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Bluelightz
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
September 04 2012 06:29 GMT
#14
/in because GSL and Blazinghand
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Bluelightz
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
September 06 2012 09:50 GMT
#127
I am, here, reading the thread.
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Bluelightz
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
September 06 2012 10:06 GMT
#128
Opinion's on Risen:

While, I usually take the "HOLY SHIT WTF?" route on VT claims d1, I think this claim, is a legitimate claim, because:

1.His defensive behavior once voted back from prplhz.
2.Him actually pointing a finger to a guy who support's him.

Also gonna check zeph's filter after GSL and MW3 playing.
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Bluelightz
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
September 06 2012 13:52 GMT
#134
On September 06 2012 20:02 Dirkzor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2012 19:06 Bluelightz wrote:
Opinion's on Risen:

While, I usually take the "HOLY SHIT WTF?" route on VT claims d1, I think this claim, is a legitimate claim, because:

1.His defensive behavior once voted back from prplhz.
2.Him actually pointing a finger to a guy who support's him.

Also gonna check zeph's filter after GSL and MW3 playing.


Both points can be scum traits aswell as town traits. I still see his VT claim as stupid and unnecesary.


Could you explain why those could be scum traits?




Comparison of Zeph/V7's vote's:

On September 06 2012 06:43 Zephirdd wrote:
Risen is not scum, or at least he doesn't look scum based on meta. I could tell you why, but it's information about an ongoing game. Suffice to say he flipped scum there and he looked very differently from these initial three posts.

On the other hand, a rule that seems to work a lot is Kenpachi Rule extended: everytime someone cares about some bullshit from the first post of a player, he's scum.

This applies for both prplhz and Risen here, but only one of them is an OMGUS.

That was quick huh

##vote prplhz


Point no.1 Saying that by meta he IS town (which I believe he is, but for other reasons), but doesn't explain HOW is it different (even though it's an ongoing game, I think zeph could've give at least a small detail.

Point no.2 Times how that rule has worked, is irrelevant (I don't think that a rule that worked alot might ALWAYS work).

Point no.3 Vote's prplhz off an OMGUS (doesn't explain why it's scummy)

********************************


On September 06 2012 12:09 vaderseven wrote:
First off, I agree with prplhz that his vote on Risen is NOT an omgus. I also agree with his general read on Risen and would like to add to it.

Show nested quote +
On September 06 2012 05:57 Risen wrote:
(img removed by vaderseven)

I am Fruitdealer. I am able to use my brain to track people down. I advocate a platform of macro-oriented play. If we play smart and safe, I'm confident we can hold off the dirty cheesers left among us. We are an elite group, we 9, don't let filthy cheesers ruin our gameplay!!!

On September 06 2012 05:48 prplhz wrote:
hello

everybody should write something then i'll read it tomorrow evening and tell you who is scum

also can anybody explain to me who ange777 is?

thanks


Let's start the day by analyzing this post. We can see he offers the olive branch, while at the same time attempting to fake a punch with his threat of cases later. His question is meant to give thread presence, while simultaneously doing jack shit. He's going to be gone for a while, let's make it a permanent leave of absence.

##vote: prplhz


This post bothers me alot. Your first post is to declare, with a big bold picture and green text, that you are Green and that we should trust you. You go on to say some feel good stuff about how we will win cuz we are awesomesauce or something.

What prplhz wrote there is fairly standard first post kinda stuff. He is asking people to post so that he can scum hunt... so that makes him scum??

I see no merit to that thought.

I really just don't like your play at all this game Risen. I am feeling fairly sure, for a day 1, that you are either not thinking AT ALL before you post (and I think I recall playing with you before and not thinking that) or you are scum and just not doing a 100% job of hiding it. Of the two possibles there, I find it a fair chance for it to be that you are aggressive scum that is hiding it poorly.

##vote Risen


He explain's why he think's prplhz is town, and explains why Risen's post's are scummy.




Who I think MIGHT be scum from this is, Zephirdd, but the balance might be shifted by the point's of that V7's post seems more careful (explain's everything) while Zeph's is less careful (quick look at the post into he's SCUM).

Conclusion:

Zephirdd slightly leaning scum because if his response
Vaderseven Null, will read more into his filter later (mostly thinking about the careful/reckless response to the Risen/prplhz voting)


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Bluelightz
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
September 06 2012 14:58 GMT
#139
On September 06 2012 22:54 marvellosity wrote:
BL, what do you think of Keirathi?


He's Null, based on his lack of post's (His only post's are "People have made dumb cases, Risen's case is one" "Kenpachi rule + OMGUS > Kenpachi Rule" "prplhz i dun has strong read on u so no vote"). I would wait for him to form a "stronger" read on someone before fingering him an alignment.
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Bluelightz
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
September 07 2012 09:25 GMT
#276
I'm GMT +7 yo, not like you americans :p.

Aaaaand reading the thread.
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Bluelightz
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
September 07 2012 12:56 GMT
#295
My promise from yesterday:

Keirathi: I think he's town, he's been tunneling Risen, but is persistent to his read (which I think is townie because he doesn't take the easy way of voting and makes a case and defends it), he also defends himself when accused by marv.




I have an odd feeling on marv, meta check!

Scum marv (NMMII)

This game's marv

Do you guys see a similarity?I think I do, when I look at his post's, they are: one-liners!, some useless, some pointing out x,y or z. Particularly, his post's don't have much content (or do they :O?), his stances, are understandable, but we don't know why:

On September 07 2012 21:18 marvellosity wrote:
i'm not a fan of lynching prplhz today


See the stance? yes, see why? no.

(Marv could you explain please?)

marvellosity: Odd feeling he might be scum, filter's look the same, but i'd see if he dies N1 or not (Sorry marv, it's normal nao )




My final stance on v7/Zeph:

Zeph: Townie
v7: Still null.

Why?

v7: He believes Risen IS scum, he has posted mostly (all) about him, but he has not posted about anything else.

Zeph: How he was very open, how he provided information willingly as soon as Death Note ended, I consider townie.
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Bluelightz
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
September 07 2012 16:04 GMT
#309
I'm gonna vote v7, because he's the most scummy candidate I have for now (Between Zeph/Risen who I believe both or townie, or my slight marv read that hinges on who get's killed day 2), and that, he hasn't talked about anything else BUT Risen.

##Vote: vaderseven

(Also, I sadly can't be there for the deadline, unless I wake up early.)
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Bluelightz
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
September 08 2012 02:34 GMT
#443
Well, my read was right.

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Bluelightz
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
September 08 2012 03:54 GMT
#446
On September 08 2012 12:50 Zephirdd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2012 11:34 Bluelightz wrote:
Well, my read was right.



WHAT read? you're not getting away this game, bluez.

First of all, you flipped from "scummy" to "town" on me WAAAAY TOO QUICKLY. Secondly, your filter reeks of nothingness, and your case(read: reason to vote) on Vaderseven is terrible.

If you read him as town, you were supposed to defend Risen's ass. If you read him as scum, you were supposed to vote his ass. Instead, you took the middle route.

Hey I was sleeping -__-"

Well, I'd rather vote for someone who I think is more likely to be scum (marv read depends on who dies d2), then any of the people I read as townie (read: v7).
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Bluelightz
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
September 08 2012 03:54 GMT
#447
eh by any people I think is townie i mean is people NOT v7.
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Bluelightz
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
September 09 2012 10:24 GMT
#478
On September 09 2012 03:15 Keirathi wrote:
Something I'd like to ask Bluelightz.

You said that you had a null read on V7 twice.

Show nested quote +
On September 06 2012 22:52 Bluelightz wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On September 06 2012 20:02 Dirkzor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2012 19:06 Bluelightz wrote:
Opinion's on Risen:

While, I usually take the "HOLY SHIT WTF?" route on VT claims d1, I think this claim, is a legitimate claim, because:

1.His defensive behavior once voted back from prplhz.
2.Him actually pointing a finger to a guy who support's him.

Also gonna check zeph's filter after GSL and MW3 playing.


Both points can be scum traits aswell as town traits. I still see his VT claim as stupid and unnecesary.


Could you explain why those could be scum traits?




Comparison of Zeph/V7's vote's:

On September 06 2012 06:43 Zephirdd wrote:
Risen is not scum, or at least he doesn't look scum based on meta. I could tell you why, but it's information about an ongoing game. Suffice to say he flipped scum there and he looked very differently from these initial three posts.

On the other hand, a rule that seems to work a lot is Kenpachi Rule extended: everytime someone cares about some bullshit from the first post of a player, he's scum.

This applies for both prplhz and Risen here, but only one of them is an OMGUS.

That was quick huh

##vote prplhz


Point no.1 Saying that by meta he IS town (which I believe he is, but for other reasons), but doesn't explain HOW is it different (even though it's an ongoing game, I think zeph could've give at least a small detail.

Point no.2 Times how that rule has worked, is irrelevant (I don't think that a rule that worked alot might ALWAYS work).

Point no.3 Vote's prplhz off an OMGUS (doesn't explain why it's scummy)

********************************

On September 06 2012 12:09 vaderseven wrote:
First off, I agree with prplhz that his vote on Risen is NOT an omgus. I also agree with his general read on Risen and would like to add to it.

Show nested quote +
On September 06 2012 05:57 Risen wrote:
(img removed by vaderseven)

I am Fruitdealer. I am able to use my brain to track people down. I advocate a platform of macro-oriented play. If we play smart and safe, I'm confident we can hold off the dirty cheesers left among us. We are an elite group, we 9, don't let filthy cheesers ruin our gameplay!!!

On September 06 2012 05:48 prplhz wrote:
hello

everybody should write something then i'll read it tomorrow evening and tell you who is scum

also can anybody explain to me who ange777 is?

thanks


Let's start the day by analyzing this post. We can see he offers the olive branch, while at the same time attempting to fake a punch with his threat of cases later. His question is meant to give thread presence, while simultaneously doing jack shit. He's going to be gone for a while, let's make it a permanent leave of absence.

##vote: prplhz


This post bothers me alot. Your first post is to declare, with a big bold picture and green text, that you are Green and that we should trust you. You go on to say some feel good stuff about how we will win cuz we are awesomesauce or something.

What prplhz wrote there is fairly standard first post kinda stuff. He is asking people to post so that he can scum hunt... so that makes him scum??

I see no merit to that thought.

I really just don't like your play at all this game Risen. I am feeling fairly sure, for a day 1, that you are either not thinking AT ALL before you post (and I think I recall playing with you before and not thinking that) or you are scum and just not doing a 100% job of hiding it. Of the two possibles there, I find it a fair chance for it to be that you are aggressive scum that is hiding it poorly.

##vote Risen


He explain's why he think's prplhz is town, and explains why Risen's post's are scummy.




Who I think MIGHT be scum from this is, Zephirdd, but the balance might be shifted by the point's of that V7's post seems more careful (explain's everything) while Zeph's is less careful (quick look at the post into he's SCUM).

Conclusion:

Zephirdd slightly leaning scum because if his response
Vaderseven - Null, will read more into his filter later (mostly thinking about the careful/reckless response to the Risen/prplhz voting)




Then again:

Show nested quote +
On September 07 2012 21:56 Bluelightz wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
My promise from yesterday:

Keirathi: I think he's town, he's been tunneling Risen, but is persistent to his read (which I think is townie because he doesn't take the easy way of voting and makes a case and defends it), he also defends himself when accused by marv.




I have an odd feeling on marv, meta check!

Scum marv (NMMII)

This game's marv

Do you guys see a similarity?I think I do, when I look at his post's, they are: one-liners!, some useless, some pointing out x,y or z. Particularly, his post's don't have much content (or do they :O?), his stances, are understandable, but we don't know why:

On September 07 2012 21:18 marvellosity wrote:
i'm not a fan of lynching prplhz today


See the stance? yes, see why? no.

(Marv could you explain please?)

marvellosity: Odd feeling he might be scum, filter's look the same, but i'd see if he dies N1 or not (Sorry marv, it's normal nao )




My final stance on v7/Zeph:

Zeph: Townie
v7: Still null.

Why?

v7: He believes Risen IS scum, he has posted mostly (all) about him, but he has not posted about anything else.

Zeph: How he was very open, how he provided information willingly as soon as Death Note ended, I consider townie.


However, Your very next post (with no post from vader in between):
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2012 01:04 Bluelightz wrote:
I'm gonna vote v7, because he's the most scummy candidate I have for now (Between Zeph/Risen who I believe both or townie, or my slight marv read that hinges on who get's killed day 2), and that, he hasn't talked about anything else BUT Risen.

##Vote: vaderseven

(Also, I sadly can't be there for the deadline, unless I wake up early.)

How did he go from null two different times, to your scummiest read with no interaction from him?


Your logic: I should've voted Risen.

My logic: Voted vaderseven because zeph/risen I thought was town.
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Bluelightz
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
September 09 2012 10:25 GMT
#479
On September 09 2012 09:49 vaderseven wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2012 07:05 Keirathi wrote:
GG Ange.

I was roleblocked.


That narrows down the setup types possible OR you are lieing in order to make us think that. Not saying you are a liar btw.


Seem's rather careful.
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Bluelightz
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
September 09 2012 10:26 GMT
#480
On September 09 2012 03:27 prplhz wrote:
Hey Bluelightz how do you feel about this game? Do you think that Ange777 is scum?


Ange77: He died.

Aaaaaaand I think we should lynch marv because he didn't die n1. (Okay that's just because he was scum and didn't die N1 in NMMII too).
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Bluelightz
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
September 09 2012 15:04 GMT
#487
On September 09 2012 23:13 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2012 19:24 Bluelightz wrote:
On September 09 2012 03:15 Keirathi wrote:
Something I'd like to ask Bluelightz.

You said that you had a null read on V7 twice.

On September 06 2012 22:52 Bluelightz wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On September 06 2012 20:02 Dirkzor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2012 19:06 Bluelightz wrote:
Opinion's on Risen:

While, I usually take the "HOLY SHIT WTF?" route on VT claims d1, I think this claim, is a legitimate claim, because:

1.His defensive behavior once voted back from prplhz.
2.Him actually pointing a finger to a guy who support's him.

Also gonna check zeph's filter after GSL and MW3 playing.


Both points can be scum traits aswell as town traits. I still see his VT claim as stupid and unnecesary.


Could you explain why those could be scum traits?




Comparison of Zeph/V7's vote's:

On September 06 2012 06:43 Zephirdd wrote:
Risen is not scum, or at least he doesn't look scum based on meta. I could tell you why, but it's information about an ongoing game. Suffice to say he flipped scum there and he looked very differently from these initial three posts.

On the other hand, a rule that seems to work a lot is Kenpachi Rule extended: everytime someone cares about some bullshit from the first post of a player, he's scum.

This applies for both prplhz and Risen here, but only one of them is an OMGUS.

That was quick huh

##vote prplhz


Point no.1 Saying that by meta he IS town (which I believe he is, but for other reasons), but doesn't explain HOW is it different (even though it's an ongoing game, I think zeph could've give at least a small detail.

Point no.2 Times how that rule has worked, is irrelevant (I don't think that a rule that worked alot might ALWAYS work).

Point no.3 Vote's prplhz off an OMGUS (doesn't explain why it's scummy)

********************************

On September 06 2012 12:09 vaderseven wrote:
First off, I agree with prplhz that his vote on Risen is NOT an omgus. I also agree with his general read on Risen and would like to add to it.

Show nested quote +
On September 06 2012 05:57 Risen wrote:
(img removed by vaderseven)

I am Fruitdealer. I am able to use my brain to track people down. I advocate a platform of macro-oriented play. If we play smart and safe, I'm confident we can hold off the dirty cheesers left among us. We are an elite group, we 9, don't let filthy cheesers ruin our gameplay!!!

On September 06 2012 05:48 prplhz wrote:
hello

everybody should write something then i'll read it tomorrow evening and tell you who is scum

also can anybody explain to me who ange777 is?

thanks


Let's start the day by analyzing this post. We can see he offers the olive branch, while at the same time attempting to fake a punch with his threat of cases later. His question is meant to give thread presence, while simultaneously doing jack shit. He's going to be gone for a while, let's make it a permanent leave of absence.

##vote: prplhz


This post bothers me alot. Your first post is to declare, with a big bold picture and green text, that you are Green and that we should trust you. You go on to say some feel good stuff about how we will win cuz we are awesomesauce or something.

What prplhz wrote there is fairly standard first post kinda stuff. He is asking people to post so that he can scum hunt... so that makes him scum??

I see no merit to that thought.

I really just don't like your play at all this game Risen. I am feeling fairly sure, for a day 1, that you are either not thinking AT ALL before you post (and I think I recall playing with you before and not thinking that) or you are scum and just not doing a 100% job of hiding it. Of the two possibles there, I find it a fair chance for it to be that you are aggressive scum that is hiding it poorly.

##vote Risen


He explain's why he think's prplhz is town, and explains why Risen's post's are scummy.




Who I think MIGHT be scum from this is, Zephirdd, but the balance might be shifted by the point's of that V7's post seems more careful (explain's everything) while Zeph's is less careful (quick look at the post into he's SCUM).

Conclusion:

Zephirdd slightly leaning scum because if his response
Vaderseven - Null, will read more into his filter later (mostly thinking about the careful/reckless response to the Risen/prplhz voting)




Then again:

On September 07 2012 21:56 Bluelightz wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
My promise from yesterday:

Keirathi: I think he's town, he's been tunneling Risen, but is persistent to his read (which I think is townie because he doesn't take the easy way of voting and makes a case and defends it), he also defends himself when accused by marv.




I have an odd feeling on marv, meta check!

Scum marv (NMMII)

This game's marv

Do you guys see a similarity?I think I do, when I look at his post's, they are: one-liners!, some useless, some pointing out x,y or z. Particularly, his post's don't have much content (or do they :O?), his stances, are understandable, but we don't know why:

On September 07 2012 21:18 marvellosity wrote:
i'm not a fan of lynching prplhz today


See the stance? yes, see why? no.

(Marv could you explain please?)

marvellosity: Odd feeling he might be scum, filter's look the same, but i'd see if he dies N1 or not (Sorry marv, it's normal nao )




My final stance on v7/Zeph:

Zeph: Townie
v7: Still null.

Why?

v7: He believes Risen IS scum, he has posted mostly (all) about him, but he has not posted about anything else.

Zeph: How he was very open, how he provided information willingly as soon as Death Note ended, I consider townie.


However, Your very next post (with no post from vader in between):
On September 08 2012 01:04 Bluelightz wrote:
I'm gonna vote v7, because he's the most scummy candidate I have for now (Between Zeph/Risen who I believe both or townie, or my slight marv read that hinges on who get's killed day 2), and that, he hasn't talked about anything else BUT Risen.

##Vote: vaderseven

(Also, I sadly can't be there for the deadline, unless I wake up early.)

How did he go from null two different times, to your scummiest read with no interaction from him?


Your logic: I should've voted Risen.

My logic: Voted vaderseven because zeph/risen I thought was town.

Err, what?

I didn't ask you why you didn't vote Risen. I asked you how your null read suddenly turned into your strongest scum read.

Do you literally have a town read on every single person in the game, so the best you could do was vote a null read?


During d1, the best you could vote was following the Risen bandwagon train?

I voted v7 because if we swinged votes it would be more likely(easier) to gather support to lynch v7 as some people have already voiced their willingness / say's that the lynch target is between Risen / zeph / v7.



Zeph lynch thoughts:

Will I vote zeph? No. Why wouldn't I? because he has proven his innocence (to me), by being willing to share information with town, even if he picked an easy target (meh) to pick on, by doing that he is actively trying to find scum (he thinks i'm scum) and not wasting time doing other stuff.
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Bluelightz
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
September 09 2012 16:25 GMT
#491
On September 10 2012 00:20 Keirathi wrote:
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On September 10 2012 00:04 Bluelightz wrote:
On September 09 2012 23:13 Keirathi wrote:
On September 09 2012 19:24 Bluelightz wrote:
On September 09 2012 03:15 Keirathi wrote:
Something I'd like to ask Bluelightz.

You said that you had a null read on V7 twice.

On September 06 2012 22:52 Bluelightz wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On September 06 2012 20:02 Dirkzor wrote:
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On September 06 2012 19:06 Bluelightz wrote:
Opinion's on Risen:

While, I usually take the "HOLY SHIT WTF?" route on VT claims d1, I think this claim, is a legitimate claim, because:

1.His defensive behavior once voted back from prplhz.
2.Him actually pointing a finger to a guy who support's him.

Also gonna check zeph's filter after GSL and MW3 playing.


Both points can be scum traits aswell as town traits. I still see his VT claim as stupid and unnecesary.


Could you explain why those could be scum traits?




Comparison of Zeph/V7's vote's:

On September 06 2012 06:43 Zephirdd wrote:
Risen is not scum, or at least he doesn't look scum based on meta. I could tell you why, but it's information about an ongoing game. Suffice to say he flipped scum there and he looked very differently from these initial three posts.

On the other hand, a rule that seems to work a lot is Kenpachi Rule extended: everytime someone cares about some bullshit from the first post of a player, he's scum.

This applies for both prplhz and Risen here, but only one of them is an OMGUS.

That was quick huh

##vote prplhz


Point no.1 Saying that by meta he IS town (which I believe he is, but for other reasons), but doesn't explain HOW is it different (even though it's an ongoing game, I think zeph could've give at least a small detail.

Point no.2 Times how that rule has worked, is irrelevant (I don't think that a rule that worked alot might ALWAYS work).

Point no.3 Vote's prplhz off an OMGUS (doesn't explain why it's scummy)

********************************

On September 06 2012 12:09 vaderseven wrote:
First off, I agree with prplhz that his vote on Risen is NOT an omgus. I also agree with his general read on Risen and would like to add to it.

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On September 06 2012 05:57 Risen wrote:
(img removed by vaderseven)

I am Fruitdealer. I am able to use my brain to track people down. I advocate a platform of macro-oriented play. If we play smart and safe, I'm confident we can hold off the dirty cheesers left among us. We are an elite group, we 9, don't let filthy cheesers ruin our gameplay!!!

On September 06 2012 05:48 prplhz wrote:
hello

everybody should write something then i'll read it tomorrow evening and tell you who is scum

also can anybody explain to me who ange777 is?

thanks


Let's start the day by analyzing this post. We can see he offers the olive branch, while at the same time attempting to fake a punch with his threat of cases later. His question is meant to give thread presence, while simultaneously doing jack shit. He's going to be gone for a while, let's make it a permanent leave of absence.

##vote: prplhz


This post bothers me alot. Your first post is to declare, with a big bold picture and green text, that you are Green and that we should trust you. You go on to say some feel good stuff about how we will win cuz we are awesomesauce or something.

What prplhz wrote there is fairly standard first post kinda stuff. He is asking people to post so that he can scum hunt... so that makes him scum??

I see no merit to that thought.

I really just don't like your play at all this game Risen. I am feeling fairly sure, for a day 1, that you are either not thinking AT ALL before you post (and I think I recall playing with you before and not thinking that) or you are scum and just not doing a 100% job of hiding it. Of the two possibles there, I find it a fair chance for it to be that you are aggressive scum that is hiding it poorly.

##vote Risen


He explain's why he think's prplhz is town, and explains why Risen's post's are scummy.




Who I think MIGHT be scum from this is, Zephirdd, but the balance might be shifted by the point's of that V7's post seems more careful (explain's everything) while Zeph's is less careful (quick look at the post into he's SCUM).

Conclusion:

Zephirdd slightly leaning scum because if his response
Vaderseven - Null, will read more into his filter later (mostly thinking about the careful/reckless response to the Risen/prplhz voting)




Then again:

On September 07 2012 21:56 Bluelightz wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
My promise from yesterday:

Keirathi: I think he's town, he's been tunneling Risen, but is persistent to his read (which I think is townie because he doesn't take the easy way of voting and makes a case and defends it), he also defends himself when accused by marv.




I have an odd feeling on marv, meta check!

Scum marv (NMMII)

This game's marv

Do you guys see a similarity?I think I do, when I look at his post's, they are: one-liners!, some useless, some pointing out x,y or z. Particularly, his post's don't have much content (or do they :O?), his stances, are understandable, but we don't know why:

On September 07 2012 21:18 marvellosity wrote:
i'm not a fan of lynching prplhz today


See the stance? yes, see why? no.

(Marv could you explain please?)

marvellosity: Odd feeling he might be scum, filter's look the same, but i'd see if he dies N1 or not (Sorry marv, it's normal nao )




My final stance on v7/Zeph:

Zeph: Townie
v7: Still null.

Why?

v7: He believes Risen IS scum, he has posted mostly (all) about him, but he has not posted about anything else.

Zeph: How he was very open, how he provided information willingly as soon as Death Note ended, I consider townie.


However, Your very next post (with no post from vader in between):
On September 08 2012 01:04 Bluelightz wrote:
I'm gonna vote v7, because he's the most scummy candidate I have for now (Between Zeph/Risen who I believe both or townie, or my slight marv read that hinges on who get's killed day 2), and that, he hasn't talked about anything else BUT Risen.

##Vote: vaderseven

(Also, I sadly can't be there for the deadline, unless I wake up early.)

How did he go from null two different times, to your scummiest read with no interaction from him?


Your logic: I should've voted Risen.

My logic: Voted vaderseven because zeph/risen I thought was town.

Err, what?

I didn't ask you why you didn't vote Risen. I asked you how your null read suddenly turned into your strongest scum read.

Do you literally have a town read on every single person in the game, so the best you could do was vote a null read?


During d1, the best you could vote was following the Risen bandwagon train?

I voted v7 because if we swinged votes it would be more likely(easier) to gather support to lynch v7 as some people have already voiced their willingness / say's that the lynch target is between Risen / zeph / v7.



Zeph lynch thoughts:

Will I vote zeph? No. Why wouldn't I? because he has proven his innocence (to me), by being willing to share information with town, even if he picked an easy target (meh) to pick on, by doing that he is actively trying to find scum (he thinks i'm scum) and not wasting time doing other stuff.

Yes, the best I could do was vote Risen. I made a case, gave plenty of reasoning, and argued with Risen about it for hours. I voted for my scum read.

So you voted for your null read. I can kind of understand your reasoning, BUT: who was your scum read? You never actually pushed one at all. The only person you ever even mentioned that you thought was scummy was Zeph, and you changed that to a townie read based on one post.

If there were 3 lynch candidates, but you had a town read of two of them and a null read on the third, wouldn't the appropriate play be to make a case on the person you thought was scum, with supporting evidence etc, and try to get people off of your town read?

But instead, you took the easy way out and just put a throwaway vote with no real reasoning behind it onto v7. Sounds like you didn't particularly care if Risen died, even though he was a "Town read".


How the fuck do I defend Risen while I'm sleeping?. There's not much to say on v7's filter than He hasn't talked about anything BUT Risen.

(Sleeping now, don't expect responses till tommorow after school )
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Bluelightz
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
September 10 2012 11:38 GMT
#528
prplhz's case:

Your case is based wholly on meta, am I correct?

I'm more worried about Bluelightz. This game he was the only one to go against the Risen lynch (besides Risen himself). The last game I remember Bluelightz going against the "mainstream" lynch was Wheel of Fortune Mafia. In that game Bluelightz made a ton of cases on other people because he thought that zentor was town and that it was a mislynch. Everybody agreed that Bluelightz played really well post game, he even got a mention from Radfield in the Mafia Awards thread.

Your Point's:
-Only one to go against the Risen lynch
-I went against the Zentor's lynch as well
-I made a ton of cases because I thought Zentor was town
-I played really well <--- WTF does this have to do?
-Got a mention from Rad <--- WTF this too?

My Point's

-Okay, I'm the only one, why's that scummy?
-How does that have a connection with now?
-Didn't have much of a scum read on everyone else then v7

Second paragraph: Don't give a shit? I give a shit about this game, all my activity is trying to find scum & identify town.

On Marv, as Keirathi (?) is as well, I'm extremely paranoid of him, he didn't die n1 is NMM2, he didn't die n1 here, he was scum in NMM2, I think he might be scum here too (I'll look over his defence for a more solid read).
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Bluelightz
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
September 10 2012 11:54 GMT
#533
On September 10 2012 20:50 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2012 20:38 Bluelightz wrote:

On Marv, as Keirathi (?) is as well, I'm extremely paranoid of him, he didn't die n1 is NMM2, he didn't die n1 here, he was scum in NMM2, I think he might be scum here too (I'll look over his defence for a more solid read).


Zeph should have a field day with these 'slips'. I was scum in NMM THREE and didn't die, obviously. I was town in NMM2 where BL was scum himself and did not have me nightkilled.


Oh shit what was the latest game we played together?
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Bluelightz
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
September 10 2012 11:55 GMT
#534
On September 10 2012 20:53 prplhz wrote:
not much really but i think that the case i wrote on bluelightz is ten times better i don't even understand the case on zeph people are wrong all the time but that doesn't make them scum

bluelightz has actively not given given a shit about this game and that's way scummier


Isn't a case on meta based on chance?
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Bluelightz
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
September 10 2012 12:25 GMT
#537
On September 10 2012 21:00 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2012 20:54 Bluelightz wrote:
On September 10 2012 20:50 marvellosity wrote:
On September 10 2012 20:38 Bluelightz wrote:

On Marv, as Keirathi (?) is as well, I'm extremely paranoid of him, he didn't die n1 is NMM2, he didn't die n1 here, he was scum in NMM2, I think he might be scum here too (I'll look over his defence for a more solid read).


Zeph should have a field day with these 'slips'. I was scum in NMM THREE and didn't die, obviously. I was town in NMM2 where BL was scum himself and did not have me nightkilled.


Oh shit what was the latest game we played together?


Says in that post. So tell me, BL, why are you a fan of lynching me based on the fact I am alive when as scum you left me alive all game in NMM2?


Oh god damn marv, it's this one: NMMIII , that's the game where you were scum .
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