GSL Open Mini Mafia

On September 06 2012 20:02 Dirkzor wrote:


Both points can be scum traits aswell as town traits. I still see his VT claim as stupid and unnecesary.

On September 06 2012 06:43 Zephirdd wrote:
Risen is not scum, or at least he doesn't look scum based on meta. I could tell you why, but it's information about an ongoing game. Suffice to say he flipped scum there and he looked very differently from these initial three posts.

On the other hand, a rule that seems to work a lot is Kenpachi Rule extended: everytime someone cares about some bullshit from the first post of a player, he's scum.

This applies for both prplhz and Risen here, but only one of them is an OMGUS.

That was quick huh

##vote prplhz

On September 06 2012 12:09 vaderseven wrote:
First off, I agree with prplhz that his vote on Risen is NOT an omgus. I also agree with his general read on Risen and would like to add to it.



This post bothers me alot. Your first post is to declare, with a big bold picture and green text, that you are Green and that we should trust you. You go on to say some feel good stuff about how we will win cuz we are awesomesauce or something.

What prplhz wrote there is fairly standard first post kinda stuff. He is asking people to post so that he can scum hunt... so that makes him scum??

I see no merit to that thought.

I really just don't like your play at all this game Risen. I am feeling fairly sure, for a day 1, that you are either not thinking AT ALL before you post (and I think I recall playing with you before and not thinking that) or you are scum and just not doing a 100% job of hiding it. Of the two possibles there, I find it a fair chance for it to be that you are aggressive scum that is hiding it poorly.

##vote Risen

On September 06 2012 22:54 marvellosity wrote:
BL, what do you think of Keirathi?

On September 07 2012 21:18 marvellosity wrote:
i'm not a fan of lynching prplhz today

On September 08 2012 12:50 Zephirdd wrote:


WHAT read? you're not getting away this game, bluez.

First of all, you flipped from "scummy" to "town" on me WAAAAY TOO QUICKLY. Secondly, your filter reeks of nothingness, and your case(read: reason to vote) on Vaderseven is terrible.

If you read him as town, you were supposed to defend Risen's ass. If you read him as scum, you were supposed to vote his ass. Instead, you took the middle route.

On September 09 2012 03:15 Keirathi wrote:
Something I'd like to ask Bluelightz.

You said that you had a null read on V7 twice.



Then again:



However, Your very next post (with no post from vader in between):

How did he go from null two different times, to your scummiest read with no interaction from him?

On September 09 2012 09:49 vaderseven wrote:


That narrows down the setup types possible OR you are lieing in order to make us think that. Not saying you are a liar btw.

On September 09 2012 03:27 prplhz wrote:
Hey Bluelightz how do you feel about this game? Do you think that Ange777 is scum?

On September 09 2012 23:13 Keirathi wrote:

Err, what?

I didn't ask you why you didn't vote Risen. I asked you how your null read suddenly turned into your strongest scum read.

Do you literally have a town read on every single person in the game, so the best you could do was vote a null read?

On September 10 2012 00:20 Keirathi wrote:

Yes, the best I could do was vote Risen. I made a case, gave plenty of reasoning, and argued with Risen about it for hours. I voted for my scum read.

So you voted for your null read. I can kind of understand your reasoning, BUT: who was your scum read? You never actually pushed one at all. The only person you ever even mentioned that you thought was scummy was Zeph, and you changed that to a townie read based on one post.

If there were 3 lynch candidates, but you had a town read of two of them and a null read on the third, wouldn't the appropriate play be to make a case on the person you thought was scum, with supporting evidence etc, and try to get people off of your town read?

But instead, you took the easy way out and just put a throwaway vote with no real reasoning behind it onto v7. Sounds like you didn't particularly care if Risen died, even though he was a "Town read".

On September 10 2012 20:50 marvellosity wrote:


Zeph should have a field day with these 'slips'. I was scum in NMM THREE and didn't die, obviously. I was town in NMM2 where BL was scum himself and did not have me nightkilled.

On September 10 2012 20:53 prplhz wrote:
not much really but i think that the case i wrote on bluelightz is ten times better i don't even understand the case on zeph people are wrong all the time but that doesn't make them scum

bluelightz has actively not given given a shit about this game and that's way scummier

On September 10 2012 21:00 marvellosity wrote:


Says in that post. So tell me, BL, why are you a fan of lynching me based on the fact I am alive when as scum you left me alive all game in NMM2?

On September 10 2012 22:48 marvellosity wrote:


No, I am talking about NMM2.

I NMM2 you were scum, I was town, and your scumteam left me alive for the whole game. So why are you pushing suspicion on me being alive here, when YOU YOURSELF left me alive as scum before? Answer the god damn question.

On September 09 2012 09:49 vaderseven wrote:


That narrows down the setup types possible OR you are lieing in order to make us think that. Not saying you are a liar btw.

On September 10 2012 15:08 vaderseven wrote:
God I don't like any of the current cases at all.

I will be around to answer questions AND i have next two days off work so I'll be a bit more active.

On September 10 2012 16:54 vaderseven wrote:


I have no leads atm.

On September 12 2012 00:44 Dirkzor wrote:

Happy Birthday Quatol!



This post is actually really super duper scummy.

BL didn't lynch anyone, so why does he assume we think he was behind the V7 lynch?

Prplhz is "fine". What?!? Why? And no you shouldn't be more careful when pushing because that how you get scummy people lynched.

On September 12 2012 21:41 Zephirdd wrote:


roflroflroflroflorlforlforlforlfol

I'll tell you what, for a minute I considered a dirk/prplhz scumteam was possible.

But then bluelightz decided to claim scum by targetting the claimed parity cop with breadcumbs and the claimed roleblocked player when no one claimed boxer(and any boxer claim at this point would be seen with gigantic scrutinity).

Thank bluez, I was freaking out for a moment here. Now I'm comfortable with your lynch more than anything else.

Hey guys, can you call for a 24hr day? I don't think much will change if we have an extra 24 hours at this point.

On September 13 2012 03:21 Keirathi wrote:
I was reading through filters again, and particularly the last day, when this struck me:


If BL is town, why would the scum need to last minute vote switch away from him? The game would be over if he was lynched.

So, he proposes an alternative vote to himself. Then if he can convince even one townie that he's not scum, his scum partner can jump in with a last minute switch and win the game himself.

Yea, BL is scum.

On September 14 2012 00:26 Dirkzor wrote:
Yeah I read it. yeah I'm not going to reply. Basicly I'm sad everyone didn't vote for short days and are just waiting for d4.

On September 14 2012 00:32 Keirathi wrote:

The only person who hadn't voted at the time when you made that post was prplhz, who I still believe to be your scum partner.

And I didn't say you were proposing people to vote for you. You proposed an alternative lynch to yourself, and if you could convince one townie that you weren't lying, then prplhz could hop in with the last second vote and you would win the game.


And, you care about the game? You voted for the fucking confirmed cop. Unless you yourself are the cop, or you think that Zeph and I both lied about being roleblocked and you are BoxeR. There's literally no other possibility.

On September 14 2012 00:34 Bluelightz wrote:

Convoluted logic on my mind, didn't read up on the claim.....

I'm not BoxeR, one of you are. Oh, look, coincidence? Dirkzor and Keirathi being online together ?

On September 14 2012 00:43 Keirathi wrote:

Exactly. Because you haven't cared about this game at all.

And coincidence! You're still defending prplhz!

Where did that read come from? You literally haven't mentioned him this whole game until you said "prplhz looks like a fine lynch target" during the night after people started calling you+prplhz out as a scumteam. Now you're saying that he's town, with some convoluted logic ("Because of his posting, it feels townie because no townie would be like that, EVEN THOUGH, that he didn't vote me while he thought me as his strongest scum read, I think that he's town").

You're just squirming because you realize you're caught and trying to muddy up the thread.

On September 14 2012 00:43 Keirathi wrote:

Exactly. Because you haven't cared about this game at all.

And coincidence! You're still defending prplhz!

Where did that read come from? You literally haven't mentioned him this whole game until you said "prplhz looks like a fine lynch target" during the night after people started calling you+prplhz out as a scumteam. Now you're saying that he's town, with some convoluted logic ("Because of his posting, it feels townie because no townie would be like that, EVEN THOUGH, that he didn't vote me while he thought me as his strongest scum read, I think that he's town").

You're just squirming because you realize you're caught and trying to muddy up the thread.

On September 14 2012 00:50 Keirathi wrote:

I think you're misunderstanding me, or maybe blatantly trying to discredit me.

When you made that post, there were 3 people voting for you (Zeph, Me, Dirkzor). You put your vote on Zeph, and made a "case". If you get even one townie to follow your vote onto Zeph, then prplhz swoops in at the last minute with a hammer and you win the game.

Again, if you are a townie, then why would scum need to last minute switch off of you to win the game?. They wouldn't, because they would win the game by lynching you.

On September 14 2012 01:03 Keirathi wrote:

My point is, if Dirk and I are the scumteam, then we have no reason to pull a last minute vote switch because as long as Zeph is on our side, then we've already won. Literally the only need for scum to ever pull a last minute vote switch onto a random townie at that point would be if you were scum.

Also "funny" how you only decided to start caring about the game when your neck was on the line.

On September 14 2012 01:03 Keirathi wrote:

My point is, if Dirk and I are the scumteam, then we have no reason to pull a last minute vote switch because as long as Zeph is on our side, then we've already won. Literally the only need for scum to ever pull a last minute vote switch onto a random townie at that point would be if you were scum.

Also "funny" how you only decided to start caring about the game when your neck was on the line.

On September 14 2012 01:06 Keirathi wrote:
Care about myself? I've put a ton of effort into this game, and you haven't cared about it at all. You put a vote on the fucking 100% confirmed cop because why? You were too lazy to actually read or care about what had happened so far?

On September 14 2012 01:09 Keirathi wrote:
Counter question: why is my small interactions with Dirk scummier than your zero interactions with prplhz until people started calling you+prplhz out as a scumteam?

On September 14 2012 01:13 Keirathi wrote:

Care you show me where?

You called vader null twice, then suddenly (and without any posts from him in between) changed him to a scum read. Which you kept pushing on d2.

That's literally the only scum read you've given ALL GAME until now when its LYLO and your neck is on the line.

On September 14 2012 01:13 Keirathi wrote:

Care you show me where?

You called vader null twice, then suddenly (and without any posts from him in between) changed him to a scum read. Which you kept pushing on d2.

That's literally the only scum read you've given ALL GAME until now when its LYLO and your neck is on the line.

On September 14 2012 01:18 Keirathi wrote:

Dirk hasn't done anything impactful in the entire game. I never thought he was scum, and no one ever even talked about him being scum, so there was no reason to talk about him.

The difference is that prplhz HAS been a topic of discussion. Again, you didn't think it important to talk about prplhz during the Risen debacle? You gave Risen a town read because of his case against prplhz and the fallout from it, but didn't think prplhz worth mentioning? I don't understand how you as a townie could possibly have not cared about prplhz at all considering you had a town "read" on Risen.

On September 09 2012 20:48 marvellosity wrote:


##Vote: Dirkzor

straight omgus

BL is just an awful player and i'm not sure he's ballsy enough to pull this off as scum. Dirkzor, however, should know better than to spout this nonsense. You kill one of the strongest players because he survives ONE NIGHT? No. Various options as to why I survived:

1) I am scum. Simple enough.
2) Scum considered Ange more dangerous than me at this stage of the game
3) Scum feared a medic prot on me
4) Scum saw BL talking this stupid nonsense and decided not to kill me (if BL isn't scum himself)
5) Something I didn't think of at this point

On September 14 2012 01:20 Keirathi wrote:

You didn't even give a reason for your change of "opinion". You used the exact same reasoning to justify vader as a null read AND as a scum read. He literally did nothing else in between, but suddenly you changed "only talked about Risen" from a null tell to a scum one.

On September 14 2012 01:25 Keirathi wrote:

By the time I got back in the thread, that discussion was already over. Dirk said he was trying to bait reactions, but marv answered first, so Dirk pushed a case on Zeph.

On September 14 2012 01:26 Keirathi wrote:

So your justification on the vote for Zeph is that you are terrible? LOL

On September 14 2012 01:32 Keirathi wrote:
Anyways, this whole argument is pointless and I'm just getting frustrated.

Here's my final opinion:

Prior to today, you haven't cared about this game at all, nor done virtually any scumhunting. Suddenly your neck is on the line, and you're super active and wanting to argue, while pushing scumreads on me and Dirk while still defending prplhz.

Nothing you have done this game has been pro-town, and voting for the confirmed cop is just stupidly anti-town. With Zeph as a confirmed townie, I have 3 people to pick a scumteam of two out of. You and prplhz make the most sense, so I'll be sticking with my vote.

On September 14 2012 20:22 marvellosity wrote:


Hey, I'm glad to hear you say that. It was maddening to see you only active once you were all but dead at LYLO. You need to look at how you're spending time on the game.

prplhz - you're never going to forgive me for picking out Snarfs that game, are you?

Risen - I've said it multiple times to you already and I'll say it again - Dirk was not scummy. The fact you continue to say he was does not make it so.

Edit: Dirk - process of elimination, probably.