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On August 10 2012 14:48 Lazermonkey wrote:
Talis needs to die. We cannot judge him by his defense. There are two possible explanation for his play here.
1) He is miller.
2) He is scum but wants to act as miller as it's the only way he might survive.
Out of these two 2 is much more likely than 1. So unless you had a very convincing town read to start with, you should vote him.
That's exactly the point. I'm not even saying what talis is posting is looking more like a mafia (except for the fact that he's leaving out the mafia scenarios when talking but no idea how you guys think about that) but if he is mafia he can't just get in here and tell people
"sup dudes, I got a red check on me, ignore it and lynch someone else because I say so".
He has to deal with it no matter of alignment.
Besides I'd be up for lynching Zeph as well. I don't realy like how he was so furious and mad about someone breaking the rules and suddenly went on to sweettalk me like that when he said "Toad is't not your fault. Xsebt is the guy who did something wrong".
I get that you're mad if someone breaks the rules but it felt over the top. Not even Talis was anywhere as mad and he's the center of all this after all.
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Because Xsebt is the one who broke the rules(PMing you first); you outed him as the "rule breaker". That's the right thing to do; If you hid him forever(or until post-game at least), then I'd be really mad.
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Don't we seriously need some clarification from hosts here? You can't have players running around PMing each other willy nilly, it's not right. Currently we're making a massive lynch decision based on a DT randomly PMing someone. Surely we cannot proceed like this?
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Well duh. I told you at least 3 times to ignore it, stop asking about it and pretend like I never said a thing about it.
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it's not something that can be ignored. It's something that needs to be dealt with.
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On August 10 2012 23:20 marvellosity wrote:
it's not something that can be ignored. It's something that needs to be dealt with.
well but BC is most likely not going to confirm a thing. Right now what we have is a public claim. Believe it or not but the moment BC comes in this thread and confirms it that's a modconfirmed red DT check on someone.
He can't do that so again, take from it what you want. I can't prove a thing but you wanted me to tell you anyways. BC is most likely going to act with the next night-post or maybe even not before postgame, who knows.
We're best to assume there's not going to be a word from BC about this.
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does anyone think Zeph is town and if so why?
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Well, he seems sort of scummy, but his biggest attacker is CD, who I really have my doubts about.
That said, I don't think CD's alignment would be indicative of Zeph's, but I think he's a higher read, personally.
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yeah, but i'm not interested in lynching CD right now 
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On August 11 2012 00:08 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2012 23:20 marvellosity wrote:
it's not something that can be ignored. It's something that needs to be dealt with. well but BC is most likely not going to confirm a thing. Right now what we have is a public claim. Believe it or not but the moment BC comes in this thread and confirms it that's a modconfirmed red DT check on someone. He can't do that so again, take from it what you want. I can't prove a thing but you wanted me to tell you anyways. BC is most likely going to act with the next night-post or maybe even not before postgame, who knows. We're best to assume there's not going to be a word from BC about this. Well xsebt is confirmed DT anyway. There is no fucking way that he guessed both your and Talismanias name unless all three of you are scum. Or if he hacked BC account... But that is modkill material as well I guess : D.
I do by no means think that Xsebt did the right thing but ignoring it would be silly as well. Like really silly. We must lynch Talis today. The only reason for someone not to vote him is if you actually got a solid town read on him. If you are even the slightest unsure of his alignment or even think he is suspicious you SHOULD vote him. NAO! The only way we don't get a scum today is if Talis would flip miller and that is quite unlikely.
Also, Talis posting and begging for not getting lynched since the DT claim means nothing, like I've already said. It's not like scum would be like ''Ow, GG guys you got me''. He is obviously trying to look like a miller no matter what alignment he is.
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Actually, like I already said, unless he presents a truly strong target, like a perfect case, we should still kill him. Unless he's able to prove himself to be worth the gamble of potentially having alive at MYLO/LYLO when he's been redchecked, he's a liability.
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It seems as though you want a part in my play, Jinglehell
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On August 10 2012 12:39 talismania wrote:
No
So certain...
Talismania, you are no miller...
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On August 11 2012 01:15 CountDropula wrote:
It seems as though you want a part in my play, Jinglehell
Well, I'd be delighted. You play Julius Caesar, and I'll play Brutus.
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Out of the two Count Drop is definetly more scummy than Zephird. Count Drops posts are only about Zeph and make no sense whatsoever. On the Talis issue while he has been one of the most active players, a red check shant be ignored and I would be up for lynching him. No way risk it.
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I have yet to see a post from xsebt verifying any of this dt business. I can think of a situation where scum could conceivably come across the mis-spelt name through other roles referring to his character.
Considering Xsebt might have had a scum read on talis, he's been surprisingly quiet about it. I have a really hard time buying into this lynch with one pm worth of evidence. I have a town read on talis based on his responses to the DT claim.
I'm leaving my vote on VE until we see something a little more credible.
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On August 11 2012 01:43 Hopeless1der wrote:
I have yet to see a post from xsebt verifying any of this dt business. I can think of a situation where scum could conceivably come across the mis-spelt name through other roles referring to his character.
Considering Xsebt might have had a scum read on talis, he's been surprisingly quiet about it. I have a really hard time buying into this lynch with one pm worth of evidence. I have a town read on talis based on his responses to the DT claim.
I'm leaving my vote on VE until we see something a little more credible.
-_- He knows Talis' PM name. This has been confirmed.
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Let's talk about this game.
Scum: you guys know how good of a position you're in. You can win without losing a member.
Town: I don't think it's really set in for most of you how terrible of a position you're in. Let me explain it again.
Right now there are 11 town and 5 scum.
Here's what will probably happen: I'm lynched, jingle and marv are killed at night, toad is still completely wrong the next day and zephirdd gets lynched, GG flawless scum victory. The only real chance is if when I actually do flip miller toad (assuming he's town) actually realizes that he's just been completely wrong about everything in this game and genuinely re-evaluates the situation and sees that VE is the most obviously scummy person in this game. Sidenote: if this doesn't happen people need to look at toad more carefully because I can't imagine him being wrong for that long is weird even for his standards.
Alternate scenarios:
(1) I'm lynched and flip miller, jingle and marv are killed. 8 - 5, lylo. VE or BKE is finally lynched, lazer and toad killed. 6 - 4, lylo. The other of VE or BKE is lynched. 2 other townies killed. 4 - 3, lylo. Count Dropula or Hier gets lynched (depending on what xsebt says), then it will be 3 - 2 the next day. Then 2 - 1. So to say it again,
If I am lynched, town will be at lylo from now until they lose or lynch all five scum in a row*
*Of course, this is barring medic protects. However, the medics should be on xsebt. Scum may attempt to double stack on xsebt, gambling that there's only one medic too, which might reduce the NK. And of course, if there's still vig shots out there then that can accelerate or decelerate the game.
(2) I'm lynched and flip scum. VE and synystyr NK'd I guess? 9 - 4. Not a terrible position but not great either. One mislynch (say, zephirdd) puts it at 6 - 4 and right back to lylo. Also it won't happen because I'm not scum.
(3) VE or hassy gets lynched today and flips scum. 9 - 4 but people actually realize that I was right. I'll probably be NK'd but that's a tricky play for scum given that I do have a red check. If they leave me alive I'll be able to lead at least one other scum lynch, putting town in the advantage. This is the best case scenario. Too bad I don't think you'll be convinced.
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why do you think zeph is town, talis?
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