answer instantly. I'll be periodically phone posting tonight and back on my pc tomorrow (real time EST). Once, I was going at him before considering pre game he said he would be super active and he isn't... however more importaintly. The thrawn debears situation. I doubt they are both mafia due to thrawn mentioning a role block and the fight seems genuine. However thrawn has made a few mistakes in logic recently (most notabily the miss step in times that he posted) and I still think his case on Atreides at least considering the last minute post isn't sound. Atreides did post strange after the flip I admit though. Anyhow, The misstep in times is more likely to be done by town than mafia in my opinion because as mafia you would want to be absolutely sure of when everything happened where as town are more likely to read filters and make assumptions. (imo anyway) For example a scum wouldn't point out that He copied Debears assuming the idea wasn't original. (in the case of thrawn being scum) Because of this I Think debears is more of a target than thrawn but also more of a target than Atreides. However both Stutters and Remedy need to post more, stutters I can't get a solid read on it's more a feel read(because he doesn't post a lot) and Remedy just isn't really here. | ||
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On September 21 2012 11:42 kushm4sta wrote: I just want to update the thread on my thoughts since I'm going to be pretty afk for a while (sleep then class then work). Thrawn: im waiting for other people's input. I have to say though claiming roleblock like that seems pretty town to me. 1 I dont think it's a lie and 2 why would scum share that information. I don't know what to think about it honestly. Debears: I read through this guy's filter, tried to expand my case against him to be more than just "thrawn copycat," but I came up with nothing to say. I mean his recent play doesn't impress me but it doesn't set off any whistles either. There are a lot of people who have been very off my radar and I need to give them a closer look. Killingtime mainly but there are others. It doesn't set off any whistles as such but the likelyhood of thrawn and him to be scum together is low, I think thrawn is more town than scum however looking from it purely from the view point that thrawn is scum it is possible that debears read the previous posts and had a crush on thrawn. | ||
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