On August 24 2012 09:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote: If an assassin meets his win condition by being the last assassin standing does the game end or is that player just removed from the game?
what if two assassins meet their win condition AT THE SAME TIME
in all seriousness, what happens if a scum doc is on someone and gets MH bombed? is he "out of the house"?
what happens if a scum doc is on someone and their target gets MH bombed? who dies? why? I'd like to see your logic behind this
BC and I are vets in terms of lynch sway, but less so in terms of play, at our best, in relation to someone like FW. However, he is very good, and I suck.
On September 03 2012 07:24 BlackMamba24 wrote: Whatever happens please no one come up with a retarded plan involving the watchers/trackers and make everyone claim to someone or whatever. Town circles/groups are ok if they form naturally and cautiously but dicussing all that Day 1 just gives the scum a big front to hide under. Read TL Mafia XXX analysis and look how harmful the focus on confirmed townies and blue roles was in that game. It's harmful in every game. It drives me crazy.
completely disagree with this. town circle in this setup? OpZ and I had one, as did rasta/foolishness... and that's how town won this setup previously
what i mean to say with "you should go ahead and vote if you're town" is "i don't want you to be modkilled if you're on my side, because i am very competitive, and i want to win". period. not my period's period? good.
On September 04 2012 08:06 Shady Sands wrote: Since no one's brought it up yet, I think we should lynch lurkers and posters that don't contribute D1. Again, this is not because lurking is a scumtell, but if we let people get away with it then scum have a place to hide.
Drawing from my experience in XXIV, I'm going to say that it's a little early for cases. I'll be watching the thread though.
why lurkers? we modkill lurkers don't lynch lurkers, lynch people who slip up
FoS Rewok -> He says "mafia like to lynch good players" then he's weaseling a vote onto mattchew being justified i haven't read mattchew's filter. let me get onto that. i might be changing my vote.
On September 04 2012 09:12 Mattchew wrote: I am a nosy neighbor. Anyone else with this role should insta-claim as well.
The reason people policy lynch people like BM and Grush is because they get by into later in the game because they are unreadable. This is because they barely actually play the game and if you end up in lylo with one of them left, you've basically already lost. I completely understand anyone wanting to policy lynch them, but we should also not allow them to be off the hook for some sort of scum read during the day.
That being said, I remember thinking to myself that I don't hate BM's play in the last few games I have been in with him. I do not want to policy lynch today.
ok you're getting my vote you wouldn't know you were a nosy neighbor nice slip.
ahhh, man, i just thought I could clear blackmamba and myself via vigilante talk... i just realized MAFIA HAVE A VIG TOO? ASSUMING it's in the game i was looking to see if we had a double lynch, but then i guess i should be just trying to break the setup. it would require people to go out on a limb, and I don't want that yet, so i won't propose any ideas until we have consolidated better
current lynch: Mattchew - Reasoning: Claimed a role he can't possibly know he is... 100% logical - 50% he's trolling? doubtful. Positive chance of lynching mafia. If he was blue, I feel like he would have claimed by now. If not, well, he's not playing to the town, and he's showboating... nobody likes a showboat. Maverick had a bad defense of Mattchew's claim. Now, this wasn't just defending Matt for him to build cred, it was defending a claim that any sane person who was a part of this town would be all over. If he's town, I don't want him in lylo. I urge the vig to take action tonight... maybe even an n-word. This guy could easily be a ninjuitsu. awful. Mafia claiming townie is one thing, but who wants to be in a position of the town we are a part of having to let people off.......?
weigh in on this theory: townies who are found visiting people as nosy neighbors claim tracker?
new FoS presented: Hapahauli. Milton catches him using the word scummy in a way you'd not want to use as town. Admitting something you've done is scummy is one thing, like I did, but the way Hapa used this makes me want to scream scum. His interaction with my 1st suspect Doyouhas is also pretty bad.
Doyouhas looks like he is bussing mattchew to me. He tried to get a quick wagon on a good player (me) who is also a policy lynch (i am... i lurk... play scummy as shit as town... etc) seems like something someone would do with a scum agenda.
Too long, didn't read: FOS Hap, Mav, DYH from thread prefer to lynch Hap tomorrow ... vig on mav as BlackMamba said
On September 04 2012 19:45 Ottoxlol wrote: @Brood Well I am EU, so when the game started at 0:30 I wrote a joke about lurkers, you shouldn't take the first couple of posts seriously come on man. Then I went to sleep. Also I had no idea on what stance to take on the whole sloosh vs Toad thingy so I am waiting on my scumbuddies to tell me what to say.
Meh, last game I was one of the main pushers for the d1 claim lynch and that didn't work out in the end.
Town-Mattchew would claim Nosy Neighbour if he what ?? Scum-Mattchew would claim Nosy Neighbour for what ? I have seriously no clue, someone help me
he messed up and didnt realize nosy neighbors didnt get role pms as nosy neighbors he slipped scumslip
got a little bit to catch up on, but i'm too busy right now - eating subway, have a friend coming over, and am going fishing with my neighbors. all of this may fall through, and i could be stuck with you guys. however, we have a lynch decided, and i have been keeping an eye on the scum interactions (or what i think to be) in the thread, comprising a shortlist (check my filter)
On September 04 2012 19:55 Bill Murray wrote: ahhh, man, i just thought I could clear blackmamba and myself via vigilante talk... i just realized MAFIA HAVE A VIG TOO? ASSUMING it's in the game i was looking to see if we had a double lynch, but then i guess i should be just trying to break the setup. it would require people to go out on a limb, and I don't want that yet, so i won't propose any ideas until we have consolidated better
current lynch: Mattchew - Reasoning: Claimed a role he can't possibly know he is... 100% logical - 50% he's trolling? doubtful. Positive chance of lynching mafia. If he was blue, I feel like he would have claimed by now. If not, well, he's not playing to the town, and he's showboating... nobody likes a showboat. Maverick had a bad defense of Mattchew's claim. Now, this wasn't just defending Matt for him to build cred, it was defending a claim that any sane person who was a part of this town would be all over. If he's town, I don't want him in lylo. I urge the vig to take action tonight... maybe even an n-word. This guy could easily be a ninjuitsu. awful. Mafia claiming townie is one thing, but who wants to be in a position of the town we are a part of having to let people off.......?
weigh in on this theory: townies who are found visiting people as nosy neighbors claim tracker?
new FoS presented: Hapahauli. Milton catches him using the word scummy in a way you'd not want to use as town. Admitting something you've done is scummy is one thing, like I did, but the way Hapa used this makes me want to scream scum. His interaction with my 1st suspect Doyouhas is also pretty bad.
Doyouhas looks like he is bussing mattchew to me. He tried to get a quick wagon on a good player (me) who is also a policy lynch (i am... i lurk... play scummy as shit as town... etc) seems like something someone would do with a scum agenda.
Too long, didn't read: FOS Hap, Mav, DYH from thread prefer to lynch Hap tomorrow ... vig on mav as BlackMamba said
Hey BM - are you proposing that nosy neighbors should do this in the future? That sounds like a terrible policy, it basically sets up a free claim for scum who get caught doing scummy stuff - especially for ninjas using their ninja DT checks.
i'm not saying we won't be potentially lynching trackers keeping scum on a leash having to claim every day who they tracked, where they went, etc? how is that a bad idea?
i mean generally 1) maf don't read the thread as much 2) maf will lie and claim townie(OR NOSY NEIGHBOR LOL) because there are nosy neighbors [see: mattchew]
In his only substantial post, he's very critical of the early-game play of two players. He calls mattchew's vote "retarded" but doesn't attempt to say if it's scummy or not. He doesn't ask questions about their motives - he's just critical, and that seems scummy to me.
##Vote DarthPunk
He chainsaw defends Mattchew after Mattchew recieves pressure from DarthPunk. All the while he avoids actually commenting whether he thinks Mattchew seems guilty or not.
Then he spends time needling the conversation to a point where DarthPunk is willing to unvote Mattchew until BC comes in and blows that shit up (like a bauss).
Other than that he's been plenty forthcoming with town reads, but he has yet to seriously pursue a scum read.
I'd like everyone to turn to Miltonkram for straight up lying about post history. This would be the biggest pile of crap I've seen in the thread if it wasn't for the Mattchew fake-claim. Scum coming in late and trying to make the best of a bad situation IMO.
Then he spends time needling the conversation to a point where DarthPunk is willing to unvote Mattchew until BC comes in and blows that shit up (like a bauss).
At that point in the game, DarthPunk hadn't voted for mattchew yet. DarthPunk never votes until Palmar confirms the lie.
Looks like we have scum #2 - using misinformation to make a key component of his "case" stronger.
Or I just thought DarthPunk had voted for Mattchew already. My mistake. He had put pressure on Mattchew though and thus I would call Hapahauli's attack on DarthPunk a chainsaw defense. If you look at the back and forth between Hapa and Darth you see that Hapa backs off only when Darth starts backing off from Mattchew.
On September 04 2012 11:12 DarthPunk wrote:
On September 04 2012 10:51 Hapahauli wrote: Okay this is getting nowhere fast. Howbout this - other than being "retarded", does it make you lean one way or another toward Mattchew's alignment?
As to Mattchews alignment. He claimed Nosy neighbour. As far as I am concerned if he is not a nosy neighbour it will become apparent over time if he was lying. So I would like to take a wait and see approach. I don't feel like his posts are pro town. Perhaps I am missing things and it is going over my head. But clarity and Transparency are preferable to what has been going on during the last few pages.
That's fair. Your responses seem townie enough - I'd ##unvote if votes in this thread actually counted =P
This sticks out to me because it tells me that Hapa's goal was not to pressure Darth, but to take pressure off of Mattchew. What had Darth done to deserve the BOTD from Hapa?
I may be blind here, but where did Darth seriously push mattchew? I see him point out voting for someone who distrusted the claim as retarded and happa jump on him for it. Would that mean everyone who called me a liar for calling mattchews claim bullshit chain saw defending him?
I honestly do not see this case you are seeing, I see two people moderately arguing over a choice of wording being in this case "retarded".
Everything I can see (maybe my dyslexia is kicking in here) is that they argued over poor word choice and darth never stood down from his opinion, nor did happa. They commented on word choice, it was explained out by both people and once discussed they moved on.
I honestly think unless you can provide me any real analysis here a new case as I just do not see or comprehend what you do here.
I see. See, what is happening here is both distancing and trying to divert the wagon. Hapahauli also has scummy interaction with Doyouhas in the said suspicious post. Doyouhas's vote on me early reeks of scum pushing policy on town
feels like a bus... Hapahauli has bad language use which makes him look like scum.
On September 05 2012 05:41 Gravan wrote: This post is passive and is just here to give you guys some information about me.
I am reading through all the filters and will be making a real contributive post sometime soon. I haven't been keeping up with this thread as well as I ought to have. For some reason, I can't seem to access the voting link from my phone - I am trying to work out when the vote is due, but I will be submitting one in a few hours after reading and pondering, once I get back to my computer. I hope I am not missing a deadline because I really would not like to be modkilled so early on.
I am done traveling after today, so I will be properly active very shortly. Sorry for lurking and not contributing.
Again, sorry for the spam, hello and expect to start hearing from me.
You have one cycle. If you fail to contribute into the night period you should be vigi'd for not following through on your promise.
All vigi's / hatters mark this target, if he fails to contribute please deal with him.
I disagree. His post feels sincere to me. He is letting us know why he hasn't been posting, is apologetic, and truly American.
I don't even care if he's European, dammit, he's acting American. It doesn't matter where he's from.
Why would you want to vig him for this, when you have people like Maverick defending Mattchew?
On September 04 2012 09:12 Mattchew wrote: I am a nosy neighbor. Anyone else with this role should insta-claim as well.
The reason people policy lynch people like BM and Grush is because they get by into later in the game because they are unreadable. This is because they barely actually play the game and if you end up in lylo with one of them left, you've basically already lost. I completely understand anyone wanting to policy lynch them, but we should also not allow them to be off the hook for some sort of scum read during the day.
That being said, I remember thinking to myself that I don't hate BM's play in the last few games I have been in with him. I do not want to policy lynch today.
Why would you claim this? You eliminated yourself as a possible blue from scums list of townies, and it´s not like you doing this eliminates you as a scum suspect. If someone see you visiting a player who dies the we´re lynching you anyway.
check this scummy post from forumite 1) misreads the setup 2) attacks him with a smirk for the claim, which looks scummy as shit 3) takes the visiting thing a step further, saying "if they die" which clears a ton of scum roles... forumite is scum with a role FoS: Forumite
oh, yeah, add rolefishing to a claim, and the "why would you do this?!" or claim this, or whatever he said, seems like scum mad at his partner being stupid
Milton's backtracking of his read has him slipping down from my list of town I'm mentally keeping was pretty null before
but, yes, I'd love to explain, Milt. You see, when people coach others on their play without suspicion, it looks like they're buddying. You're buddying hapa right now even calling him null.
He did the same thing with Doyouhas, who I obviously don't like for his previous vote on me.
On September 05 2012 14:38 Bill Murray wrote: No, Forumite. I don't see how you get that whatsoever. I see you as being scum with Mattchew for not jumping on voting him there.
Isn´t that a different accusation? Before you accuse me of trying to get Matt to claim (meaning that you thought I was scum and Matt town), and now you say I´m scum together with Matt. To answer why I didn´t vote Matt early, at the time I was weighing on what Matt was and engaged him in conversation to get a better read, but until Palmar confirmed how Nosy Neighbors works, there wasn´t enough on Matt for me to throw down a vote. Matt was suspicious for claiming NN, but there were no proof that he was really lying at the time. Why should I vote someone who claims a town role unless I have a good reason to think he´s lying?
you're jumping to conclusions you could be coaching him into a tracker claim as his scumbuddy (what i thought) because he fucked up, and you were trying to salvage the situation. You're playing dumb, here, which is another scum indicator.
I understand engaging in conversation to get a better read of the situation, but to me it felt like you weren't sure whether or not to bus him.
How did you not know how nosy neighbors worked? We've used this setup before.
Proof he was lying? see my last statement .... he was fucking lying.
On September 05 2012 21:40 Z-BosoN wrote: Allison, what kind of info do you think it gives?
If he is scum it puts a lot of suspicion on the people who are still defending him, Ottox and Gravan are the ones I would be most suspicious of. If he isn't scum then it puts the people who were really pushing for his lynch under some suspicion Toad, BC possibly me and a couple others. Of course if he is scum BC is almost definitely town because there would be no reason to sell out your team mate so early on.
I'd say it's the other way around lol.
If Matt somehow manages to flip green or blue Ottox looks really bad. If Matt flips red, whatever, it's a null imo.
I can see why you could think Matt flipping red wouldn't give info by assuming scum insta bussed Matt after Palmar's post. But how does him flipping town look bad for Ottox?
well 24 out of 25 people agree that Matt needs to die.
If that 1 guy telling us Matt is not mafia is right that looks awfully like someone having information he shouldn't have or how in the world is the guy supposed to come to the conclusion that Matt's got to be "not mafia" if everyone else agrees he is.
If Matt flips 3rd party Ottox needs to die 100% because he's a mafia who knew that Matt is "not Mafia" and tried to go for towncred.
If Matt flips town Ottox probably needs to die because he's still most likely a mafia who thought he's getting towncred that way. I'm saying "probably" because it's possible that he really is the 1 out of 25 chance to be town but that's unlikely.
If Matt flips mafia Ottox is either an incredible paranoid townie or an incredible ballsy mafia player. Both equally likely/unlikely (imo) and therefore the flip itself tells nothing so we have to resort to normal analysis.
I'd add in 3rd party he's null as well the same as he would be as town, don't you think? not following your logic here... how would him being an assassin or a tracker be different? He slipped, anyways, so it will be C.
On September 06 2012 01:28 Mattchew wrote: i will flip the winning faction
if you are doing this as a gambit, i don't really mind. it's idiotic, but we got a ton of reads out of this, so it really may have helped the town overall.
On September 05 2012 21:40 Z-BosoN wrote: Allison, what kind of info do you think it gives?
If he is scum it puts a lot of suspicion on the people who are still defending him, Ottox and Gravan are the ones I would be most suspicious of. If he isn't scum then it puts the people who were really pushing for his lynch under some suspicion Toad, BC possibly me and a couple others. Of course if he is scum BC is almost definitely town because there would be no reason to sell out your team mate so early on.
I'd say it's the other way around lol.
If Matt somehow manages to flip green or blue Ottox looks really bad. If Matt flips red, whatever, it's a null imo.
I can see why you could think Matt flipping red wouldn't give info by assuming scum insta bussed Matt after Palmar's post. But how does him flipping town look bad for Ottox?
well 24 out of 25 people agree that Matt needs to die.
If that 1 guy telling us Matt is not mafia is right that looks awfully like someone having information he shouldn't have or how in the world is the guy supposed to come to the conclusion that Matt's got to be "not mafia" if everyone else agrees he is.
If Matt flips 3rd party Ottox needs to die 100% because he's a mafia who knew that Matt is "not Mafia" and tried to go for towncred.
If Matt flips town Ottox probably needs to die because he's still most likely a mafia who thought he's getting towncred that way. I'm saying "probably" because it's possible that he really is the 1 out of 25 chance to be town but that's unlikely.
If Matt flips mafia Ottox is either an incredible paranoid townie or an incredible ballsy mafia player. Both equally likely/unlikely (imo) and therefore the flip itself tells nothing so we have to resort to normal analysis.
I disagree, this is mostly WIFOM. If matt flips mafia, he will look suspicious because of scum motivation. If he flips townie, then he can equally be a townie who actually thought that matt's claim made sense, a townie who thought that matt was trolling and thought you were a better target, a townie who just wants to feel special by disagreeing with everybody else, a scum trying to gain town cred, and whatever else I can't come up with. I don't agree with your "he needs to die 100%". On my point of view, if matt flips scum, he becomes more suspicious, because there is scum motivation in trying to defend a buddy. If matt flips town, Ox will still be as suspicious as he is right now.
I disagree with your disagreeing. HE NEEDS TO DIE 100%.
On September 04 2012 09:05 Forumite wrote: Finished with page 12.
On September 04 2012 08:22 DoYouHas wrote: slOosh, my vote is neither stupid nor a throwaway. I have a friend who I consider a better player than me who has told me that getting BM out of the game quickly is always a good thing. It is meta as hell but it isn't stupid.
Toad's aggression towards you is completely null. You seem to be playing into your town meta so far, but I really won't know for sure until your first/second case.
I dislike you voting a veteran based on meta. You don´t kill veterans, you wait for them to either 1) crush the scumteam or 2) get shot in the night. If they live too long without doing any good, THEN you maybe consider killing them based on meta.
On September 04 2012 07:49 Miltonkram wrote: First things first, here is a list of games I've played in and links to my filters from those games. I start all my games with a list like this because it helps me improve. If I'm scum, I have to avoid playing closely to my scum meta. If I'm town, I put pressure on myself to make good reads. The list is spoilered so as not to take up space. + Show Spoiler +
I was also in Normal Mini III as a VT, but I replaced in and wasn't able to be very active.
I've got to go to work... on Labor Day T.T
I'll be back in several hours. Leave me something to come back to.
Too long, didn´t read. I´m not usually basing my reads upon meta that the player himself provided.
On September 04 2012 07:55 BlackMamba24 wrote: My general stance is that every blue should ultimately do what they want. The environment of this game should not be about confirming blues and then doing what they say. Just because someone is innocent does not make them right in their convictions or accusations so it isn't of too much help really except for process of elimination.
If a town plan arises I'm not gonna be a part of it but I advice blue players to use their own judgment. Never lynch someone just because they wouldn't claim to the town leader or whatever, that's asinine, asiten, asieleven, asitwelve, etc.
Don't bother asking me for my reads because I will never post a list of reads and I hate it when other people post "reads". Thanks.
What do you mean with the bolded part? It doesn´t make sense to me.
On September 04 2012 08:01 slOosh wrote:
On September 04 2012 07:58 Toadesstern wrote:
On September 04 2012 07:56 slOosh wrote: Hapa, what is your idea of a town circle and how does it help us find / lynch / kill scum?
Toad - How is that useless stuff that has nothing to do with the game? The setup changed and maybe people haven't read the updates. I've asked you once and I'll do it again, what else do you want to talk about?
I don't know what you want to talk about. I'm talking about your useless post being useless.
Well BlackMamba's recent post just shows that people can miss information. My post has already proven itself useful, and your opening post which tries to discredit mine has not. Do you think I'm scum by my first post?
What is your problem with Toades? Do you think he´s deliberately disruptive?
We should be killing people we think are scum, no matter the reason. It might be harder to catch a good player with meta arguments, but "veteran" doesn't neccessarily mean "good player" and there are people who have metas that are worth analyzing. I especially don't like this post because it comes from someone who, while not a "vet" in the same sense that BC/BM/BM are, is still definitely in the top third or quarter of players in this game in terms of experience. Seems a little self-serving.
where this regards me (you put bc/bm/bm... what did you mean there?) I noticed this ... jeez my play as town is so bad. anyways, i have seen this as suspicious too. it is just another reason i've wanted to flip Doyouhas.
On September 06 2012 03:46 strongandbig wrote: So I was reading some stuff over, and I really don't like this post, specifically the bolded part:
On September 04 2012 09:05 Forumite wrote: Finished with page 12.
On September 04 2012 08:22 DoYouHas wrote: slOosh, my vote is neither stupid nor a throwaway. I have a friend who I consider a better player than me who has told me that getting BM out of the game quickly is always a good thing. It is meta as hell but it isn't stupid.
Toad's aggression towards you is completely null. You seem to be playing into your town meta so far, but I really won't know for sure until your first/second case.
I dislike you voting a veteran based on meta. You don´t kill veterans, you wait for them to either 1) crush the scumteam or 2) get shot in the night. If they live too long without doing any good, THEN you maybe consider killing them based on meta.
On September 04 2012 07:49 Miltonkram wrote: First things first, here is a list of games I've played in and links to my filters from those games. I start all my games with a list like this because it helps me improve. If I'm scum, I have to avoid playing closely to my scum meta. If I'm town, I put pressure on myself to make good reads. The list is spoilered so as not to take up space. + Show Spoiler +
I was also in Normal Mini III as a VT, but I replaced in and wasn't able to be very active.
I've got to go to work... on Labor Day T.T
I'll be back in several hours. Leave me something to come back to.
Too long, didn´t read. I´m not usually basing my reads upon meta that the player himself provided.
On September 04 2012 07:55 BlackMamba24 wrote: My general stance is that every blue should ultimately do what they want. The environment of this game should not be about confirming blues and then doing what they say. Just because someone is innocent does not make them right in their convictions or accusations so it isn't of too much help really except for process of elimination.
If a town plan arises I'm not gonna be a part of it but I advice blue players to use their own judgment. Never lynch someone just because they wouldn't claim to the town leader or whatever, that's asinine, asiten, asieleven, asitwelve, etc.
Don't bother asking me for my reads because I will never post a list of reads and I hate it when other people post "reads". Thanks.
What do you mean with the bolded part? It doesn´t make sense to me.
On September 04 2012 08:01 slOosh wrote:
On September 04 2012 07:58 Toadesstern wrote:
On September 04 2012 07:56 slOosh wrote: Hapa, what is your idea of a town circle and how does it help us find / lynch / kill scum?
Toad - How is that useless stuff that has nothing to do with the game? The setup changed and maybe people haven't read the updates. I've asked you once and I'll do it again, what else do you want to talk about?
I don't know what you want to talk about. I'm talking about your useless post being useless.
Well BlackMamba's recent post just shows that people can miss information. My post has already proven itself useful, and your opening post which tries to discredit mine has not. Do you think I'm scum by my first post?
What is your problem with Toades? Do you think he´s deliberately disruptive?
We should be killing people we think are scum, no matter the reason. It might be harder to catch a good player with meta arguments, but "veteran" doesn't neccessarily mean "good player" and there are people who have metas that are worth analyzing. I especially don't like this post because it comes from someone who, while not a "vet" in the same sense that BC/BM/BM are, is still definitely in the top third or quarter of players in this game in terms of experience. Seems a little self-serving.
where this regards me (you put bc/bm/bm... what did you mean there?) I noticed this ... jeez my play as town is so bad. anyways, i have seen this as suspicious too. it is just another reason i've wanted to flip Doyouhas.
I'm actually just waiting for Foru to get in here and see him rage about that part. I'd say he's top#2 or top#3 skillwise lol.
I don't think so. I found a tell he has imo. I've got Forumite as easily caught scum on my mental list
Mattchew Doyouhas Forumite removing Hapahauli for his questioning of Milton not sure where i'd want to lynch at slot 4 now... perhaps Ottoxlol... feed the troll to the masses as opposed to feeding him excellent vig shot to add to the list with Maverick
Where's Dr.H been? He's way more active than this, usually.
Ottox you care to make a top 3 scumread like I have? sorry to say you need vigged, but it'd be better if you would stop posting, or actually.. you know... do some work by reading filters and making logical cases ...wow this looks like coaching. I see... I see... maybe I should ease up on my suspicion of Forumite.
Scum could easily just be playing the lurker game this game, but if that's the case, let 'em sit back while players like BC and Toad get confirmed.
On September 04 2012 09:12 Mattchew wrote: I am a nosy neighbor. Anyone else with this role should insta-claim as well.
The reason people policy lynch people like BM and Grush is because they get by into later in the game because they are unreadable. This is because they barely actually play the game and if you end up in lylo with one of them left, you've basically already lost. I completely understand anyone wanting to policy lynch them, but we should also not allow them to be off the hook for some sort of scum read during the day.
That being said, I remember thinking to myself that I don't hate BM's play in the last few games I have been in with him. I do not want to policy lynch today.
Why would you claim this? You eliminated yourself as a possible blue from scums list of townies, and it´s not like you doing this eliminates you as a scum suspect. If someone see you visiting a player who dies the we´re lynching you anyway.
check this scummy post from forumite 1) misreads the setup 2) attacks him with a smirk for the claim, which looks scummy as shit 3) takes the visiting thing a step further, saying "if they die" which clears a ton of scum roles... forumite is scum with a role FoS: Forumite
I don't get this, please explain
Gladly. Forumite is ready to accept the claim if the town does, but he is leaving himself wiggleroom to bus. it is a tell in that he even said "WHY DID YOU DO THIS?" he's mad matt did it. Why would he have reason to be mad if they're not scum together?
The fact you're defending forumite for this by questioning me makes you look bad Shady Sands.
On September 05 2012 06:00 Shady Sands wrote: Quite busy and at work--can someone give me a quick summary of stances on the whole mattchew clusterfuck? (eg who pressured who, and when)
wow, check this, too this kid is definitely fishing im going to be voting him tomorrow
On September 06 2012 06:57 Bill Murray wrote: @Hapa, in relation to your "case" on Ottoxlol - Who is more likely to be picking fights, mafia, or town? Why?
I think that's a bad way to approach the question, since a lot of it depends on individual playstyle and context as opposed to "likelihood."
Picking fights alone isn't mafia or town - Toadsstern was picking fights early in the game, but that was more to generate discussion in my opinion. In the case of Ottoxlol, he's picking fights, not to generate discussion, but to be generally trolly and avoid pursuing his scumreads.
you're not implying, but outright saying he has scumreads wouldn't, he as scum, have a scumlist as opposed to scumreads? Sorry if you consider this semantics
On September 06 2012 07:11 Hapahauli wrote: Wait. What the hell happened to Shady anyway? He's usually much more involved in the thread as town, and now that Normal Mini III is over, he should have the time to play.
um... why are you parroting me? you're scum on my list again just for this post
maybe substitute the latter 2 for BC and/or a lurker(s)... top 2 are like 100% i want to lynch bottom 4 are more meh not saying i'm suspicious of BC - this looks like his town game - but he is a good actor.
Also, Hapahauli, what is your read on Gravan? Scum or town? I don't want you using the word Null. Pick one. Scum or town? Consider yourself having a Gun to your head.
On September 06 2012 07:11 Hapahauli wrote: Wait. What the hell happened to Shady anyway? He's usually much more involved in the thread as town, and now that Normal Mini III is over, he should have the time to play.
um... why are you parroting me? you're scum on my list again just for this post ...
Says the guy who parroted MiltonKram's case on me?
So from that list, you don't see Ottoxlol as suspicious. Why not?
I didn't parrot anything. I said "whoah, that's coaching" Answer my question.
On September 06 2012 07:06 Bill Murray wrote: Austinmcc, what is your read on the Ottoxlol situation? His theories are over the top, right? What does that show about his alignment? Why?
Looking through his profile, I see his only other game was LIII. So he's at least played, although not with me. But he knows that some of the people in this game played that game, he played with them, he knows they are competent individuals with functioning brains.
It's the first time I've ever seen someone cling to something absolutely wrong in this manner. I have posted paranoid rants in two games, stuck by them for a while as possibilities, gotten upset if people wouldn't consider them as possibilities, but I didn't get like this.
Right now (and if Matt flips scum I will be more certain of the read) I can't help but read the whole thing like this:
Matt got caught
Ottoxlol tried to save him, without realizing how bad an idea it was
Ottoxlol shortly realized how bad an idea it was
A decent scum player told him right after he got caught looking very odd that he couldn't back off his defense, because then he'd look even scummier
So he went full bore nuts, and that's why he won't listen to anyone or anything
It doesn't feel like he's just obtuse. At some point he'd get the message. It feels like he's clinging to this.
Do me a favor, and go read Gravan's filter as if he were a scum idiot
On September 06 2012 07:17 Bill Murray wrote: Also, Hapahauli, what is your read on Gravan? Scum or town? I don't want you using the word Null. Pick one. Scum or town? Consider yourself having a Gun to your head.
Null. Deal with it.
His posts/logic right now could come from either mafia or bad-townie. I don't have enough information to make a decision since hasn't posted much. Fortunately we have 48 hours to make a read on him.
yeah youre on my scum list so is gravan you openly coached him
On September 06 2012 07:17 Bill Murray wrote: Also, Hapahauli, what is your read on Gravan? Scum or town? I don't want you using the word Null. Pick one. Scum or town? Consider yourself having a Gun to your head.
Null. Deal with it.
His posts/logic right now could come from either mafia or bad-townie. I don't have enough information to make a decision since hasn't posted much. Fortunately we have 48 hours to make a read on him.
I'd say Gravan looks real scummy right now. He attempted the same thing as Ottox, defending Matt by saying he was probably an assassin, but much more quietly and backed away as soon as he realised it was a bad idea. If anything that looks more scummy than Ottox at the moment.
THANK YOU. Go read Gravan's filter, and tell me if you don't find hapa coaching him? 2nd person I've caught him coaching that looks like scum with him (Doyouhas is the other)
Forumite's defense is really good. He's off my scumlist.
I just filtered mav. TBH, maverick is looking more like town. i mean he's openly defending himself vs me and Dr.H Seems really inactive, however, so I'm not calling off a potential vig shot there... *looks at austin* Though, I'd still rather someone shoot Gravan, at this point.
On September 06 2012 07:17 Bill Murray wrote: Also, Hapahauli, what is your read on Gravan? Scum or town? I don't want you using the word Null. Pick one. Scum or town? Consider yourself having a Gun to your head.
Null. Deal with it.
His posts/logic right now could come from either mafia or bad-townie. I don't have enough information to make a decision since hasn't posted much. Fortunately we have 48 hours to make a read on him.
I'd say Gravan looks real scummy right now. He attempted the same thing as Ottox, defending Matt by saying he was probably an assassin, but much more quietly and backed away as soon as he realised it was a bad idea. If anything that looks more scummy than Ottox at the moment.
THANK YOU. Go read Gravan's filter, and tell me if you don't find hapa coaching him? 2nd person I've caught him coaching that looks like scum with him (Doyouhas is the other)
I don't really like coaching in this thread as an argument for a connection between two scum. I figure if scum has an ounce of sense they will do all their coaching elsewhere. It's possible Hapa is coaching his scum buddies but it's certainly not enough to push for his lynch.
On September 06 2012 07:35 slOosh wrote: Cool. I think now is a good time for me to meander back into the thread and talk about good vig / lynch targets.
On September 06 2012 07:38 Ottoxlol wrote: I tried helping town by making a discussion, Hapa and Toad tried to silence it. They did lied, ignored half of a post to make me look stupid etc. Shoot them.
dude, at this point... idk you're like the guy in a straight jacket that sees more people in the room i've definitely been there as town... hard for me to get a read on you at this point... why don't you just sheep my votes all game
ohhhh i get the bm/bm/bc thing now yeah we're the 3 most obvious pro-town... regardless of alignment possibly toad or even hapahauli... austinmcc is very pro-town as well, but i'd like to see more one liners from him
Toad - How am I being "opportunistic"? I created the 2nd surge in getting mattchew lynched, as SOON AS I CAME TO THE THREAD AND READ HIM IN FILTER
notice how I went from omgusing Doyouhas, simply because he voted for me, to being like WHOAH MATT SLIPPED in like 5 minutes?
Mattchew said "BM is town". Scum typically will do that. Many people have said I'm clear town because of that. You seem to be asking for a doctor (directing the doc is pretty scummy btw) for you or BC, but spreading shit on me. Why? You want me to die tonight?
You casting suspicion on me doesn't detract from me thinking you're pro-town, however, as you're just being illogical.
On September 06 2012 08:27 Bill Murray wrote: ohhhh i get the bm/bm/bc thing now yeah we're the 3 most obvious pro-town... regardless of alignment possibly toad or even hapahauli... austinmcc is very pro-town as well, but i'd like to see more one liners from him
On September 06 2012 08:25 Bill Murray wrote: If Gravan gets vigged (lord willing) and flips scum, do you see any conclusions we can draw from it?
Yes, that the scum team is trolling, because that would mean that they've all dun goofed hard.
If matt claimed nosy neighbor AND ottoxlol defended him like he did AND gravan didn't check QT or nobody put something in QT saying "EVERYONE SHUT UP AND VOTE MATT," then I have a hard time believing there's a ... scum leader? I assume some of the players in this game have played real nice scum games, where they sort of orchestrated everyone's moves. If Ottoxlol and Gravan are both scum, then I have a difficult time believing that scum has such a player. At the very least that guy should be running damage control after Matt and ottoxlol make themselves obvious.
if their "leader" is someone who is really into policy like Forumite or Toad then I could see a breakdown like this
Without an overseer, you cannot see Dark Templar. Capiche?
On September 06 2012 08:27 Bill Murray wrote: ohhhh i get the bm/bm/bc thing now yeah we're the 3 most obvious pro-town... regardless of alignment possibly toad or even hapahauli... austinmcc is very pro-town as well, but i'd like to see more one liners from him
For emphasis:
pro-town... regardless of alignment
You serious?
Yep. I'm not blessed with a scum list, so until I see someone slip up, I'll be scumhunting.
On September 06 2012 08:29 Toadesstern wrote: Btw I'd agree Ottox really has to die. Even if he's town he's probably the most anti-town player in here. He'll continue derailing the thread and he's either a mafia (in which case lynching / seeing him dead is a good thing, duh) or he's someone who will be pushed for a mislynch.
Having him pushed for a mislynch however is way worse than having him die due to a vig because it wastes a complete cycle if he really flips green. So yeah, if you're a town-vig feel free to shoot him.
I'm feeling somewhat uneasy about most of the vets. All of them have their minor issues except for BC right now.
BM looks a little to opportunistic and I can't stop thinking that he's buddying me. Foru's posting a little to cautios for my taste Dr.H's posting feels just off. Can't really put my finger on it though. Like that post when he asked BC wether or not he understood why he didn't trust BC. That probably was the most odd post of the vets I've seen this game.
However, those are all very minor things not worth a damn on their own and frankly I doubt that more than one of them is going to flip mafia. I guess you could call this a "don't treat them as town warning" although I don't want them to be shot. Just pay attention in case I'm dead by tomorrow.
If either BC or I end up dead tonight something's wrong with our medics or we don't have medics lol. Watchers are, as already mentioned, also incredible good for us as we're unlikely to be visited by something like town trackers / vigs / mad hatters. So if someone visits us and we end up being roleblocked or shot that's Jackpot for the watcher.
On September 06 2012 08:29 Toadesstern wrote: Btw I'd agree Ottox really has to die. Even if he's town he's probably the most anti-town player in here. He'll continue derailing the thread and mafia is he's either a mafia (in which case lynching seeing him dead is a good thing, duh) or he's someone who will be pushed for a mislynch.
Having him pushed for a mislynch however is way worse than having him die because it wastes a complete cycle if he really flips green. So yeah, if you're a town-vig feel free to shoot him.
I'm feeling somewhat uneasy about most of the vets. All of them have their minor issues except for BC right now.
BM looks a little to opportunistic and I can't stop thinking that he's buddying me. Foru's posting a little to cautios for my taste Dr.H's posting feels just off. Can't really put my finger on it though. Like that post when he asked BC wether or not he understood why he didn't trust BC. That probably was the most odd post of the vets I've seen this game.
However, those are all very minor things not worth a damn on their own and frankly I doubt that more than one of them is going to flip mafia. I guess you could call this a "don't treat them as town warning" although I don't want them to be shot. Just pay attention in case I'm dead by tomorrow.
If either BC or I end up dead tonight something's wrong with our medics or we don't have medics lol. Watchers are, as already mentioned, also incredible good for us as we're unlikely to be visited by something like town trackers / vigs / mad hatters. So if someone visits us and we end up being roleblocked or shot that's Jackpot for the watcher.
"and mafia is " why did you feel the need to add that, toad? wtf? you also admit ottoxlol is town you've gone from town to leaning scum in my mind reaaaalllly fast if you need punctuation there, perhaps you should try EBWOP again.
On September 06 2012 07:03 Bill Murray wrote: Ottox you care to make a top 3 scumread like I have? sorry to say you need vigged, but it'd be better if you would stop posting, or actually.. you know... do some work by reading filters and making logical cases ...wow this looks like coaching. I see... I see... maybe I should ease up on my suspicion of Forumite.
Scum could easily just be playing the lurker game this game, but if that's the case, let 'em sit back while players like BC and Toad get confirmed.
Toad is scum. Hapahauli confirmed my suspicions by his last post, he's purposely trying to skew the discussion. I think these two are defending their mates by not letting the Matt discussion go on -> the other 2 possibly are lurkers who voted on Matt with no real content. imallinson Z-BosoN Shady Sands DarthPunk ShiaoPi BlackMamba24 goodkarma all voted Matt after Palmar's announcment and provide little to no reasoning. Bad town or scum can easily be among them
See I am not sure if anyone else caught this as I am still reading / catching up but no where in the OP does it tell me that I can see how many red's there are. As in town doesn't know how big the mafia team is.
By telling us that happa + toad are defending matt and the other two are lurkers means you KNOW THERE ARE 5.
So, I say we off you next.
If Palmar said the exact scum team numbers somewhere I have missed I apologize for my outburst and will find other people to hang.
i thought there would be six him saying toad IS mafia makes me think he isn't lying about that, especially with toad's recent EBWOP that looks like scum
Regardless, Toad just majorly backtracked and EBWOPed because he called ottoxlol town and encouraged a vig... he's lying, and nervous about it, imo. I feel like he knows that ottoxlol would need a vig... toad has slipped up quite a bit, but i'm not 100% on him.
Sloosh just said BC and Dr.H were both town if he's red, he just pulled a mattchew. I have to read these last few pages of walls, and i'm a bit busy right now, but i'll be back shortly.
On September 06 2012 12:10 austinmcc wrote: Black Mamba is one of the nicknames of Kobe Bryant, who wears # 24. He's old and washed up, inaccurate, probably responsible for global warming.
BlackMamba24, BM24, Kobe are all ... that guy, who also has an old account that people are calling DrH, which he's posted under a couple times (DrHelvetica).
Steve Nash is everyone's favorite player ever, who now has the misfortune of playing a team with Kobe.
On September 06 2012 07:51 BlackMamba24 wrote: If you're unsure if someone is scum/assassin but have good reason to think they are scum, broadcast their case as an assassin so that assassins will hit the scum at night and help us win faster.
to which he replied
That's not just an idea that should get you town cred, it's just a weird little thought thrown into a bigger post of his, and, in my mind, it's not what I'd come up with if I were just thinking about how to get townies to think I'm townie.
I had a post about associative tells, but honestly, I'm not even going to bring another one up. I'll be waiting to push someone on hard evidence, like what I found (not saying it was my case.. but filtering him, it glared out at me... so i found it as well) on Mattchew.
On September 07 2012 11:37 Hapahauli wrote: Before I go to bed for the night:
BroodKingEXE
He has two very suspicious posts regarding two confirmed players: Mattchew and Ottoxlol.
A bit before Mattchew is scum-confirmed (right around when a few players start voting for Mattchew), Broodking posts this unbelievably wishy-washy opinion on Mattchew.
On September 04 2012 16:20 BroodKingEXE wrote: About Mattchew (who I think is town): Here's my breakdown of the situation : Matt's roleclaimed and given two reasons he claimed to avoid mislynch and/or draw a mafia shot. At first glance the roleclaim seemed like a great idea, but as I thought about it there were just too many holes. My initial thought was that it was a good idea and that could have been Matt's (based on the reasoning too). Another problem I find with lynching him is that what he has done (roleclaim) isn't verifiable until he is lynched. Right now its a coinflip and I haven't seen anything else that suggests he is scum. Fakeclaims aren't good basis for a lynch, they're not even able to be confirmed until the lynch, so I cant vote for him unless his posting sounds scummy.
Look at the logic - he first thinks its a great idea, then there are "too many holes." He doesn't want to lynch him because his "roleclaim isn't verifiable until he is lynched" - the hell? He said he's town originally, then says "its a coinflip" Then he says "Fakeclaims aren't good basis for a lynch" and wants to wait until "mattchew sounds scummy". Again, the fakeclaim is the entire reason everyone voted for him.
But wait! Two pages after the fakeclaim (and before Mattchew posted anything in the interim):
On September 05 2012 00:12 BroodKingEXE wrote: Unvote ##Vote: Mattchew
Wow.
After stating earlier that the fakeclaim wasn't enough to lynch Mattchew, he votes Mattchew for that very reasoning.
His viewpoints on Ottoxlol are the nail in the coffin:
Goes from top scumread:
No, his response was belivable based on posts he made after his sloosh interaction. Ottox has replaced him [ed note: Broodking's scumread on Toad due to the fact that he is pushing a "Matt is an assasin/townie scheme" instead of pushing his scum read toad.
Then proceeds to push cases against Miltonkram, Shadysands, and Gravan while Ottox is his top scumread:
Then says strange things about potentially townie Ottox while keeping a scumread on him.
filter My 2 cents about the Ottox thing. I played with him in Area 53 and he's as stubborn as a mule. I could see him trying to derail a lynch from a town perspective. I just don't get why as town he wont push a lynch canidate (in all seriousness his isn't doing much to push toad or hapa). That's why Im keeping a scum read on him.
I see a clear attempt to be helpful and constructive here, at least over the first couple pages. Not belligerent, listening to other players, pressuring people, making a real effort to help the town. Seems very different to me.
It was later in the game from what I remember, just that he doesn't really listen (or ignores) others logic.
BroodKingEXEis scum!
##Vote BroodKingEXE
I've got a break to post. The reason I didn't like the idea of voting for a fake-claim is because short of Mod-confirmation, we wouldn't have any way to confirm BC's theory. I switched my vote because the fake-claim was confirmed and Mattchew had made no attempt to explain the fake-claim from a town perspective.
considering... like... people (a guy named xelin, off the top) have had nosy-neighbor roles before? i disagree w this
On September 09 2012 07:09 slOosh wrote: I don't even.
So Scum decided 1KP on BC was a good idea? ... GK probably bombed ... so ... Gah I'm just gonna wait till tomorrow NK to figure it out. By then vigs should have used their second bullet and should claim.
Gonna go cool off first.
Notice the capitalization of scum, and him seeming to have too much knowledge. Couple that with IIoA and I'm a little suspicious. Sloosh, do you have any meta I can have? A town game, first, possibly a few (like 2 as green 1 as blue), and a scum game?
On September 09 2012 14:40 slOosh wrote: Cool your heads - this is probably more detrimental than beneficial.
Vig, decide for yourself what you want to do with your second bullet. Cross reference what you take out of the BKEXE mislynch with the Mattchew lynch and a lurker list.
Logic can lean towards information instead of analysis sloosh is someone i'm going to FoS until I can further analyze.
On September 09 2012 16:24 DarthPunk wrote: BM. I have no idea what you are talking about. Could you clarify and expand on whatever it is you are saying?
On September 09 2012 07:09 slOosh wrote: I don't even.
So Scum decided 1KP on BC was a good idea? ... GK probably bombed ... so ... Gah I'm just gonna wait till tomorrow NK to figure it out. By then vigs should have used their second bullet and should claim.
Gonna go cool off first.
Notice the capitalization of scum, and him seeming to have too much knowledge. Couple that with IIoA and I'm a little suspicious.
I didnt get this at least. From that post you make out that he seems to know too much. How? To me he is just speculating, which might not be worthy of a post to begin with but doesnt seem scummy to me.
i ctrl+ved the 2nd post onto the first, so the first references the ending of the post
im waiting on sloosh to provide some meta before I continue with this
On September 09 2012 07:09 slOosh wrote: I don't even.
So Scum decided 1KP on BC was a good idea? ... GK probably bombed ... so ... Gah I'm just gonna wait till tomorrow NK to figure it out. By then vigs should have used their second bullet and should claim.
Gonna go cool off first.
Notice the capitalization of scum, and him seeming to have too much knowledge. Couple that with IIoA and I'm a little suspicious.
I didnt get this at least. From that post you make out that he seems to know too much. How? To me he is just speculating, which might not be worthy of a post to begin with but doesnt seem scummy to me.
Kreb, BM is just trolling. Can you look at the DP/me/Hapa exchange in the past few pages and give us your thoughts?
On September 09 2012 19:05 Forumite wrote: I don´t understand why Z-boson talks about asking vets to confirm the number of watchers. There are probably more watchers in this game but we can´t know, so using that as any basis for a lynch is a very bad idea. His post-lynch post about how vets should have confirmed the number of watchers and that there must be a scum among the vets, it's a useless post and doesn´t sit well with me. He´s trying to shift the blame on vets even though none of his suspicions have any grounds, but posts like that usually makes it easier to start a wagon later in the game because "people have been suspicious". I´d rather see Z-boson make a real case on someone.
Toades, we don´t know if Palmar deliberately made sure to put vets on the scumteam. Even if Palmar put vets on the scumteam, I once lost the game for town (as town) by trying to start a wagon on Palmar, because he was leading town too well. Do you think it´s likely he´d try and boost the scumteam by adding me?
Also; Bill Murray, get in here.
hmm? i need to catch up, but i've seen you beckoning me a few times im waiting on an answer from sloosh before i proceed with my isolation on him
On September 09 2012 07:09 slOosh wrote: I don't even.
So Scum decided 1KP on BC was a good idea? ... GK probably bombed ... so ... Gah I'm just gonna wait till tomorrow NK to figure it out. By then vigs should have used their second bullet and should claim.
Gonna go cool off first.
Notice the capitalization of scum, and him seeming to have too much knowledge. Couple that with IIoA and I'm a little suspicious. Sloosh, do you have any meta I can have? A town game, first, possibly a few (like 2 as green 1 as blue), and a scum game?
On September 09 2012 14:40 slOosh wrote: Cool your heads - this is probably more detrimental than beneficial.
Vig, decide for yourself what you want to do with your second bullet. Cross reference what you take out of the BKEXE mislynch with the Mattchew lynch and a lurker list.
Logic can lean towards information instead of analysis sloosh is someone i'm going to FoS until I can further analyze.
I am unsure if it is me or your writing style but I really find it difficult to follow what you are saying. It seems like you do have something to say, so please help me understand by clarifying and expanding.
even if sloosh is being logical, his points are really just a summation of events as opposed to actually scumhunting he seems to have more knowledge than I do at this point, but that might not be saying much (Y)
On September 09 2012 19:05 Forumite wrote: I don´t understand why Z-boson talks about asking vets to confirm the number of watchers. There are probably more watchers in this game but we can´t know, so using that as any basis for a lynch is a very bad idea. His post-lynch post about how vets should have confirmed the number of watchers and that there must be a scum among the vets, it's a useless post and doesn´t sit well with me. He´s trying to shift the blame on vets even though none of his suspicions have any grounds, but posts like that usually makes it easier to start a wagon later in the game because "people have been suspicious". I´d rather see Z-boson make a real case on someone.
Toades, we don´t know if Palmar deliberately made sure to put vets on the scumteam. Even if Palmar put vets on the scumteam, I once lost the game for town (as town) by trying to start a wagon on Palmar, because he was leading town too well. Do you think it´s likely he´d try and boost the scumteam by adding me?
Also; Bill Murray, get in here.
hmm? i need to catch up, but i've seen you beckoning me a few times im waiting on an answer from sloosh before i proceed with my isolation on him
Hurry please, you only have 10 hours to prepare a pre-deadline post.
You know I still am leaning scum on you? Why should I hurry?
On September 09 2012 19:05 Forumite wrote: I don´t understand why Z-boson talks about asking vets to confirm the number of watchers. There are probably more watchers in this game but we can´t know, so using that as any basis for a lynch is a very bad idea. His post-lynch post about how vets should have confirmed the number of watchers and that there must be a scum among the vets, it's a useless post and doesn´t sit well with me. He´s trying to shift the blame on vets even though none of his suspicions have any grounds, but posts like that usually makes it easier to start a wagon later in the game because "people have been suspicious". I´d rather see Z-boson make a real case on someone.
Toades, we don´t know if Palmar deliberately made sure to put vets on the scumteam. Even if Palmar put vets on the scumteam, I once lost the game for town (as town) by trying to start a wagon on Palmar, because he was leading town too well. Do you think it´s likely he´d try and boost the scumteam by adding me?
Also; Bill Murray, get in here.
hmm? i need to catch up, but i've seen you beckoning me a few times im waiting on an answer from sloosh before i proceed with my isolation on him
Hurry please, you only have 10 hours to prepare a pre-deadline post.
You know I still am leaning scum on you? Why should I hurry?
I´m ignoring your earlier FoS on me. So far the only cases on me have been bad play, less aggressive than usual and "is scum because there must be scum vets, and the other vets flipped town. If you have anything real to add then I´ll listen to it, but I´m tired of weak suspicions without basis in evidence.
Anyway you should hurry because you are a vet, you are lurking, you are not helping town right now, and because you might have less than 10 hours to live in this game. That should be enough reason to get active right now.
the bolded coupled together are all very contradictory you are an assassin huh? you should work with the town, btw, it is your only hope
On September 04 2012 09:12 Mattchew wrote: I am a nosy neighbor. Anyone else with this role should insta-claim as well.
The reason people policy lynch people like BM and Grush is because they get by into later in the game because they are unreadable. This is because they barely actually play the game and if you end up in lylo with one of them left, you've basically already lost. I completely understand anyone wanting to policy lynch them, but we should also not allow them to be off the hook for some sort of scum read during the day.
That being said, I remember thinking to myself that I don't hate BM's play in the last few games I have been in with him. I do not want to policy lynch today.
Why would you claim this? You eliminated yourself as a possible blue from scums list of townies, and it´s not like you doing this eliminates you as a scum suspect. If someone see you visiting a player who dies the we´re lynching you anyway.
No this is my case on you you're coaching Mattchew and warning him that you're going to bus him this looks like it was your shittily devised plan for him to even claim
On September 04 2012 19:37 Bill Murray wrote: austinmc aka autismnc
I BROUGHT HIM UP AS A JOKE
On September 06 2012 07:06 Bill Murray wrote: Austinmcc, what is your read on the Ottoxlol situation? His theories are over the top, right? What does that show about his alignment? Why?
then i filtered him, and i was like, holy fuck this guy has 3 wall posts and is the most obvious blue I HAVE EVER SEEN
but i didnt want to give it away, so i decided to engage him in questioning, as seen above
On September 06 2012 07:06 Bill Murray wrote: Austinmcc, what is your read on the Ottoxlol situation? His theories are over the top, right? What does that show about his alignment? Why?
Looking through his profile, I see his only other game was LIII. So he's at least played, although not with me. But he knows that some of the people in this game played that game, he played with them, he knows they are competent individuals with functioning brains.
It's the first time I've ever seen someone cling to something absolutely wrong in this manner. I have posted paranoid rants in two games, stuck by them for a while as possibilities, gotten upset if people wouldn't consider them as possibilities, but I didn't get like this.
Right now (and if Matt flips scum I will be more certain of the read) I can't help but read the whole thing like this:
Matt got caught
Ottoxlol tried to save him, without realizing how bad an idea it was
Ottoxlol shortly realized how bad an idea it was
A decent scum player told him right after he got caught looking very odd that he couldn't back off his defense, because then he'd look even scummier
So he went full bore nuts, and that's why he won't listen to anyone or anything
It doesn't feel like he's just obtuse. At some point he'd get the message. It feels like he's clinging to this.
Do me a favor, and go read Gravan's filter as if he were a scum idiot
and then i encourage him to scumhunt, which he does. It was awesome. My questioning lead to him posting a little more, which may have bought him another cycle. IDK. Regardless, notice how I'm trying to get him to engage me in more scumhunting? I have no suspicion of him at all, not only do I figure he's town, I know he's blue/red, and I'm leaning blue at this point. He's not acting as per his townie meta, and he looks blue as shit versus being scum. He could be scum here, but that's why I'm questioning him at all, really, to see how he will react.
Well, he reacted well, so I, as above, asked him about Gravan
On September 06 2012 08:27 Bill Murray wrote: ohhhh i get the bm/bm/bc thing now yeah we're the 3 most obvious pro-town... regardless of alignment possibly toad or even hapahauli... austinmcc is very pro-town as well, but i'd like to see more one liners from him
On September 06 2012 08:25 Bill Murray wrote: If Gravan gets vigged (lord willing) and flips scum, do you see any conclusions we can draw from it?
Yes, that the scum team is trolling, because that would mean that they've all dun goofed hard.
If matt claimed nosy neighbor AND ottoxlol defended him like he did AND gravan didn't check QT or nobody put something in QT saying "EVERYONE SHUT UP AND VOTE MATT," then I have a hard time believing there's a ... scum leader? I assume some of the players in this game have played real nice scum games, where they sort of orchestrated everyone's moves. If Ottoxlol and Gravan are both scum, then I have a difficult time believing that scum has such a player. At the very least that guy should be running damage control after Matt and ottoxlol make themselves obvious.
if their "leader" is someone who is really into policy like Forumite or Toad then I could see a breakdown like this
Without an overseer, you cannot see Dark Templar. Capiche?
Notice how I'm FoS the "top scum" who is likely Forumite I don't think it's Toad - pretty sure he's town as per meta by now... he's just such a good player, that I'm wary of him. Back on track, and off tangent, the bolded line above is me saying "hey, you're blue, but don't worry about me... im not scum"
I actually like Shady Sand's Hapahauli vote. If Hapahauli takes off, I will definitely join. I also found something from Sloosh that makes me not really care about him as much.
Forumite's appeal to me to unvote him (though implied) shall be heard at this time. I will be honoring my word as a man, and voting Shady Sands. Z-BosoN is town, as is Toad, and possibly Forumite. This I have decreed.
but, for now, I shall play League of Legends, as my draft pick game FINALLY queued. level 29 ... gonna be tedious compared to all other 28 but the challenge? ha. i await.
On September 04 2012 19:37 Bill Murray wrote: austinmc aka autismnc
I BROUGHT HIM UP AS A JOKE
On September 06 2012 07:06 Bill Murray wrote: Austinmcc, what is your read on the Ottoxlol situation? His theories are over the top, right? What does that show about his alignment? Why?
then i filtered him, and i was like, holy fuck this guy has 3 wall posts and is the most obvious blue I HAVE EVER SEEN
but i didnt want to give it away, so i decided to engage him in questioning, as seen above
On September 06 2012 07:21 Bill Murray wrote:
On September 06 2012 07:18 austinmcc wrote:
On September 06 2012 07:06 Bill Murray wrote: Austinmcc, what is your read on the Ottoxlol situation? His theories are over the top, right? What does that show about his alignment? Why?
Looking through his profile, I see his only other game was LIII. So he's at least played, although not with me. But he knows that some of the people in this game played that game, he played with them, he knows they are competent individuals with functioning brains.
It's the first time I've ever seen someone cling to something absolutely wrong in this manner. I have posted paranoid rants in two games, stuck by them for a while as possibilities, gotten upset if people wouldn't consider them as possibilities, but I didn't get like this.
Right now (and if Matt flips scum I will be more certain of the read) I can't help but read the whole thing like this:
Matt got caught
Ottoxlol tried to save him, without realizing how bad an idea it was
Ottoxlol shortly realized how bad an idea it was
A decent scum player told him right after he got caught looking very odd that he couldn't back off his defense, because then he'd look even scummier
So he went full bore nuts, and that's why he won't listen to anyone or anything
It doesn't feel like he's just obtuse. At some point he'd get the message. It feels like he's clinging to this.
Do me a favor, and go read Gravan's filter as if he were a scum idiot
and then i encourage him to scumhunt, which he does. It was awesome. My questioning lead to him posting a little more, which may have bought him another cycle. IDK. Regardless, notice how I'm trying to get him to engage me in more scumhunting? I have no suspicion of him at all, not only do I figure he's town, I know he's blue/red, and I'm leaning blue at this point. He's not acting as per his townie meta, and he looks blue as shit versus being scum. He could be scum here, but that's why I'm questioning him at all, really, to see how he will react.
Well, he reacted well, so I, as above, asked him about Gravan
On September 06 2012 08:34 Bill Murray wrote:
On September 06 2012 08:32 austinmcc wrote:
On September 06 2012 08:27 Bill Murray wrote: ohhhh i get the bm/bm/bc thing now yeah we're the 3 most obvious pro-town... regardless of alignment possibly toad or even hapahauli... austinmcc is very pro-town as well, but i'd like to see more one liners from him
On September 06 2012 08:25 Bill Murray wrote: If Gravan gets vigged (lord willing) and flips scum, do you see any conclusions we can draw from it?
Yes, that the scum team is trolling, because that would mean that they've all dun goofed hard.
If matt claimed nosy neighbor AND ottoxlol defended him like he did AND gravan didn't check QT or nobody put something in QT saying "EVERYONE SHUT UP AND VOTE MATT," then I have a hard time believing there's a ... scum leader? I assume some of the players in this game have played real nice scum games, where they sort of orchestrated everyone's moves. If Ottoxlol and Gravan are both scum, then I have a difficult time believing that scum has such a player. At the very least that guy should be running damage control after Matt and ottoxlol make themselves obvious.
if their "leader" is someone who is really into policy like Forumite or Toad then I could see a breakdown like this
Without an overseer, you cannot see Dark Templar. Capiche?
Notice how I'm FoS the "top scum" who is likely Forumite I don't think it's Toad - pretty sure he's town as per meta by now... he's just such a good player, that I'm wary of him. Back on track, and off tangent, the bolded line above is me saying "hey, you're blue, but don't worry about me... im not scum"
wait I'm confused what exactly you're saying here.
so you're admitting you, like i, as town, rarely read nested quotes?
On September 04 2012 19:37 Bill Murray wrote: austinmc aka autismnc
I BROUGHT HIM UP AS A JOKE
On September 06 2012 07:06 Bill Murray wrote: Austinmcc, what is your read on the Ottoxlol situation? His theories are over the top, right? What does that show about his alignment? Why?
then i filtered him, and i was like, holy fuck this guy has 3 wall posts and is the most obvious blue I HAVE EVER SEEN
but i didnt want to give it away, so i decided to engage him in questioning, as seen above
On September 06 2012 07:21 Bill Murray wrote:
On September 06 2012 07:18 austinmcc wrote:
On September 06 2012 07:06 Bill Murray wrote: Austinmcc, what is your read on the Ottoxlol situation? His theories are over the top, right? What does that show about his alignment? Why?
Looking through his profile, I see his only other game was LIII. So he's at least played, although not with me. But he knows that some of the people in this game played that game, he played with them, he knows they are competent individuals with functioning brains.
It's the first time I've ever seen someone cling to something absolutely wrong in this manner. I have posted paranoid rants in two games, stuck by them for a while as possibilities, gotten upset if people wouldn't consider them as possibilities, but I didn't get like this.
Right now (and if Matt flips scum I will be more certain of the read) I can't help but read the whole thing like this:
Matt got caught
Ottoxlol tried to save him, without realizing how bad an idea it was
Ottoxlol shortly realized how bad an idea it was
A decent scum player told him right after he got caught looking very odd that he couldn't back off his defense, because then he'd look even scummier
So he went full bore nuts, and that's why he won't listen to anyone or anything
It doesn't feel like he's just obtuse. At some point he'd get the message. It feels like he's clinging to this.
Do me a favor, and go read Gravan's filter as if he were a scum idiot
and then i encourage him to scumhunt, which he does. It was awesome. My questioning lead to him posting a little more, which may have bought him another cycle. IDK. Regardless, notice how I'm trying to get him to engage me in more scumhunting? I have no suspicion of him at all, not only do I figure he's town, I know he's blue/red, and I'm leaning blue at this point. He's not acting as per his townie meta, and he looks blue as shit versus being scum. He could be scum here, but that's why I'm questioning him at all, really, to see how he will react.
Well, he reacted well, so I, as above, asked him about Gravan
On September 06 2012 08:34 Bill Murray wrote:
On September 06 2012 08:32 austinmcc wrote:
On September 06 2012 08:27 Bill Murray wrote: ohhhh i get the bm/bm/bc thing now yeah we're the 3 most obvious pro-town... regardless of alignment possibly toad or even hapahauli... austinmcc is very pro-town as well, but i'd like to see more one liners from him
On September 06 2012 08:25 Bill Murray wrote: If Gravan gets vigged (lord willing) and flips scum, do you see any conclusions we can draw from it?
Yes, that the scum team is trolling, because that would mean that they've all dun goofed hard.
If matt claimed nosy neighbor AND ottoxlol defended him like he did AND gravan didn't check QT or nobody put something in QT saying "EVERYONE SHUT UP AND VOTE MATT," then I have a hard time believing there's a ... scum leader? I assume some of the players in this game have played real nice scum games, where they sort of orchestrated everyone's moves. If Ottoxlol and Gravan are both scum, then I have a difficult time believing that scum has such a player. At the very least that guy should be running damage control after Matt and ottoxlol make themselves obvious.
if their "leader" is someone who is really into policy like Forumite or Toad then I could see a breakdown like this
Without an overseer, you cannot see Dark Templar. Capiche?
Notice how I'm FoS the "top scum" who is likely Forumite I don't think it's Toad - pretty sure he's town as per meta by now... he's just such a good player, that I'm wary of him. Back on track, and off tangent, the bolded line above is me saying "hey, you're blue, but don't worry about me... im not scum"
wait I'm confused what exactly you're saying here.
specifically i mean the bread crumb thing or whatever it is you're claiming at the end.
I don't believe in cryptography. I'm not risking a moderator getting mad and myself getting modkilled for a third time. 3 strikes? you're out.
bullshit. I am VERY vocal in my blue reads. My town play is looked down upon, but my SCUM play? Name 1 scum in this game who would direct over me? None. idiot
On September 04 2012 08:22 DoYouHas wrote: slOosh, my vote is neither stupid nor a throwaway. I have a friend who I consider a better player than me who has told me that getting BM out of the game quickly is always a good thing. It is meta as hell but it isn't stupid.
Toad's aggression towards you is completely null. You seem to be playing into your town meta so far, but I really won't know for sure until your first/second case.
Who is this friend who told you to always kill Bill murray?
Yes, an old post but I don´t think it was answered.
He did answer. L. L doesn't feel that way anymore in reality; he's just trolling around with this poor guy, but he got replaced, so why does it matter now? Forumite why are you so scummyyyy
Ill answer that. I'd rather lynch imallinson today, contrary to what most of you believe. I'm leaving Toad/Forumite for now. If they're town, it will help the town.
On September 10 2012 10:11 Forumite wrote: @DoYouHas
On September 04 2012 08:22 DoYouHas wrote: slOosh, my vote is neither stupid nor a throwaway. I have a friend who I consider a better player than me who has told me that getting BM out of the game quickly is always a good thing. It is meta as hell but it isn't stupid.
Toad's aggression towards you is completely null. You seem to be playing into your town meta so far, but I really won't know for sure until your first/second case.
Who is this friend who told you to always kill Bill murray?
Yes, an old post but I don´t think it was answered.
He did answer. L. L doesn't feel that way anymore in reality; he's just trolling around with this poor guy, but he got replaced, so why does it matter now? Forumite why are you so scummyyyy
No luck then. I had a hunch that it might have been a scumslip. I thought DYH heard a policy in the scum-QT, said it in the thread but couldn´t say in the thread where he heard it because it would have made himself and his scumbuddy look bad.
he may have i have a scumread on DYH and him getting replaced doesn't help
to my naysayers, try to get a wagon on me going, it will only help me see who is scum
"No idea why BM wants to lynch me. Then again I have no idea why BM does anything he does. I'm sure he will enlighten us all later but until then I'm just going to ignore that. "
i really don't want to lynch either of you, and i plan on voting DYH's replacement, or you know... having like 3-4 scum suspects and voting one after a thorough read of this game
FURTHERMORE, AS I HAVE DEMONSTRATED, I CALLED AUSTIN BEING A VIG BEFORE HE DIED BEFORE N1 AND HE DIDNT DIE N1 AND I WOULD HAVE DEMANDED AT LEAST 1 KILL OUT OF THE SCUM KILLS AND HE WAS MY ONLY BLUE READ SO.
On September 12 2012 22:19 Bill Murray wrote: fuck you darthpunk im clear town, as i would have killed austinmc n1 if i was mafia PERIOD
You do realise that argument proves nothing right? You are far from clear anything. I gave you and your rep the benefit of the doubt but it has become exceedingly clear that you are a liability if you are scum, and you are a liability if you are town.
If you are truly town. Why did you did you not fight against the BKE and Forumite lynches that you so vehemently opposed rather than waiting till they were a done deal.? Oh wait. YOU VOTED FOR FORUMITE! Your word no longer means anything. You are impossible to read and your contributions are deliberately difficult to understand.
I would rather have you vig'd than waste a lynch on you.
Sorry if this is somehow offensive. But you have got to go.
I did say I'd not like to lynch forumite BEFORE HIS WAGON STARTED way to read less than me you obtuse twit
On September 12 2012 12:00 Bill Murray wrote: i really didnt want to lynch forumite. PERIOD.
Then why did you vote for him?
um... name another candidate at the time of my voting? no? yeah.
Not good enough.
im the most confirmed person here if i was mafia, i would be much more active than i am right now however, i dont give two shits, because we're in a good position as a town
i'm not active because my town credit is good enough via me DIRECTING THE MAFIA IF I WAS MAFIA to where, I CALLED OUT AUSTIN AS VIG ON D1... AND GUESS WHAT... HE FLIPPED VIG DAYS LATER.
Furthermore, if you'd isolate me in any game i'm mafia, and then in this one, you'd see I actually had a few posts this game that are lengthier than I typically make as mafia
On September 12 2012 22:35 Kreb wrote: Is there any chance we could get a comment from Toad before its time for night kills? If not it might be good idea for doctors/jailkeepers to move their protection around to people who seem to be more similiar to what hapa/austin was. I imagine theres been quite a few people protecting Toad so far, and that could be up for discussion.
Also note: Im not suspicious of him (well, not more than the paranioa he pretty much asked for us to have regarding him :p), but since he was took the biggest part in the mislynch, it would be nice to know what he has to say about it and what he wants the next move to be. Theres already been two people throwing suspicions his way (Forumite, Grush).
Just because he led a mislynch doesn't make him less town. Town players are perfectly capable of being wrong. If we start suspecting everyone who pushes a mislynch we won't have anyone pushing lynches at all.
Of course.
But given the fact that he pretty much told us we should be paranoid as fuck about him (which I very much am) due to how supposedly good he was as mafia, I at least think we could demand a comment. As I said Im not suspicious, Im just paranoid. I trusted him for this lynch, that trust took a bit of a hit. Im wondering if I should renew the trust or not.
hey am back, haven't read a thing yet and yeah I agree with what you "proposed" although it's for a different reason. Only got like half an hour time until I've got to leave again but I'll have time later on (like 4 hours prior to deadline) to post something.
However reasoning for medics considering me: I don't think medics / Jailers should be protecting me as well. Right now there's pretty much no way mafia is going to shoot me because people are getting paranoid about me. Mafia are probably not going to shoot me because they want that paranoia. Yeah I could be saying that as mafia as well giving an explanation why I survived yet another night but it really works both ways. For all I care, if you're paranoid just track me if you think I'm mafia and frankly I'd actually say that already happened given my "most people are afraid about me" post either n1 or n2 anyways. Of course if you're a tracker it's up to you when you want to track me because if I was mafia I could just tell people to track me and be the guy who's not delivering a KP (assuming more than 2 mafia alive). So waiting until we've got rid of another mafia might be the way to go for trackers, but it's up to you, I've got nothing to hide :p
Cool.
On topic of tracking and watching, whats your opinion there?
Personally I feel tracking and watching should be pretty well spent on lurkers/low profile players. If you were mafia theres no way you'd be carrying out the kills. A watcher believing you to be town might have a good reason to. Catching your killer would be great should you go down tonight. But other than that option, I'd say watch/track low profile players, the information could be very important later in the game when where down to 8-10 players.
Why? Because you're not low profile, and you don't want tracked?
As per watching, no, that is terrible. if there are any watchers, DEFINITELY watch people who will be targetted.
As per tracking, it can be beneficial depending on how the kill system works (whether or not they have to send a name in, or if it's random) because if they can protect good players, then I'd agree with you.
when i say "protect good players" i mean say me and toad are scum together if scum are 50% toad, then no... track good players if scum are 100% sending in me (which they would, in this case, because you all are don't understand mafia) then I agree but only on tracking, not on watching, in which case you are wrong
On September 12 2012 22:35 Kreb wrote: Is there any chance we could get a comment from Toad before its time for night kills? If not it might be good idea for doctors/jailkeepers to move their protection around to people who seem to be more similiar to what hapa/austin was. I imagine theres been quite a few people protecting Toad so far, and that could be up for discussion.
Also note: Im not suspicious of him (well, not more than the paranioa he pretty much asked for us to have regarding him :p), but since he was took the biggest part in the mislynch, it would be nice to know what he has to say about it and what he wants the next move to be. Theres already been two people throwing suspicions his way (Forumite, Grush).
Just because he led a mislynch doesn't make him less town. Town players are perfectly capable of being wrong. If we start suspecting everyone who pushes a mislynch we won't have anyone pushing lynches at all.
Of course.
But given the fact that he pretty much told us we should be paranoid as fuck about him (which I very much am) due to how supposedly good he was as mafia, I at least think we could demand a comment. As I said Im not suspicious, Im just paranoid. I trusted him for this lynch, that trust took a bit of a hit. Im wondering if I should renew the trust or not.
hey am back, haven't read a thing yet and yeah I agree with what you "proposed" although it's for a different reason. Only got like half an hour time until I've got to leave again but I'll have time later on (like 4 hours prior to deadline) to post something.
However reasoning for medics considering me: I don't think medics / Jailers should be protecting me as well. Right now there's pretty much no way mafia is going to shoot me because people are getting paranoid about me. Mafia are probably not going to shoot me because they want that paranoia. Yeah I could be saying that as mafia as well giving an explanation why I survived yet another night but it really works both ways. For all I care, if you're paranoid just track me if you think I'm mafia and frankly I'd actually say that already happened given my "most people are afraid about me" post either n1 or n2 anyways. Of course if you're a tracker it's up to you when you want to track me because if I was mafia I could just tell people to track me and be the guy who's not delivering a KP (assuming more than 2 mafia alive). So waiting until we've got rid of another mafia might be the way to go for trackers, but it's up to you, I've got nothing to hide :p
Cool.
On topic of tracking and watching, whats your opinion there?
Personally I feel tracking and watching should be pretty well spent on lurkers/low profile players. If you were mafia theres no way you'd be carrying out the kills. A watcher believing you to be town might have a good reason to. Catching your killer would be great should you go down tonight. But other than that option, I'd say watch/track low profile players, the information could be very important later in the game when where down to 8-10 players.
Why? Because you're not low profile, and you don't want tracked?
As per watching, no, that is terrible. if there are any watchers, DEFINITELY watch people who will be targetted.
As per tracking, it can be beneficial depending on how the kill system works (whether or not they have to send a name in, or if it's random) because if they can protect good players, then I'd agree with you.
Yea that was a stupid post by me, agreed. As for myself, Im probably not low profile enough to be a likely good tracking target I wouldnt say, no. If you disagree, feel free to track me. Only watch me Im you think I might get killed.
Hmmm, I was sure mafia had to send in names on who killed who. Maybe I shouldnt have taken that for granted...
HE JUST SAID "FEEL FREE TO TRACK ME" TO ME ... he's rolefishing FoS Kreb + he called for a vig, but told me to track him... he's def. maf
On September 12 2012 22:19 Bill Murray wrote: fuck you darthpunk im clear town, as i would have killed austinmc n1 if i was mafia PERIOD
You do realise that argument proves nothing right? You are far from clear anything. I gave you and your rep the benefit of the doubt but it has become exceedingly clear that you are a liability if you are scum, and you are a liability if you are town.
If you are truly town. Why did you did you not fight against the BKE and Forumite lynches that you so vehemently opposed rather than waiting till they were a done deal.? Oh wait. YOU VOTED FOR FORUMITE! Your word no longer means anything. You are impossible to read and your contributions are deliberately difficult to understand.
I would rather have you vig'd than waste a lynch on you.
Sorry if this is somehow offensive. But you have got to go.
I did say I'd not like to lynch forumite BEFORE HIS WAGON STARTED way to read less than me you obtuse twit
So you SAY you didn't want to lynch him and then vote for him anyway. And then when the person you voted for flips green you attempt to gain some sort of town cred or something by telling everyone who is stupid enough to listen that you never wanted to vote for him in the first place?
The fact that you stated that you didn't want to lynch forumite is irrelevant. The fact that you may/may not have thought Austin was blue is Irrelevent. Your defense consists of distraction and obfuscation. It doesn't do anything to change my mind and just steels my resolve.
I DON'T NEED TO GAIN TOWN CRED
IM ALREADY CONFIRMED TOWN VIA ME NOT CALLING MAFIA KILLS (WHICH I WOULD BE AS MAFIA)
On September 13 2012 15:04 DarthPunk wrote: Shady WTF is with that ninja vote. And not only that but sheeping the first case of the day, without adding anything to it even though the case is well established it is pretty weak. This game is so far removed from the games I have played/obs'd with you it's like you are in a different universe. It's just not how you play. If you are town. Please try and conform to your town meta. Not only will that alleviate my aching suspicion of you right now but that is the exact voice we need.
Until I see something different from you I am going to lay a huge FoS Shady Sands on you. I am going to look at grushes filter and at those accusing grush. Austin was sure he was town. and the swiftness of those first few votes concerns me.
On September 13 2012 15:04 DarthPunk wrote: Shady WTF is with that ninja vote. And not only that but sheeping the first case of the day, without adding anything to it even though the case is well established it is pretty weak. This game is so far removed from the games I have played/obs'd with you it's like you are in a different universe. It's just not how you play. If you are town. Please try and conform to your town meta. Not only will that alleviate my aching suspicion of you right now but that is the exact voice we need.
Until I see something different from you I am going to lay a huge FoS Shady Sands on you. I am going to look at grushes filter and at those accusing grush. Austin was sure he was town. and the swiftness of those first few votes concerns me.
if you vote shady, i will gladly join you
Which makes me less inclined to vote shady at all. How are you confirmed town again? Oh wait you aren't despite your load assertions that you are. I am more willing to lynch you instead.
On September 13 2012 17:10 DarthPunk wrote: Wait. Ninja Vote by BM also. Sheeping Mav instantly no explanation in the thread. Not posting a courtesy vote in the thread. So why BM, would you want to vote for shady for doing something which you are also doing? You are incredibly frustrating.
Who said your reasons are mine? I've been wanting to lynch Shady Sands since the first cycle I WAS THE FIRST PERSON IN THE GAME TO VOTE HIM god, you guys are idiots
Speaking of my vote on Krebs, it was because Kreb's "case" on my as his #2 is flimsy as shit. That's why I said Gravan is town at the bottom of 96, as well, because he wouldn't put a scumbuddy @ the top of his list. DarthPunk's vote on my confirms he is Kreb's buddy to me, and I'm sure you all could feel a lot better about lynching DarthPunk than Krebs. Krebs reasoning on me is that I'm a troll, and he "feels" I'm a "scumtroll". The fuck? Fuck that. He has no case, it feels fake, and he is scum.
On September 13 2012 19:37 Toadesstern wrote: Oh I also don't think there's a medic. Should have probably told you about that earlier considering Z-bosons entire plan was based on being saved by the medic. Didn't think about that in time
Wait what? There has to be a medic. BKE said that he saw only GK on BC no double stack. So that means we are missing 1 KP from that night.
WOW BLUE SPECULATION totally a mafia mindset from darthpunk
Also, Mementoss is where my vote is going to go. DYH was my first suspect, and Mementoss, since coming into the game, has a WHOPPING 3 POSTS. One says "hi", the 2nd is griefing/disruptive, and the 3rd is an excuse.
Why not respond to any of my points? the guy has 3 posts since he replaced in days upon days ago, one of them is one word, and the most recent is an excuse to be lurking.
Rewok is scum He admits I'm town He has been posting JUST ENOUGH to not get modkilled Openly sheeping Toad... makes me FoS Toad if Rewok flips red
On September 11 2012 04:07 Rewok wrote: I've been wrong every time I voted on my own instinct and right the time I followed Toade so my vote is for Forumite.
##vote: Forumite
His last post before that comes on September 8th If he wasn't scum, he wouldn't be coasting this hard
On September 14 2012 13:00 slOosh wrote: For Rewok it's looking a lot like Graven. It's his first game and he does show uncertainty at the earlier stages. My feeling is that he is overwhelmed by the unnatural amount of things in this game (flipping scum N1, getting multiple washout mislynches , people like Grush and BM getting ignored) that he has just given up and fallen back on sheeping, which is a very understandable thing for a lost townie to do.
SnB and Toad are not as easily excused as they have many games under their belt and are capable of so much more, and yet are completely apathetic and are not contributing to finding and lynching scum.
How am I getting ignored, when you even talking about Rewok to Sloosh comes from MY case on him?
It's at the point that we need to lynch someone like Rewok, but only if he's actively lurking, which, at this point, we may waste our lynch on... considering he's going to be modkilled if he doesn't post
I really don't mind the Gravan wagon. I've got to say, believe it or not, I feel, even if he was just down on one of my lists, I was one of the first people to call him out. You have to admit, that even without reading the thread directly 100 pages straight, that I've been scumhunting in isolation, which is more than most
I'll gladly isolate someone at random, and critique whether or not I feel they are town or mafia
As for ACTIVE players, I'd like to lynch Kreb. He flip flopped saying I'm town, then went to wanting to lynch me and grush... over our PLAYSTYLE? Seems like scum pushing policy as opposed to having any semblance of logic. He also wants to lynch Gravan, who, while I suspected early is still primarily a policy lynch... but days after it should have occurred, if it was going to. It just seems like he's sheeping the reads he picks up on in the thread on townies/Power Roles. in Kreb's scumhunting case, you don't see him focus on 1 candidate as a town role would, but rather highlight players black like scum would, as per hunting assassins. He does put players like myself and Gravan in red.
Another point is his interaction with Austin. He was getting information off Austin in response to his read on me (which he flipflopped on in 10 minutes? get real), and Toad. It just feels really fishy. Sometimes, words fall short. Would love to lynch Kreb
Players like Grav/Rewok (who I was voting - and is probably ACTUALLY a scum lurker... idiot) are completely different as per lurker meta. Some lurkers are town and blue (like grav is) whereas Rewok is scum lurker (likely power role like scum vig/assassin)
I wish we could get a read on Mementoss, after I iso'ed him... OH WAIT, he was actively lurking, and spazzed. I mean, I had to actually go to Mementoss's page to iso him... he's not bolded on the player list w/e, he's Blue or Scum. I guess he could be an assassin, if they're in the game.
My original suspicion of MiltonKram, coupled with Kreb's flipflop in his reads, and pushing policy lynches? Scum. Active scum, too, who is worried about his town image. However, I'm not going to do this:
##VOTE: KREBS
[/QUOTE] j00 wanna know why, yiddle goil? Come here, an' let Uncle Bill tell you story. You see, back in Old Country, man once say "it's not what you know, it's how many you can get drink Vodka with you"
LOL @ SS reaction to me saying Grav is blue SS Knows I'm good at picking blues (with the vigilante callout on Austin) so he is trying to use me to decipher who he should nightkill. SS is totally scum. Nice rolefishing.
Rolefishing, + pushing my posts off the page ... I snagged the top post of the page for town, though, so it's all good. Plus I got a little humor out of it with that Krebs-vote-psycheout.
HEre is someone I've been wanting to lynch all game: ShadySands. I've voted him multiple times, it feels like, and he is completely, and obtusely against any semblance of confirmation. He has spoken out against me... BUT ASKS WHY I THINK GRAVAN IS BLUE... RESPECTING ME... and he has spoken out against Toad, who appears town to me.
his buddies are Darth Punk, Sloosh, Krebs ##Vote: Shady Sands
Forgot Gravan voted him. That makes two votes on SS, who is going to be flipping red, and bleeding it on our shoes, after we guillotine his neck into tiny little bits.
viva le resistance! down with the mafia! all my men, come together! around me!
ShadySands, you're spamming even more than me, so don't tell me to shape up my posting The difference is I called you out on it first, so you're parroting. Add that to flipflopping, plus your spam being strategical in natural (whereas mine is meta as town), and you're facing a solid case
On September 14 2012 20:25 Bill Murray wrote: LOL @ SS reaction to me saying Grav is blue SS Knows I'm good at picking blues (with the vigilante callout on Austin) so he is trying to use me to decipher who he should nightkill. SS is totally scum. Nice rolefishing.
Rolefishing, + pushing my posts off the page ... I snagged the top post of the page for town, though, so it's all good. Plus I got a little humor out of it with that Krebs-vote-psycheout.
HEre is someone I've been wanting to lynch all game: ShadySands. I've voted him multiple times, it feels like, and he is completely, and obtusely against any semblance of confirmation. He has spoken out against me... BUT ASKS WHY I THINK GRAVAN IS BLUE... RESPECTING ME... and he has spoken out against Toad, who appears town to me.
his buddies are Darth Punk, Sloosh, Krebs ##Vote: Shady Sands
First off, I don't know you're good at picking blues. I've never played with you. Second, how does me asking you why you think Grav is blue relate to whether I would shoot him if I was scum? Wouldn't I just be interested in knowing that Grav was blue, without wondering why you thought of him as scum?
So I ask again. Why do you think Grav is blue? I don't want to do a BKE mislynch, of course, but right now nothing he's done suggests to me he is a blue.
Instead, how about you spend some of your time looking at Grav, and seeing how you can construe his actions as anything but scummy?
My only answer is, as town ... which I guess there is a farfetched chance you are... you need to not rolefish. It makes you look like scum, which is why my vote is on you. I haven't felt this strongly about a vote since I was voting Mattchew for slipping.
you mean your rolefishing, one of my 3-4 reasons for voting you? like where you failed the reaction by posting that? i don't know he's blue. I was seeing if you would rolefish. you did. get over it.
On September 14 2012 21:28 Bill Murray wrote: you mean your rolefishing, one of my 3-4 reasons for voting you? like where you failed the reaction by posting that? i don't know he's blue. I was seeing if you would rolefish. you did. get over it.
You're dodging my question. You said Gravan was town and blue. So:
Why do you think Gravan is blue? AKA Why do you think he is not town?
^he just megaslipped here he's scum and bluefishing. he just said "blue" means "not town" LOL
On September 14 2012 21:28 Bill Murray wrote: you mean your rolefishing, one of my 3-4 reasons for voting you? like where you failed the reaction by posting that? i don't know he's blue. I was seeing if you would rolefish. you did. get over it.
You're dodging my question. You said Gravan was town and blue. So:
Why do you think Gravan is blue? AKA Why do you think he is not town?
Did you just say
Why do you think he is not town?
You said blue... "gravan is blue?" into
Why do you think he is not town?
really...
Why do you think he is not town?
Really?
Mattchew 2.0, except this time it is subconsciously a slip on his part, as opposed to Mattchew derping
at this point, from your alls perspective
A.) BM is trolling 1. that's what scum want you to believe a. because it is a case from town b. because it is a case on scum 2. I don't troll, so cross out A. on your list/self-meta a. self meta is unreliable? . it is a player to player basis . my self meta is reliable B.)BM caught/forced Shady Sands to slip *please pick me!!* C.) BM is bussing ShadySands 1. I don't bus a. see 2. a. 2. If I was to bus, I would pick someone less active/with a bad thread image a. Shady Sands actually has a good thread image b. Shady Sands is active
However, logically, this should prove I am not trolling, and that I honestly feel he not only failed my reaction test, but then slipped in deciphering blue = not town to him, and in his mind he's trying to act town, so thus his logical flaw of "im mafia... im not town" versus his in thread of "i'm town, u guise" clashed into this atrocity of him saying blue=not town.
On September 14 2012 21:28 Bill Murray wrote: you mean your rolefishing, one of my 3-4 reasons for voting you? like where you failed the reaction by posting that? i don't know he's blue. I was seeing if you would rolefish. you did. get over it.
You're dodging my question. You said Gravan was town and blue. So:
Why do you think Gravan is blue? AKA Why do you think he is not town?
^he just megaslipped here he's scum and bluefishing. he just said "blue" means "not town" LOL
How is this bluefishing? You said he was blue. I am asking you why you think he is blue.
also, great job picking up on a typo. Obviously "blue" should mean "not scum".
how is this bluefishing? You answered: you were asking me why I think he is blue... LOL a typo, you say? so you're admitting you slipped... good. Oh, wait, you're making EXCUSES. FRY.
He could easily be scum at this point, and me still think you slipped. I'm leaning on him, actually, which is why I don't mind if he gets lynched at all (better if Rewok is going to be modkilled than a Rewok wagon) I just feel he has a role as opposed to being townie (see: mementoss's reaction)
On September 14 2012 22:25 Toadesstern wrote: just a random mention: I'm not going to be around at deadline today and I'm going to miss quite some time as I'm going to leave 6 hours prior to deadline and won't be back in time.
So if there's someone having a fancy plan spill it out, I don't have all day and will keep my vote on Gravan unless something happens.
I retract. but he still slipped. and was bluefishing
and flipflopped
so vote him if you think i'm town... gravan voted him ages ago... makes me question my earlier scum read on him slightly plus he hasnt been looking as bad
On September 14 2012 22:46 Bill Murray wrote: It is a reaction test. Gravan is possibly blue, and is so in 33% of the scenarios I can think of However, you are 100% scum, Shady Sands
You said Gravan was town and blue, no ifs, ands, or buts about it. No possibly, nothing like that.
So the question is: why do we not lynch Gravan?
I was reaction testing you in relation to the two lurkers you failed youre scum
ANOTHER PLAYER WHO LOOKS SCUMMY: hopeless1der he has been generally inactive, only to sheep onto wagons. Most of his longer posts are nightkill analysis, as opposed to scumhunting
On September 15 2012 07:19 slOosh wrote: No hard feelings snb. Now to make a list to lynch into and win the game.
That's kinda funny.
been sayin sloosh + darthpunk + shady sands i guess there were 6 (i always felt bc was wrong to chastise ottoxlol on it being 5) if anything, that should have cleared ottoxlol if people felt he was being genuine, which he was
anyways, yeah, so there are the last 3 scum, and 2 of them have slipped sloosh i'm disappointed in you LOL nice slip though *nudge, nudge*
On September 15 2012 08:29 Kreb wrote: For now I have to agree on Toad with his continous attempts to paint S&B as an assassin does not look very well for him. If so, that makes his Z-Boson night kill rather ballsy, I guess he called the bluff.
Scum has been pushing ballsy play all game long (Mattchew).
Anyhow: If we are to believe Toad, then a townie vig somehow sniped GK.
Hence my vote is going to stick on Toad unless a townie vig comes forward and claims for the GK nightkill. (Needless to say don't claim until after the Daypost.)
Translation: He's willing to put everything on a coinflip. If Austin was the vig who shot GK and a mafia-vig (or another town vig) shot Ottox he is going to vote me because there's no (possible) claim. If Austin wasn't the vig who shot GK he's willing to think about not voting me.
On September 08 2012 23:15 Toadesstern wrote: Supposedly mafia only used 1KP yesterday. BC got killed by suicidebomber. I hiiiiighly doubt ottox was a mafiahit and think he was hit by town, which leaves us with DrH. But According to BKE only one guy visited him and he did not get doublestacked. Neither do we have a claim from someone else who got protected or shot n1. So one shot is missing
This. GK as suicide bomber could still deliver a kill. And if you're scum and you lose mattchew D1, you're suiciding GK N1, you're 100% gonna use him as a shooter because he can't get caught delivering a kill, he's gonna be dead.
We're basically narrowed down to BM24 being double stacked and BKE lying OR BM24 single shot, BKE watcher, and a medic save.
Unless mafia shot Ottoxlol, which seems...unlikely.
On September 08 2012 23:29 Shady Sands wrote: Other than BKE, my other main read is GRush. It starts here:
On September 06 2012 07:50 grush57 wrote: K. Medics on Toad and BC and BM. Vigi kill in the pool of scummy people/ scummylurkers. Ex: Ottox, Maverick, Do you has.
This comes before GK suicide bombs into BC/BM. To me it almost sounds like he was trying to draw a blue into the bombing.
I'm pretty sure Grush wasn't the only one doing that. Toad did it at one point (or multiple points), everyone and their mother discussed vigi shots on half the town. Morning laziness means I'm not finding those quotes for you, but I'm almost certain there were a decent number of similar posts, but less concise.
Bolded for emphasis. I'm almost willing to consider that a soft-claim for the Ottox NK. It's something other people in the thread also picked up on.
SS would know mafia didn't use a kill on ottoxlol, too, which he is confirming... scum confirmation that I am right? priceless!
On September 14 2012 12:14 slOosh wrote: Guhh ... why do you guys wait until now to play properly?
What Maverick did just now was a very very town thing. Feigning activity and making cases is easy. Calling the runner up lynch candidate town when you have the most votes is not. The only motivation to do that is that you are town, and you think this person is town. You can see that he doesn't value his specific survival over the town's interests. His case really shows his thinking process and also clarifies past contradictions (e.g. he left out Graven from his scum reads) - consistency like this is hard to setup as scum.
Gravan ... it's really weird with him. As Maverick points out he is playing consistently (regardless of quality). I remember thinking he was newbie town making lots of mistakes, and it could be he is scummy because of this. Also strange is the nature of the maverick counter wagon. Still thinking this one through.
ShiaoPi: his treatment of Mav is townish. Timezones are timezones. Select stuff in his filter make me think he is town and explain his actions but will not divulge unless there is a large enough body of evidence against him. This leaves me with two people: SnB has not cared at all about the past two lynches. You can see from his filter that he jumps on the Forumite lynch with little to contribute while also discrediting Rewok. He jumps on the maverick lynch with little to add and also makes sure people know that everyone could be scum ("MMT made the case on Mav but you never know maybe he is scum"). His latest posts are pure setup speculation. He treats Toad very strangely - I'm not sure if he thinks Toad might be scum and hunting for reactions or he is pretending to engage in meaningful conversation.
Toad is someone who has flared up upon a proper reread of the Z-Boson mad hatter business. I originally thought him town after our little spat at the start of the game. However if you reread his filter carefully, you will notice that he uses "vet balance" to get Forumite lynched, but after that he says "oh I guess I was wrong, oh well". He seemed to taunt Z-boson near deadline and called for vig shots on him even if he was town because he would die anyway. I know I said mafia wouldn't kill a potential mad hatter but I forgot that there is a very good chance of a roleblocker in the game, as we still don't know about austin's 2nd shot. I find the explanations for his dismissal of SnB and BM to be beyond just strange, as he is ignoring possible scum on raw setup speculation.
On September 14 2012 20:13 Shady Sands wrote: These are my top lynch candidates at the moment:
Gravan Maverick
I also have a strong townread on SnB, and my previous townread on sloosh is slipping into null territory after his weak list above.
Yea I dunno how you gonna backtrack on this one Shady. "weak list" you say? It's not something you can really respond to that well, so here's the followup question.
On September 15 2012 08:06 Shady Sands wrote: Since I thought at the time that Gravan was scum, anyone who came out before a lynch was inevitable on Gravan and made noises about lynching him earned town points in my book. Now that S&B has flipped scum, I retract that and I think Gravan is just a bad town who other scum tried to latch upon. Grav's behavior, in particular, over the past few hours has been very townie and returns my read on him to null.
Can you point out said posts, and how they are "very townie", and only return him to null? Cause I think you're bluffing. And scum. And tomorrow's lynch.
your post is parroting something toad brought up which you bring up as your own point which is reaalllyyyy scummy couple that with the language "you're going to have trouble getting out of this" which is more like "sorry, but i have to bus you potentially" yeah.
Toad's thread-cred is way higher than yours, not that it is higher than mine, except to scum-idiots like you/sloosh, and town-idiots like krebs
On September 17 2012 13:27 DarthPunk wrote: Hi I am finally back. My ex and I just went through the final stages of a long and messy breakup and that is why I was absent from the thread. I am going to read through from where I left off. (my vote on gravan) and try and catch up. I have skimmed the thread and read the night and day posts. But that is about it.
I feel like imallinson is more likely to be town, but I haven't gotten around to reading your claim. Perhaps it'd be a great time since, after my vote, and grush OPPOSING my bandwagon (go figure, I've had a scum lean on him all game)... not only opposing, but trying to cast doubt on me WHILE GETTING IMALLINSON'S NAME WRONG... shows he isnt reading whatsoever, nor does he play poker :p
He is very easily scum with DP DP's reaction towards me all game is something I see from scum They will cast doubt and just state facts without analyzing as I have done with grush... notice how I've given reasoning? DarthPunk has no substance to his WALLPOSTS, even.
On September 19 2012 21:55 ShiaoPi wrote: CAUTION INCOMING WIFOM: you jumping in front of imallinson makes me think that he is the roleblocker and you are a goon Naaah as long as grush and BM are not here to discuss with me I won't do jack
This doesn't matter. If I flip red You just lynch Allison. Seriously you are thick.
On September 20 2012 04:39 grush57 wrote: ##Vote: imallison
In fact, I think I may have found something
THEY'RE BOTH CALLING HIM ALLISON
I know it's I'm all in, son I'm guessing in their scum QT they've been getting his name wrong
On September 19 2012 13:43 DarthPunk wrote: So. I have solved that game. BillMurray and Grush have to be scum.
Shiao Pi Has a claim that I believe. The fact that his claim was not to save himself or for personal gain makes it all the more credible. He counter claimed Toad who was fake claiming. Shiao Pi is TOWN
Allison. I was worried about Allison as I had not really paid attention to her. But a few things convinced me of Her alignment.
- Grush shoved Me and allison into a scum team. I am not scum. And both Gravan and BM have pushed for me to be lynched. If gravan Is pushing allison as the other scum then it is likely she is town.
- I looked over her filter. Standard lurker fare. HOWEVER. She switched onto S&B when votes were 6-4 causing them to be 5-5 If she had not switched. S&B would not have been lynched. It is apparent to me that the sudden shift onto S&B was so swift that it took BM and Grush By surprise. I don't not think he was bussed. Therefore Imallison is TOWN.
By process of elimination BillMurray and Grush have to be scum.
Allison and Shiao please vote for BM or grush.
GG.
"took me by surprise" lumping me in with grush? First off, I wasn't here Second off, I was the only person standing up to the current lynch WHICH LEAD to the S&B lynch of course, I was pushing someone like Shady Sands, but whatever. If we were going to be mislynching... which I know now... why would I shift to a different mislynch? Makes no sense as scum.
On September 19 2012 13:50 ShiaoPi wrote: also grush looks more like his towntroll-version, imo. bm would be worth a consideration but i feel better about allinson right now. cant do more heavy analysis since i am on my phone in class atm
I explained in my Post. I am happy with A BM Lynch also. I really don't see how you could be convinced that grush is town if you read his filter. If Allison is scum Then BM must be scum. Because I doubt scum Grush would bus allison at this point. If grush is scum BM is scum. If Allison is scum BM is scum. either way BM IS SCUM. I still think grush and BM are it though.
OK? How am I scum with any of them? Like I said, you have 0 substance, 0 reasoning, and 0 skill
On September 19 2012 13:50 ShiaoPi wrote: also grush looks more like his towntroll-version, imo. bm would be worth a consideration but i feel better about allinson right now. cant do more heavy analysis since i am on my phone in class atm
I explained in my Post. I am happy with A BM Lynch also. I really don't see how you could be convinced that grush is town if you read his filter. If Allison is scum Then BM must be scum. Because I doubt scum Grush would bus allison at this point. If grush is scum BM is scum. If Allison is scum BM is scum. either way BM IS SCUM. I still think grush and BM are it though.
its based on meta. hard to explain, but he does not feel like th TLVI in which he was scum. why does BM has to be scum if allinson is? Where do you see the connection? or just elimination?
Because Grush Lumped Allison and I as scum together. If allison is scum would grush have bussed her? It is elimination. If Allison is, Grush isn't and therefore BM is.
You don't read deductively in mafia, unless you can PROACTIVELY claim townreads, which you aren't you're grasping at straws because I've been pushing you all game
On September 19 2012 14:27 DarthPunk wrote: Meh Nothing in Allisons filter. I think my reasoning is pretty solid though. ATM I want to lynch BM because I can't see any scum team that does not include him.
Leaning towards.
BM Allison OR BM Grush.
OK, you said this, and like *I'VE* said it is largely an OMGUS with no substantial basis in reality, and you have 0 reasoning
On September 19 2012 14:35 ShiaoPi wrote: I'll be posting again later. Just for the record I'd rather lynch allinson today. out for now
OK I am definately up for it. BUT I would like to see some sort of a case. Rather than 'I would rather lynch her. '
YOU'RE A hypocrite.
On September 19 2012 20:39 DarthPunk wrote: Also Shiao. You are giving BM and grush a free ride. read their incredibly scummy filters FFS. If one of them is not scum I will quit Mafia forever.
Yeah. We lose. Fucking Knew this would happen. All game I say 'Lynch BM and Grush they are scummy as fuck and major liability at LYLO.' Get to LYLO. Lose by the very fact of their existence.
If one of us isn't scum you'll quit mafia? Seeing as this is the best game ever, you just LET ME KNOW that Grush is your buddy. I was looking for a reaction from you on that, and then I saw you were both omitting the n from his name
ShiaoPi, you are terrible at making wall posts. Your "case" on them was really reaching, but in the end, it looks like you're right. Hats off.
Oh, wait, you wanted ImAllinSon... hmmm... cute. You're actually quite bad. Sucks you're our tracker, unless you're trying to get nightkilled.
Let me explain this situation to you guys: You all aren't going to vote DP Now. I can see that. It sucks, because he is slightly more intelligent than Grush, who is probably... well, nevermind. Anyways, I can see Grush getting lynched today, whereas I can't see DP.
I am 100% Sure DP is scum in my mind... well, at least 97%, because I hate to be wrong/lie DP said Either I or Grush are scum, and I vibed that in skimming previously when he was posting this/that scumteams Upon Further Reading, him saying "if one or two aren't scum, I'm quitting mafia forever" <- first off that is AGAINST THE RULES in that you aren't supposed to say "ill give you 5 bucks to lynch so and so" or "ill bake you a cake if they're not scum" it's gambling versus alignment, and I really feel it takes away from play. however, this is the scum version of that, because he is leaving himself wiggle room with the knowledge he has
I personally, via my sad, sad, level of knowledge, know *I* am not scum I'm a townie Grush, then, has to be scum if DP is, unless DP wants to quit mafia forever, which I am going to hold him to or always vote him for being a liar.
very interesting i was wrong about imallinson... darthpunk has been getting his name wrong... don't think he'd do that with is buddy... but so has grush
that means shiaopi is scum and there is no tracker like i expected
On September 21 2012 10:16 ShiaoPi wrote: why BM if DP is much more likely to be scum? Besides the derpfest he did earlier nothing screams scum as much as DPs responses did.
BM is scum dude. I am voting for him in the next cycle. Every connection theory you had about me soft defending Allison BM is also guilty of. You are just obssessed with the idea of me being scum.
On another note. I would like to apologise for my behaviour in the last couple of days. It is a product of frustration. But it was unacceptable. And I am sorry for that. I am not getting into a protracted discussion with you again because I will doubtless get incredibly frustrated at your inability to see the truth. I will Vote BM. He is Scum.
Listen, bub, if you're town you need to shut the fuck up and listen to me.
On September 19 2012 20:39 DarthPunk wrote: Also Shiao. You are giving BM and grush a free ride. read their incredibly scummy filters FFS. If one of them is not scum I will quit Mafia forever.
Yeah. We lose. Fucking Knew this would happen. All game I say 'Lynch BM and Grush they are scummy as fuck and major liability at LYLO.' Get to LYLO. Lose by the very fact of their existence.
"If one of them is not scum I will quit Mafia forever. " This statement took balls to make either you're lying, and you know we're both not scum, or it's 50:50 for you here, because I know I'm not hope you break your word, mafia is really fun
On September 13 2012 22:31 Bill Murray wrote: Why not respond to any of my points? the guy has 3 posts since he replaced in days upon days ago, one of them is one word, and the most recent is an excuse to be lurking.
Why not Gravan is my question. I have a scumread on MMToss too, but he can wait until tomorrow. Why not Gravan is my question today.
Why not MMToss? I am going to read both of their (short) filters again and see what I come up with. Toad. It seems as if you have a town read on BM now? The interplay between you both is going way over my head.
I actually got a townread on him, but it was too late to deter his lynch, so I didn't even say anything
On September 22 2012 17:06 ShiaoPi wrote: night is over since 10h ago....hosts vanished. so bm what makes me scum again?
The more I've analyzed it, you have a believable claim based upon blue counts and such I want the other 2 to claim. I can't see DP claiming. Has he? Let me see if we can no lynch.
On September 19 2012 08:59 ShiaoPi wrote: okay, fuck my reads for now, woke up saw the flips and will now be going to uni. As I got no notice from the hosts I probably got Roleblocked, so no results either, will be back later or via phone for some thoughts
On September 22 2012 17:16 ShiaoPi wrote: DP claimed nothing, grush claimed mad hatter. I claimed tracker. what do you think you can get via DP claiming?
he will be forced to claim blue which will make me clear town
OR he ccs my last vanilla claim, which is 50:50, baby. Couple that with his terrible attitude, and me calling vig d1, yet not commanding the scum kill on a blue snipe? yeah.
im imagining MH would give way too much KP in this game, if I had to make a quick assessment also we lynch the MH and his bombs go off on scum? Im going to read grush really quick (hes all 1 liners, so it will be snappy)
On September 22 2012 10:05 grush57 wrote: Sigh, both DP and BM are/have had their idiotic moments so its a 50/50 between who is scum really. But my bet is still on BM
it is in no way a 50:50 there will be 2 blues left if he doesnt claim green, im clear
On September 21 2012 04:27 grush57 wrote: K just checked its imallinson, that would be pretty awesome catch if we were both scum BM, but I am not scum :D
if you and i were both scum, we would have already won, because i would have sniped the shit out of the vigilante night 1
ShiaoPi, why u no post? Also, I thought I found something, but it just made me realize you have been scumhunting properly, with your earlier suspicion of hopeless. The imallinson "the last two voters on S&B bussed" slip that grush called out looked like I might have an easy vote on someone, even if associative tells can be weak a-la west memphis 3 in reference to the misskelly statement which was obviously berated out of him
On September 22 2012 18:20 ShiaoPi wrote: Uhm... DP the effort you had this game was cases on: Shady, grush, bm, gravan, rewok and a wtf case on Kreb
wow...that takes like....zero effort....(minus the kreb one, but he was so obviously fucking town that it was stupid of you anyway) your entire thread presence has been pretty much close to nil although you got such a large filter. Also you were always part of the bandwagons, with close to zero other contribution
That is bullshit. I actively worked against a BKE lynch. and I didn't vote for Forumite. See. Extreme bias. I also put in far more effort than you did in this game. and contributed far more also. I also pressured mattchew, hapa, z-boson and DYH. But of course you select whatever fits your agenda.
On September 22 2012 22:57 Bill Murray wrote: DP unvote Grush has claimed both MH and Townie You going to let this liar continue? I vote for 24 hour cycle.
I thought I was scum BM? Isn't that why you voted for me instead of your town read allison? And shiao's 'agenda' was to get me lynched no matter the evidence or what I said.
ive had one DEFINITE townread all game, which was austinmcc I know him via meta, and I guessed he was blue Had I been mafia, I would have been calling the shots with the people who have flipped mafia, as I am better than any of them
Grush has been way scummier than me. He hasn't made ANY substantial posts, and most of the responses he has had have been only suspicious of people who have flipped town. He defended Mattchew to BC directly, saying it doesn't 100% make him scum...
On September 04 2012 19:55 Bill Murray wrote: ahhh, man, i just thought I could clear blackmamba and myself via vigilante talk... i just realized MAFIA HAVE A VIG TOO? ASSUMING it's in the game i was looking to see if we had a double lynch, but then i guess i should be just trying to break the setup. it would require people to go out on a limb, and I don't want that yet, so i won't propose any ideas until we have consolidated better
current lynch: Mattchew - Reasoning: Claimed a role he can't possibly know he is... 100% logical - 50% he's trolling? doubtful. Positive chance of lynching mafia. If he was blue, I feel like he would have claimed by now. If not, well, he's not playing to the town, and he's showboating... nobody likes a showboat. Maverick had a bad defense of Mattchew's claim. Now, this wasn't just defending Matt for him to build cred, it was defending a claim that any sane person who was a part of this town would be all over. If he's town, I don't want him in lylo. I urge the vig to take action tonight... maybe even an n-word. This guy could easily be a ninjuitsu. awful. Mafia claiming townie is one thing, but who wants to be in a position of the town we are a part of having to let people off.......?
weigh in on this theory: townies who are found visiting people as nosy neighbors claim tracker?
new FoS presented: Hapahauli. Milton catches him using the word scummy in a way you'd not want to use as town. Admitting something you've done is scummy is one thing, like I did, but the way Hapa used this makes me want to scream scum. His interaction with my 1st suspect Doyouhas is also pretty bad.
Doyouhas looks like he is bussing mattchew to me. He tried to get a quick wagon on a good player (me) who is also a policy lynch (i am... i lurk... play scummy as shit as town... etc) seems like something someone would do with a scum agenda.
Too long, didn't read: FOS Hap, Mav, DYH from thread prefer to lynch Hap tomorrow ... vig on mav as BlackMamba said
On September 04 2012 18:38 goodkarma wrote: So Mattchew is a liar who made an impossible role-claim as scum. This is the easiest scum day one lynch I've seen in a mafia game .
##Vote: Mattchew
But we still should be trying to create a pro-town environment going into day two. Along those lines:
The guiltiest lurkers are listed as follows, in no particular order: Gravan, austinmc, imallinson, Strongandbig, Miltonkram
I look forward to hearing more from these people in particular. That being said, you can expect from me tomorrow afternoon (~12 hours from now) a case writeup highlighting my current scum reads.
Good night all, and congrats on an easy day one .
check my bolded part here This is irrelevant, but it is cute to note he puts a blue, and two of his mafia buddies in the middle of his list The beginning and end of said list were both people I was pressuring at first But then BM24 and I changed our minds on MK and Gravan Why would mafia defend Gravan? Makes no sense.
On September 22 2012 23:19 DarthPunk wrote: You seem really desperate BM. Grush Voted for SCUM you did not. You had a town leaning on Allison and were the only person who did not vote for her.
This is my third ever game. Of course I am unaware of your meta. I gave you the benefit of the doubt at the start. That has now gone. It is LYLO. I am not going to think you are innocent based on your meta only.
you are going to lose this game if you are town, then, but i will gladly crossvote as I called you out way before you ever called me out, and you didnt ever post a case
IN fact, you called me out WITH Grush Also, if I was mafia, I would have killed Grush and just let ShiapPi hammer on you. I would have killed AustinMcc night1. I don't even see how I'm still alive - oh wait, you don't know my meta? So you don't know I'm a veteran? Grush does. That looks really bad on you, honestly.
I'd like to note I kept getting miltonkram and hapahauli mixed up You may ask "BM, why did you iso GoodKarma?" Well, I honestly couldn't remember the last mafia. Would I not be able to remember my scumbuddies as scum? Nope. No men left behind. I also WOULD NOT have used the suicide bomber in that situation, considering.
On September 04 2012 19:55 Bill Murray wrote: ahhh, man, i just thought I could clear blackmamba and myself via vigilante talk... i just realized MAFIA HAVE A VIG TOO? ASSUMING it's in the game i was looking to see if we had a double lynch, but then i guess i should be just trying to break the setup. it would require people to go out on a limb, and I don't want that yet, so i won't propose any ideas until we have consolidated better
current lynch: Mattchew - Reasoning: Claimed a role he can't possibly know he is... 100% logical - 50% he's trolling? doubtful. Positive chance of lynching mafia. If he was blue, I feel like he would have claimed by now. If not, well, he's not playing to the town, and he's showboating... nobody likes a showboat. Maverick had a bad defense of Mattchew's claim. Now, this wasn't just defending Matt for him to build cred, it was defending a claim that any sane person who was a part of this town would be all over. If he's town, I don't want him in lylo. I urge the vig to take action tonight... maybe even an n-word. This guy could easily be a ninjuitsu. awful. Mafia claiming townie is one thing, but who wants to be in a position of the town we are a part of having to let people off.......?
weigh in on this theory: townies who are found visiting people as nosy neighbors claim tracker?
new FoS presented: Hapahauli. Milton catches him using the word scummy in a way you'd not want to use as town. Admitting something you've done is scummy is one thing, like I did, but the way Hapa used this makes me want to scream scum. His interaction with my 1st suspect Doyouhas is also pretty bad.
Doyouhas looks like he is bussing mattchew to me. He tried to get a quick wagon on a good player (me) who is also a policy lynch (i am... i lurk... play scummy as shit as town... etc) seems like something someone would do with a scum agenda.
Too long, didn't read: FOS Hap, Mav, DYH from thread prefer to lynch Hap tomorrow ... vig on mav as BlackMamba said
contrasted with THIS post hmmmmmmmmm
I have no doubt that you have more than enough games by now that you could present your meta in any way that you wish. I do not think you are stupid BM. I think you are very fucking good at this game. Unlike Shiao Pi I do not dismiss you as a troll nor underestimate you. I think that your meta is very carefully crafted and that it serves your interests. I think your play this game has been deliberate and careful in your own way. The only scum you have voted for is Matt. When it didn't matter. You voted for shady instead of S&B which threw your vote away in a very close vote. You DIDN'T VOTE FOR ALLISON. Any other person and this would no longer be a discussion. But you are very good at this game. So now it is.
Anyway.
Who out of Grush and myself do you believe to be scum and why?
I wasn't around for the S&B switch, idiot, but I created it speaking out against Toadesstern Let me find the fucking page
On September 22 2012 23:25 Bill Murray wrote: and we SELECTED the GODFATHER - ME
I CALL ALL THE SHOTS AS SCUM
MY TOWNGAME IS TERRIBLE
BUT MY SCUMGAME??? LOLOLOLOL
Exactly.
no, not exactly i would have been calling the shots as scum which means austin would have died earlier than he did you can obtusely vote me but youre going to be ridiculed by scum as scum or town as town kiss your credibility goodbye for voting me whatsoever all the good players are *********SURELY. really, really impressed with that read
On September 22 2012 23:31 DarthPunk wrote: BM. I am not going to read every game you were in so that your meta can clear you or whatever. You obviously sacrifice your town play for your scum play. And so everyone gives you the benefit of the doubt when you roll scum. I am not. Your meta will not sway me.
i DO NOT sacrifice shit quit making fucking assumptions ask me questions
I am providing a great defense. If I was mafia, I would have targeted a lurking veteran with a bluerole who I was like "YO AUSTIN THINK ABOUT VIGGING THIS GUY"
You think I would puppeteer? psh. I don't keep around vigs that could kill me as the mafia godfather oh.... LIKE THEY DID THE LAST GAME I WAS SCUM GF
On September 22 2012 23:25 Bill Murray wrote: and we SELECTED the GODFATHER - ME
I CALL ALL THE SHOTS AS SCUM
MY TOWNGAME IS TERRIBLE
BUT MY SCUMGAME??? LOLOLOLOL
Exactly.
no, not exactly i would have been calling the shots as scum which means austin would have died earlier than he did you can obtusely vote me but youre going to be ridiculed by scum as scum or town as town kiss your credibility goodbye for voting me whatsoever all the good players are *********SURELY. really, really impressed with that read
I actually have a Doctor read on you, to be honest, and you would have died many, many moons ago, without me casting suspicion on you at all, for you talking shit towards me all game. You think I'd keep you around?
you think I'd kill SP who was on my nuts? He was insisting I was town.
On September 22 2012 23:33 Bill Murray wrote: I am providing a great defense. If I was mafia, I would have targeted a lurking veteran with a bluerole who I was like "YO AUSTIN THINK ABOUT VIGGING THIS GUY"
You think I would puppeteer? psh. I don't keep around vigs that could kill me as the mafia godfather oh.... LIKE THEY DID THE LAST GAME I WAS SCUM GF
This does not sway me. I view it as irrelevant. If you have some other reason that you are town let me know.
why do you continuously use the same word? irrelevant dismissing youre all attacking me over and over, whereas all im doing is defending why im town, which is the only fact i know
like... im gone after this point. this is your chance to not look like a terrible player im trying to filter myself, but you are obviously a troll who is trying to get me modkilled
On September 22 2012 23:33 Bill Murray wrote: I am providing a great defense. If I was mafia, I would have targeted a lurking veteran with a bluerole who I was like "YO AUSTIN THINK ABOUT VIGGING THIS GUY"
You think I would puppeteer? psh. I don't keep around vigs that could kill me as the mafia godfather oh.... LIKE THEY DID THE LAST GAME I WAS SCUM GF
This does not sway me. I view it as irrelevant. If you have some other reason that you are town let me know.
why do you continuously use the same word? irrelevant dismissing youre all attacking me over and over, whereas all im doing is defending why im town, which is the only fact i know
I'm not attacking you. You started this shit. I voted for you because I don't think grush bussed allison and you didn't vote allison.
On September 22 2012 23:39 Bill Murray wrote: If you don't plan on unvoting, tell me now, and I will have to crossvote with your idiot ass.
What is cross voting?
as in you're giving grush, the scummiest active lurker of the entire existence of TL mafia who is completely unreadable, and SOUTH KOREAN, the hammer....... over me... who is SPAMMING
On September 22 2012 23:39 Bill Murray wrote: If you don't plan on unvoting, tell me now, and I will have to crossvote with your idiot ass.
What is cross voting?
as in you're giving grush, the scummiest active lurker of the entire existence of TL mafia who is completely unreadable, and SOUTH KOREAN, the hammer....... over me... who is SPAMMING
What does his nationality have to do with it?
*facepalm* he's a snake in the grass south koreans = best at games in the world he's using the sun tzu method of hiding his own strength
OK please, for the love of god, at least read one portion of my meta where i was being mislynched by L hold on
On March 18 2010 02:05 Bill Murray wrote: Also, the fact that they didn't ever want malongo killed when it was obvious to me he was red.
On March 18 2010 02:06 Bill Murray wrote: Also, there's no way in hell anyone can know Incognito's alignment. He doesn't even know it himself. He's neutral. He could be like the secret nazi, he could be town aligned, or he could be mafia aligned. There's really no way that anyone can know this.
Notice my usage of the word "Also", as an interjection? I actually wasn't even looking for that.
On September 22 2012 23:19 DarthPunk wrote: You seem really desperate BM. Grush Voted for SCUM you did not. You had a town leaning on Allison and were the only person who did not vote for her.
This is my third ever game. Of course I am unaware of your meta. I gave you the benefit of the doubt at the start. That has now gone. It is LYLO. I am not going to think you are innocent based on your meta only.
you are going to lose this game if you are town, then, but i will gladly crossvote as I called you out way before you ever called me out, and you didnt ever post a case
IN fact, you called me out WITH Grush Also, if I was mafia, I would have killed Grush and just let ShiapPi hammer on you. I would have killed AustinMcc night1. I don't even see how I'm still alive - oh wait, you don't know my meta? So you don't know I'm a veteran? Grush does. That looks really bad on you, honestly.
notice my use of the word also here? when im about to be lynched in both scenarios both as green i thought my tirade was a lot worse, but i guess TL MAfia XX wasn't the one I was trying to find... this serves even better, though, because I really value language usage, and tells. I have a towntell here of using the word also. Now, since I've found it, I'm going to be changing that meta... but I found it, and I will fix my mistake myself regardless of the outcome of this game.
On September 22 2012 23:46 Bill Murray wrote: grush's filter makes the case for me have you even taken the time to read it? compared to mine or yours? he's all 1 liners
I have read it. It is terrible. There was a reason I thought he was scummy. His filter was that reason.
But the point is he voted for allison. Do you think he bussed allison?
next time you call him allison im voting you and not coming back to the thread, which guarantees a town loss if you are town.
On September 22 2012 23:39 Bill Murray wrote: If you don't plan on unvoting, tell me now, and I will have to crossvote with your idiot ass.
What is cross voting?
as in you're giving grush, the scummiest active lurker of the entire existence of TL mafia who is completely unreadable, and SOUTH KOREAN, the hammer....... over me... who is SPAMMING
What does his nationality have to do with it?
*facepalm* he's a snake in the grass south koreans = best at games in the world he's using the sun tzu method of hiding his own strength
I don't subscribe to gender or racial stereotypes bar 1. Koreans are very good at Starcraft.
Excuse me? I am not being negatively stereotypical.
On September 22 2012 23:49 Bill Murray wrote: OK please, for the love of god, at least read one portion of my meta where i was being mislynched by L hold on
On March 18 2010 02:05 Bill Murray wrote: Also, the fact that they didn't ever want malongo killed when it was obvious to me he was red.
On March 18 2010 02:06 Bill Murray wrote: Also, there's no way in hell anyone can know Incognito's alignment. He doesn't even know it himself. He's neutral. He could be like the secret nazi, he could be town aligned, or he could be mafia aligned. There's really no way that anyone can know this.
Notice my usage of the word "Also", as an interjection? I actually wasn't even looking for that.
On September 22 2012 23:23 Bill Murray wrote:
On September 22 2012 23:19 DarthPunk wrote: You seem really desperate BM. Grush Voted for SCUM you did not. You had a town leaning on Allison and were the only person who did not vote for her.
This is my third ever game. Of course I am unaware of your meta. I gave you the benefit of the doubt at the start. That has now gone. It is LYLO. I am not going to think you are innocent based on your meta only.
you are going to lose this game if you are town, then, but i will gladly crossvote as I called you out way before you ever called me out, and you didnt ever post a case
IN fact, you called me out WITH Grush Also, if I was mafia, I would have killed Grush and just let ShiapPi hammer on you. I would have killed AustinMcc night1. I don't even see how I'm still alive - oh wait, you don't know my meta? So you don't know I'm a veteran? Grush does. That looks really bad on you, honestly.
notice my use of the word also here? when im about to be lynched in both scenarios both as green i thought my tirade was a lot worse, but i guess TL MAfia XX wasn't the one I was trying to find... this serves even better, though, because I really value language usage, and tells. I have a towntell here of using the word also. Now, since I've found it, I'm going to be changing that meta... but I found it, and I will fix my mistake myself regardless of the outcome of this game.
You are obviously good at this game. This makes me even more nervous of your alignment. But I am not going to gamble based on the shared usage of a word. Sorry.
ok but youre gambling on what... giving the hammer to the person you consider the most incompetant in the town? you're gambling on what... giving the person who, as scum, would be calling the shots, no benefit of the doubt deductively?
On September 22 2012 23:54 Bill Murray wrote: you might want to stay up or switch your vote if youre town. how long do i have to convince you? im making a wallpost as we speak.
I can get up early (like 6am) to see if there are any shenanigans.
how are there going to be shenanigans with 3 people, + you and I in discourse right now, if I would even be nice enough to CALL IT THAT
On September 22 2012 23:52 Bill Murray wrote: also! let me find another place i used that word recently in the same context as a pressured green nearing lynch
Is that honestly how vets use meta? That seems really silly to be honest.
no... my towngame is really bad, so i dont know what to focus on other than language usage in my defense
i am not seeing a point making a case with your vote on me
On September 23 2012 00:03 DarthPunk wrote: Just commit BM. Do you think I am scum? Or is Grush scum? I have to go to bed. It is 1 AM. I also doubt the deadline is being shortened as we haven't heard anything.
it will be. we have majority on it. grush wants it as well. 3/3.
On September 13 2012 09:26 grush57 wrote: Did awatcher watch Z bOSON?
rolefishing
On September 18 2012 09:51 grush57 wrote: Yeah Kreb is prolly scum. He gave me that vibe the whole game and he won't make a hard stance on anyone. He is just pointing things out on the easy lynch. T_T
mafia had been pushing miltonkram/kreb all game from BM24 and I having suspicion on him in and around the time he and Hapahauli kept confusing me as per who they were, as one made a case on the other. I'll use your word: irrelevant, in relation to not even looking that portion of the game up
I specifically remember Grush rolefishing @ SP "hey, bro, u watcher or tracker???" in another post but im trying to be considerate of your time
On September 23 2012 00:03 Bill Murray wrote: also as a quick case he has claimed 2 different roles
Yes I know. He also said he was making shit up to get out of his lynch. And blatantly trolled. I am super tired buddy. Lets finish this quickly shall we.
So you don't believe in lynching an actively lurking liar with no content who has been rolefishing, but would rather lynch someone who called out a townrole SECRETIVELY to where they DIDN'T DIE FOR DAYS?
but yeah, dp, if you think grush is going to vote me youre wrong if youre town, furthermore, it doesnt matter who he votes... so i guess that statement doesnt matter however, assuming you're scum, your only chance is to trick me, really he knows my meta lol
On September 23 2012 00:11 DarthPunk wrote: It comes down to the way the allinson vote fell. I can't believe scum wouldn't have gone for the win there. Why are you just ignoring the case on me BM?
I haven't read your filter in days, nor have I read every page
On September 15 2012 06:54 imallinson wrote: Ok so Gravan actually answered my question half decently and sloosh's case is good. Especially the part about his explanation for voting matt. Feels like he is justifying it to himself because the reason town would vote matt is obvious.
On September 23 2012 00:18 DarthPunk wrote: I am going to bed. My vote stays put for now. To be honest I am very confused at this whole situation and am really not certain about anything anymore. I'll be back before deadline. BM vote for your biggest scum read.
im not voting at all until i feel like it or you remove your vote and give me the hammer
furthermore, as mafia, i tend to bus in double-lylo situations hell, i didnt even realize we were going to be IN LYLO you attacked me for that, that which is a towntell i thought we were going to be in mylo, and i looked to see if we could abstain, or vote NL.
On September 23 2012 00:18 DarthPunk wrote: I am going to bed. My vote stays put for now. To be honest I am very confused at this whole situation and am really not certain about anything anymore. I'll be back before deadline. BM vote for your biggest scum read.
im not voting at all until i feel like it or you remove your vote and give me the hammer
OK last thing. What is the hammer?
now i know why you and i are butting heads you have no idea how to play this game if that is the case, your selfvoting looks good to me
because you would be giving grush the hammer... there kind of isnt a hammer here, where the lynch is different ,but given my activity, and you GOING TO SLEEP, it might as well be
On September 23 2012 00:18 DarthPunk wrote: I am going to bed. My vote stays put for now. To be honest I am very confused at this whole situation and am really not certain about anything anymore. I'll be back before deadline. BM vote for your biggest scum read.
im not voting at all until i feel like it or you remove your vote and give me the hammer
OK last thing. What is the hammer?
now i know why you and i are butting heads you have no idea how to play this game if that is the case, your selfvoting looks good to me
I am a newbie still. K so you want to vote for me? good to know. I am seriously out this time. BYE!
i said your selfvoting looks GOOD to me as in like it is a towntell
darthpunk, you arent that smart just because you have a vocabulary that you have hammered in, doesn't mean that you don't repetitively use words, or jump to conclusions through appeals, bias, and lack of logic
On September 23 2012 00:18 DarthPunk wrote: I am going to bed. My vote stays put for now. To be honest I am very confused at this whole situation and am really not certain about anything anymore. I'll be back before deadline. BM vote for your biggest scum read.
im not voting at all until i feel like it or you remove your vote and give me the hammer
OK last thing. What is the hammer?
now i know why you and i are butting heads you have no idea how to play this game if that is the case, your selfvoting looks good to me
I am a newbie still. K so you want to vote for me? good to know. I am seriously out this time. BYE!
i said your selfvoting looks GOOD to me as in like it is a towntell
This makes me nervous. You called me out all game. Now you imply i am town so that you have the power or something? it is 1-30am I need to go to sleep so I can get up for the deadline,
if he's town, he votes you, because im obviously the best mafia player if i was with the people who have flipped mafia, and i would have killed austin n1. people like BM24, Austin, BC, etc are all baffled as to why I'm still alive - This looks REALLY bad on you, since you're a newbie.
On September 23 2012 00:28 Bill Murray wrote: darthpunk, you arent that smart just because you have a vocabulary that you have hammered in, doesn't mean that you don't repetitively use words, or jump to conclusions through appeals, bias, and lack of logic
I can agree with this. Though I don't understand why it matters in the current situation.
i got like 3 posts into your filter then facepalmed
On September 23 2012 00:18 DarthPunk wrote: I am going to bed. My vote stays put for now. To be honest I am very confused at this whole situation and am really not certain about anything anymore. I'll be back before deadline. BM vote for your biggest scum read.
im not voting at all until i feel like it or you remove your vote and give me the hammer
OK last thing. What is the hammer?
now i know why you and i are butting heads you have no idea how to play this game if that is the case, your selfvoting looks good to me
I am a newbie still. K so you want to vote for me? good to know. I am seriously out this time. BYE!
i said your selfvoting looks GOOD to me as in like it is a towntell
This makes me nervous. You called me out all game. Now you imply i am town so that you have the power or something? it is 1-30am I need to go to sleep so I can get up for the deadline,
...why does the deadline matter if im not going to be around? how do you know grush will ever vote? you're assuming things
hmmm you made the right choice, but i am still not sure i believe he is scum, because of his lack of interaction with any other scum members, his lurking, one liners, etc
however, i am not certain. you havent really defended yourself whatsoever, nor has he.
A lot of mafia players feel defense is overrated, but I do not. I also am intelligent, so I, too, suffer from confirmation bias. Such as your selfvoting. You're a noob, but you selfvoted? That is actually an expert trick amongst good players to scream to other good players "I'm TOWN!". Mafia aren't typically self destructive, and they are bromancing with their buddies.
You all both have messed up ImAllInSons name, which is something I was banking on.... This game is really confusing. You referenced a case on you, and I'm assuming you mean ShiaoPi? He did want both of you lynched in his latest wall, but reading it, it wasn't really that good of a post.
On September 19 2012 04:30 grush57 wrote: Wait Shiaopi are you tracker or watcher?
grush - really? why would you ask this as town? do NOT bring up being a mad hatter. You claimed townie.
Which are you? You said you were just messing around... and you're a townie? That's what DP said. If you are a Mad Hatter, explain your night actions. Every night. i.e. there have been multiple nights, and I want you to tell me what you did every single night
If you are a townie, I am voting for you for lying.
"On September 13 2012 03:04 imallinson wrote: I was really suspicious of him night 1, he was one of my top scum reads due then. I kind of forgot about him after that because he started actually contributing a bit and the BKE case was much stronger. The way he dealt with the day 3 voting has made me suspicious of him again. Before the start of day 3 he says how much he dislikes the meta arguments + Show Spoiler +. The first thing we get day 3 is this + Show Spoiler + which seems to be the opposite of what he said in the previous post. If you look at what BM, Z-Boson and Forumite actually posted this game BM is by far the most scummy looking. It's only if you look at the meta argument that this changes. Yet Gravan votes for Forumite anyway. I look at that and see someone who tried to look like they were contributing in the first post then trying to hide and sheep the popular vote in the second which seems awfully scummy."
On September 15 2012 01:36 imallinson wrote: @Gravan Why do you keep insisting that the case against you is only based on day 1 and lurking when that isn't true. Also Shady isn't the only one to make a case against you.
Then what is it? Really? What are the strong points out there?
On September 13 2012 03:04 imallinson wrote: I was really suspicious of him night 1, he was one of my top scum reads due then. I kind of forgot about him after that because he started actually contributing a bit and the BKE case was much stronger. The way he dealt with the day 3 voting has made me suspicious of him again. Before the start of day 3 he says how much he dislikes the meta arguments + Show Spoiler +
On September 10 2012 03:52 Gravan wrote: There is a lot of "in this game x player played like this" or, "y is a veteran, therefore the following is probable...". While I think these are fine as supporting arguments (since past tendencies/experience are relevant things to consider) I feel like all this talk of veterans and meta play is clouding and overtaking what people have actually said and how people have actually been playing.
On September 12 2012 04:54 Gravan wrote: At this point, my viewpoint is as follows (on the big topics):
Bill Murray is still suspicious, but, really, who the fuck knows? Z-Boson is highly suspicious.
Forumite is highly suspicious, and very shifty. For somebody who is posting somewhat regularily, he hasn't done too much to defend himself other than point as many fingers as he can as quickly as he can - something that seems really scummy.
I wish we had another day to talk about this, heh.
##Vote Forumite.
On September 12 2012 04:56 Gravan wrote: To be a bit more clear:
Bill Murray's posting is very difficult to read, and he claims to have had more knowledge than he really ought to have had. That said, he has apparently been playing mafia for a while so he could also have just made a good read.
Z-Boson is far too defensive for my liking - it seems like he thinks that every post that isn't in agreement with him, or that pulls the discussion away from his posts, is targeted at him.
which seems to be the opposite of what he said in the previous post. If you look at what BM, Z-Boson and Forumite actually posted this game BM is by far the most scummy looking. It's only if you look at the meta argument that this changes. Yet Gravan votes for Forumite anyway. I look at that and see someone who tried to look like they were contributing in the first post then trying to hide and sheep the popular vote in the second which seems awfully scummy.
Why were you so against meta lynches before day 3 but happy to lynch forumite based on toad's meta argument?
On September 15 2012 01:36 imallinson wrote: @Gravan Why do you keep insisting that the case against you is only based on day 1 and lurking when that isn't true. Also Shady isn't the only one to make a case against you.
Then what is it? Really? What are the strong points out there?
On September 13 2012 03:04 imallinson wrote: I was really suspicious of him night 1, he was one of my top scum reads due then. I kind of forgot about him after that because he started actually contributing a bit and the BKE case was much stronger. The way he dealt with the day 3 voting has made me suspicious of him again. Before the start of day 3 he says how much he dislikes the meta arguments + Show Spoiler +
On September 10 2012 03:52 Gravan wrote: There is a lot of "in this game x player played like this" or, "y is a veteran, therefore the following is probable...". While I think these are fine as supporting arguments (since past tendencies/experience are relevant things to consider) I feel like all this talk of veterans and meta play is clouding and overtaking what people have actually said and how people have actually been playing.
On September 12 2012 04:54 Gravan wrote: At this point, my viewpoint is as follows (on the big topics):
Bill Murray is still suspicious, but, really, who the fuck knows? Z-Boson is highly suspicious.
Forumite is highly suspicious, and very shifty. For somebody who is posting somewhat regularily, he hasn't done too much to defend himself other than point as many fingers as he can as quickly as he can - something that seems really scummy.
I wish we had another day to talk about this, heh.
##Vote Forumite.
On September 12 2012 04:56 Gravan wrote: To be a bit more clear:
Bill Murray's posting is very difficult to read, and he claims to have had more knowledge than he really ought to have had. That said, he has apparently been playing mafia for a while so he could also have just made a good read.
Z-Boson is far too defensive for my liking - it seems like he thinks that every post that isn't in agreement with him, or that pulls the discussion away from his posts, is targeted at him.
which seems to be the opposite of what he said in the previous post. If you look at what BM, Z-Boson and Forumite actually posted this game BM is by far the most scummy looking. It's only if you look at the meta argument that this changes. Yet Gravan votes for Forumite anyway. I look at that and see someone who tried to look like they were contributing in the first post then trying to hide and sheep the popular vote in the second which seems awfully scummy.
Why were you so against meta lynches before day 3 but happy to lynch forumite based on toad's meta argument?
Well, I don't like meta lynches alone. They are great as a supporting arguments (a position I have stated before). What really sold me on Forumite, though, was the way he defended himself. I am all for pointing fingers (aka building cases) when you are on the chopping block - but he took it to an extreme I considered scummy.
He used giant red text, and apparently thought half the thread was scum. His reads changed as people shut down his old ones. I thought he was trying to waste as much time as possible before dying - I thought he was trying to go out with a bang.
What finally did it for me (combined with the meta argument) is when Hopeless asked:
On September 11 2012 23:16 Forumite wrote: I dislike most of the case (Z-boson's case on BM), especially him calling BM out for lying, often a "lie" is the player simply forgetting something instead of scum-motivated. What I do agree with is that it´s very bad of BM to have been gone during the BKE lynch. My opinion of BM is that he doesn´t try to help. We want him to be a town leader and all he does is short posts, cryptic or irrelevant passages, FoS on me, taking back FoS on me, saying he actually always suspected me, back and forth.
The old cases on me during N1 were weak, and both BM and Toades said so, so I didn´t do much about them except resolving to get more active, and yet it´s those same reasons that are used to get me lynched today. =/
- You want BILL MURRAY to be the leader? The voice of reason, a beacon for us to rally around? Are you kidding me? - Where is this so called activity? Why is it that my posts are never responded to? Am I lurking to hard? For the last time:
On September 11 2012 07:24 Forumite wrote: And there goes D3.
Come on guys, ignore the wagon for a while, where are the other scum? When I flip town, who is your next target? I´ve been away a few hours and the only thing that´s happened is that everyone´s said they want to lynch me. Doesn´t anyone have something else to add?
On September 11 2012 01:09 Hopeless1der wrote: Forumite, could you perhaps flesh things out a bit more on Z-Boson, besides his interactions regarding Mattchew? Why is he a better lynch than you right now?
Forumite, Why should we lynch Z-Boson? Why do you want me to die? Make an effort to explain yourself.
For reference, a case on Forumite that is not based on Meta: + Show Spoiler +
On September 07 2012 02:43 Hopeless1der wrote: First, my original case on Forumite: + Show Spoiler +
On September 04 2012 13:18 Hopeless1der wrote: Supposing we table the nosy-neighbor discussion(which appears to still be going strong), I would like to point out my take on Forumite:
On September 04 2012 09:12 Mattchew wrote: I am a nosy neighbor. Anyone else with this role should insta-claim as well.
The reason people policy lynch people like BM and Grush is because they get by into later in the game because they are unreadable. This is because they barely actually play the game and if you end up in lylo with one of them left, you've basically already lost. I completely understand anyone wanting to policy lynch them, but we should also not allow them to be off the hook for some sort of scum read during the day.
That being said, I remember thinking to myself that I don't hate BM's play in the last few games I have been in with him. I do not want to policy lynch today.
Why would you claim this? You eliminated yourself as a possible blue from scums list of townies, and it´s not like you doing this eliminates you as a scum suspect. If someone see you visiting a player who dies the we´re lynching you anyway.
"We're lynching you anyway"
Not cool. First, I disagree with the notion that revealing yourself as a nosy neighbor is scummy. Oh wait, Forumite didn't really say that. He didn't really say much of anything here if you ask me, but back to the point of "lynching you anyways", I don't like the blanket statements from Forumite. Here's another one:
On September 04 2012 09:07 BlackMamba24 wrote: I mean that blues should do what they feel is best with their own judgment and ignore any direction from the "town"
Sorry, I should have been more specific. I wondered about this phrase:
On September 04 2012 07:55 BlackMamba24 wrote: Never lynch someone just because they wouldn't claim to the town leader or whatever, that's asinine, asiten, asieleven, asitwelve, etc.
What is there to explain? There's a difference between lynching someone for not backing themselves up after they're caught lying or whatever and lynching someone because they don't trust the town circle.
It sounded weird. It´s common for the voteleader to be lynched unless he claims (convincingly).
As an aside, "It sounded weird" is not a phrase I like to see. Immediately makes me suspicious.
On September 04 2012 09:12 Mattchew wrote: I am a nosy neighbor. Anyone else with this role should insta-claim as well.
The reason people policy lynch people like BM and Grush is because they get by into later in the game because they are unreadable. This is because they barely actually play the game and if you end up in lylo with one of them left, you've basically already lost. I completely understand anyone wanting to policy lynch them, but we should also not allow them to be off the hook for some sort of scum read during the day.
That being said, I remember thinking to myself that I don't hate BM's play in the last few games I have been in with him. I do not want to policy lynch today.
Why would you claim this? You eliminated yourself as a possible blue from scums list of townies, and it´s not like you doing this eliminates you as a scum suspect. If someone see you visiting a player who dies the we´re lynching you anyway.
Because there is no town benefit to me hiding this information. and for all everyone knows I could be a blue role trying to avoid being incorrectly tracked as well
if I get tracked to a dead person atleast there will be something to think about before mislynching me
Lying to town as a blue is a bad idea. If you fakeclaim nosy neighbor to fool scum, then you risk getting lynched by town. You are still going to draw a few trackers during the first few nights, just to make sure that you are really visiting people at random with no effect, so because of this you might actually be hurting town by distracting blues.
Why are trackers going to be inclined to 'verify' a nosy neighbor claim? Even if Mattchew is scum, he just needs to do something and his claim is still up in the air. Why is Forumite trying to manipulate our blues? There's also the point about lying as a blue. How about lying in general to the town? There isn't any value in this statement.
Town is supposedly harmed because our Trackers have to make sure Mattchew is really visiting random people with no effect. And then they get a confirmed townie out of the exchange. Wait, how does that hurt us again?
On September 04 2012 09:05 Forumite wrote: Finished with page 12.
On September 04 2012 08:01 slOosh wrote:
On September 04 2012 07:58 Toadesstern wrote:
On September 04 2012 07:56 slOosh wrote: Hapa, what is your idea of a town circle and how does it help us find / lynch / kill scum?
Toad - How is that useless stuff that has nothing to do with the game? The setup changed and maybe people haven't read the updates. I've asked you once and I'll do it again, what else do you want to talk about?
I don't know what you want to talk about. I'm talking about your useless post being useless.
Well BlackMamba's recent post just shows that people can miss information. My post has already proven itself useful, and your opening post which tries to discredit mine has not. Do you think I'm scum by my first post?
What is your problem with Toades? Do you think he´s deliberately disruptive?
What makes you think I think that?
Let me rephrase: What is your problem with Toades play in this game?
You were reacting very strongly to a random vote coming right at the beginning of the game.
On September 04 2012 07:56 slOosh wrote: Hapa, what is your idea of a town circle and how does it help us find / lynch / kill scum?
Toad - How is that useless stuff that has nothing to do with the game? The setup changed and maybe people haven't read the updates. I've asked you once and I'll do it again, what else do you want to talk about?
On September 04 2012 09:05 Forumite wrote: Finished with page 12.
On September 04 2012 08:01 slOosh wrote:
On September 04 2012 07:58 Toadesstern wrote:
On September 04 2012 07:56 slOosh wrote: Hapa, what is your idea of a town circle and how does it help us find / lynch / kill scum?
Toad - How is that useless stuff that has nothing to do with the game? The setup changed and maybe people haven't read the updates. I've asked you once and I'll do it again, what else do you want to talk about?
I don't know what you want to talk about. I'm talking about your useless post being useless.
Well BlackMamba's recent post just shows that people can miss information. My post has already proven itself useful, and your opening post which tries to discredit mine has not. Do you think I'm scum by my first post?
What is your problem with Toades? Do you think he´s deliberately disruptive?
What makes you think I think that?
Let me rephrase: What is your problem with Toades play in this game?
You were reacting very strongly to a random vote coming right at the beginning of the game.
I reacted strongly because there was no grounds for the vote / read. I still have a problem with the fact that he keeps emphasizing the uselessness of the post (it isn't, because as clearly seen that people can miss setup information), which I take as soft discrediting of my posts in general. I'm not claiming my opening post is super useful, but to call it useless is unwarranted. That said I can see this coming from a town perspective, so my problem with his play thus far is a matter of taste rather than alignment.
On September 04 2012 10:04 Z-BosoN wrote:
On September 04 2012 09:55 slOosh wrote:
On September 04 2012 09:05 Forumite wrote: Finished with page 12.
On September 04 2012 08:01 slOosh wrote:
On September 04 2012 07:58 Toadesstern wrote:
On September 04 2012 07:56 slOosh wrote: Hapa, what is your idea of a town circle and how does it help us find / lynch / kill scum?
Toad - How is that useless stuff that has nothing to do with the game? The setup changed and maybe people haven't read the updates. I've asked you once and I'll do it again, what else do you want to talk about?
I don't know what you want to talk about. I'm talking about your useless post being useless.
Well BlackMamba's recent post just shows that people can miss information. My post has already proven itself useful, and your opening post which tries to discredit mine has not. Do you think I'm scum by my first post?
What is your problem with Toades? Do you think he´s deliberately disruptive?
What makes you think I think that?
Um... this: " My post has already proven itself useful, and your opening post which tries to discredit mine has not" You are saying that he tries to discredit you ---> you think he tried to discredit you ---> if he tried to discredit you, you are saying he wanted to do this and is being deliberately disruptive. Why not just straight answer the question without adding another one?
There is a difference in someone discrediting me and someone being deliberately disruptive. Forumite phrased the question in a way that seemingly put words in my mouth as I said the former but not the latter (or never intended to so I checked with my question).
Specifically the last paragraph is what I want noted. Then again, slo0sh addressed the 'strong reaction' in the first part of that quote, but I don't think slo0sh reacted 'strongly' at all. Forumite is just stirring the pot here and not really being helpful to me. He looks like he's pushing discussion, but slo0sh was taking care of that all on his own. We didn't need Forumite to prompt him. I see a lot of roundabout advice from Forumite on why claiming self-aware miller is terrible and how our blues are screwed for it. But nowhere does he tell us that Mattchew is scummy, just that he'll still be suspicious no matter what. His prodding at slo0sh dead-ended pretty quickly and he's ducked out of the thread after making this post:
On September 04 2012 10:00 Z-BosoN wrote: Hello folks ^^ I would appreciate it if someone could clear some things up, since I've never played in this setup yet. Right now I've noticed this new mechanic: visiting someone. A nosy neighbor will randomly visit someone. This will be caught up by the town watcher and/or tracker. Now what I don't understand: if a medic saves someone, or if a roleblocker blocks some, or if a Suicide Bomber plants a bomb somewhere, or if a goon tks someone, will they also "visit" this person?
Yes, all nightactions, including mafia nightkills, can be detected by watchers and trackers.
I´ve never seen you before. Have you been on TL-mafia long? What do you think about the game so far?
I don't think his posts have contributed anything to getting scum lynched, and I think it is because Forumite is scum.
On September 04 2012 21:11 Forumite wrote: Still catching up with the posts made while I was asleep.
For now: ##Vote: Mattchew
He´s a scummy liar and I´m 100% behind BC for calling him out.
He didn't even read the entire thread through...He initially just tossed his vote in there because BC was so sure of himself, but that wasn't really the case. How do I know this? Because in his next post, he's defending his 'out of place' vote in the spoilered post below: + Show Spoiler +
On September 05 2012 11:17 Forumite wrote: Reading through the thread, my vote on Matt looks kind of odd. I made it after I got a PM-confirmation from Palmar but before I saw Palmars post in the thread.
Why do people fakevote, then say "lol, I never really voted!" It´s irritating. Making a vote in this thread might not count but I think it´s bad form. Similarly it´s bad to stealthvote in the other thread without confirming it here. If you want to pressurevote, do it for real.
On September 04 2012 09:12 Mattchew wrote: I am a nosy neighbor. Anyone else with this role should insta-claim as well.
The reason people policy lynch people like BM and Grush is because they get by into later in the game because they are unreadable. This is because they barely actually play the game and if you end up in lylo with one of them left, you've basically already lost. I completely understand anyone wanting to policy lynch them, but we should also not allow them to be off the hook for some sort of scum read during the day.
That being said, I remember thinking to myself that I don't hate BM's play in the last few games I have been in with him. I do not want to policy lynch today.
Why would you claim this? You eliminated yourself as a possible blue from scums list of townies, and it´s not like you doing this eliminates you as a scum suspect. If someone see you visiting a player who dies the we´re lynching you anyway.
check this scummy post from forumite 1) misreads the setup 2) attacks him with a smirk for the claim, which looks scummy as shit 3) takes the visiting thing a step further, saying "if they die" which clears a ton of scum roles... forumite is scum with a role FoS: Forumite
I don´t get it. Matt was looking very strange for claiming when there was no benefit in claiming. I was talking to him to try and get a better read. Yes, if Matt was blue then I might have exposed him, but I wasn´t worried about that, I was thinking Matt was either NN or scum.
With Matt looking more and more scummy, do you still accuse me of fishing for his role? Your FoS seem to rely on Matt being a townie, which he´s probably not.
On September 05 2012 09:48 Rewok wrote: Been keeping up my reading. Here's how the situation seems to me:
We're voting Mattchew today. Pretty much no getting out of that. If he turns up scum, Ottox and a few others could be on the chopping block. If he's town, we've got a whole new set of reads.
But it seems to me that our whole strategy hinges on how Mattchew turns up after he's killed. Is there any way we can get another read / another kill set up for D1? One which doesn't hinge on Mattchew's alignment?
I'm asking because you guys are way more familiar with the way TL mafia runs.
One lynch at a time. Once Matt is dead, we shut up during the night, and then try to figure out what his flip means tomorrow. We can´t lynch more than one target at a time, so we lynch the scummiest one and worry about finding the rest of the scumteam later.
More specifically, pulling from the spoilered post above:
On September 05 2012 11:17 Forumite wrote: Reading through the thread, my vote on Matt looks kind of odd. I made it after I got a PM-confirmation from Palmar but before I saw Palmars post in the thread.
It didn't look strange. Feel free the check the timestamps, his vote came after Palmar confirmed the lie. Forumite says he got mod confirmation anyways, but to what avail? This is a defensive statement when there is nothing to defend against. This is scummy behavior. Why did he have to sheep BC if he had mod confirmation? More scummy behavior.
Next, he's reading things between lines that I have a hard time seeing. Read BM's post and show me how you came out of that thinking "Well BM is accusing me of bluefishing":
On September 04 2012 09:12 Mattchew wrote: I am a nosy neighbor. Anyone else with this role should insta-claim as well.
The reason people policy lynch people like BM and Grush is because they get by into later in the game because they are unreadable. This is because they barely actually play the game and if you end up in lylo with one of them left, you've basically already lost. I completely understand anyone wanting to policy lynch them, but we should also not allow them to be off the hook for some sort of scum read during the day.
That being said, I remember thinking to myself that I don't hate BM's play in the last few games I have been in with him. I do not want to policy lynch today.
Why would you claim this? You eliminated yourself as a possible blue from scums list of townies, and it´s not like you doing this eliminates you as a scum suspect. If someone see you visiting a player who dies the we´re lynching you anyway.
check this scummy post from forumite 1) misreads the setup 2) attacks him with a smirk for the claim, which looks scummy as shit 3) takes the visiting thing a step further, saying "if they die" which clears a ton of scum roles... forumite is scum with a role FoS: Forumite
On September 05 2012 11:17 Forumite wrote: I don´t get it. Matt was looking very strange for claiming when there was no benefit in claiming. I was talking to him to try and get a better read. Yes, if Matt was blue then I might have exposed him, but I wasn´t worried about that, I was thinking Matt was either NN or scum.
Next is him stifling active discussion and being wishy-washy:
On September 05 2012 11:17 Forumite wrote: One lynch at a time. Once Matt is dead, we shut up during the night, and then try to figure out what his flip means tomorrow. We can´t lynch more than one target at a time, so we lynch the scummiest one and worry about finding the rest of the scumteam later.
He's kind of hedging his bets on what Matt's flip is going to be. This is a step back from when Matt was a scummy liar in his previous post. So what if we can't lynch more than one target at a time? I disagree with the concept of shutting up at night, but I don't necessarily see that as scum motivated. What is scummy is that we can "worry about finding the rest of the scumteam later." This isn't shutting up at night, this is shutting up in general. Rewok phrased his question poorly as an "alternative D1 target", but the basic concept of CONTINUE TO SCUMHUNT is completely valid to me.
On September 05 2012 12:43 Z-BosoN wrote: Allright, Mattchew is set to be lynched. What can we conclude if he flips scum or town? In the unlikely event that he will flip town, will we have enough evidence to go for a BC lynch?
My take is, if he flips town, BC's suspicions will go way up, but I don't agree with insta-lynch. We all agreed that fakeclaiming is not something a blue role would do, and is most likely coming from scum.
If he flips scum, then we will take a long hard look at the people who insist that he shouldn't be lynched.
Ox, as of now, is my top candidate for a lynch. He's been so obnoxious and so annoying regarding the whole Mattchew business that he looks the most suspicious up to now. He also has been of zero usefulness this entire game.
@Shiaopi Your meta is a little off from Dwarf Mafia, where you were town and had much more contribuitive posts in day 1. When will your internet be fixed?
Basically that, if Matt flips town, then BC could be anything, but if Matt flips scum then BC is most likely town, and everyone who defended Matt until Palmars confirmation looks kind of bad. People who defend Matt after Palmars confirmation look bad for creating a disruption over something that is allready decided, that Matt lied and needs to die, but I think most scum jumped on the bandwagon long ago.
If Matt is an Assassin then we get rid of both the 3rd Party in return for 2 townies dead. Not a good trade, but I think it´s unlikely that Matt is an assassin. There´s no point in not defending yourself to the end as a 3rd Party, while scum often shut up to avoid giving away any of their buddies.
On September 05 2012 14:38 Bill Murray wrote: No, Forumite. I don't see how you get that whatsoever. I see you as being scum with Mattchew for not jumping on voting him there.
Isn´t that a different accusation? Before you accuse me of trying to get Matt to claim (meaning that you thought I was scum and Matt town), and now you say I´m scum together with Matt. To answer why I didn´t vote Matt early, at the time I was weighing on what Matt was and engaged him in conversation to get a better read, but until Palmar confirmed how Nosy Neighbors works, there wasn´t enough on Matt for me to throw down a vote. Matt was suspicious for claiming NN, but there were no proof that he was really lying at the time. Why should I vote someone who claims a town role unless I have a good reason to think he´s lying?
, He basically says that if Matt flips red (which he has) then everyone looks kind of bad sometimes because of disruption and bussing something something waffle. Don't count on finding scum using Matt's flip is the message I got from that. This, in addition to his "find scum later" response to rewok reads very scummy to me.
He also pushes his luck with BM regarding the bluefishing, which I don't think actually happened and Forumite is twisting the situation to make BM look bad.
For the most part, he's shut up other than to call Mav scum and neglect to address the ottoxlol issue. This is null since he said he'd wanted to shut up at night, but with everything else, I'm reading heavily into Forumite being scum.
And forumite didn't really give a satisfactory response. It reinforced my idea that he was trying to muck up the thread on his way out.
So, I'mAllIn,Son! pushed me a week ago? Calling me the most scummy person? He was just mad I was defending Gravan "Bill Murray's posting is very difficult to read, and he claims to have had more knowledge than he really ought to have had. That said, he has apparently been playing mafia for a while so he could also have just made a good read." Oh, really, a week ago? "he could have just made a good read" psh you think i'd not nightkill over this guy? name 1 scum who would be calling the nightkills over me anyways, now that i have the hammer, in all likelihood, im going afk and doing daily life stuff. sorry to spam up the thread, but now, I want you all to both explain why you're town
On September 19 2012 17:22 ShiaoPi wrote: Okay I am pretty sure that the scumteam is Imallinson and Darthpunk.
Why?
First off imallinson:
All the things I pointed out in the night are still valid. Seeing Hopeless' flip actually strengthens the suspicion that I had about Imallinson switching to look "good" after a Gravan mislynch. As Hopeless was town he simply did not anticipate him switching 3 minutes prior to deadline. Imallinson switched 6 minutes prior to deadline, as hopeless was not posting during the time, I say that it was a pretty safe bet to have "bussed" SnB without the need to flip him, with a consequential gravan mislynch. As we know now, Hopeless messed that up. Imallinsons defense:
On September 19 2012 03:28 imallinson wrote: I've been real busy with uni work which is why I've been a bit absent recently. I don't understand Shiao's reads. I don't see how the two last people to join the lynch on SnB are scum. If we were why the hell would we bus our team mate when the vote was 6 on Gravan and 4 on SnB. We could have easily just left it as it was and got a mislynch. Kreb's reads seem much more plausible as both BM and Grush have seemed really anti town all game and could see one or both of them being scum.
is only valid if Hopeless would have been red. He flipped green and now it gets even more obvious that imallinsons voteswitch was not consequential if Hopeless had not hammered SnB last minute. Since the daypost imallinson has not been to the thread again, I say he is scum. Hopefully (troll)town is willing to go along with me on this vote.
##vote: Imallinson
If anything I'd say Hopeless being killed makes me look more town. Why, if I was scum, would I base my defence on someone who I know is going to die and who's dying makes me look really bad. I haven't been here since the day post due to trying to sleep/a bit of actually sleeping/waking up feeling like shit. If you look at my previous posting I've always either posted something quick if I had a strong read after the day post or nothing at all. As for the supposed bus of SnB it would make no sense from a scum perspective. Although I wouldn't know hopeless was around I knew Gravan was and if I was scum would have known he was town and would have switched his vote. As for who I think is scum I think Grush and BM look like a really obvious scum team. Your reason for for not thinking that is meta based and we've already had a terrible mislynch based on meta so I'm reluctant to go on that again. Both Grush and BM have been very anti town all game. You I see as definitely town because there is no reason for you to fake claim when you did. Darth is possibly scum but has generally played pro town so I'm much less sure about it than Grush or BM. ##Vote: Grush
Cool.
##unvote
##VOTE BILL MURRAY.
Also, DP, ... lol also anyways, You "voted" me here. I say "voted", because you didn't actually place any vote in the voting thread to correspond with this one word post in the thread. Why?
Grush, if you are a thermo-nuclear-device, such as a thermodetonator, and you were in the hands of bobafett on night 2 What is the air speed velocity of an unladen swallow?
On September 04 2012 07:48 Toadesstern wrote: The meaning was that I think he's a town blue and I therefore want to kill him as quickly as possible.
Or perhaps I don't like people pointing out useless stuff that has nothing to do with the game. I guess it has but what are we supposed to talk about the 2KP change or the vig addition he mentioned.
On September 04 2012 07:48 Toadesstern wrote: The meaning was that I think he's a town blue and I therefore want to kill him as quickly as possible.
Or perhaps I don't like people pointing out useless stuff that has nothing to do with the game. I guess it has but what are we supposed to talk about the 2KP change or the vig addition he mentioned.
On September 04 2012 07:56 slOosh wrote: Hapa, what is your idea of a town circle and how does it help us find / lynch / kill scum?
Errr... well I wasn't planning on anyone taking that image seriously.
I hate town circles. They're distracting to discussion and give people easy outs to "look" townie by "contributing" as opposed to scumhunting. I hate blue-oriented discussion in general really - it makes it easier for mafia to snipe blue roles by testing player reactions. Hell the idea of publicly determining blue actions is silly, considering it gives mafia the one information advantage that town has over mafia.
Could you clarify what you mean by this point?
Basically when someone goes and says "I got roleblocked" or "I was hit as a vet last night" scum now know something that previously only a townie knew. I don't think this is true all the time, as sometimes it's critical to get this info out to the rest of town, but I can see where Hapa is coming from
NONONOONONO As town ALWAYS tell town if you got hit/roleblocked unless some weird setup or something.
as town always tell town? weird wording here, grush
On September 04 2012 08:22 DoYouHas wrote: slOosh, my vote is neither stupid nor a throwaway. I have a friend who I consider a better player than me who has told me that getting BM out of the game quickly is always a good thing. It is meta as hell but it isn't stupid.
Toad's aggression towards you is completely null. You seem to be playing into your town meta so far, but I really won't know for sure until your first/second case.
... so getting rid of a player (BM) is always a good thing even if he's town? What, is leaving him alive D1 a mafia win-condition or something?
There are players on TL that will be unreadable, comes lategame (via trolling). The idea is that getting rid of these vets creates a better chance for town lategame. I don't agree with such a policy, cause scum could be using it to try and lynch a vet.
I buy into this policy. I was kind of hoping to get nightkilled all game. Now I'm stuck having to read the entire thread in context... not that I'd have to... but it's better to read the story as a whole than filters. I'm sure there will be tons of parts I can just skip over, though, so it shouldn't be too bad.
On September 04 2012 09:12 Mattchew wrote: I am a nosy neighbor. Anyone else with this role should insta-claim as well.
The reason people policy lynch people like BM and Grush is because they get by into later in the game because they are unreadable. This is because they barely actually play the game and if you end up in lylo with one of them left, you've basically already lost. I completely understand anyone wanting to policy lynch them, but we should also not allow them to be off the hook for some sort of scum read during the day.
That being said, I remember thinking to myself that I don't hate BM's play in the last few games I have been in with him. I do not want to policy lynch today.
this looks pretty damning to darthpunk kind of funny.. mattchew is the alpha and omega to the fall of the scumteam? him saying me and grush are both policy lynches... in his first post... where he slips? perhaps he is planting a seed to snag me, but this looks reaaaallllyyy bad on you DP
On September 04 2012 09:12 Mattchew wrote: I am a nosy neighbor. Anyone else with this role should insta-claim as well.
Hold up. Why would we want people with information roles to claim?
##vote hapahauli
Am I missing something here or is this vote just ridiculous? I completely understand claiming nosy neighbour or miller day one, and encourage people with those roles to claim in order to stave off potential mislynches in the future. But immediatly voting someone who questions you seems overly defensive IMO.
On September 04 2012 08:09 DoYouHas wrote: Well, as per usual I like lynching lurkers day 1 if a scummier option doesn't present itself.
Blues should do as they see fit. Discussion in that area only gives scum more points of reference for blue hunting.
In the past L has assured me that this is always the correct course of action, sooo
##Vote: Bill Murray
This as your first post? I thought this was a joke and dismissed it whilst I was skimming through everything. except you then defend your vote so I need to take it seriously now. Which makes me sad.
On September 04 2012 08:22 DoYouHas wrote: slOosh, my vote is neither stupid nor a throwaway. I have a friend who I consider a better player than me who has told me that getting BM out of the game quickly is always a good thing. It is meta as hell but it isn't stupid.
Yeah the vote was throw away and stupid regardless of what you maintain. If Bill Murray has some sort of meta in which he trolls and plays retarded that sucks for us, but a policy lynch day one also sucks for us. By throwing a policy vote on Bill Murray immediately and then getting into a protracted defense of this vote you essentially move into a situation in which you take no real position and push a potential mislynch which you would suffer zero consequences from. Seems like an ideal Position for scum to take.
anddddd here's where it gets sticks this post, in a filter, looks scummy as shit
this post, in the context of the thread, looks protown as shit
On September 04 2012 11:34 BlackMamba24 wrote: Anyway - ##vote BloodyC0bbler. Nosy Neigbor specifies that you will not know who you visited, not "you will not know that you are the nosy neighbor" which implies that they would at least know they are the nosy neighbor.
Nosy Neighbor makes a lot of sense as a scum fakeclaim it's probably what I would claim if I had to and thinking about SNB from Death Note mafia I have no reason to implicitly trust mattchew but the fact that you're throwing suspicion on him this early and this stupidly is completely consistent with your scum meta so bye
Also given that you recognize the claim makes sense as a fakeclaim you should realize I wouldn't call someone out given my playstyle unless I knew I was right. As you note that it makes sense as a fakeclaim, a scum making said claim WHILE ASKING FOR PEOPLE TO CLAIM.
Seriously, are people this dumb? or have I been deluding myself for ever.
first all caps and rage of the game u mad, bro? lol
On September 04 2012 09:12 Mattchew wrote: I am a nosy neighbor. Anyone else with this role should insta-claim as well.
The reason people policy lynch people like BM and Grush is because they get by into later in the game because they are unreadable. This is because they barely actually play the game and if you end up in lylo with one of them left, you've basically already lost. I completely understand anyone wanting to policy lynch them, but we should also not allow them to be off the hook for some sort of scum read during the day.
That being said, I remember thinking to myself that I don't hate BM's play in the last few games I have been in with him. I do not want to policy lynch today.
this looks pretty damning to darthpunk kind of funny.. mattchew is the alpha and omega to the fall of the scumteam? him saying me and grush are both policy lynches... in his first post... where he slips? perhaps he is planting a seed to snag me, but this looks reaaaallllyyy bad on you DP
Doesn't that mean it is more likely for you to be scum?
no, i mean that as "a seed to snag me by purposefully taking the fall as a goon [miller/nosyneighbor claim being on purpose] however, idon't think he's THAT good im pretty sure DP is scum... he was chainsaw defending mattchew around page 17, where im at in reading i fully intend to read the entire thread today, or at least until it is time for me to do the work i was referencing
On September 04 2012 11:51 DarthPunk wrote: It seems to me that the best play for a self aware nosy neighbour would be to claim immediately. Your whole Argument rests on the assumption that they are not self aware, which is something that is not clearly defined in the Rules. And yes the burdon of proof is on you as you are making the accusation. It is a fallacy to proclaim 'I am right unless you prove me wrong.'
On September 23 2012 05:04 grush57 wrote: Because a scum doesn't want to lynch you...
no, read it again, and see where he called us policy lynches he didnt vote you, either he was being pressured by hapahauli and bc but people doubted BC
I will show you why I'm obv town in a moment. Read that post you said "wouldnt that mean you were scum?" about See how it calls BOTH me AND YOU policy lynches?
On September 04 2012 11:34 BlackMamba24 wrote: Anyway - ##vote BloodyC0bbler. Nosy Neigbor specifies that you will not know who you visited, not "you will not know that you are the nosy neighbor" which implies that they would at least know they are the nosy neighbor.
Nosy Neighbor makes a lot of sense as a scum fakeclaim it's probably what I would claim if I had to and thinking about SNB from Death Note mafia I have no reason to implicitly trust mattchew but the fact that you're throwing suspicion on him this early and this stupidly is completely consistent with your scum meta so bye
If you think I am wrong prove it. I wouldn't make the statement if I was not 100% sure I was right. As such you have defended a confirmed liar and are scum with him.
Seriously people do you think I would call someone out if I didnt know my shit? -_-
So your rationale is "How would a miller know they are a miller?"
Well if he's telling the truth, he would know he's a Nosy Neighbor, because according to the setup rules, he would have knowledge of his title.
Thus if telling the truth, he would know he's a miller.
I am 100% sure. Nosy Neighbor is a miller role. A player never knows they are that role and a miller is always included in OP as a potential role. Again I say I am 100% right and nosy neighbours are for all intents and purposes a miller for this game and do not know they are a nosy neighbor.
This is information 100% accurate given setup information. If you think I am lying prove me wrong, there is a way to do so.
Let's do this the easy way:
Is the "Nosy Neighbor" self-aware? Does he receive his exact title in the role PM?
Can't ask questions in the thread buddy. It is in the OP.
so he KNEW this which meant he has been purposefully obtuse, and probably helped devise this plan, considering his defense of mattchew
On September 04 2012 16:50 Bill Murray wrote: FoS Rewok -> He says "mafia like to lynch good players" then he's weaseling a vote onto mattchew being justified i haven't read mattchew's filter. let me get onto that. i might be changing my vote.
On September 04 2012 09:12 Mattchew wrote: I am a nosy neighbor. Anyone else with this role should insta-claim as well.
The reason people policy lynch people like BM and Grush is because they get by into later in the game because they are unreadable. This is because they barely actually play the game and if you end up in lylo with one of them left, you've basically already lost. I completely understand anyone wanting to policy lynch them, but we should also not allow them to be off the hook for some sort of scum read during the day.
That being said, I remember thinking to myself that I don't hate BM's play in the last few games I have been in with him. I do not want to policy lynch today.
ok you're getting my vote you wouldn't know you were a nosy neighbor nice slip.
bc was pressured he was pushed too mattchews was so sure that he directed a blue and stifled it quickly After sloosh and doyouhas rekindled the lynching I came along, like a champ, like a boss Saying, yo dawgs, let us lynch this hoss
notice how the above are 1 minute apart ONE MINUTE it took me to see he slipped if i was scum with him, wouldn't i be like "dude, you can't do that, nosy neighbors aren't self aware" BC and I were both Ninjas with Abenson in the first version of this
we know this setup by heart thats how we were able to call them out on it there is actually a rule devoted to that game in relation to how the town circle compared wording, time stamps, etc via messenger
it was a town win, but being a ninja, i dont even know why i played like i did
Grush57, I hope you are just trolling DarthPunk into thinking you're going to be voting me as scum, so he can learn a valuable lesson about how people who lie (LIKE YOU LIED ABOUT YOUR ROLE) are generally mafia
I have decided that though I have wanted to lynch DarthPunk since his first post, me not liking him combined with the unreadability of Grush has given me a catch 22.
if we get this wrong, we lose as a town mafia lynches a townie, which is 2/3rds likely assuming same skill/rep/etc, they win now u know why ive been panicking? i feel pressured this is taking a toll on my soul
This is the difference between someone like me and him. When I am clearly not going to be nightkilled, I actually put in the work of reading multiple filters, 10 pages or so straight, etc to get reads, and still nothing substantial. I've been wanting to vote you all game, but do I want Grush to get a mafia win off of this? Lurking, actively, with one liners? Lying about his role?
On September 24 2012 07:39 Bill Murray wrote: I was obviously voting DP, but I thought I'd need to convince him I would vote you, which I spent hours doing.
lol
i wasnt going to let you get by not posting in lylo. you posted 2 lines.
Grush having potential autowin as town is irrelevant to this, as it has to do with me making personal mistakes, and I need a different defense to properly suffice
EPT
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Naaah as long as grush and BM are not here to discuss with me I won't do jack ![[image loading]](http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/223062_355466524541057_1310928793_n.jpg)
