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In response to all this conversation about lists:
I prefer more directed single accusations than lightly accusing a bunch of people at once. If a bunch of people really put the heat on someone and threaten him with a lynch, then shit starts to come out. But if you accuse someone with a few sentences, along with the 5 other people you are accusing, then the accused doesn't even really have to respond. Casting your net to wide is the metaphor.
Yes list making gives you a lot of insight into what people are thinking, but this is a double edged sword. If I have a slight suspicion of someone, I don't necessarily want to let them know that because that will only make them more careful.
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On September 03 2012 19:46 thrawn2112 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Voting for drazak. His first and 2nd post came within 2 hours after the game started, so we know that he was here reading the thread at that time and knew that the game had started. His next post comes a little over 12 hours after his 2nd at which point there has been plenty of discussion but all drazak talks about is lynch policy. The post where he finally gives reads comes in almost a day and a half after the game started. Why would it take anyone that long to give a read? And in that post which gives the most insight into his throught process, all he does is list each player and write a couple short sentences about each. What I said earlier about lists: On September 03 2012 05:39 thrawn2112 wrote:I'm not going to hold it against any of you that make them unless that's the extent of your contribution to the thread.
In summary: He lurks throughout the entire game and only shares reads near the end of D1. Those reads are short and insubstantial and are not intended to spark further conversation. He never questions anyone or makes direct accusations. He's trying to blend in.
The problem I see is that there are a lot of other people with posts equally as insubstantial or worse. At least drazak has given reasons for his inactivity and there is the promise of more activity in the future.
Assume drazak and kville and cubu are town. Which townie would you rather have day 2? For me that's hands down drazak, because he has contributed way more than those other two. It will be easier to determine later if he is scum because he has content to analyze.
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On September 03 2012 19:32 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 18:47 kushm4sta wrote:
So it seems like the consensus is to lynch either cubu or kville. Anyone not feel this way?
Even if they aren't mafia they are solid policy lynches.
Now the question is which one.
Kville is the bigger lurker, but I think there is a higher possibility for cubu to actually be mafia.
Honestly cubu probably isn't mafia either, just because I think mafia would put more effort into their posts. Lynching one of these guys is better than lynching someone who is active though. So my vote is still on cubu. No need to limit ourselves this early. Like I said before there are other decent option and we don't want too many to feel safe this early. If scum feel safe they're more likely to stay away from the thread and we gain no info.
I think you make a good point sonic, except this isn't really early. Lynch happens in less than 14 hours, and there's no way everyone is going to be around right before lynch time. I know I'm probably going to be sleeping.
The reason I want people to say who they are going to vote for is because I really don't want a no lynch. I brought up the idea of a no lynch possibility, but that's because in the last game I was in we had no real lurkers. In this game there are a lot of people who deserve to be lynched. So, for instance, I would change my vote to drazak in a second to prevent a no lynch even though I think he is not our best option.
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@thrawn
Let me just say that was a very nice catch on kville getting replaced. Very sharp. We certainly shouldn't vote for him now. Drazak and Cuba should change their votes. I think the replacement issue makes him just a null read.
So the drazak didn't work out for you? Now you aim your sights at Stutters. Stutters over Cuba makes ZERO sense to me.
He is not the ideal townie, but if you compare his filter to Cuba's, the difference is night and day. As town Stutters appears to be much more helpful, writing in depth and coherently. You are right he has offered no scum read yet. However he still has 8 hours and as he explained he is not a very active poster. On the other hand look at cuba's "scum read." It's more like a defense: you can't lynch him for lurking because kville is lurking way harder. And then he also accuses drazak...hmm that's interesting..but I'll get to that next post.
On September 03 2012 14:01 Cubu wrote:
I'm kind of suspicious of drazak. He says his gonna post in a few hours but its been alot of hours since then and he hasn't posted. And why talk about the no-lynch? You can't no-lynch. There is nothing to discuss about it. And isn't it strange that of all the days, it's the first day of mafia that his dad happens to be moving out. Seems like a false excuse to me.
Anyway his scumread of drazak is based on calling him out for lurker policy fluff, which is the same reason I suspected cuba in the first place. So his "scrumread," which apparently proves his innocence in your mind, is hypocritical, unfocused, and lacking of content.
When you first accused drazak right after I accused cuba, you said
On September 03 2012 08:44 thrawn2112 wrote:
In regards to your vote... I think cubu is a good pick, but I'm also considering drazak for the same reasons I'm assuming you selected cubu.
You weren't even mentioning stutters as a candidate back then, and nothing regarding him has changed. You said cuba was a good pick, so what happened??
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Why town should all vote for cuba
Worst case scenario:he flips green
No big deal, we lynched the worst townie (barring WeeTee whose behavior fits his meta like a glove, and kville who is being replaced). From his posts it's clear he has no intention of contributing more than he is already, which is nothing. Plus that would give thrawn some serious town points in my book, since he refuses to vote for him. Thrawn is good for town atmosphere and very active. It would be quite useful to our scumhunt if we could trust thrawn.
Best case scenario: he is mafia
If Cuba is mafia, I think there is a very high chance that thrawn is also mafia. In which case we will know 2 mafia first day and basically win the game.
People who are specifically against lynching cuba: cuba, thrawn.
People who have voted for or accused drazak: cuba, thrawn.
Twice now thrawn has attempted to redirect the lynch vote away from cuba onto somebody else.
Thrawn says he won't vote for cuba because unlike stutters, cuba has participated in the scumhunt. By scumhunt you mean his failed attempt to bandwagon drazak with you?
We need three more votes on cuba.
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On September 04 2012 03:13 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 11:44 Cubu wrote:
guys, before you lynch me, how about we go on with the plan of lynching the lurkers? This is a really bad defense on his part. His posts doesn't make any sense. He suspects scum to have a plan of lurking, while being a lurker himself, and he doesn't know if there's 3 or 4 scum in the game. But the thing is, when looking at his posting history, he has to be on some weird ass level for him to be scum. Let's apply occram's razor, newbie scum don't level. As I said before, lurking scum usually tends to make their few posts rational (see: stutters). He comes across more as a confused townie to me.
You are wrong to think that scum behavior is always this balance of good and bad townie. Everyone plays mafia differently. And I think you are also wrong to assume that for Cubu to be scum, he would have to be doing some high level mindgames. He's just new and not a good player. If he is town like you say he is, then he is bad, bad town. Wouldn't it also make sense then that as mafia he would be just as bad?
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On September 04 2012 04:16 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On September 04 2012 03:30 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 03:13 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:On September 03 2012 11:44 Cubu wrote:
guys, before you lynch me, how about we go on with the plan of lynching the lurkers? On September 03 2012 11:44 Cubu wrote:
and its cubu, not cuba This is a really bad defense on his part. His posts doesn't make any sense. He suspects scum to have a plan of lurking, while being a lurker himself, and he doesn't know if there's 3 or 4 scum in the game. But the thing is, when looking at his posting history, he has to be on some weird ass level for him to be scum. Let's apply occram's razor, newbie scum don't level. As I said before, lurking scum usually tends to make their few posts rational (see: stutters). He comes across more as a confused townie to me. You are wrong to think that scum behavior is always this balance of good and bad townie. Everyone plays mafia differently. And I think you are also wrong to assume that for Cubu to be scum, he would have to be doing some high level mindgames. He's just new and not a good player. If he is town like you say he is, then he is bad, bad town. Wouldn't it also make sense then that as mafia he would be just as bad? Bad townie acts differently to bad scum. I agree that an inexperienced scum who ends up in a sticky situation will react badly. However, inexperienced scum tends to be much more careful with what they say and thus are less likely to get into the sticky situation in the first place. On September 03 2012 00:25 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:
- An inexperienced townie tends to often act spazzy because he knows he's townie and somehow underestimates the power of the imperfect information in this game. Once his spazzy actions leads to a bandwagon he becomes aware of how difficult it actually is to convince others of his innocence and stop the wagon.
- An inexperienced scum on the other hand is afraid of attention because he realizes the danger of a bandwagon. Since he has close to full information he feels guilty from the get go and wants to stay out of sticky situations.
(this post was written in regards to your weird voting in the beginning of the thread, but the same applies for Cubu's behaviour)
The first real post that he wrote with all the probability strikes me as an attempt at carefulness.
Keep in mind:
1 This is his first mafia game.
2 He never puts effort into any of his posts, at least not on tl. I think it makes sense that his defense is bad, just because can't be bothered to write something good, mafia or not.
Sonic I urge you to change your vote.
Step into the shoes of a total noob shitty poster who doesn't feel like writing anything long. He just did this game for the shits and giggles not to try hard.
Also consider the benefits of a cuba lynch, even if he is not mafia. Worst poster in town gone. Thrawn gets major town points.
Now most importantly consider the benefits if he is scum. We know almost for sure that thrawn is red.
Our read of stutters will only benefit from more time, since he actually posts and there will be more to evaluate. Our read of cuba will stay the same, since he has never shown even the intention of making any cases.
Vote cuba!
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Just for easy reference:
On September 03 2012 00:37 Cubu wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I was thinking, what if the mafias are staying quiet to avoid attention to themselves. Maybe, those lurkers are infact the mafia and are trying to just let the others kill each other. There are 12 people playing and 4 mafias (or was it 3?). The fact of the matter is that we have no clues in the first day. So no matter how much we think about it, its all random. Lets kill A, no lets kill B, makes no difference in terms of probability. Of course the chance is in favour of the mafia, because they are the minority.
3/12 = 25% in a random choice. That is 25% chance of randomly lynching the mafia on the first day, which means 75% chance of lynching the townie. I'm thinking the mafia is just waiting for people to accuse each other while they stay silent, away from the accusations, away from the townies attention.
So overall, there is 25% chance of someone being mafia, but if we are not thinking about all 12 to kill (i.e a discussion involving severall loudmouths accusing and defending each other while the mafia are quietly taking their time) it isn't really 25% but infact 0.
To me this is the hardest cuba tried on a post and it is the epitome of overcarefulness.
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@kville
Hi! Can you please explain what is going on with you?
Do you not want to play anymore? In that case ask for a replacement.
Are you mafia?
Are you trolling?
This game has so many lurkers... it really makes it hard for town.
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On September 04 2012 09:01 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 08:54 kushm4sta wrote:
@kville
Hi! Can you please explain what is going on with you?
Do you not want to play anymore? In that case ask for a replacement.
Are you mafia?
Are you trolling?
This game has so many lurkers... it really makes it hard for town. That line of questioning is a waste of time, I was asking those same questions while he was in thread and he didn't answer and just kept trolling or whatever it is he's doing. Don't know what to make of it. The only two options I see for him are being mafia or being town and intentionally playing poorly.
I'm really at a loss at what do with this guy... one thing is certain, we will waste much time d2 trying to decide.
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On September 04 2012 10:32 thrawn2112 wrote:
With that ole playboy gone the alley's gonna feel empty for a while I tell you what........................yep
kreb
kushm4sta
Cubu
kushm4sta, Kreb, JacobStrangelove, Xatalos, Stutters695, drazak, KillingTime, WeeTee
Stutters695
Sonic Death Monkey, thrawn2112
WeeTee
KillingTime
kville
drazak, Cubu, kville
drazak
thrawn2112
I'm gonna be looking closely at the people who voted for cubu, with special emphasis on their motives and explanations for doing so.
I dont know dude... he seemed like such a better lynch than everyone else to me.
Hi new guy!
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CUBU I'm sorry! If you are still reading this thread.
Regarding Kville:
I think he is a town troll. Hopefully we have a vigi that can kill him. If we don't have a solid suspect for day 2, I'm fine with a lynch on him, just as a pure policy lynch.
I would rather lynch him than someone active who we don't have a really good case against.
I will be back in a few hours with a post focusing on the more active people for a change.
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##fos xatalos
I have some suspicions about you that I would like you address. I know you are pretty inactive though so I hope you can get to them.
You are more experienced than most of us with three games already played. So my big question is why aren't you scumhunting?
You have 5 posts let's look at them.
On September 02 2012 19:08 Xatalos wrote:+ Show Spoiler +There are a couple of posts that caught my attention. On September 02 2012 10:18 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:
Alright fellow townies, one post before I go to bed, it's 3am over here.
Make sure to read the maffia guide thread if you haven't, it's really good. Try to make concise posts and think 'em through before posting, the last thing we need is added confusion.
We also need transparency, so try to contribute with at least one post per game day where you clearly explain your reasoning behind your most solid reads. If everyone does this, the mobsters will have to too.
And blue roles, with great power comes great responsibility, so please don't do stupid shit just because you can :p
Finally, keep in mind: if you're a vanilla townie, death by NK is a great honor and the best possible outcome for the group as a whole.
Goodnight and see ya tomorrow. This post is extremely fluffy, even for the first post of the thread. Just look at the bolded part: there's nothing of value in all that. No opinions, no reasoning, no stances on anything... Nothing. Everything in this post screams classic Mafia pseudo-active "posting for the sake of posting". Then there's this: On September 02 2012 16:58 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:
Not only is a no-lynch bad, it's impossible. Read the rules.
Also, yeah, lynching active d1 posters is usually bad, especially in newbie games. Townies are usually a lot more comfortable with their role. Ime this leads the townies to post more and also say more stupid stuff. The town latches on to someone who said something stupid and we have a mislynch.
On the other hand mobsters are more careful with what they say because they don't want to slip up and get noticed. I'm mostly suspicious of semi-active posters who post nothing but fluff. The bolded part here is something I agree with, but on the other hand, it fits Sonic Death Monkey himself quite well... His filter seems like the most semi-active and fluffy at the moment. Sonic Death Monkey, do you see anyone more suspicious than yourself (by your own standards) right now? If so, who and why? On September 02 2012 17:53 Kreb wrote:
First: GLHF everyone!
Morning everyone, this thread got started nicely overnight it seems. About D1 lynching, from what I've guessed so far its indeed a good idea to lynch lurkers. Obviously the chance of getting a scum right on the first day is limited, but generally it keeps the discussion going. You're also not necessarily sacrificing someone important if you're lynching an inactive townie either. Overall it seems like the best of all the options.
Gonna have a look through some peoples posting histories later on when we get closer to the deadline and more people has posted to see if theres any chance to find hte slightest read on who could be a scum.
(Im gonna have to get used to not editing posts too :p Im way too used doing that!) This is another way of saying "I'm going to wait for a bandwagon to form and then jump on it close to the deadline". Things like that set my Mafia alarms ringing immediately - especially since the rest of that post is just extremely wishy-washy and fluffy non-content... Kreb, if you want to convince me you're not Mafia, then who do you think is Mafia and why? On September 02 2012 12:24 kushm4sta wrote:
Are people ok with NOT lynching anyone first night or is this generally thought of as bad play? Because honestly it seems impossible to have a good idea of who is mafia by then.
Last game everyone was like we NEED to lynch someone, and we ended up lynching WeeTee, an innocent! I love all my townies and I don't want to kill any. At first I thought kushm4sta looked suspicious, but in the end, I really doubt Mafia would go on such a rampage of careless posts - they would much rather hide and wait for good opportunities. Then there's this post that he just posted: On September 02 2012 18:45 kushm4sta wrote:##vote krebPost is really empty. If no one else comes along in 36ish hours I would be down with lynching him. Really premature vote, I know but I'm going to sleep for like 15 hours so it's going to be a while. Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 17:53 Kreb wrote:
About D1 lynching, from what I've guessed so far its indeed a good idea to lynch lurkers.
Then he uses 3 sentences to explain why lurkers are bad even though they are not necessarily mafia, a completely obvious idea. So his whole lurker policy is "it's a good idea to lynch lurkers." I have news for you kreb, a total lurker will be modkilled since you have to post at least once a day. The most lurkerish person we have to deal with is 1 post a day. Speaking of 1 post a day, Show nested quote +
Gonna have a look through some peoples posting histories later on when we get closer to the deadline and more people has posted to see if theres any chance to find hte slightest read on who could be a scum.
You do realize the deadline is very far? A day is 48 hours not 24. Damn guys town is fine. In 30 hours Kreb is going to check SOME filters for a CHANCE to find the SLIGHTEST read. A very proactive post with good reasoning. kushm4sta is looking strongly town to me at the moment.
You quote sonic, bolded his entire post and accuse him of being fluffy. You want him to tell you who he thinks is mafia and why. Well why don't you follow your own advice?
Then you basically repeat my argument against krebs, and again use the phrase
if you want to convince me you're not Mafia, then who do you think is Mafia and why?
Then you call my post a very proactive post with good reasoning . Well if you like posts like that, ie making cases against people, then why don't you do it yourself?
Also I disagree. My post kind of sucked.
Second post!
On September 02 2012 22:00 Xatalos wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On September 02 2012 21:07 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 19:08 Xatalos wrote:There are a couple of posts that caught my attention. On September 02 2012 10:18 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:
Alright fellow townies, one post before I go to bed, it's 3am over here.
Make sure to read the maffia guide thread if you haven't, it's really good. Try to make concise posts and think 'em through before posting, the last thing we need is added confusion.
We also need transparency, so try to contribute with at least one post per game day where you clearly explain your reasoning behind your most solid reads. If everyone does this, the mobsters will have to too.
And blue roles, with great power comes great responsibility, so please don't do stupid shit just because you can :p
Finally, keep in mind: if you're a vanilla townie, death by NK is a great honor and the best possible outcome for the group as a whole.
Goodnight and see ya tomorrow. This post is extremely fluffy, even for the first post of the thread. Just look at the bolded part: there's nothing of value in all that. No opinions, no reasoning, no stances on anything... Nothing. Everything in this post screams classic Mafia pseudo-active "posting for the sake of posting". Since this is a newbie game I think the basics needs to be pointed out asap before we move on. We just need to keep calm and make well thought-out posts, that way it'll be much more difficult for the scum to kick up shitstorms over nothing to get the town distracted. I've followed a few newbie games and the first couple of days the townies are usually too busy throwing around random accusations and lynching other townies to get any productive work going. Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 19:08 Xatalos wrote:On September 02 2012 16:58 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:
Not only is a no-lynch bad, it's impossible. Read the rules.
Also, yeah, lynching active d1 posters is usually bad, especially in newbie games. Townies are usually a lot more comfortable with their role. Ime this leads the townies to post more and also say more stupid stuff. The town latches on to someone who said something stupid and we have a mislynch.
On the other hand mobsters are more careful with what they say because they don't want to slip up and get noticed. I'm mostly suspicious of semi-active posters who post nothing but fluff. The bolded part here is something I agree with, but on the other hand, it fits Sonic Death Monkey himself quite well... His filter seems like the most semi-active and fluffy at the moment. Sonic Death Monkey, do you see anyone more suspicious than yourself (by your own standards) right now? If so, who and why? Fair enough. I think that description fits basically anyone within the first 10-20 post of the thread though. Once the discussion gets going, like it's starting to now, we'll see which posters are ducking and which ones are actually contributing. As for your question, I think it's easier to find people standing out as likely townies at this point. In my experience, people engaging in discussions and poo-flinging early game are less likely to be scum. For this reason, I'll give some townie points to kush and thrawn. Thrawn also seems to be a productive and solid contributor. It'll be hard for him to keep up with that if he's really scum, so some extra townie points for him. When it comes to scum, I'm really suspicious of people who just pop in to make a fluffy post and then disappear. For now, Kreb and KillingTime seems to fit that bill. It's good to see some content from you (I agree with your point about thrawn2112), but the bolded part here is just... weak. Okay, Kreb and KillingTime have done basically nothing so far. But the same applies to Cubu, WeeTee and drazak. Why do you think Kreb and KillingTime are scummy but players like Cubu, WeeTee or drazak are not? Show some reasoning, not just a basic statement. (As a sidenote, the above mentioned lurkers + Kville should really start posting some more, or it's going to be much more difficult to identify the Mafia lurkers.)
The bolded part of sonic's post is "just...weak." Well to me calling something just...weak is pretty weak in itself.
Why do you think Kreb and KillingTime are scummy but players like Cubu, WeeTee or drazak are not? Show some reasoning, not just a basic statement.
Again you are urging people to scumhunt, yet you are not.
Next post you ride my dick some more, calling me town, saying that my read on kreb is strong.
Ok then without even giving an argument you bandwagon on cubu. Third person to join the kush lynch wagon btw. Third is a suspicious number.
On September 04 2012 00:05 Xatalos wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I find it hard to believe that kville would actually be Mafia. Most of the time Mafia are semi-lurkers with fluffy and careful posts, but kville has done literally nothing so far. It's an extreme risk for Mafia, especially since the overall atmosphere is so anti-lurker. We would lose nothing of value by lynching him, but more likely we'd just hit town and proceed to Day 2 with no new information.
I also don't think drazak is Mafia. The typical reaction for pressured Mafia is to get angry, aggressive or desperate, but in my eyes, he has tried to be genuinely helpful - giving away a lot of unnecessary information in case he actually was Mafia. The somewhat frustrated tone in his posts also points more to town than Mafia.
Sonic Death Monkey and Kreb looked pretty suspicious based on their first (really fluffy) posts, but their later posts have been much better. I'm willing to wait and see some more from them before I can make a judgement.
The ones I'm willing to lynch right now are Cubu, WeeTee and Stutters695. Cubu has posted only fluff, a slight suspicion of drazak and several suggestions to lynch a lurker. All very easy and careful things to say - things that Mafia would like to say in order to blend in and avoid unnecessary attention. WeeTee's first post is pure fluff and the next one is pretty wishy-washy and non-committing. The filter of Stutters695 is full of fluff and non-committing stances.
I'm in bit of a hurry already, so I'm going to vote for Cubu. I might be able to come back online a bit later, but not anymore closer to the deadline :/
##Vote Cubu
Why do you vote for cubu? Well your reasoning, in full, is here:
Cubu has posted only fluff, a slight suspicion of drazak and several suggestions to lynch a lurker. All very easy and careful things to say - things that Mafia would like to say in order to blend in and avoid unnecessary attention
And that's pretty much the extent of your scumhunt. Pretty long post, but you only use a sentence of it to justify your vote!
I understand if you are busy doing pushups for the military or something, but it's not your inactivity that bothers me. Rather, it's what you choose to do with your limited number of posts: telling other people to scumhunt rather than doing it yourself, and bandwagoning instead.
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damn i knew that was going to happen... why didn't you save him medic!
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On September 05 2012 10:27 drazak wrote:
If we have a medic, while he was a good town read I'm not sure if a medic would save him or another strong town read.
Yeah but he was confirmed town AND the town's best poster...obvious medic save IMO.
Maybe we should lynch stutters just to honor his memory lol..
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On September 05 2012 10:38 drazak wrote:
Not to demean his memory, but he could have been good mafia convincing us he was town and trying to lead us into bad lynches.
huh? he was a vanilla townie it says so in the mod post
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Oh and we also have no vigi to kill kville..great
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Thrawn was like town leader and now he is gone. We need to do is come up with a plan for day 2 so we can as a town stay focused.
We do NOT want to all be accusing different people. That is what mafia wants.
We do not want to be discussing things that do not contribute to the scum hunt.
Anyone have an idea for a day 2 town plan to help us?
In the next post I will discuss this recent drazak vote for me.
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On September 05 2012 12:10 JacobStrangelove wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On September 05 2012 11:55 drazak wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 03:01 kushm4sta wrote:
Why town should all vote for cuba
Worst case scenario:he flips green
No big deal, we lynched the worst townie (barring WeeTee whose behavior fits his meta like a glove, and kville who is being replaced). From his posts it's clear he has no intention of contributing more than he is already, which is nothing. Plus that would give thrawn some serious town points in my book, since he refuses to vote for him. Thrawn is good for town atmosphere and very active. It would be quite useful to our scumhunt if we could trust thrawn.
Best case scenario: he is mafia
If Cuba is mafia, I think there is a very high chance that thrawn is also mafia. In which case we will know 2 mafia first day and basically win the game.
People who are specifically against lynching cuba: cuba, thrawn.
People who have voted for or accused drazak: cuba, thrawn.
Twice now thrawn has attempted to redirect the lynch vote away from cuba onto somebody else.
Thrawn says he won't vote for cuba because unlike stutters, cuba has participated in the scumhunt. By scumhunt you mean his failed attempt to bandwagon drazak with you?
We need three more votes on cuba. I'm bringing this post, and Kushm4sta into suspiscion. It seemed like you didn't actually think Cubu was mafia. Your reasoning (and lack there of) makes it clear that you weren't voting because you thought Cubu was mafia, but because you thought there was a slim chance of it and that then Thrawn would be a townie. T I think you might be mafia trying to lead town into bad lynches. Why would you vote people who you don't think are mafia if you're town? I think you're mafia, Kush. ##Vote Kushm4sta Well this does bring an interesting side to it. While what he said makes sense, the benifit we would gain from confirmed town was lost when that confirmed town died. Also Kush is going for Xatalos, now. (which I partly agree with) also xatalos (and myself) did go on the cuba wagon when it was tied up. So my theory that Killing Xatalos having a gamble scum (kville or stutters) could be correct. But then does that make Kush innocent? Also we lost the two that were going for drazak, so is drazak scum protecting himself with NK and lynch? (information over load). He goes for kush when kush goes at Xataos. Is he the third scum, and kiville a spazzy town, along with stutters? There is just to many possibilitys it's annoying.
I honestly have no idea what you are saying dude.
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