Mad Men Mafia
Forum Index > TL Mafia |
Erandorr
2283 Posts
| ||
Erandorr
2283 Posts
On July 22 2012 04:31 VisceraEyes wrote: I asked that in mine and they I received a Veteran Zombie role. I then proceeded to get lynched D1 and eat the brain of the host of this game. Don't worry, BC is a very kind and understanding man, I am sure he would do nothing this harsh | ||
Erandorr
2283 Posts
On July 22 2012 04:39 VisceraEyes wrote: He made me a traitor in the next game of his I played XD I WAS BEING SARCASTIC | ||
Erandorr
2283 Posts
On July 22 2012 04:41 VisceraEyes wrote: I mistook that for trying to misguide the young monkey. As you were then. No, that would be something mean people do. Like BC | ||
Erandorr
2283 Posts
fucking germans everywhere | ||
Erandorr
2283 Posts
On July 22 2012 22:25 Toadesstern wrote: Hidden messages in german that read nothing but"lolol just wanted to screw the us guys trying to google-translate this" or "I bet noone knows how to type an Ä" incomming. Tomatenverarbeitungsanlagenbeaufsichtiger GL | ||
Erandorr
2283 Posts
On July 29 2012 00:59 strongandbig wrote: Does that mean you know who quicksilver was? What if it was caller smurfing as someone who actually plays mafia? (I still think it was ace tho) wasnt ace iirc | ||
Erandorr
2283 Posts
On August 01 2012 12:41 Zephirdd wrote: pregame tips: the more you post, the better. just | ||
Erandorr
2283 Posts
| ||
Erandorr
2283 Posts
| ||
Erandorr
2283 Posts
On August 01 2012 14:10 Synystyr wrote: Well no worries, I don't think we're gonna have any issues here ^_^ thats what i thought when i started playing mafia, too | ||
Erandorr
2283 Posts
| ||
Erandorr
2283 Posts
On August 02 2012 00:18 marvellosity wrote: Erandorr is deffo the early leader for lol didn't read thread! Yeah cause pregame spam is vital to establish yourself amirite | ||
Erandorr
2283 Posts
If someone were to tell you that he used his Ben and Jerry's as an ashtray by accident just now, what would you think? | ||
Erandorr
2283 Posts
On August 02 2012 21:30 prplhz wrote: when is this game starting? as soon as bc wins a game of dota without getting carried | ||
Erandorr
2283 Posts
On August 03 2012 00:13 marvellosity wrote: we hate you too :< | ||
Erandorr
2283 Posts
On August 03 2012 11:32 wherebugsgo wrote: I'm town. for that matter I'm Roger fucking Sterling, so suck my dick. lets start this game right ## VOTE: WBG | ||
Erandorr
2283 Posts
On August 03 2012 11:39 JingleHell wrote: We don't even have much discussion yet, but you still ignored it. Why? I am just used to wbg being dead all the time in dota and dont wanna adjust | ||
Erandorr
2283 Posts
Mason is kind of worthless for town and at face value is little different than a vanilla townie. --A normal pair of masons have the benefit of knowing that one person is definitively town, and being able to claim that later. There is no such guarantee in this game. It's just like posting in the thread with someone except without anyone else seeing it, plus they're going to be extra suspicious of you. Of course you can glean a lot of information just by talking as well, which is a plus regardless. So lets see. Townie masons are kind of bad because all you can do is privatly talk to someone to get information and a feeling of not some random player, but someone you want to talk to more? Also explain the bolded part please. Why are you focused on how a town mason is looking trying to get information? 2) Mason is kind of a worthless role for scum. --A scum mason is an annoying role to play. Do you pick townies, a scumbuddy, etc. What do you say to whom you buddy, each day? Seems fraught. Are you serious? Can you really think of no reason how a scum mason could be useful? 3) One interesting point is that if there is a town mason, there's likely a scum mason. Given the setup description, I find it hard to believe in fact that this would not be the case. This makes the role doubly poisonous/useless for scum. As it stands now, there are 5 scum and 19 townies (25%). If all the masons claim, and scum claims with them, I'm betting it's closer to 50/50 ratio. Maybe 2 town, 2 scum. That's shit for scum, so they won't want to claim. Except that they might think if they don't claim those that do are going to get too much town cred and yadda yadda. Yeah those kind of speculations always work out and are totally valid and never before produced complete retard lynches! 4) So why not have them claim? Sounds fine to me but I don't think it's necessary either. Okay. So would I be correct in saying that you think the mason role is so shitty that having it claimed wouldn't really help anyways, so why bother? If I misunderstood feel free to elaborate. 5) If you are masoned for the day - you MUST claim. There is no reason not to claim that. And save your logs and communications, because that shit needs to end up in the thread eventually. Why? I can think of reasons not to claim that, actually. And just because you can do something doesn't really mean you should , right? | ||
Erandorr
2283 Posts
On August 03 2012 11:14 VisceraEyes wrote: Essentially, it trades outing all of our masons for outing all of the scum masons...because if scum want to use their mason abilities, they HAVE to claim with the rest of town. I have to say that I'm against masons claiming in this game because we don't know A) if we have any masons and B) if scum have any masons. I mean, I'm guessing we do since they're not standard "masons" (the Player A and Player B are confirmed to each other and are town) but they're the version that TL has adopted recently (the Player A gets to choose who to mason and no one is confirmed to anyone flavor) but obviously that's outguessing the mod and I don't even wanna go down that road. Suffice to say that I'm against it, for my part. HI VE! Do you think that the trade of outing all scum masons would be worth giving scum information of all the town masons? Are you essentially saying you are against this because town may have masons and scum not, thus giving something away for free? Is that your entire reasoning? You go on speculating a whole lot of fluffy nothing then say that you actually don't want to go down that road, so why do you bring it up in the first place? | ||
Erandorr
2283 Posts
| ||
Erandorr
2283 Posts
On August 03 2012 20:47 wherebugsgo wrote: I am just used to you being bad, so I suppose I shouldn't let my expectations run too high. That's probably why they gave me the big room and you got the one with the pillar in it. i love trolling scum bugs | ||
Erandorr
2283 Posts
| ||
Erandorr
2283 Posts
On August 03 2012 20:53 wherebugsgo wrote: no worries, I'll be scum when you have feelings worth considering any reason why you would out VE as mason this early? I mean thats kind of retarded. | ||
Erandorr
2283 Posts
On August 03 2012 20:59 wherebugsgo wrote: Pot calling the kettle black... Let me break this down into simpler terms for you (and I thought that wasn't possible!) 1. Being a mason isn't alignment indicative (therefore outting a mason is rather worthless) 2. The playerbase of this game will not understand stuff unless it's obviously stated. 3. If we are both town then mafia will strongly consider shooting one of us. Which means that we will make good protects. Which means that it potentially forces mafia to shoot suboptimally. Sorry wbg, I am just too retarded to understand you. | ||
Erandorr
2283 Posts
On August 03 2012 21:13 Toadesstern wrote: I'm more interested in VE's intentions actually.
I'd rather have an answer quite quick than giving VE some time to write something up. At least I am not THAT stupid ! <3 | ||
Erandorr
2283 Posts
Spreading doubt and undermining wherebugsgo. what in the fuck. prplhz. Could you please explain to me what wbg has done in this game that makes you defend the guy? | ||
Erandorr
2283 Posts
On August 03 2012 23:32 strongandbig wrote: oh hi erandorr glad to see you're in the thread ? You probably should read all my other posts before looking like.. well.. yourself really. | ||
Erandorr
2283 Posts
On August 03 2012 23:31 prplhz wrote: Why don't you like wherebugsgo? I feel like im going insane here. WBG outed VE as a mason. Assuming he is town there is absolutely no reason to do that. ever. Read through WBGs explanation to me. Its a big pile of shit 1. Being a mason isn't alignment indicative (therefore outting a mason is rather worthless) 2. The playerbase of this game will not understand stuff unless it's obviously stated. 3. If we are both town then mafia will strongly consider shooting one of us. Which means that we will make good protects. Which means that it potentially forces mafia to shoot suboptimally. Look at point 1. He says that masons are not alignment indicative, but at the same time forgets to mention that if VE were town, he just gave scum a free rolecheck on one of the important players. and at point 3 If they are both town and would actually play like town, they will shoot them anyways. And if they play well they can still ask for protection and point to their pro town play. Outing masons this early is not part of that. its anti town. Look at that point 3 and tell me how that makes any sense at all. And now answer my question. Why on earth are you defending someone who has not done anything positive at all this game. I would really like to know. | ||
Erandorr
2283 Posts
##Vote: WBG | ||
Erandorr
2283 Posts
On August 03 2012 23:51 strongandbig wrote: errandorr I was kind of hoping you would address this without being prompted but... I wanted to see if he did it again, considering I know my alignment. Its a completely anti town move . Give me one reason why not to hammer wbg right now please. | ||
Erandorr
2283 Posts
| ||
Erandorr
2283 Posts
Right now, tell me what you think about what wbg did. Do you agree with him outing the masons? Why do you think he did it? Do you think he is rather town or scum? | ||
Erandorr
2283 Posts
On August 04 2012 00:06 talismania wrote: Erandorr what do you think of Glasse? (again) also, what do you think of toad and VE? Sorry , i was busy bashing my head against a wall. I am leaning town on toad right now, but its not concrete yet. VE is probably scum with WBG. Its the only real way his move makes any sense. There are other small things I dislike, but I really don't want to focus on him right now. Burn WBG with fire first. Glasse is more important before he gets lynched by a retard mob. He is the definition of an easy lynch right now. At least for some people , apparantly. Could he be scum? Sure. Could he be bad town? Sure. Should we focus on him instead of the proven player who did something completely anti town shits out 1 liners as well? Nope. | ||
Erandorr
2283 Posts
On August 04 2012 00:56 Glasse wrote: I don't. It can be 1 of each but it was easier to type out like this. I'm lazy and my english isn't very good. Are you... I don't even... | ||
Erandorr
2283 Posts
On August 04 2012 00:20 wherebugsgo wrote: Gotta love 8:30 vision appointments. For anyone who doesn't know, from my perspective Erandor and VE share two important traits: One, they both call me scum in every game without fail regardless of their own alignments. Two, they're both awful as town. Right now I lean toward Erandor being terrible, since I don't think as scum he'd stop being lazy long enough to form a coherent sentence. Okay guys. Lets try this again. First of all I would like you to look at wbgs filter. just for fun. And then explain why most of you seem to think he is town. Point out every pro town thing wbg has done this game. Then just for a fucking second PLEASE, look at his move to out 2 masons and think of a pro town reason to do that Now look at this post. The first thing I would like to point out is that WBG is lying. I don't call him Scum every game. Funny thing with WBG actually , I only call him scum in earnest when he is.. ya know.. scum. Also notice that he apparantly thinks I am so bad that I am not Scum, but town. He is discrediting everything I say without even answering it. And no, I am absolutely not mad about it , because this is a very typical way for bugs to play scum. Now WBG, would you please just to enlighten the thread if not me, explain how outing 2 masons is a pro town move? I am really looking forward to that one! | ||
Erandorr
2283 Posts
On August 04 2012 01:08 VisceraEyes wrote: -.- Yes, I am a mason, and no, I didn't give Bugs the okay to out me. Toad you're insane bro. If you'll read my post again, I was AGAINST masons claiming, prplhz asked me what the point of them claiming was and I explained it to him. I'm screaming at bugs in a PM, I'll be back in a bit. Hey man , I asked you some questions yesterday night, could you answer them? And what do you think about bugs move to out you? Do you think that it is a pro town move? | ||
Erandorr
2283 Posts
On August 04 2012 01:03 strongandbig wrote: yeah but do you really think he's bad enough to mason you just to see if you would out a mason a second time? I have a hard time buying that. I asked you some questions would you mind responding ? | ||
Erandorr
2283 Posts
On August 04 2012 01:20 strongandbig wrote: also if you're telling the truth about why you masoned bugs then I agree with his assessment of your play. why? | ||
Erandorr
2283 Posts
Its a completely anti town move to out people like that without thoughts on alignment or actually any information. They may have been context with VE, but I thought of it as trading my role for confirming wbg as scum. it is that easy. | ||
Erandorr
2283 Posts
Something else I would like to point out that fucks over wbgs shitty logic even more, he pretended to give reasons on why he outed VE. Now what exactly were his reasons to out me , assuming he is town? He seems to think that I am town, so why do that to me? | ||
Erandorr
2283 Posts
| ||
Erandorr
2283 Posts
On August 04 2012 06:11 Zephirdd wrote: Maybe I am taking too confidently. Fine let me rephrase that for you I think wbg thinks a scum mason would mason him. Why? Because at the time, I thought "a scum would mason wbg!". However, I don't think either erandorr nor ve are scum at this point. It does make sense, however, that he would out masons. After all, a town mason has nothing to fear(if you assume medics exist) unlike a scum mason. And the "bullshit" part was just me being mad. "Hey some people posted nothing, let's say this guy who's been giving his opinions on subjects and calling people on other and say he has done nothing!". -_- Zephirdd, I think I may be too dumb to understand you here. You are saying that a town mason has nothing to fear, assuming medics exist. By that you agree that giving the names of town masons to everyone, scum included, puts them in more danger? Danger they really didn't need to be in? And also, if town has medics, do you really think its good to force them to protect more people ? In my braindead opinion, that rather sounds like making mafias job of hitting the targets they want easier. And since I am reaaaally slow today, could you also explain what a scum mason has to fear from being outed at that point in the game? Is it just assuming that once a few town masons are dead, the rest must be scum? I am sure there must be more! masons themselves shouldn't unless that would save his life. What you said makes sense. Mason'd people shouldnt claim :s These were your statements about claims early in the game. How was wbg claiming for them something that made you change your mind? | ||
Erandorr
2283 Posts
| ||
Erandorr
2283 Posts
On August 04 2012 08:16 Hier wrote: I am so impressed, Erandorr, you are so elaborate. Nobody even remotely suspects you of being mafia. You painted yourself to be a very big opponent of mason claims. + Show Spoiler [As seen here] + On August 03 2012 12:26 Erandorr wrote: YO talismania : wtf So lets see. Townie masons are kind of bad because all you can do is privatly talk to someone to get information and a feeling of not some random player, but someone you want to talk to more? Also explain the bolded part please. Why are you focused on how a town mason is looking trying to get information? Are you serious? Can you really think of no reason how a scum mason could be useful? Yeah those kind of speculations always work out and are totally valid and never before produced complete retard lynches! Okay. So would I be correct in saying that you think the mason role is so shitty that having it claimed wouldn't really help anyways, so why bother? If I misunderstood feel free to elaborate. Why? I can think of reasons not to claim that, actually. And just because you can do something doesn't really mean you should , right? But mafia either already knows who the masons are by receiving PMs, or sleep soundly at night knowing the masons are bickering among the townies in private, accusing each other of being scum behind each others' backs. Along comes WBG and gives away VE, to which you replied: WBG confirms his stance on revealing masons, and has already done so in practice with an attitude that would assure anyone that he would easily do it again. + Show Spoiler [Here] + On August 03 2012 21:10 Erandorr wrote: Sorry wbg, I am just too retarded to understand you. Within the same hour you mason WBG and get your role revealed. This warrants WBG's reveal of your role being anti-town; your role specifically, revealing VE was just "retarded", not necessarily anti-town. If you had filed your mason request before WBG revealed VE, he would have revealed both of you at the same time. BC was online at the time, as per his voting thread announcement, allowing for all of this to happen in rapid succession. You have abused WBG's rash decision making to your advantage, which I commend. + Show Spoiler [Time of BC's post] + On August 03 2012 21:20 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Please move all voting into the voting thread I just created Here Thank you Erandorr's reasonings: + Show Spoiler [Here] + On August 03 2012 23:53 Erandorr wrote: I wanted to see if he did it again, considering I know my alignment. Its a completely anti town move . Give me one reason why not to hammer wbg right now please. + Show Spoiler [And here] + On August 04 2012 01:37 Erandorr wrote: Its a completely anti town move to out people like that without thoughts on alignment or actually any information. They may have been context with VE, but I thought of it as trading my role for confirming wbg as scum. it is that easy. + Show Spoiler [Finally here] + On August 04 2012 01:40 Erandorr wrote: EBWOP: at that point I wasnt actually certain that wbg was scum at all. Something else I would like to point out that fucks over wbgs shitty logic even more, he pretended to give reasons on why he outed VE. Now what exactly were his reasons to out me , assuming he is town? He seems to think that I am town, so why do that to me? Suddenly you become the victim of something you, apparently, could not forsee, making you look town. You try to convince people that WBG's move was anti-town, while the move against VE "may have been context", or was just "retarded", but not anti-town yet. It doesn't even matter whether WBG is town or mafia! He could be scum, and you may have asked him to rat you out without you even being a mason. I don't know. But you, Erandorr, I am very impressed with. That was clever. I will strive to be like you in the future. Dear god I hope you are trolling | ||
Erandorr
2283 Posts
On August 04 2012 08:17 Zephirdd wrote: @Erandorr 1. I said the people mason'd shouldn't claim "I was mason'd" because of this: by Toad However, this only applies when you are claiming that YOU YOURSELF were masoned. I admit I didn't put proper thought on this, but wbg says nicely when he says that now medics have their targets and now scum are forced to shot sub-optimaly. A scum mason fears being outed because that will put him on the spotlight for the whole game. That's not exactly what scum wants. Also, a medic's biggest dilemma is "who to save". When they have their "MUST SAVE" targets and scum are forced to shot suboptimaly, they are doing their job. Besides, there is always the WIFOM for both medic and scum "but what if I protect someone else because they think he will be save/but what if I shoot him because the medic will prot someone else"; In my opinion, this kind of WIFOM benefits the medic(and town) more than scum who either have to take a chance or shoot a really bad target. Also, as long as only wbg did it and only now, I guess there is no problem with it. Now, one odd thing is that wbg has been away for some time already. I usually don't like to think a vet would play badly. Him going away is bad for him being scum AND town. Maybe I'm wrong after all? :S No Zephirdd, thats not what you said. You said that masons should not claim unless their life depended on it. I have it as a quote in my post, buddy. I am going to try this one more time. Slowly. Hang on. | ||
Erandorr
2283 Posts
On August 04 2012 08:52 wherebugsgo wrote: Let's kill grush. As long as he trolls he's a detriment and certainly the only thing he actually does as scum is troll. Pretty sure given his first post he's not town this game, just as he wasn't in LV. I would strongly suggest to anyone who gets masoned to out the person who masoned them from now on. If both Eran and VE are town then the likelihood of a third mason being town is incredibly low. Thus if there is a scum mason they'd be unlikely to use it (win for us). I'm pretty sure both VE and Eran are town (for now). In particular Eran is almost certainly town because he really wants me to prove I'm town (encouraging me to get on skype, for example) something I don't think he'd do as scum. Anyone voting for him right now (Jingle) needs to also read his posts. Some of the logic might be bad but that doesn't make Eran scum. ##vote grush57 Where is my logic bad. Point it out. | ||
Erandorr
2283 Posts
| ||
Erandorr
2283 Posts
| ||
Erandorr
2283 Posts
I would like to expand a bit on what you have been saying. Gotta love 8:30 vision appointments. For anyone who doesn't know, from my perspective Erandor and VE share two important traits: One, they both call me scum in every game without fail regardless of their own alignments. Two, they're both awful as town. Right now I lean toward Erandor being terrible, since I don't think as scum he'd stop being lazy long enough to form a coherent sentence. Everyone look at what WBG is doing in this post.Now think about this post and try to see town motivation. As I stated before, I don't call him Scum every game. It just happens that we basicly never had the same alignment before. So when I call him Scum, he usually is Scum. The important part : WBG is not discrediting the arguments, he is trying to discredit the players. That is not something a good town player should ever do without being really frustrated. And there really was no reason for him to be this hyper agressive this early on. Unless he was scum and wanted to create a terrible atmosphere. Look at everything I have posted , look at what StrongandBig and Toad added. And then do the right thing and help us kill Scum. | ||
Erandorr
2283 Posts
On August 04 2012 20:44 wherebugsgo wrote: in PMs. also, think about this: Erandor's entire case against me hinges on me publicly outting mafia masons (as a scum tactic.) If I were scum and I knew VE and Erandorr were town masons why wouldn't I just privately tell my team instead of posting to the thread? Its also not my entire case if you had read what I wrote | ||
Erandorr
2283 Posts
On August 04 2012 21:55 wherebugsgo wrote: How the flying fuck am I trolling? How the fuck are you doing everything else you gave as analysis of your scum play? | ||
Erandorr
2283 Posts
| ||
Erandorr
2283 Posts
| ||
Erandorr
2283 Posts
On August 04 2012 22:52 Lazermonkey wrote: Wbg: grush scum meta isn't to troll. His meta overall just doesn't make any sense. I played with him in Newbie XVI(where you actually coached me a bit so you maybe remember that as well). He made posts like this all the time and even claimed detective. Guess what? He was VT. Lynching grush today is essentially a coinflip. I will not lynch into him today. So what exactly do you intend to do. Do you agree about WBG? | ||
Erandorr
2283 Posts
On August 05 2012 00:23 BioSC wrote: Yeaaaaaah, I'm not buying a WBG lynch today. You really want to lynch someone who, even if you don't agree with his play, has reasons for his actions and explains himself, over this? Yeah, not buying it. No, you are not getting away with piece of shit posting like this. Explain to us where you stand on wbg. And no, saying "he is explaining himself" does not cut it. Read everything we have written about him and give us your opinion on why you think he deserves to live. Then read strongandbigs points about grush earlier. Then come back and explain your choice | ||
Erandorr
2283 Posts
Erandorr just masoned me. Dunno if he's scum or just dumb though. Also I didn't ask either of them before outting them. I would like your opinion. From a town POV, why would wbg call me scum or dumb if I mason him? He assumes a town Mason must be dumb to mason him, because he instantly outs them. He said later that outing town masons is also pro town, because it forces Scum to shoot suboptimally. And obviously because a town mason has nothing to fear from pressure. So there is absolutely no reason to call a town mason dumb for masoning him, unless he knows that his move fucks town masons over. | ||
Erandorr
2283 Posts
I was still trying to ask him questions after he called me worthless for the 30th time. | ||
Erandorr
2283 Posts
On August 05 2012 01:08 Lazermonkey wrote: If you mean agree with lynching him, then yes. His play really havn't made alot of sense to me and in some cases been directly anti-town imo. This is especially suspicious because of the fact that he is s veteran. Then write that down in the voting thread | ||
Erandorr
2283 Posts
[04.08.12 12:58:20] WBG: if you're town [04.08.12 12:58:24] WBG: don't ever play mafia again [04.08.12 12:58:26] WBG: you're fucking awful [04.08.12 12:58:45] WBG: just because I've happened to roll mafia the only times you've been town, doesn't mean you have any way of actually reading my alignment. [04.08.12 12:58:50] WBG: calling me scum every game is not being correct [04.08.12 12:58:52] WBG: it's just calling me scum [04.08.12 12:58:57] ME: its not about that bro [04.08.12 12:59:04] WBG: as for now, you're obviously wrong [04.08.12 12:59:06] WBG: and since you can't admit it [04.08.12 12:59:07] ME: its about you playing like complete dogshit [04.08.12 12:59:13] WBG: you're either just obsessed with calling me scum or you're bad [04.08.12 12:59:15] WBG: no [04.08.12 12:59:19] WBG: your arguments have no weight [04.08.12 12:59:22] WBG: I've already refuted them [04.08.12 12:59:27] ME: no you have not [04.08.12 12:59:33] WBG: ok [04.08.12 12:59:33] ME: you are playing like shit [04.08.12 12:59:34] WBG: go ahead [04.08.12 12:59:35] WBG: and [04.08.12 12:59:36] ME: your logic is really bad [04.08.12 12:59:38] WBG: rehash them [04.08.12 12:59:40] WBG: you complain [04.08.12 12:59:42] WBG: that I attack players [04.08.12 12:59:46] WBG: when you're just calling me bad [04.08.12 12:59:48] WBG: that's your entire argument [04.08.12 12:59:49] ME: no [04.08.12 12:59:52] WBG: "you're playing like dogshit" [04.08.12 12:59:53] WBG: not a scumtel;l [04.08.12 12:59:57] WBG: in fact my play is not bad either [04.08.12 13:00:00] WBG: you haven't shown how it is bad [04.08.12 13:00:05] ME: dude [04.08.12 13:00:06] ME: rofl [04.08.12 13:00:09] WBG: in fact you're just tunneling [04.08.12 13:00:11] WBG: like a retard [04.08.12 13:00:22] WBG: because you don't know how to scumhunt [04.08.12 13:00:26] WBG: you don't know what to look for [04.08.12 13:00:46] WBG: outting masons in this setup is not a scumtell [04.08.12 13:00:52] WBG: because it puts them under pressure [04.08.12 13:00:59] WBG: that's something townies should welcome [04.08.12 13:00:59] ME: yo bugs [04.08.12 13:01:01] WBG: and something mafia hate [04.08.12 13:01:03] ME: here is something you could do [04.08.12 13:01:11] ME: TALK TO THE FUCKING MASONS IN PMS [04.08.12 13:01:14] ME: AND PRESSURE THEM LIKE THAT [04.08.12 13:01:17] WBG: what the fuck [04.08.12 13:01:18] ME: if you are town [04.08.12 13:01:19] WBG: am I doing right now then [04.08.12 13:01:25] WBG: yes you can ALSO OUT THEM IN THE THREAD [04.08.12 13:01:27] WBG: that's more pressure [04.08.12 13:01:29] WBG: than the PMs itself [04.08.12 13:01:32] ME: after the shit comes down on you [04.08.12 13:01:35] WBG: if I'm just going to talk to them in PMs [04.08.12 13:01:37] WBG: and it was scum who messaged me [04.08.12 13:01:44] WBG: aren't I simply fulfilling what they wanted in the first place? [04.08.12 13:01:50] WBG: why would they mason me if not to PM me? [04.08.12 13:02:03] WBG: do you realize now [04.08.12 13:02:03] ME: pms go both ways [04.08.12 13:02:05] ME: wtf [04.08.12 13:02:06] WBG: it's YOUR logic that's shit? [04.08.12 13:02:11] ME: are you [04.08.12 13:02:12] ME: actually serious? [04.08.12 13:02:22] WBG: man [04.08.12 13:02:26] WBG: do you not remember SS mafia [04.08.12 13:02:31] WBG: you remember [04.08.12 13:02:34] WBG: how fucking close to sandro I was [04.08.12 13:02:42] WBG: if mafia CHOOSE to PM someone [04.08.12 13:02:45] WBG: they WANT to pm them [04.08.12 13:02:49] WBG: they're not going to fucking slip in PMs [04.08.12 13:02:49] ME: SS mafia [04.08.12 13:02:56] WBG: they only slip when the PMs are forced [04.08.12 13:03:11] ME: which one was it [04.08.12 13:03:19] WBG: the one with 300 town items [04.08.12 13:03:24] WBG: and aliens [04.08.12 13:03:32] ME: the one where you got killed [04.08.12 13:03:42] ME: cause you fucked up as scum? [04.08.12 13:03:57] ME: okay sry i just thought that was funny [04.08.12 13:04:03] ME: well the thing is [04.08.12 13:04:10] WBG: man my entire team got killed [04.08.12 13:04:13] WBG: because we had no powers [04.08.12 13:04:16] ME: you outing the masons is completely terrible [04.08.12 13:04:16] WBG: but that's not the issue [04.08.12 13:04:20] WBG: I was confirmed town to sandro [04.08.12 13:04:23] WBG: no [04.08.12 13:04:26] WBG: you THINK IT'S TERRIBLE [04.08.12 13:04:27] WBG: that's not a fuckign scumtell [04.08.12 13:04:30] WBG: and here you go [04.08.12 13:04:32] WBG: contradicting yourself [04.08.12 13:04:35] WBG: you say I'm scummy [04.08.12 13:04:37] WBG: for calling people bad [04.08.12 13:04:38] WBG: then you call me scummy [04.08.12 13:04:39] ME: no [04.08.12 13:04:40] ME: let me fuckint talk [04.08.12 13:04:41] WBG: because you think I'm bad [04.08.12 13:04:42] ME: for a second [04.08.12 13:04:43] WBG: you can't [04.08.12 13:04:44] WBG: even [04.08.12 13:04:44] WBG: fucking [04.08.12 13:04:48] WBG: read your own thoughts [04.08.12 13:04:49] ME: jesus wbg [04.08.12 13:04:51] WBG: you're so retarded [04.08.12 13:04:51] ME: hang on for a second [04.08.12 13:04:54] ME: shhhh [04.08.12 13:04:55] WBG: no [04.08.12 13:04:55] ME: calm down [04.08.12 13:04:58] WBG: you're awful [04.08.12 13:05:00] WBG: at this game [04.08.12 13:05:01] ME: rofl [04.08.12 13:05:05] WBG: and it makes me not want to play [04.08.12 13:05:07] ME: duuude [04.08.12 13:05:08] WBG: with the likes of you [04.08.12 13:05:08] ME: shhh [04.08.12 13:05:11] WBG: cause I have to defend myself [04.08.12 13:05:17] WBG: against bunches of horseshit [04.08.12 13:05:17] ME: you have to defend yourself [04.08.12 13:05:21] ME: for being afk [04.08.12 13:05:23] ME: for 1.5 days [04.08.12 13:05:28] WBG: yes [04.08.12 13:05:30] WBG: because I have fucking finals [04.08.12 13:05:34] ME: and then posting a case [04.08.12 13:05:36] WBG: that has absolutely nothing to do with the game at all [04.08.12 13:05:39] ME: about grush [04.08.12 13:05:41] ME: thats meh [04.08.12 13:05:42] WBG: yes [04.08.12 13:05:47] WBG: BECAUSE GRUSH IS A FUCKING TERRIBLE MAFIA PLAYER [04.08.12 13:05:50] WBG: the case is going to be one line [04.08.12 13:05:53] WBG: his meta is to troll as scum [04.08.12 13:05:58] WBG: and to actually put marginal effort as town [04.08.12 13:05:58] ME: he may be scum but its also a really really easy one [04.08.12 13:06:00] WBG: go fucking look at lvi [04.08.12 13:06:07] WBG: it's day 1 [04.08.12 13:06:13] WBG: the most likely person to flip scum [04.08.12 13:06:18] WBG: is the guy PLAYING TO HIS SCUM META [04.08.12 13:06:20] WBG: jesus [04.08.12 13:06:27] WBG: you don't try to kill the scum vet on d1 [04.08.12 13:06:30] WBG: cause that will never happen [04.08.12 13:06:34] WBG: you'll just end up killing some bad townie [04.08.12 13:06:36] ME: you are playing to your scum meta [04.08.12 13:06:45] WBG: you don't even fucking know my scum meta [04.08.12 13:06:50] WBG: in fact no one does [04.08.12 13:06:55] WBG: everyone just claims to know [04.08.12 13:07:01] WBG: but they just talk bullshit [04.08.12 13:07:25] WBG: name one thing [04.08.12 13:07:29] WBG: that defines my scum meta? [04.08.12 13:07:32] WBG: what do I do when I'm scum? [04.08.12 13:07:36] ME: you make sense as town [04.08.12 13:07:44] WBG: I make sense as scum too [04.08.12 13:07:45] WBG: fail [04.08.12 13:07:54] WBG: go look at storm mafia [04.08.12 13:08:03] WBG: I led four lynches because townies agreed with my logic [04.08.12 13:08:18] WBG: same in Mini X, a game you were in [04.08.12 13:08:21] ME: yes [04.08.12 13:08:25] ME: where i didnt call you mafia btw [04.08.12 13:08:31] ME: even when you were [04.08.12 13:08:34] ME: think about that for a second [04.08.12 13:08:42] ME: when you claim i call you scum every game [04.08.12 13:08:47] ME: which isnt even true rofl [04.08.12 13:08:50] WBG: you have called me scum every game [04.08.12 13:08:52] WBG: except for that one [04.08.12 13:09:02] ME: BECAUSE YOU WERE SCUM EVERY GAME EXCEPT THAT ONE [04.08.12 13:09:03] WBG: actually I don't even r emember [04.08.12 13:09:04] WBG: if you did [04.08.12 13:09:05] ME: ITS NOT FUCKING MAGIC [04.08.12 13:09:21] ME: rofl wbg [04.08.12 13:09:22] WBG: so what gmae [04.08.12 13:09:24] WBG: have we played together [04.08.12 13:09:26] WBG: in which I was town? [04.08.12 13:09:29] WBG: tell me that [04.08.12 13:09:29] ME: i really hope this is [04.08.12 13:09:36] WBG: really [04.08.12 13:09:37] ME: you being scum and trying to convince me [04.08.12 13:09:39] WBG: are you that fuckign stupid [04.08.12 13:09:43] WBG: now you're just [04.08.12 13:09:44] ME: cause if it isnt im kind of sad [04.08.12 13:09:45] WBG: failing [04.08.12 13:09:50] WBG: by using [04.08.12 13:09:52] WBG: confirmation bias [04.08.12 13:09:53] WBG: you're using things [04.08.12 13:09:56] WBG: to convince yourself [04.08.12 13:09:58] WBG: that you're right [04.08.12 13:10:02] WBG: when it's not evidence in the first place [04.08.12 13:10:09] WBG: which game have I played with you [04.08.12 13:10:11] WBG: that I was town? [04.08.12 13:10:22] ME: dont remember but thats not important actually [04.08.12 13:10:26] ME: just answer a couple of questions [04.08.12 13:10:32] ME: without being angry and objectivly [04.08.12 13:10:36] ME: and we shall see okay? [04.08.12 13:11:00] ME: 1. Being a mason isn't alignment indicative (therefore outting a mason is rather worthless) 2. The playerbase of this game will not understand stuff unless it's obviously stated. 3. If we are both town then mafia will strongly consider shooting one of us. Which means that we will make good protects. Which means that it potentially forces mafia to shoot suboptimally. [04.08.12 13:11:02] ME: you posted that [04.08.12 13:11:06] ME: as explanation [04.08.12 13:11:07] WBG: also [04.08.12 13:11:08] ME: early on [04.08.12 13:11:11] WBG: you did call me mafia in Mini X [04.08.12 13:11:13] WBG: so [04.08.12 13:11:15] ME: well you were mafia [04.08.12 13:11:20] WBG: go fuck yourself [04.08.12 13:11:23] WBG: you can't have it both ways [04.08.12 13:11:23] ME: no [04.08.12 13:11:25] WBG: dumbass [04.08.12 13:11:26] ME: shut up and lets talk [04.08.12 13:11:28] WBG: you can't say [04.08.12 13:11:31] WBG: "OH YOU'RE A LIAR" [04.08.12 13:11:34] WBG: and then turn aroudn and say [04.08.12 13:11:37] WBG: "BUT YOU WERE MAFIA ANYAWY" [04.08.12 13:11:41] ME: rofl [04.08.12 13:11:44] WBG: that's just derpage [04.08.12 13:11:45] ME: i didnt go after you [04.08.12 13:11:47] ME: and you know that [04.08.12 13:11:52] WBG: yes you did [04.08.12 13:11:57] WBG: what the fuck was the point of bringing it up then [04.08.12 13:12:01] ME: not after day 2 i think [04.08.12 13:12:02] ME: i went after other people [04.08.12 13:12:07] WBG: you were dead [04.08.12 13:12:19] ME: but i went for others not you [04.08.12 13:12:21] ME: before that [04.08.12 13:12:29] ME: i mean really going after them not just somehow calling u scum [04.08.12 13:12:32] ME: also shut the fuck up [04.08.12 13:12:33] ME: lets talk about this game [04.08.12 13:12:34] WBG: I saidy [04.08.12 13:12:38] WBG: you call me scum [04.08.12 13:12:38] WBG: every game [04.08.12 13:12:39] ME: and answer some questions [04.08.12 13:12:41] WBG: how is that false [04.08.12 13:12:46] WBG: you haven't answered my [04.08.12 13:12:48] WBG: very simple question [04.08.12 13:12:51] WBG: of when was I town with you [04.08.12 13:13:06] ME: where you ever town with me? [04.08.12 13:13:07] WBG: because honestly [04.08.12 13:13:11] WBG: you're so bad [04.08.12 13:13:12] WBG: at scumhunting [04.08.12 13:13:16] WBG: talking to you will be worthless [04.08.12 13:13:19] WBG: I already know you're probably town [04.08.12 13:13:34] WBG: everything else is stupid because you already disagree with lynching grush [04.08.12 13:13:45] ME: what makes you say that? [04.08.12 13:13:53] ME: there is a chance that he may be scum [04.08.12 13:13:57] ME: its just that you are scum [04.08.12 13:14:01] ME: so its kind of easier to kill you [04.08.12 13:14:02] WBG: so why [04.08.12 13:14:07] WBG: would I consider talking to you [04.08.12 13:14:10] WBG: when all you do [04.08.12 13:14:12] WBG: is call me scum? [04.08.12 13:14:12] ME: because [04.08.12 13:14:15] WBG: why the fuck [04.08.12 13:14:16] ME: i tried to talk normally [04.08.12 13:14:18] WBG: would I do anything [04.08.12 13:14:18] ME: to you [04.08.12 13:14:18] ME: 10 seconds ago [04.08.12 13:14:22] WBG: no [04.08.12 13:14:24] WBG: you're bad [04.08.12 13:14:24] ME: and all you did was insult me more [04.08.12 13:14:27] WBG: you call me scum repeatedly [04.08.12 13:14:27] ME: exactly [04.08.12 13:14:28] WBG: yes [04.08.12 13:14:29] WBG: because you are bad [04.08.12 13:14:33] WBG: and you can't even see [04.08.12 13:14:33] ME: every time i try to ask you quesitons [04.08.12 13:14:35] WBG: your own failures [04.08.12 13:14:37] ME: you do this [04.08.12 13:14:38] WBG: when I point them out to you [04.08.12 13:14:45] WBG: BECAUSE YOU DON'T READ YOUR OWN THOUGHTS [04.08.12 13:14:45] ME: well then just calm down a second [04.08.12 13:14:47] WBG: if you can't [04.08.12 13:14:50] WBG: understand yourself [04.08.12 13:14:56] WBG: then the only true path [04.08.12 13:14:57] WBG: is to tell you [04.08.12 13:15:00] WBG: to go read newbie guides [04.08.12 13:15:06] WBG: because if you think I am scum [04.08.12 13:15:06] ME: shhh [04.08.12 13:15:07] ME: bugsy [04.08.12 13:15:09] ME: shhhhh [04.08.12 13:15:12] WBG: there is no other explanation [04.08.12 13:15:13] ME: let me talk for a second [04.08.12 13:15:16] WBG: you're bad at this game [04.08.12 13:15:18] WBG: go read some guides [04.08.12 13:15:36] ME: shhh [04.08.12 13:15:42] ME: let me ask you some factual questions [04.08.12 13:15:43] ME: and answer them okay? [04.08.12 13:15:47] ME: instead of dodging by calling me bad [04.08.12 13:16:10] ME: 1. Being a mason isn't alignment indicative (therefore outting a mason is rather worthless) 2. The playerbase of this game will not understand stuff unless it's obviously stated. 3. If we are both town then mafia will strongly consider shooting one of us. Which means that we will make good protects. Which means that it potentially forces mafia to shoot suboptimally. [04.08.12 13:16:14] ME: this was your explanation [04.08.12 13:16:19] ME: okay couple of things [04.08.12 13:16:31] ME: explain to me very slowly [04.08.12 13:16:46] WBG: what the fuck is there to explain [04.08.12 13:16:49] WBG: you haven't even asked anything [04.08.12 13:16:53] ME: i was about to [04.08.12 13:16:56] ME: when you started to shout [04.08.12 13:17:01] ME: dont make this harder than it needs to [04.08.12 13:17:15] WBG: if you haven't noticed [04.08.12 13:17:18] WBG: I'm pretty fucking impatient [04.08.12 13:17:19] WBG: with your shit [04.08.12 13:17:26] ME: dont be a baby [04.08.12 13:18:17] WBG: ASK YOUR GODDAMN QUESTION [04.08.12 13:18:20] WBG: I don't have time for this shit [04.08.12 13:18:25] ME: :D [04.08.12 13:18:32] WBG: I need to study [04.08.12 13:18:34] WBG: not fuck around [04.08.12 13:18:36] ME: just again [04.08.12 13:18:46] ME: how does outing masons force mafia to shoot badly [04.08.12 13:18:55] WBG: because if they are town [04.08.12 13:19:03] WBG: then mafia have to choose between shooting the masons [04.08.12 13:19:09] WBG: or shooting someone who is less likely to be protected [04.08.12 13:19:12] ME: well but [04.08.12 13:19:16] ME: me for example [04.08.12 13:19:16] WBG: between VE and myself everyone else on the roster is terrible at town [04.08.12 13:19:19] WBG: therefore any other shot [04.08.12 13:19:19] WBG: is bad [04.08.12 13:19:26] ME: you call me fucking useless [04.08.12 13:19:27] WBG: like if VE and I are town [04.08.12 13:19:30] ME: yes good [04.08.12 13:19:34] WBG: yes but if you are a town mason [04.08.12 13:19:37] WBG: shooting a town mason [04.08.12 13:19:41] WBG: is better than shooting a non town mason [04.08.12 13:19:46] ME: not if mafia has any idea what they are doing [04.08.12 13:19:51] WBG: so if we have 2 medics all they have to do is protect between 3 of us [04.08.12 13:20:00] WBG: what, we force them do double stack? [04.08.12 13:20:04] WBG: big fucking deal we forced them to ds [04.08.12 13:20:07] WBG: mission accomplished [04.08.12 13:20:11] ME: well assume you didnt call out the masons [04.08.12 13:20:12] ME: and you actually play well [04.08.12 13:20:18] ME: and you ask for protection [04.08.12 13:20:23] ME: any fucking medic [04.08.12 13:20:28] ME: will fucking protect you [04.08.12 13:20:29] WBG: I don't care about getting protection [04.08.12 13:20:34] ME: you dont know? [04.08.12 13:20:41] WBG: man [04.08.12 13:20:44] WBG: I would much rather die [04.08.12 13:20:45] WBG: n1 [04.08.12 13:20:49] WBG: the only reason I am in this game [04.08.12 13:20:51] WBG: is as a favor to BC [04.08.12 13:21:00] ME: fuck if you are town with this game [04.08.12 13:21:05] WBG: also [04.08.12 13:21:06] ME: there will be a lot of people shouting at you :D [04.08.12 13:21:09] WBG: I've been requesting town [04.08.12 13:21:10] WBG: for fucking [04.08.12 13:21:12] WBG: 3 months [04.08.12 13:21:22] ME: well [04.08.12 13:21:25] WBG: also no [04.08.12 13:21:26] WBG: I'm not bad [04.08.12 13:21:28] WBG: unlike you [04.08.12 13:21:31] WBG: so no one will be mad at me [04.08.12 13:21:32] WBG: you might be [04.08.12 13:21:33] WBG: cause you're bad [04.08.12 13:21:37] WBG: but that's not my problem [04.08.12 13:21:42] ME: i talked to 3 really good scumhunters about my problem [04.08.12 13:21:57] ME: just the basic theory [04.08.12 13:22:11] ME: of calling out masons in a mafia game this early [04.08.12 13:22:42] ME: ? [04.08.12 13:24:29] ME: oh wait ur scum nvm [04.08.12 13:24:36] WBG: what are you talking about [04.08.12 13:24:46] ME: meh [04.08.12 13:24:49] WBG: tell me [04.08.12 13:24:53] WBG: do you think mafia has a mason? [04.08.12 13:24:57] ME: maybe [04.08.12 13:25:04] ME: its bc [04.08.12 13:25:06] ME: bc can be mean [04.08.12 13:25:12] WBG: so mafia likely has a mason [04.08.12 13:25:18] WBG: you think mafia like attention? [04.08.12 13:25:25] ME: noooo [04.08.12 13:25:28] WBG: ok [04.08.12 13:25:30] WBG: then how the fuck [04.08.12 13:25:33] WBG: is outting a mason antitown [04.08.12 13:25:42] WBG: you have a pool of like [04.08.12 13:25:43] WBG: 2-3 players [04.08.12 13:25:52] WBG: chances are one of them is likely scum [04.08.12 13:26:07] WBG: if anyone tries to mason anyone else from now on and it's not you or VE the likelihood of them being scum is incredibly high [04.08.12 13:26:13] WBG: in fact VE is still possibly scum [04.08.12 13:26:18] WBG: though on behavior I think he's town [04.08.12 13:26:52] WBG: also it discourages use of mafia mason [04.08.12 13:26:56] ME: yes [04.08.12 13:26:57] WBG: so even if they have one [04.08.12 13:27:01] ME: so lets look at results as of right now [04.08.12 13:27:04] WBG: if they want to manipulate someone [04.08.12 13:27:04] ME: assuming [04.08.12 13:27:05] WBG: they won't use it [04.08.12 13:27:05] ME: yo [04.08.12 13:27:07] ME: assuming [04.08.12 13:27:14] ME: ve and i are town [04.08.12 13:27:17] ME: you traded knowledge to mafia [04.08.12 13:27:20] ME: about 2 blues [04.08.12 13:27:28] ME: for them not using potential masons [04.08.12 13:27:28] WBG: so what? [04.08.12 13:27:28] ME: have i got that right? [04.08.12 13:27:33] WBG: I also traded that info to town [04.08.12 13:27:39] WBG: which means medics know [04.08.12 13:27:41] WBG: who to protect [04.08.12 13:27:49] WBG: which means [04.08.12 13:27:52] WBG: SUB PAR SHOTS [04.08.12 13:27:58] ME: yes but those are new targets to protect [04.08.12 13:28:03] WBG: omg [04.08.12 13:28:04] WBG: who cares if [04.08.12 13:28:06] WBG: lurker #5 gets shot [04.08.12 13:28:12] WBG: if half the town thought he was scum to begin with [04.08.12 13:28:18] WBG: the number of lurkers in this game is like half the playerbase [04.08.12 13:28:32] ME: well yeah [04.08.12 13:28:40] ME: but you and VE assuming town [04.08.12 13:28:48] ME: would have been protected if playing well [04.08.12 13:28:56] ME: so there is no reason for your fucking play [04.08.12 13:29:04] WBG: man [04.08.12 13:29:06] WBG: like I said [04.08.12 13:29:08] WBG: I'm not fucking interested [04.08.12 13:29:11] WBG: in being protected [04.08.12 13:29:16] WBG: a;sp [04.08.12 13:29:17] WBG: also [04.08.12 13:29:18] WBG: for VE [04.08.12 13:29:22] WBG: outting him puts pressure on him [04.08.12 13:29:28] WBG: in a way that nothing else i could do would put pressure on him [04.08.12 13:29:38] WBG: because if he's scum obviously he wants to manipulate me [04.08.12 13:29:45] WBG: and he's capable of doing it, because he's not bad [04.08.12 13:29:52] WBG: I can't figure out a good scum in PMs, no one really can [04.08.12 13:30:16] WBG: also like I said earlier in the case he was mafia [04.08.12 13:30:20] WBG: why would I give him what he wanted? [04.08.12 13:30:46] ME: because it goes 2 ways [04.08.12 13:30:55] ME: pms are not a tool for him to fucking manipulate you [04.08.12 13:30:56] WBG: ??? [04.08.12 13:30:57] ME: you are a smart guy [04.08.12 13:31:03] WBG: if he's scum [04.08.12 13:31:06] ME: you can talk back its not like pms are a free manipulation [04.08.12 13:31:08] WBG: and he convinces me he is town [04.08.12 13:31:12] WBG: then how the hell [04.08.12 13:31:17] WBG: is that not manipulation [04.08.12 13:31:24] WBG: if a skilled mafia PMs you that means he WANTS to talk to you [04.08.12 13:31:36] WBG: I did it to sandro myself [04.08.12 13:31:39] WBG: he thought I was confirmed town [04.08.12 13:31:44] WBG: and chose to believe chaoser was scum over me [04.08.12 13:32:02] WBG: ultimately the only reason I died was because he had like 60 bluies [04.08.12 13:32:12] WBG: you can manipulate anyone in PMs [04.08.12 13:32:15] WBG: it's not even hard [04.08.12 13:33:05] ME: well [04.08.12 13:33:12] ME: its bullshit [04.08.12 13:33:27] Maajid M. Nazrulla: whatever [04.08.12 13:33:30] WBG: you keep denying [04.08.12 13:33:32] WBG: everything I say [04.08.12 13:33:34] ME: no [04.08.12 13:33:38] WBG: for who knows what reason [04.08.12 13:33:39] ME: i keep seeing your logic [04.08.12 13:33:41] WBG: talking to you [04.08.12 13:33:44] ME: and deciding its complete crap [04.08.12 13:33:44] WBG: is a waste of my time [04.08.12 13:33:50] WBG: because YOU'RE BAD [04.08.12 13:33:50] ME: well yeah cause ur scum [04.08.12 13:33:57] ME: and failed to manipulate me [04.08.12 13:33:59] WBG: everything you disagree with is just you being awful [04.08.12 13:34:05] WBG: I'm not manipulating you, retard [04.08.12 13:34:06] ME: also im doing you a favor [04.08.12 13:34:08] WBG: I'm fucking town [04.08.12 13:34:09] ME: you dont want to play this game [04.08.12 13:34:12] WBG: no [04.08.12 13:34:14] WBG: you're right [04.08.12 13:34:19] WBG: I actually do want to get lynched [04.08.12 13:34:20] ME: and if you are town [04.08.12 13:34:27] ME: you can shout at how bad my read was [04.08.12 13:34:27] WBG: I'm going to tell that to town [04.08.12 13:34:28] ME: np [04.08.12 13:34:29] WBG: just lynch me [04.08.12 13:41:15] WBG: also [04.08.12 13:41:21] WBG: this is your biggest fucking logic fail [04.08.12 13:41:23] WBG: if I was mafia [04.08.12 13:41:31] WBG: I already know you and VE are masons [04.08.12 13:41:35] WBG: so why would I fucking publicly out you [04.08.12 13:41:40] WBG: instead of just privately telling my team [04.08.12 13:42:01] WBG: your entire case is bullshit because of that simple reason [04.08.12 13:42:05] ME: VE scum too [04.08.12 13:42:06] ME: is the basic thought [04.08.12 13:42:16] WBG: yeah [04.08.12 13:42:17] WBG: you're fucking stupid as fuck [04.08.12 13:42:22] WBG: if you actually believe [04.08.12 13:42:24] WBG: that is a possibility [04.08.12 13:42:27] ME: thing is [04.08.12 13:42:30] ME: its as terrible [04.08.12 13:42:36] ME: as you outing masons as town [04.08.12 13:42:35] WBG: your argument [04.08.12 13:42:38] WBG: is that I am scum [04.08.12 13:42:44] WBG: because I outted masons publicly [04.08.12 13:42:46] ME: no [04.08.12 13:42:47] WBG: when the only time that makes sense [04.08.12 13:42:49] WBG: is if I am town [04.08.12 13:42:49] WBG: if I am scum [04.08.12 13:42:51] ME: no [04.08.12 13:42:53] ME: wbg [04.08.12 13:42:54] WBG: I would just tell my team what I Know [04.08.12 13:42:54] ME: its because [04.08.12 13:42:56] WBG: and not tell town [04.08.12 13:42:58] ME: of every fucking bad post [04.08.12 13:43:01] ME: after that [04.08.12 13:43:03] WBG: man [04.08.12 13:43:06] ME: filter yourself and read it [04.08.12 13:43:06] WBG: none of my posts are bad [04.08.12 13:43:06] WBG: you are bad [04.08.12 13:43:12] WBG: so when things disagree with you [04.08.12 13:43:13] WBG: you think they are [04.08.12 13:43:23] WBG: simple fact is that you have never caught scum other than me [04.08.12 13:43:31] WBG: and you have only caught me in othe rgames because it's the only thing you do [04.08.12 13:43:36] WBG: you call a bunch of people scum for no reason [04.08.12 13:43:40] WBG: you've done it in this game too [04.08.12 13:43:43] WBG: soft called hier scum [04.08.12 13:43:46] WBG: soft called zephirdd scum [04.08.12 13:43:50] WBG: call me scum as usual [04.08.12 13:44:00] WBG: call VE scum [04.08.12 13:44:39] ME: i only called you scum [04.08.12 13:44:44] ME: and VE was supicious [04.08.12 13:44:50] ME: never called hier scum [04.08.12 13:44:55] ME: never caled zephirdd scum [04.08.12 13:44:56] ME: O.o [04.08.12 13:46:06] WBG: it's sad [04.08.12 13:46:11] WBG: when you don't even know your own thoughts [04.08.12 13:46:11] WBG: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=352668¤tpage=17#334 [04.08.12 13:46:14] WBG: "VE probably suspicious" [04.08.12 13:46:29] ME: well thats my thought now [04.08.12 13:46:32] ME: at that point i was frustrated [04.08.12 13:46:39] ME: because no one talked about anything [04.08.12 13:46:45] ME: what about everything else you threw at me? [04.08.12 13:46:46] WBG: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=352668¤tpage=22#437 [04.08.12 13:46:54] WBG: "dear god I hope you are trolling" = soft call of hier scum [04.08.12 13:46:59] WBG: aka the only way he's town is if he's trolling [04.08.12 13:47:02] ME: what? [04.08.12 13:47:06] ME: have you read his case [04.08.12 13:47:11] WBG: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=352668¤tpage=22#438 [04.08.12 13:47:11] ME: have you seen how bad it was [04.08.12 13:47:13] WBG: soft calling zephirdd scum [04.08.12 13:47:19] WBG: for "contradicting" himself [04.08.12 13:47:27] WBG: it's not quite as bad as yours [04.08.12 13:47:32] WBG: yours is the worst case I've ever seen [04.08.12 13:47:35] WBG: you use a pro town tell [04.08.12 13:47:36] WBG: to call me scum [04.08.12 13:49:02] ME: i don't call zephirdd scum at all [04.08.12 13:49:09] ME: i point out shit he didnt say [04.08.12 13:49:12] ME: thats not soft calling anyone scum [04.08.12 13:49:19] ME: thats playing mafia rofl [04.08.12 13:49:22] WBG: soft calling is not directly [04.08.12 13:49:24] WBG: calling anyone scum [04.08.12 13:49:30] WBG: it's suggesting a suspicion [04.08.12 13:49:32] ME: well [04.08.12 13:49:35] WBG: the only person [04.08.12 13:49:37] ME: he does deserve it [04.08.12 13:49:38] ME: do you disagree? [04.08.12 13:49:40] WBG: you have called scum directly [04.08.12 13:49:40] WBG: is me [04.08.12 13:49:42] WBG: well also VE [04.08.12 13:49:45] WBG: no [04.08.12 13:49:47] WBG: zephirdd is probably town [04.08.12 13:49:53] WBG: VE is also probably town [04.08.12 13:49:54] ME: because he understood your master plan? [04.08.12 13:49:57] WBG: prplhz is scum [04.08.12 13:49:58] WBG: no [04.08.12 13:50:04] WBG: because he's not playing like a retard [04.08.12 13:50:09] WBG: and he's not being diplomatic [04.08.12 13:50:12] WBG: he took a controversial stance [04.08.12 13:50:17] WBG: when he didn't need to [04.08.12 13:50:27] WBG: also his opinion is clearly genuine [04.08.12 13:50:44] WBG: not something a mafia would do, they'd just sit back and lurk [04.08.12 13:50:46] WBG: like, idk [04.08.12 13:50:50] WBG: the rest of the playerbase [04.08.12 13:51:00] WBG: you're blind if you don't see how both grush and prpl [04.08.12 13:51:02] WBG: are obvious scum [04.08.12 13:51:32] WBG: broodking as well most likely GL! | ||
Erandorr
2283 Posts
On August 05 2012 05:48 strongandbig wrote: Just finished reading it. So you're thinking about this wrong. wbg's play isn't accomplishing objectives when he gets into this fight with errandor and starts raging everywhere. As I've said before, I think that scum wbg would be just as upset at the prospect of getting lynched for what he sees as shitty reasons as town wbg would. What I see in that pm log is just what wbg said it was - no serious attempt to persuade, except to persuade erandor that he's stupid. So no, I don't see that chat log as alignment indicative, I see it as "wbg being in a really bad mood for some out of game reason" indicative. Look at his play before the fight between him and erandorr, that's where we have things that are actually valid to analyze. Could you guys also please look at the "fight" where i try really hard to actually do stuff and he insults me about 100 times. | ||
Erandorr
2283 Posts
On August 05 2012 06:24 talismania wrote: haven't read pg 31 yet but wanted to interject something quickly I haven't heard a response from BC yet but if WBG keeps his vote on himself I don't see why anyone else should vote for him. He will be modkilled and maybe worse for breaking the rules of the game, so there's no point to vote for him if he's not going to change his mind. In fact, WBG you might as well just quit the game if that's how you feel. Getting yourself lynched/modkilled wastes town's time, and if you want to help town by removing yourself as a distraction, then quit and town get get on with lynching me or prp or whatever. bet you a 5er he wont do it. | ||
Erandorr
2283 Posts
On August 05 2012 06:35 slOosh wrote: It goes back to "why would scum WBG do what he did?" Because you say that outing masons is completely anti-town and disagree with what he did. However, this isn't absolute truth as logic is, it is a camp of thought, something like "masons are valuable town resources and should be treated with same respect / care as other traditional blues". His camp of thought is "outing masons is better as a reasonable way to confirm the alignment of the mason, hinder scum use of masons and force them to make subpar shots". The issue is how valuable do you think a mason is. More than a cop? Less than a medic? There isn't a clearcut answer, and trying to come to a consensus inside a game is futile and unproductive. He outted 2 masons without asking them because asking beforehand defeats the whole purpose. Through it we now have varying degrees of town-reads on you and VE. That's a town motive - get more accurate reads on town. You can dispute how it wasn't worth outting a blue, but first you would have to convince everyone that what he did was egregious and utmost scummy, and then you would have to convince us that WBG knew this and chose the "inferior" path and therefore what he did was scummy. Because I think what he did was fine. Am I supporting a scummy thought? I don't think so. It's just different. Several of us (me, Toad, VE) have moved on with varying opinions on WBG. I ask you to do the same. Consider prplhz and talismania. If you still think WBG is scum that's fine, but let's focus as a town and get some discussion on prplhz and talismania, because regardless of today's lynch they are serious contenders for d2 lynch. yeah prplhz deserves to be hammered as well, but it still amazes me that you would reduce the entire case on bugs on the mason thing. I think strongandbigs points were the strongest, to be frank, he found some really good quotes and made some very good points on wbg. Which is funny, because if you read what wbg is writing, he is reducing almost everything that has been written as me tunneling him and I am completely terrible and tunnel him every game*(which is a lie btw. In the Pms he even lied straight to my face and said I called him scum in mini mafia X (where he was scum) when I actually did not consider him. Look at the logs and that game,he is blatantly lying about that) . And it is working. I will keep my vote on WBG unless someone other than him or Prplhz would get lynched, in which case I will move to prpl. No one else though and I would rather see WBG dead than prplhz | ||
Erandorr
2283 Posts
I really still think Erandorr is the best read. He starts with this gem, voting on Bugs for no reason at all. Maybe I'm crazy, but I'm not a fan of votes for literally no reason, as they don't create functional discussion, and could cause trouble, or be used as cover later. On August 03 2012 11:37 Erandorr wrote: Show nested quote + lets start this game right ## VOTE: WBG Its a joke I make in quite a few games I play with WBG. Feel free to check, I won't do it for you. Most of page 2 of his filter is nonsensical babble or ad homs. He masons onto WBG after WBG outs VE, as "proof" WBG is outing masons. Or maybe to get himself confirmed as a role in hopes he gets some BOTD. He throws out personal attacks against anyone who disagrees with him repeatedly, an example: On August 03 2012 23:58 Erandorr wrote: Yo you guys. You actually don't use "reason" or "arguments" you just sit there and talk shit. If you disagree with me, point out mistakes you think I made instead of shitting out terrible posts What I am posting below is the post I was referring to. Would you not agree that my outburst was warranted, considering this example? Is there any way you would call that post below anything else that "shit" or "terrible" ? oh oh oh I know why not hammer him right now! Deadline is on saturday. No one is lynched until then. You can't hammer someone right now Epic defense against Hier. On August 04 2012 08:23 Erandorr wrote: Show nested quote + Dear god I hope you are trolling Did you read Hiers case? Do you agree with the points he made? Because that one is so terrible I honestly didnt even think I would have to reply to that one. Which blithely ignores certain parts of the log, like ME: its about you playing like complete dogshit ME: you are playing like shit ME: your logic is really bad [04.08.12 13:03:32] ME: the one where you got killed [04.08.12 13:03:42] ME: cause you fucked up as scum? [04.08.12 13:03:57] ME: okay sry i just thought that was funny Those are some brilliant examples of attempting productivity, and keeping it calm. I assume you have read the entire log. Did you notice that he insulted me about 100 times before that? And the one time I get so upset as to say what I do in the quote I INSTANTLY APOLOGIZE? I mean seriously, this shit here borders on malicious. Now would you mind telling us why you have not said a single word about the WBG case? What are your thoughts on him? It is a bit strange to not mention something that has been talked about for like 20 pages. Would you also mind telling us what you think about talismania? You already gave the 1 line that were your thoughts about prplhz, so I don't have to ask that as well! I have answered every point of your case against me, if there is something that you are still not convinced about , please let me know. Now how about you start talking about people who may actually get lynched today | ||
Erandorr
2283 Posts
| ||
Erandorr
2283 Posts
On August 05 2012 07:28 strongandbig wrote: why does town erandorr do it? it's bad play either way imo. I actually kind of agree. Probably should not have done that , but considering the results I can't be unhappy. | ||
Erandorr
2283 Posts
On August 05 2012 09:11 BroodKingEXE wrote: I have a problem with the top two lynch candidates. WBG: calling out the mason was a good move in my book. But it doesn't make shit sense from the scum POV, scum can kill him regardless of whether or not the town knows the mason. His feud with Eran seems to be long standing and I could believe bugs could get frustrated and rage. prplphz: Although his play has been poor I agree with his initial case against Glasse. Glasse's play was poor and lynch worthy at the time. Furthermore this lynch seems too much like a wagon on an inactive. I feel much more comfortable lynching Eran. Seems like he could be mason scum manipulating bugs, looking to create trouble. He said himself he wanted to create a scumhunting environment, yet he helps initiate a shitstorm in a mason PM. are you. fucking . serious. When someone else opens your pm conversation with "ur bad never play a game of mafia ever again " Then how exactly am I initiating a shitstorm. Since no one except Wbg or Prplhz will get lynched, I will keep my vote on bugs. Also make some effort reading that thing before posting something like that. I am completely fine discussing actual facts, but this feels like I am up against fox news or something. Fuck facts when you can make random statements look like the truth amirite? Broodking. Is that your best case? No this is not an OMGUS, you refute big cases on 2 players without even adressing the points of why people think they are scum. Then you call out me for that? "I look like I could be a scum mason manipulating bugs" and follow up with something that is completely wrong. I mean.. seriously? | ||
Erandorr
2283 Posts
On August 05 2012 10:41 BroodKingEXE wrote: You seemed pretty set on starting a shitstorm in the beggining. I dont believe you masoned WBG to help the town figure out if he was scum, because you PM'ed after the vote. Which means you masoning had no town intent whatsoever. WBGs desicion to out masons doesnt make sense from scum POV, because Mafia can commuinicate out of thread. Worst case scenario he undermined town consensus. Prphlz's three points had merit. Glasses first post was strange even for TL's standards, second post is noncommital, and the third sounded more like a doubt plant. Other than that prphlz's was AFK, so I wasn't going to get behind a lynch where the canidate cant defend himself. What more should I say? Yes. We play dota together. What may that mean. That we actually talk to each other outside of the game. We had no personal problems at all before and played like 5 games in a row together a week ago. We won all of them bar one so there was no frustration. So what could that mean ? THAT THAT WAS FRIENDLY BANTER AT THAT POINT? Why yes, I do believe so. .So thats completely wrong and bad. WBGs desicion to out masons doesnt make sense from scum POV, because Mafia can commuinicate out of thread. Worst case scenario he undermined town consensus. I was staring at this, trying to understand what you are saying. Do you, by this, mean that he can tell his scumbuddies who the masons are and doesn't have to do it in the thread? And thats your entire explanation of the situation? Explain please how "Prplhz's three points had merit" if you would not mind. | ||
Erandorr
2283 Posts
On August 06 2012 03:07 VisceraEyes wrote: 1) I'll post my logs before dawn. I never Skyped, only TL PM'ed, so it won't be a huge eyesore or anything. 2) You're also used to reading games of me getting lynched D1 and D2 for retarded claims and shitty play. I'm trying to tone it down. Evidence of this can be seen in Beururuauruuracracy Mafia, D1 of NMM, etc etc. I'm playing differently - restrained. I can assure you though, I'm reading and have thought. Any reason not to do it now? Any at all? | ||
Erandorr
2283 Posts
On August 06 2012 07:37 CountDropula wrote: Oh ok. Ur mad. Thanks. :D:D:D:D | ||
Erandorr
2283 Posts
Hey VE, would you mind answering a couple of questions? I was leaning town on you agai, but this post really confuses me. Why would he mason Bugs after Bugs just outted me as a mason? It's as simple as that. The answer to that question is simple: because he had reacted in one way, wherebugsgo would certainly out Errandor as mason in the same manner he outted me. I believe he did it as a vehicle to discredit wherebugsgo when he outted him as mason by decrying his "antitown behavior". I actually forgot the most important part about it, rereading my explanation, because it seemed so obvious. I mason'd WBG because I wanted to talk to him in private. I did not understand his move to out you as a mason at all. It still is terrible , I maintain that. I really doubted he would do it again, because it didn't make any sense at all to do it. Now. You tell me that I am the beginning of the chaos. Did you not say that you disagree with his move to out masons? So isn't it natural for me to actually ask questions in the thread? Also, this does not reaaally make that much sense if I am scum. Look at the amout of attention and spotlight I have gotten from this. You seem to think WBG is town, correct? And WBG as town is usually pretty decent, not this terrible raging mess we have seen this game. So why on earth would I mason one of the strongest town players in the game, to call him scum? Do you honestly think any Scum would have the balls to do that? And actually push for his lynch no matter what? I am not tunneling some random lurking noob with 2 posts per day, I am activly going against a proven Vet. What Scum player would do that? I feel the fact that he's trying to appeal to everyone's emotions is indicative of the strength of his argument against wherebugsgo...he wants town to sympathize with him rather than think about the situation logically. It's scummy deflection. Where do I do that? Not even one example, just a blanket statement? What about this ? + Show Spoiler + or this ? + Show Spoiler + On August 04 2012 01:08 Erandorr wrote: Hmm , what about this ? + Show Spoiler + Yes. Thank you Strongandbig. I would like to expand a bit on what you have been saying. Gotta love 8:30 vision appointments. For anyone who doesn't know, from my perspective Erandor and VE share two important traits: One, they both call me scum in every game without fail regardless of their own alignments. Two, they're both awful as town. Right now I lean toward Erandor being terrible, since I don't think as scum he'd stop being lazy long enough to form a coherent sentence. Everyone look at what WBG is doing in this post.Now think about this post and try to see town motivation. As I stated before, I don't call him Scum every game. It just happens that we basicly never had the same alignment before. So when I call him Scum, he usually is Scum. The important part : WBG is not discrediting the arguments, he is trying to discredit the players. That is not something a good town player should ever do without being really frustrated. And there really was no reason for him to be this hyper agressive this early on. Unless he was scum and wanted to create a terrible atmosphere. Look at everything I have posted , look at what StrongandBig and Toad added. And then do the right thing and help us kill Scum. This cant be what you mean either. + Show Spoiler + On August 05 2012 06:35 slOosh wrote: Show nested quote + It goes back to "why would scum WBG do what he did?" Because you say that outing masons is completely anti-town and disagree with what he did. However, this isn't absolute truth as logic is, it is a camp of thought, something like "masons are valuable town resources and should be treated with same respect / care as other traditional blues". His camp of thought is "outing masons is better as a reasonable way to confirm the alignment of the mason, hinder scum use of masons and force them to make subpar shots". The issue is how valuable do you think a mason is. More than a cop? Less than a medic? There isn't a clearcut answer, and trying to come to a consensus inside a game is futile and unproductive. He outted 2 masons without asking them because asking beforehand defeats the whole purpose. Through it we now have varying degrees of town-reads on you and VE. That's a town motive - get more accurate reads on town. You can dispute how it wasn't worth outting a blue, but first you would have to convince everyone that what he did was egregious and utmost scummy, and then you would have to convince us that WBG knew this and chose the "inferior" path and therefore what he did was scummy. Because I think what he did was fine. Am I supporting a scummy thought? I don't think so. It's just different. Several of us (me, Toad, VE) have moved on with varying opinions on WBG. I ask you to do the same. Consider prplhz and talismania. If you still think WBG is scum that's fine, but let's focus as a town and get some discussion on prplhz and talismania, because regardless of today's lynch they are serious contenders for d2 lynch. yeah prplhz deserves to be hammered as well, but it still amazes me that you would reduce the entire case on bugs on the mason thing. I think strongandbigs points were the strongest, to be frank, he found some really good quotes and made some very good points on wbg. Which is funny, because if you read what wbg is writing, he is reducing almost everything that has been written as me tunneling him and I am completely terrible and tunnel him every game*(which is a lie btw. In the Pms he even lied straight to my face and said I called him scum in mini mafia X (where he was scum) when I actually did not consider him. Look at the logs and that game,he is blatantly lying about that) . And it is working. I will keep my vote on WBG unless someone other than him or Prplhz would get lynched, in which case I will move to prpl. No one else though and I would rather see WBG dead than prplhz Last thing. Could you explain from the PM log what made you think WBG is town? Thanks! | ||
Erandorr
2283 Posts
On August 06 2012 12:44 wherebugsgo wrote: Also if it hasn't been obvious already I'm actually under a lot more work and time pressures than I considered earlier. I can't be as active as I am normally but at the very least I'm more active than most of the players in the game. I won't be staying to my normal standards. If you think I am scum go ahead and try to kill me. However at this point I'm going to stop bothering to defend myself as it's a huge waste of my time. Instead I'm going to try to scumhunt (I didn't do that earlier since I was distracted by Erandorr) Hey WBG, would you mind rationally clearing this up for me. Why do you make it sound like the entire case on you is centered on the mason thing at the beginning, which is part of it, but not even that deciding. I already stated that I believe strongandbigs points to be very good, but you don't even bother to answer them. They have very little to nothing to do with the mason thing, yet you claim this entire case has been focused on that. Which is completely untrue. And you make it sound like I am the only one behind it , and as I said completely ignoring the valid points of a player. Could you just clear the air once and explain yourself again, but this time adressing the stuff that has actually been said and not what you make it sound like? | ||
Erandorr
2283 Posts
On August 07 2012 06:53 VisceraEyes wrote: @Bugs Looking at talis' activity, I'm less inclined to vote him. I mean - I get the case on me and I can't refute it...it's based almost entirely around the quality of my case against him, which I'll admit is fairly bad. That being said, I've masoned talis and we'll see where my read on him goes from here. Errandor is looking like the best target today - we've now flipped a town mason, so theoretically speaking lynching into the masons is a good plan if we're subscribing to the idea that scum must have masons. That aside, I had a scum read leaving N1 and that hasn't changed. I feel like his defense against my points fails to address the main crux of my argument which is that rather than argue his points logically, he's more interested in turning town AGAINST you appealing to their emotions. It just sucks for him that most everyone KNOWS you're a bastard regardless of alignment. And in response to your first question...no guy. 5 out of what 20? players isn't enough. I'm thoroughly DISatisfied with town's activity right now. Hopefully I'll be able to add something more to the conversation soon. Hey. Would you mind answering my questions ? I really don't want to repeat myself again , since you are saying absolutely nothing new at all. I feel like his defense against my points fails to address the main crux of my argument which is that rather than argue his points logically, he's more interested in turning town AGAINST you appealing to their emotions. It just sucks for him that most everyone KNOWS you're a bastard regardless of alignment. yeah especially this part. So, I gave you 4-5 posts of mine where I use logic to display my case against wbg, and ask you to prove that I am you... know.. not doing that , instead doing what you tell wbg I am doing. It is rather silly to fight air like this, when people don't even try to prove their cases and instead get away with random shitty scummy comments like that. Would you please go back to the last post where I adressed you, go through it and answer it? After all you want the best lynch and not something retarded thats convenient if you are town, right? | ||
Erandorr
2283 Posts
| ||
Erandorr
2283 Posts
On August 07 2012 09:01 VisceraEyes wrote: Erand you're like...not HEARING logic bro! Bugs already told you why he outted us as masons, and you didn't accept his reasoning! While it inconvenienced my use of the power (as far as like...sneakily getting scum to tell me their seekrits or whatever) it has actually HELPED town in that it has given the rest of the players OUTSIDE of the three of us a means to further their reads on all of us. slOosh said this. I've said this. Yet what do you do when asked to logically argue your case? You point to the same 4 or 5 ILLOGICAL POSTS on the matter!! You have failed to say why Bugs, your #1 scumread atm, is scummy in any kind of coherent way short of "He's a meaniehead!" You have failed to explain why you would, after knowing he outted me as mason, mason Bugs if your status as Mason is so damned precious. Let me ask YOU Erand: you think Bugs' move to "out the masons" was "anti-town" right? Then what was YOUR move to mason Bugs KNOWING he was going to out you to the thread? ITS THE EXACT SAME THING! Except when Bugs did it he did it with the intent of giving information to the thread. When you masoned Bugs, it was surreptitious...sneaky. Like look at the options: 1) Bugs outs you as mason. "SCUM!!! He shouldn't do that it's ANTITOWN!!" 2) Bugs does NOT out you as mason. "SCUMM!!!!! Why would he out VE and not me?!" There's literally no situation in which he could be town bro! You did that knowing what you were going to think of him! SO WHY DO IT IN THE FIRST PLACE?!?!? ##Vote: Erandorr Smooches, bro. Couple of simple questions : 1) what about the logs(your pms with wbg) made you think wbg is town? Several people asked this and you sort of forgot to answer it. 2)Did you miss the part where I explained 30 times that its not at all about the mason thing anymore? 3) 2) Bugs does NOT out you as mason. "SCUMM!!!!! Why would he out VE and not me?!" No. It would have been me asking him in a PM why he outed VE. Why do you reduce the mason role to that? Wbg is a proven player, and as I stated before, the most important part of masoning someone is wanting to talk to them in private. I know thats hard for you to comprehend, given the pm logs between you and him. He did something I completely disagreed with, so I wanted to know why. In private. Now in my opinion, outing me like that after having done nothing at all that benifits town made me lean very much scum on him. We have been over this enough 4) I wrote something earlier, which you obviously completely ignored. Could you go back to this and answer it? Also, this does not reaaally make that much sense if I am scum. Look at the amout of attention and spotlight I have gotten from this. You seem to think WBG is town, correct? And WBG as town is usually pretty decent, not this terrible raging mess we have seen this game. So why on earth would I mason one of the strongest town players in the game, to call him scum? Do you honestly think any Scum would have the balls to do that? And actually push for his lynch no matter what? I am not tunneling some random lurking noob with 2 posts per day, I am activly going against a proven Vet. What Scum player would do that? 5) You have failed to say why Bugs, your #1 scumread atm, is scummy in any kind of coherent way short of "He's a meaniehead!" You repeat this quite often. Where have I done this? | ||
Erandorr
2283 Posts
| ||
Erandorr
2283 Posts
Can you please look at those quotes in context? 1st quote: I respond to who seem to think that the raging started with me, not him 2nd : I think his rage is was a tool to dodge any questions he did not want to answer. 3rd: is a response to that guy accusing me of being as guilty of raging as wbg, and using it as part of a case vs me. its not me whining, its me clarifying something someone is not willing to see. 4th: the same, broodking accuses me of starting the shitstorm so once again I try to use "facts" No I didn't miss it, I don't give a FUCK what your accusation against Bugs is about Erand you're like...not HEARING logic bro! Bugs already told you why he outted us as masons, and you didn't accept his reasoning! While it inconvenienced my use of the power (as far as like...sneakily getting scum to tell me their seekrits or whatever) it has actually HELPED town in that it has given the rest of the players OUTSIDE of the three of us a means to further their reads on all of us. slOosh said this. I've said this. Yet what do you do when asked to logically argue your case? You point to the same 4 or 5 ILLOGICAL POSTS on the matter!! Liar. About the "wifom" I think you are scum at this point. If you are town then you are one of the biggest morons I have ever seen called "good" at mafia. I also think you probably are scum with WBG, at least I hope you are WBG VE Jingles Broodking Some other random lurker (hassy,bio...? ) ##Vote wbg I am out, good luck with the game. | ||
Erandorr
2283 Posts
| ||
Erandorr
2283 Posts
| ||
| ||