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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
On August 21 2012 11:21 Chezinu wrote: If you see hearts on the walls... we may have a Woobat problem... there has to be a bat in this game.. woobat isn't in the original 150 yo. Golbat and zubat only....i think | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
Why aren't more people jumping my shit for the policy lynch talk? I admit - it's a GREAT idea. But like...I expected fully to be insta-voted by at least 4 people. Wiggles, where do you stand on a grush lynch? You put forth what I feel is a decent D1 case on the guy and do NOT punctuate it with a vote. And then accuse BC of...what, making generalized blanket statements designed to "appear pro-town", while you devolve into feeding the trolls? I am disappoint, son. | ||
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
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Dirkzor
Denmark1944 Posts
On August 21 2012 09:48 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Simple, he basically said he didn't want to be terrible about how he entered the thread. He then jumps on the bandwagon of the day of that time by making a large "say nothing post" as his post really says jack shit aside from talking about the fake solar beam. Its a space filler post on the person with the largest bit of heat on them that offers no new information or really anything of note at all. Why spend time making a post look large if you aren't going to put content with it. Since then he has had 1 post of complete apathy of "not wanting to read this garbage" that he is in no way helping to solve. Seems pretty open shut to me atm. A "say nothing post"? I basicly had the samw worries that S&B did in his big case against Drazerk. My post was just completely crap at explaining my problem with drazerk since it was all hunches and feelings. The way I entered was just a punch towards those entering with a town claim which is basicly useless and imo a complete stupid way to enter a thread. While I agree that Drazerk was the biggest focus point during the first part of D1, the solar beam thingy wasn't mentioned in the 2-3 pages before I posted so I brought it up again because it was the only thing worth mentioning. On August 21 2012 09:30 wherebugsgo wrote: yeah Mattchew, I don't have as much time as I normally do. I'm going to try not to rage if something retarded happens (like in BC's game) but I'm also hosting AoK mafia which is taking quite a lot more time than expected. I don't like imallinson and I would be fine with lynching him today. If you all would kindly take a glance at his posts, in most of them he fails to take a strong opinion and defers his own stances to the opinions of others. For example: The only real thing he's contributed is that he thinks people aren't thinking "outside of the box" enough with respect to roles (about the multiple power thing). However, that has nothing to do with finding scum and he himself admits its pretty much not of any help: So if it's not going to be helpful why is he spending his time pointing that out instead of trying to find scum? In addition, note his vague language, his meek attitude, and his overall "hide and say a few noncontroversial things and hope no one notices me" style. All of these things are great ways for scum to blend in. ##vote imallinson While this case at face value makes sense I figured I'd dig deeper. imallinson is pretty new here so I figured he could just be intimidated by the amount of veterans in the game and thus explaining his meek attitude. So i skimmed his newbie game and the mad men game. In neither of those does he appear meek or insecure about his thoughts. So more power to this case due to that. On August 21 2012 09:08 VisceraEyes wrote: You're not alone - but I strongly advise against it. I'm town and intend to show it soon enough. But my vote IS a tool, that much has not changed. I'm just using it differently this game than you're used to seeing. A fancy way of saying: My meta have changed... and that are always bullshit that people say when they think people got caught with some meta stuff. Eyes on VE. And lastly: @heist: Not so much suicidal anymore as this thread is turning for the better. The first 10 pages just had me regretting signing up. But why so interested in something thats clearly sarcastic? No one wants to die D1 in a mafia game why use the energy? | ||
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
On August 21 2012 14:03 VisceraEyes wrote: Something feels off about this game. Why aren't more people jumping my shit for the policy lynch talk? I admit - it's a GREAT idea. But like...I expected fully to be insta-voted by at least 4 people. Wiggles, where do you stand on a grush lynch? You put forth what I feel is a decent D1 case on the guy and do NOT punctuate it with a vote. And then accuse BC of...what, making generalized blanket statements designed to "appear pro-town", while you devolve into feeding the trolls? I am disappoint, son. That's funny, because I'm pretty disappointed in you too. I'm not lynching Grush right now. I pointed out a contradiction he made, to see what he would say in response to it. He can respond when he gets back. I don't think I have enough out of him to form a strong scum read, so I'm going to wait for him to start playing again. I think your reasoning for his lynch is crap though. Besides the fact that it isn't any better than RNG for catching scum, it also lets you off the hook completely for having to find scum or contribute to the thread. For example, this is the biggest cop-out from scumhunting I've ever seen: On August 21 2012 07:14 VisceraEyes wrote: If there's no support for it, then I'll entertain the cases put forth. There isn't much more to say on the matter, and anyone who dwells on this should be put under scrutiny. It's a vote like any other vote, I've given my reasoning for it - it's up to you guys to convince me that your read on random player is better than my seething hatred for grush' playstyle. I can tell you without a doubt that attempting to bully me for it is not going to work. The problem with this is that it isn't about finding scum. As a townie, you're supposed to look at all available information and decide who is most likely to be scum. You don't say, "I don't like this guy, so I'm voting him and it's up to you to convince me to kill scum instead of him". You're taking any responsibility for having to do anything on Day 1 away from yourself and putting it onto other players. I'm surprised all the people voting for All-In Tim for deferring his opinion to the judgement of others aren't on you for the same thing. ##Vote: VE I'm putting my vote on you until you can show me you care about killing scum or I find a better lynch target. @Draz: If you could single-handedly choose the lynch right now (choose a player to kill), who would it be, and why? Please give me your reasoning for who you chose. @BC: Hey, what did you think of what Draz said earlier about always appearing scummy? For reference, this post: On August 20 2012 10:44 Drazerk wrote: Theres no real way for me to stop looking like scum with my play style and its why you will need to kill me (I said kill not lynch) before Lylo other whys ill make an awful call at a critical situation and lose town the game or you will all suspect me and lose town the game. I might have missed it, but are we allowed to divulge information about the roles we created? Can we claim what we made or reveal role mechanics? Thanks. | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
On August 21 2012 07:49 VisceraEyes wrote: Posted again because you apparently missed it Toad. The case on Kurumi is that he's Kurumi. The case on Draz is inflated WIFOMY bullshit that consists mostly of setup speculation. The case on BC is...that he said the same thing as you? Last time I checked, agreeing with someone isn't a scumtell, so until he elaborates on his read of Dirk I'm reserving judgement on BC. I'm not reluctant to talk about my thoughts, I just don't have many yet. If this doesn't satisfy you, then my sincerest of apologies. Hopefully my future contributions are up to your standards. I understand that you don't like my case against drazerk. That's fine, people can disagree about reads and interpretations. Boiled down to its most basic level, my case is as follows:
So I can understand you not liking my case or calling it "inflated bullshit." What I was trying to say is that there's a scum motivation for Drazerk's actions but no town motivation, and that's not wifom, but it's a buzzword that gets thrown around a lot and I guess I could maybe understand you just dropping it in as a generic descriptor of any case that you don't like . But why do you say it "consists mostly of setup speculation"? I don't see how that's true at all, and it seems like a pretty blithe distortion of the situation. Setup speculation has actually nothing to do with the case on Drazerk. Oh and I just saw this little gem while I was reading the thread: On August 21 2012 14:03 VisceraEyes wrote: Something feels off about this game. Why aren't more people jumping my shit for the policy lynch talk? I admit - it's a GREAT idea. But like...I expected fully to be insta-voted by at least 4 people. Wiggles, where do you stand on a grush lynch? You put forth what I feel is a decent D1 case on the guy and do NOT punctuate it with a vote. And then accuse BC of...what, making generalized blanket statements designed to "appear pro-town", while you devolve into feeding the trolls? I am disappoint, son. "Hey guys! You're not paying all that much attention yet to this anti-town thing I did so it's a good time for me to bring up that I know it's anti-town and I was fishing for reactions! Oh but also I still support the anti-town thing but it's actually pro-town now, so don't go accusing me of changing my position!" ##unvote: Drazerk ##vote: VE vote is a tool man | ||
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
Drazerk (2) Chezinu Kenpachi Chezinu (1) Drazerk Toad (1) Kurumi Grush (1) VE Mattchew (2) Mementoss Kita Imallinson (5) WBG bumatlarge hiropro jinglehell hopless1der VE (2) Wiggles Strongandbig imallinson currently is set to be lynched if this is plurality lynch. If this is extended majority lynch then 25 players alive means 13 is required for majority. There are currently 14 votes meaning that 11 players haven't voted yet. Deadline is in 13 hours unless I'm confused about time zones. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On August 20 2012 16:59 strongandbig wrote: Man, this thread is hilarious! A great way to start the morning! + Show Spoiler [some of my favorites[/spoiler] + On August 20 2012 08:35 Mementoss wrote: Im assuming wherebugsgo can only be a bug-type, so lets list off gen 1 bug types: 010 Caterpie Bug 011 Metapod Bug 012 Butterfree Bug Flying 013 Weedle Bug Poison 014 Kakuna Bug Poison 015 Beedrill Bug Poison 046 Paras Bug Grass 047 Parasect Bug Grass 048 Venonat Bug Poison 049 Venomoth Bug Poison 123 Scyther Bug Flying Now the real question is where bug types go, pokealliance or team rocket. If my memory serves me right, team rocket never used any of these bug type pokemon in the show. Therefore, wherebugsgo is telling the truth. Flawless logic. hahaha On August 20 2012 09:02 grush57 wrote: See look at wiggles, he asks me a legit question. Plus, he continues my tradition  To answer the question, breadcrumb, and meta. Plus I'm town. Now, we must find scum. I must stop posting so scum can start posting and then we catch them. Cool trick. Is grush really dumb enough to only breadcrumb that he's town when he actually is town? Only time will tell. PS: The word "starsenses" is his breadcrumb that he's town. For example see Mad Men mafia (I think). It really is that dumb. On August 20 2012 09:20 grush57 wrote: Come on man u come up with this new fancy term and theory and then u disprove it in the same post. User was temp banned for this post. hahahaha On August 20 2012 13:51 Chezinu wrote: Your right... Look what I discovered: They joined the game at the exact same time. The must be hahahahah. Chezinu I'm glad you're in this game, I really enjoyed obsing you in Bureaucracy and hope for more of the same this time. Now for a little bit of seriousness: I think Drazerk is scum. Two reasons, with subpoints: (1) The "trying to out KP roles" thing. Now, IDGAF whether or not it's a good idea for town - that's not the point right now. The point is, Drazerk was clearly just doing stuff for the sake of doing stuff. (1A) He hadn't thought through whether or not outing KP roles is a good idea for town or not before he started doing it; you can tell because his argument with me evolves over the course of the discussion, and he relies on the "kenpachi assumption" of balanced type distribution, but not until after Kenpachi suggested it - implying he hadn't originally been making that assumption. Additionally, he clearly assumes the existence of factional KP until later on. (1B) His method of trying to out KP roles sucks ass juice. Like, we know nothing more than we did previously about whether or not Toad has a KP role than we did before, all we know is that when Drazerk (fake?)claimed a KP role, toad (fake?)claimed a KP role right back. There's no way that his troll method gains reliable information, either as scum or as town. Drazerk is also smart enough to realize this. (1C) Okay, so what? Just doing stupid trolly shit doesn't make Drazerk town. As he himself has informed us, his town meta in this kind of heavily themed game is to do stupid trolly shit and not be useful to town. I've played enough of these games with him to recognize that. My argument isn't that he's scum because he does stupid trolly shit. He is scum because he does stupid trolly shit and then, when called out on it, tries to make up arguments for why it's pro-town. Honestly, I was shocked when I posted "sooo, why are you trying to out kp roles" and he responded with an actual srsbsns reason rather than just more trololol. Intermission: Some Choice Quotes from Drazerk lolwut that's interesting... doesn't look that way to me. Okay then let's do that! (2) The Solarbeam. This is a pretty silly reason and you should think much more about the first part, but I think this one is still interesting enough to post. I think Drazerk actually is Venusaur, and he has charged up energy for his solar beam. (2A) Think about it for a minute - why choose solarbeam as his fake dayvig thing on VE? It makes no sense - it's a two-turn move, and if present in this game it would definitely require a turn of charge-up in order to be able to fire later. Plus, there are much more appropriate moves to choose. Shadow and Flame was an unblockable day- or night- vig shot with one use. Fissure, Horn Drill and Guillotine are all more appropriate choices for this than solarbeam; so is hyper beam. And from the pregame, Drazerk obviously knows enough about pokemon to realize that solarbeam isn't the best choice for analogy. (2B) Why does this make him scum? Well, it's the inconsistency. He tries to persuade us that outing KP roles is pro-town, while purposely charging his KP role in a way that keeps it secret. If he really believed in that "track the KP, track the scum" thing then he'd put his money where his mouth his, imo. There's also the general scummy-scumscum stuff he posts, like his "I always look scummy so I need to be vigged" and his "I don't defend myself" and his whole little "anti-meta" thing. But the problem is, I don't think those are "alignment indicative" from him, since I've seen him do them before as town. They're just "being-a-terrible-player-indicative." Oh and also ##vote: Drazerk Bolded/Italicized is what I was referring to as WIFOM and setup-speculation'y. Saying things like "he's smarter than this" and "why would he choose X" are useless because you can't prove what he's thinking or how smart he is. That being said, your explanation the second time around sounds much better. I still don't like your "analysis" of which power he "should have chosen" but then I'm not super familiar with Pokemon so I'm not sure what the "optimal" day-vig power would be - and even if I did, it wouldn't help me find scum in ANY way. But your reasoning is sound and honestly I can get behind a lynch like that. @Wiggles I don't like where your vote is right now. I think it would be more useful elsewhere. Like Drazerk or Dirkzor. I can agree that the grush wagon isn't going anywhere, but I DISAGREE that my reasoning is a "cop-out" or that what I'm doing is "anti-town". I get that you think I don't care about finding scum, but I think you'll find that you're mistaken. ##Unvote ##Vote: Drazerk I'd like to hear from Bugs what makes allin stand out from the pack of lurkers in this game, because honestly I get a "newbie town" feel from allin that makes me suspicious of his wagon. Bugs is the genesis of the wagon, so I'd like him to answer in particular, but anyone voting for him willing may answer. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
-.- Whatever, this place is dead anyway. | ||
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Dirkzor
Denmark1944 Posts
If you find me scummy post why! Don't throw a ball up in the air for some townie to catch and throw. Thats what scummy people do... Same thing can be said about your Drazerk turn around. S&B added nothing new to the case but now its a good case whereas before is was bad? On August 21 2012 17:15 VisceraEyes wrote: @Wiggles I don't like where your vote is right now. I think it would be more useful elsewhere. Like Drazerk or Dirkzor. I can agree that the grush wagon isn't going anywhere, but I DISAGREE that my reasoning is a "cop-out" or that what I'm doing is "anti-town". I get that you think I don't care about finding scum, but I think you'll find that you're mistaken. Haha. Its the biggest cop-out ever. And I don't want to wait for you to show that you want to find scum. I want you to try and find scum now. And you haven't. Not just a little? ##Vote VE | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On August 21 2012 17:39 Dirkzor wrote: Hey VE!? Why all of a sudden do you think people should vote me? You have made no mention of this earlier... Perfect time to take pressure off of yourself by adding another subject for scrutiny. A subject with already some focus from BC. If you find me scummy post why! Don't throw a ball up in the air for some townie to catch and throw. Thats what scummy people do... Same thing can be said about your Drazerk turn around. S&B added nothing new to the case but now its a good case whereas before is was bad? Haha. Its the biggest cop-out ever. And I don't want to wait for you to show that you want to find scum. I want you to try and find scum now. And you haven't. Not just a little? ##Vote VE Hilariously, you're simply adding your vote to a preexisting wagon without adding anything new yourself as well. At any rate, a VE lynch isn't happening today so I suggest you try and hide your vote elsewhere. | ||
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Dirkzor
Denmark1944 Posts
I actually mentioned I had my eyes on you before the cases was posted so this didn't come out of nowhere. Also i pointed out your change of stance on the Drazerk case is stupid. Is that not new? But I get it. Discredit the 3rd voter and call it a wagon. Why not find a better candidate instead? (And don't say grush!) (And if I wanted to hide and blend I'm doing a shitty job.) | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
You're right - I'll find a better candidate for my vote. ##Unvote Drazerk ##Vote: Dirzor Smooches, bro. Smooches. | ||
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Dirkzor
Denmark1944 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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Dirkzor
Denmark1944 Posts
I might not have made I own "from the ground up case" but I have extended the cases on allinson and you. I would call that scumhunting. | ||
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