EPTI'm pretty sure Tunkeg is screwing with us. All joking aside, there's no way he'd be so calm at the end of the alliance phase given how freaked-out he was earlier unless he was seriously feeling pretty comfortable with his setup. This isn't even a meta thing, this is just comparing "Tunkeg during start of PMs phase" to "Tunkeg at the end of alliance phase" and there's a huge difference. He's pulling all the strings around here
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Blazinghand
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I'm pretty sure Tunkeg is screwing with us. All joking aside, there's no way he'd be so calm at the end of the alliance phase given how freaked-out he was earlier unless he was seriously feeling pretty comfortable with his setup. This isn't even a meta thing, this is just comparing "Tunkeg during start of PMs phase" to "Tunkeg at the end of alliance phase" and there's a huge difference. He's pulling all the strings around here | ||
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Blazinghand
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In any case, stop drawing a distinction where there's no difference. There's like no reason to break an alliance except in the late late game, so now that the alliances are set in stone your allies are basically trustworthy. Tunkeg's swarm of allies is easily stronger than my 2 allies, but once he's dead, they won't be. I want him dead, and honestly, unless you think your group is stronger than his, you want him dead to. Vote in your own self-interest. Vote tunkeg. | ||
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Blazinghand
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# of allies is so important it's unreal. Any AoK battle is basically determined by who has more stuff barring big compositional or terrain elements, which there won't be much of. Tunkeg has more allies than me, so I can't kill him at night. My only hope is to get him lynched. It's probably your only hope, too. | ||
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Blazinghand
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The reason I'm trying to lynch Tunkeg is I literally don't think I'll be able to kill him with my allies. And do you think anyone will trust each other enough to gang up on him with people not in their alliance? It'd be a fun trick to convince other people to attack Tunkeg then bail and let them get owned. | ||
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Blazinghand
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The Lynch is much safer, and is what should be used against big alliances. attacks are for fighting people weaker than you. | ||
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Blazinghand
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From your point of view, there isn't a huge amount of difference, except that Tunkeg is likely in a larger alliance, as you mentioned, and that's more dangerous. Even if you lynch him tonight, his buddies might be together and decently strong, but not overwhelming. Alliance size is the most important factor, and so you should lynch out of the largest alliance first. Also, Tunkeg has been playing to avoid suspicion and appear weak. And for what it's worth, he's done a better job of it than me, though I haven't really been trying to appear weak. But my #1 goal is to get him lynched, and to get him lynched before his enormous alliance can take night actions, against you or against me or against anyone else. He's a tricky dude, and honestly people seem to actually believe his tripe (well, some people. could just be his ally-buddies so far). I think that without me to push him, he won't get lynched. That's basically it. You can say what you want about me, but say this: if I have one skill, it's getting money. And if I have two skills, it's getting money and tunneling someone. Look at this push on Tunkeg and tell me that you can get him lynched without my fanaticism. Tell me that honestly, and if you really think that, AND you want to lynch the less tricky guy in the smaller alliance first, I think you need to play more intelligently. Tunkeg is the real threat here. | ||
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Blazinghand
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the fact of the matter is, this game probably has 2-3 strong alliances and some stragglers. Tunkeg's is the strongest and we can't afford not to lynch him first. | ||
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Blazinghand
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The fact of the matter is, most people in this game have 2 allies, even if everyone in the thread likes to go around pretending they're alone or have 1 ally or whatever. That's just the way the game works out with the PM setup. I'm certainly in a comfortable alliance, but all you guys voting me need to realize: most people in this game have about the same number of allies as me. Just because I'm willing to say it doesn't mean I'm a mastermind of some huge alliance: that's not me, that's tunkeg. My goal is to lynch someone who I'm absolutely sure I can't just kill tonight. And that's tunkeg. I honestly think his group will send out a couple of attacks, clean up a couple more dudes overnight, and then bam we're down to like 9 players, 4 of whom are Tunkeg & co. And if there's infighting amongst the smaller factions, and someone kilsl someone else? then it's 8 players, 4 of whom are Tunkeg and co. All I'm saying is, lynch tunkeg first. You want to lynch me tomorrow? fine! but for your own good, and the good of my allies and myself, let's kill tunkeg now. | ||
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Blazinghand
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If you do Nothing and the other team does a Combined Attack, you lose an ally or you die. Game over. If you do nothing and the other team does nothing, nothing happens. If you do a Combined Attack and the other team does a Combined attack, 2 players die, it's even. If you do a Combined Attack and the other team does nothing, you kill an enemy. It's impossible to be safe in this game. This isn't Black Forest where you can mass troops on your "border ally". This is a game where people WILL die to combined assaults, and you can't do anything to stop it. The only thing you can do is play smart. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25560 Posts
On August 16 2012 04:49 Sir Posts A Lot wrote: So Tunkeg's alliance is already completely outed. If this is the case then "our" alliance is completely harmless right? You can vote us off any time you want any day if we get "powerful and destroy everything in our path using the power of the Norse God Tunkeg!" like you say. If this is the case, then there is little sense in lynching someone belonging to a "weak" (is already outed) alliance on D1. So, by your own statements we can conclude you should be lynched instead ...there are 5 votes against me you know. man how srs are we in this game | ||
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Blazinghand
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On August 16 2012 04:52 Sir Posts A Lot wrote: Really? I can only count 4 votes :/ Also, Prisoner's Dilemma is nothing new and innovating. You can try all you can to use it on your favor but you can't. Just like if this were a game of Chicken. It's not a prisoner's dillemma, it's a "hey it's always better to attack" dilemma, and it FAVORS GROUPS WITH MORE PEOPLE. Groups like tunkeg's group. Why isn't tunkeg afraid the night phase? Why? Because he's at home there. He just wants to get there alive so he can feast on your soul. | ||
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Blazinghand
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They are vulnerable ANYWAYS. If you have 1 army, and you're attacked by 2 armies, even if you fend off the first one, the second one shows up and you AUTO LOSE. Read the OP. There's NO DOWNSIDE to attacking other than potentially losing your army during the attack. | ||
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Blazinghand
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In fact, attacking with half your troops is a shit idea cause it's just throwing away half your troops agaisnt anyone who full defends, and throwing away the other half if anyone full attacks you. | ||
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Blazinghand
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You're just getting nervous because I'm revealing the truth, the truth about this game and about night actionss. the truth we need to kill tunkeg | ||
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