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HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
August 21 2012 00:44 GMT
#501
bugs ninjaing me
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
August 21 2012 00:48 GMT
#502
On August 21 2012 07:49 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2012 07:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
If there's no support for it, then I'll entertain the cases put forth. There isn't much more to say on the matter, and anyone who dwells on this should be put under scrutiny. It's a vote like any other vote, I've given my reasoning for it - it's up to you guys to convince me that your read on random player is better than my seething hatred for grush' playstyle. I can tell you without a doubt that attempting to bully me for it is not going to work.


Posted again because you apparently missed it Toad.

The case on Kurumi is that he's Kurumi. The case on Draz is inflated WIFOMY bullshit that consists mostly of setup speculation. The case on BC is...that he said the same thing as you? Last time I checked, agreeing with someone isn't a scumtell, so until he elaborates on his read of Dirk I'm reserving judgement on BC.

I'm not reluctant to talk about my thoughts, I just don't have many yet. If this doesn't satisfy you, then my sincerest of apologies. Hopefully my future contributions are up to your standards.


Simple, he basically said he didn't want to be terrible about how he entered the thread. He then jumps on the bandwagon of the day of that time by making a large "say nothing post" as his post really says jack shit aside from talking about the fake solar beam.

Its a space filler post on the person with the largest bit of heat on them that offers no new information or really anything of note at all. Why spend time making a post look large if you aren't going to put content with it. Since then he has had 1 post of complete apathy of "not wanting to read this garbage" that he is in no way helping to solve.

Seems pretty open shut to me atm.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
August 21 2012 00:58 GMT
#503
That's not terrible reasoning at all BC.

Tell me what you think about Bumatlarge, BC...specifically his insistence that what I'm doing right now is anti-town, yet his reluctance to vote me.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
August 21 2012 01:02 GMT
#504
On August 21 2012 09:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
That's not terrible reasoning at all BC.

Tell me what you think about Bumatlarge, BC...specifically his insistence that what I'm doing right now is anti-town, yet his reluctance to vote me.


Sure ask him but not me. Sounds like you and grush have played together. You are voting with emotion, or feigning it. That's typically townie if it's genuine. Obviously if you are faking it just to throw your vote around uselessly, then you are scum.

Enlighten me on what it was, and take your vote off grush.
Together but separate, like oatmeal
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
August 21 2012 01:03 GMT
#505
On August 21 2012 09:43 HiroPro wrote:
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On August 21 2012 07:39 imallinson wrote:
I've been out all day so I apologise for not posting earlier.

One thing I noticed, between the spam, is a hell of a lot of role discussion, talk about kp, etc. I think everyone has missed a very important point in all this. These are pokemon we are dealing with and last I checked most of them have more than one power. Because this is PTP it wouldn't surprise me if most people did have more than one power. Add to that the fact that all the role talk has been about standard mafia roles it seems like no one is really thinking outside the box on the roles. The real question is do they think it's the case a not talking about it for strategic reasons. I'm not a fan of misdirection in mafia from a town perspective because it normally only serves to make scum hunting harder.


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On August 21 2012 08:20 imallinson wrote:
On August 21 2012 08:12 Mementoss wrote:
On August 21 2012 08:09 imallinson wrote:
On August 21 2012 07:44 Hopeless1der wrote:
On August 21 2012 07:39 imallinson wrote:
I've been out all day so I apologise for not posting earlier.

One thing I noticed, between the spam, is a hell of a lot of role discussion, talk about kp, etc. I think everyone has missed a very important point in all this. These are pokemon we are dealing with and last I checked most of them have more than one power. Because this is PTP it wouldn't surprise me if most people did have more than one power. Add to that the fact that all the role talk has been about standard mafia roles it seems like no one is really thinking outside the box on the roles. The real question is do they think it's the case a not talking about it for strategic reasons. I'm not a fan of misdirection in mafia from a town perspective because it normally only serves to make scum hunting harder.


Most roles can be equated to standard mafia roles.

You can deal KP? Your a vig role.
You can protect? medic role.
You can edit your posts? Okay, this one doesn't exist.

Short of everyone claiming what role they created (Which might be useful, but a great way for scum to fuck with us), we have to use terms that everyone else will understand. Once we get through a round of Night actions, (assuming decon\greymist use the ability names) we'd be able to refer to specifics.


I didn't really mean calling roles different names just because of PTP. I'm perfectly fine calling KP role vig, protect role medic and so on. I'm talking about roles that would never be in a normal game of mafia and thus don't have a standard name. I'm pretty the role I created doesn't fit into any normal mafia role and I'm sure there a lot of other cases like that.

As for role calling I think it's a terrible idea, especially in PTP because you can make up a fake role for yourself just as easily as the role you created for someone else.

I do agree with you that things should become clearer after night 1 because we will at least get some info on the roles that are in play.


But how do your thoughts on roles and PTP mechanics help us catch scum?


It doesn't really, I'm just pointing out a big missing piece in all the role talk so far. Honestly I don't think role talk day 1 will be helpful in this set up.


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On August 21 2012 09:18 imallinson wrote:
I guess what need weighing up with regards to a Grush lynch is would lynching anyone else give us more info?


imallinson is scum. He brings up the point that people aren't thinking "outside the box" when it comes to roles and spends most of his time discussing other things related to roles. However, later he says that day 1 role talk isn't helpful in finding scum.

His biggest thing about the grush lynch isn't whether or not grush is scum, but what kind of information can be gotten from the lynch.

Additionally, look at how apologetic and unsure his posting is. He's practically scared of saying anything.

##Vote imallinson


Strongly concur. I was planning to bring up that exact point when I saw it, but you got there first.

Same vote going in the vote thread.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
August 21 2012 01:15 GMT
#506
On August 21 2012 10:02 bumatlarge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2012 09:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
That's not terrible reasoning at all BC.

Tell me what you think about Bumatlarge, BC...specifically his insistence that what I'm doing right now is anti-town, yet his reluctance to vote me.


Sure ask him but not me. Sounds like you and grush have played together. You are voting with emotion, or feigning it. That's typically townie if it's genuine. Obviously if you are faking it just to throw your vote around uselessly, then you are scum.

Enlighten me on what it was, and take your vote off grush.


Interesting, you ask me which one it was as if my answer on the matter means anything. Assuming I was scum, could I not just say "FUCK YEA IT WAS EMOTION GRRRZZZZZZ ANGER!!!"? Similarly, I could even say that I'm "feigning it" in an attempt to illuminate middling opinions such as yours as they arise.

But the fact of the matter is that it doesn't matter what I say is my reasoning, only what I can make you believe is my reasoning. So in response to your question, I have one of my own.

What did you hope to accomplish by asking me that question Bum?
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7447 Posts
August 21 2012 01:30 GMT
#507
I was looking at previous PTP games to see how the game works balance wise. Both previous games town wins! Those games had about 5 mafia and then sk and moles roles as well.

Most importantly, I discovered the same mistake town makes in all the games even though they end up winning anyways. Perhaps it is a winning mistake, I'm not sure...well here have a look:
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 02 2011 06:03 deconduo wrote:
[image loading]

As dusk settled over Gotham City the crowd dragged VisceraEyes to the gallows. 'LYNCH HIM' they screamed, 'BURN HIM' The noose went over his head and he dropped, and died...

And rose again, making a run straight for BloodyC0bbler. He ripped out his throat, as BloodyC0bbler's last words gasped 'I ... am ... the ... Goddamn ... Batman.' The crowd then filled Viscera with bullets, set him on fire and chopped him into bits to make sure he stayed dead this time.

VisceraEyes the Veteran Zombie has been lynched.

BloodyC0bbler the Goddamn Batman has been killed.

+ Show Spoiler +
"You are the Goddamn Batman. You are the hero Gotham deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So the town hunts you because you can take it. You are a silent guardian, a watchful protector, a dark knight. Role-claming as Batman at any point of the game will get you lynched. However, since you are well disguised as Bruce Wayne, role checks on you come back as Playboy Millionaire.

Every night you go ahead and protect the first person being targeted by a KP. However, you are truly incorruptible and do not let scum die out of some misplaced sense of self-righteousness and thus protect that person regardless of their alignment.

Your Arch-Nemesis, the Joker, is bumatlarge. He knows who you are but can not cause your death. You may not reveal his role nor can he reveal yours. If he dies, you will retire from your life of fighting crime, satisfied that the city is safe."


+ Show Spoiler +
"You are the Veteran Zombie. You have been around the block. You've been in many other Team Liquid mafia games, and you've always managed to land a kill but not without getting yourself taken out.

Even though your destiny is to die to take another soul to the grave, you've learned a few skills to evade death. You have two lives and you are able to take another person of his choice with you if you get killed. Your ability activates automatically upon death"


Night 1 begins now. Please send in your night actions ASAP.


On July 27 2011 06:01 deconduo wrote:
[image loading]

BloodyC0bbler the miller Fangirl has been lynched by an angry mob of Emma Watson fanboi rivals.

Show nested quote +
"You are the Fangirl! At the start of the game you can pick someone to be your idol, making you their biggest fan! As you know everything they are doing, each night you see whoever they visit and who visits them. You may switch who your idol is twice during the game.

Since you are their biggest fan, you cannot tolerate any harsh words against them. If anyone attacks or says anything negative about your idol you must defend them. "


It is now Night 1. Get your actions in ASAP.


+ Show Spoiler +
As you can see BC dies Day 1 out of tradition... He's like the Rad of PTP. So be wise in your vig decisions. Make sure you make the right choice to either have pity on our c0bbler friend or kill him for laughs. Warning! You choices will have consequences.. just look at the previous two games and see how they ended... town won...But at what cost? Is it worth killing BC Day 1? Is not BC life worth more than a town win?
lol, clueless in The Prism!
bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
August 21 2012 01:31 GMT
#508
On August 21 2012 10:15 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2012 10:02 bumatlarge wrote:
On August 21 2012 09:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
That's not terrible reasoning at all BC.

Tell me what you think about Bumatlarge, BC...specifically his insistence that what I'm doing right now is anti-town, yet his reluctance to vote me.


Sure ask him but not me. Sounds like you and grush have played together. You are voting with emotion, or feigning it. That's typically townie if it's genuine. Obviously if you are faking it just to throw your vote around uselessly, then you are scum.

Enlighten me on what it was, and take your vote off grush.


Interesting, you ask me which one it was as if my answer on the matter means anything. Assuming I was scum, could I not just say "FUCK YEA IT WAS EMOTION GRRRZZZZZZ ANGER!!!"? Similarly, I could even say that I'm "feigning it" in an attempt to illuminate middling opinions such as yours as they arise.

But the fact of the matter is that it doesn't matter what I say is my reasoning, only what I can make you believe is my reasoning. So in response to your question, I have one of my own.

What did you hope to accomplish by asking me that question Bum?


It was rhetorical.
Together but separate, like oatmeal
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
August 21 2012 01:36 GMT
#509
Then my response wouldn't be very "enlightening" would it?
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
August 21 2012 01:43 GMT
#510
On August 21 2012 10:36 VisceraEyes wrote:
Then my response wouldn't be very "enlightening" would it?


I have a very bad habit of assuming people can read typed sarcasm.
Together but separate, like oatmeal
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7447 Posts
August 21 2012 01:50 GMT
#511
Hey bum,

What abilities does Zubat have?
lol, clueless in The Prism!
bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
August 21 2012 01:56 GMT
#512
On August 21 2012 10:50 Chezinu wrote:
Hey bum,

What abilities does Zubat have?


I'm higher up on the pokedex, but I'd assume leech life or supersonic
Together but separate, like oatmeal
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7447 Posts
August 21 2012 02:06 GMT
#513
On August 21 2012 10:56 bumatlarge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2012 10:50 Chezinu wrote:
Hey bum,

What abilities does Zubat have?


I'm higher up on the pokedex, but I'd assume leech life or supersonic

oh ok, so you think BC might be the Zubat then... he did take batman from you previously..
lol, clueless in The Prism!
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
August 21 2012 02:11 GMT
#514
On August 21 2012 09:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
That's not terrible reasoning at all BC.

Tell me what you think about Bumatlarge, BC...specifically his insistence that what I'm doing right now is anti-town, yet his reluctance to vote me.


at the moment, him not actually voting for you is imo up with the regular town bum play. Rather than simply pushing a lynch and not caring about the results (or arguing a lynch option for the sake of it) he is asking questions and thinking. He could have adapted playstyle but given that he is more active than his regular scum play currently I am less inclined to say scum at this venture.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
August 21 2012 02:12 GMT
#515
I am also higher on the pokedex chez
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
August 21 2012 02:12 GMT
#516
So anyone who was watching on SRL just knows I got the worst luck possible T_T

Lets catch a scum today please?
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
August 21 2012 02:13 GMT
#517
SRL?
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
August 21 2012 02:18 GMT
#518
On August 21 2012 11:13 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
SRL?


http://speedrunslive.com/race/?id=by0b4

Not that important but an awesome community
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7447 Posts
August 21 2012 02:21 GMT
#519
If you see hearts on the walls... we may have a Woobat problem... there has to be a bat in this game..
lol, clueless in The Prism!
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
August 21 2012 02:22 GMT
#520
On August 21 2012 10:58 Hopeless1der wrote:
##Vote: imallinson


Ninja voting like a boss. Reminds me of Bill Murray in LIII.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
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