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On August 10 2012 10:13 Hier wrote:
Talis, or we can lynch you today, after Xsebt gets modkilled and flips town DT, sounds good? You kind of assume you are a miller.
No, no modkill.
Town didn't get the modkill of hassy, you guys don't get the modkill of xsebt. BC has been lenient and fair. My bet is xsebt didn't even know he was breaking the rules. He probably misunderstood how masons work. Lord knows he hasn't been paying that close of attention to the thread.
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now I can't sleep 
On August 10 2012 10:01 Hopeless1der wrote:
That breadcrumb needs more bread. Or crumb. Or something. That was pretty useless imo. I hope to be back in 3ish hours to check back on the thread.
Unless we get some direction from BC/Rasta on what the hell just happened this discussion needs to be tabled for later imo.
Reads, cases, all that good stuff. Let's get back on course here.
Well the message emphasizes d1 3 times, and it has "default scum" in quotation marks after talis' name.
Why did he say he's a "default scum" read instead of just saying Talis is one of his mafia reads? Why the quotation marks out of nowhere?
Check is filter and you'll see that he starts tunneling Talis like CRAZY ever after that post and does nothing besides voting him.
On August 10 2012 10:03 talismania wrote:
Bottom line:
xsebt - DT
talismania - miller
toad - town mason
jinglehell - town mason
VE - scum mason
hassybaby - scum mason (?)
BKE - scum goon
Count Dropula - scum godfather (Sinensis smurf - has to be someone who played with zeph in NMM II)
hier - scum goon
I think I know who the vig is as well but I won't say.
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I say we lynch VE and have xsebt check BKE. If neither comes up red, lynch me tomorrow.
See either you are mafia or this guy is mafia right now. That being said I don't really like following your advice in this situation.
Sure could be you're a miller, this guy is really a DT and I successfully killed two townies with one lynch (lynched a miller and got a DT modkilled) but come on, how likely is that? You're the top mafia read that isn't a vet for everyone in this game for a reason.
I said your set-up speculation isn't alignment indicating but you're still scummy. That doesn't make you town.
Seeing how Eran said jingle has to be mafia, how s&b said jingle has to be mafia and how he's reacting this last couple of hours I'm not to set on hassy being the mafia mason either.
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Toad I hear you but you're wrong. You've played scum with me. And you played scum with me when I was trying my hardest as scum. Was I even remotely as invested in that game as I am in this one? Was I anywhere near as active? It's pretty simple really. I hate playing scum. I don't try hard. I just try to bus or be bussed. Look at I can't believe it's not themed. Look at bang bang 2 (which you were also in).
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And also, toad, for the love of god why do you think xsebt is mafia or I'm mafia. Neither of us are. His behavior is EXACTLY what it should be for a DT that gets a redcheck (although I might have considered claiming it outright in his case).
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On August 10 2012 10:16 talismania wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2012 10:13 Hier wrote:
Talis, or we can lynch you today, after Xsebt gets modkilled and flips town DT, sounds good? You kind of assume you are a miller. No, no modkill. Town didn't get the modkill of hassy, you guys don't get the modkill of xsebt. BC has been lenient and fair. My bet is xsebt didn't even know he was breaking the rules. He probably misunderstood how masons work. Lord knows he hasn't been paying that close of attention to the thread.
Regardless, you believed Toad about Xsebt being a DT and about what he revealed. Your lynch still makes sense.
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Toad, you're ranting on and on about how good you are at getting townies killed, and you want to make me out to be scum because I was wrong about the guy? If Xsebt shows up and claims, I'm more than happy to lynch on a DT claim. I'm curious what, out of me wanting more information, makes me somehow scummy.
And I don't like how you're screaming Talis is some giant scumread, when he's basically been lower on the radar than a lot of people who ended up dead, all of whom YOU were pushing for.
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On August 10 2012 10:21 talismania wrote:
And also, toad, for the love of god why do you think xsebt is mafia or I'm mafia. Neither of us are. His behavior is EXACTLY what it should be for a DT that gets a redcheck (although I might have considered claiming it outright in his case).
I'm not taking the possibility of you being a miller as a chance.
Either he is a mafia who tried he could manipulate me by claiming DT in pms without realizing how masons work, in which case you're town.
Or he is a DT and found a mafia when checking you.
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On August 10 2012 10:22 JingleHell wrote:
Toad, you're ranting on and on about how good you are at getting townies killed, and you want to make me out to be scum because I was wrong about the guy? If Xsebt shows up and claims, I'm more than happy to lynch on a DT claim. I'm curious what, out of me wanting more information, makes me somehow scummy.
And I don't like how you're screaming Talis is some giant scumread, when he's basically been lower on the radar than a lot of people who ended up dead, all of whom YOU were pushing for.
I told people to protect sloOsh, I said grush is a townie, I said Eran is a townie and only idiots would vote him and I said s&b is a townie.
The only one being dead I pushed for was prplhz. Well and wbg who probably got shot but he was pushing for his own death himself so that one doesn't count.
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On August 10 2012 10:22 JingleHell wrote:
Toad, you're ranting on and on about how good you are at getting townies killed, and you want to make me out to be scum because I was wrong about the guy? If Xsebt shows up and claims, I'm more than happy to lynch on a DT claim. I'm curious what, out of me wanting more information, makes me somehow scummy.
And I don't like how you're screaming Talis is some giant scumread, when he's basically been lower on the radar than a lot of people who ended up dead, all of whom YOU were pushing for.
Also I'm not ranting about how you are (are you?) wrong about the guy. I'm ranting about your reaction and how you're protecting him out of nowhere, without giving a reason or anything at all, without doubting for a second that Talis has to be the townie in this set-up. That's the reason I'm reconsidering you.
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On August 10 2012 10:16 Toadesstern wrote:now I can't sleep Show nested quote +On August 10 2012 10:01 Hopeless1der wrote:
That breadcrumb needs more bread. Or crumb. Or something. That was pretty useless imo. I hope to be back in 3ish hours to check back on the thread.
Unless we get some direction from BC/Rasta on what the hell just happened this discussion needs to be tabled for later imo.
Reads, cases, all that good stuff. Let's get back on course here. Well the message emphasizes d1 3 times, and it has "default scum" in quotation marks after talis' name. Why did he say he's a "default scum" read instead of just saying Talis is one of his mafia reads? Why the quotation marks out of nowhere? Check is filter and you'll see that he starts tunneling Talis like CRAZY ever after that post and does nothing besides voting him.
Read the spoiler.
+ Show Spoiler +On August 05 2012 18:33 talismania wrote:
summary thoughts after re-reading:
toad has moved from scummy to townie in my head. many small things that suggest more effort than I see him putting in as scum.
VE I think is scum both from his attitude, his lack of promised scumhunting, and the reason he picked for voting me.
Hassybaby I think is scum for being too cautious sounding and not actually contributing novel stuff. He also gets baited by my setup talk.
xsebt is default scum in my mind until he does something besides show up and make one incredibly wishy-washy post near deadline.
wbg has an outside chance of being scum and wanting to sacrifice himself for some reason but I actually think he's more likely to be town.
strongandbig and jinglehell both need to stop digging their tunnels and talk about other stuff for a while. jingle in particular has moved from town to neutral for his odd persistence.
hopeless1der makes scummy posts but overall seems townie to me. Like his post composition soudns like scum, but what he's doing seems townlike. In particular the part where he said he was going to check into zephirdd and then he actually did.
synystyr I think is scum until proven innocent for his excitement/activity discrepancy.
I have my eye on glasse/dropula even though both are sort of loosely in my neutral/town category in my mind. I'm eager to see their promised activity in the future. From glasse, his promised read on toad. And from dropula, living up to this call to action for a more active thread.
I think that's it, time for bed. On August 05 2012 21:00 XsebT wrote:
I agree that countdropula's voting pattern and reasoning during d1 is pointing towards scum. He is all over the place with his accusations. Lazermonkey's analysis points this out quite well.
Talismania, I was too inactive during d1, so a "default scum" accusation is probably in its place. If you keep having concerns, just ask me more direct questions. I'm not quite able to keep up with you guys when it comes to posting. I will be brief and to the point when posting.
That said, I don't know why you would throw out so many scum accusations so early on, while already in the spotlight with wbg from d1. You should fear for your own survival in this game. If you're town, I consider the accusations a bad move. Does that seem like an acceptable reason for the phrase "default scum"?
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On August 10 2012 10:23 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2012 10:21 talismania wrote:
And also, toad, for the love of god why do you think xsebt is mafia or I'm mafia. Neither of us are. His behavior is EXACTLY what it should be for a DT that gets a redcheck (although I might have considered claiming it outright in his case). I'm not taking the possibility of you being a miller as a chance. Either he is a mafia who tried he could manipulate me by claiming DT in pms without realizing how masons work, in which case you're town. Or he is a DT and found a mafia when checking you.
toad toad TOAD
aghgh hahahaha.
It's on your shoulders here I think. By the way, can you actually post the PMs? We need to treat this like a public claim, so I'd like to see exactly what he wrote. There's a chance I can actually prove that he's a DT, so this is very important.
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On August 10 2012 10:27 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2012 10:22 JingleHell wrote:
Toad, you're ranting on and on about how good you are at getting townies killed, and you want to make me out to be scum because I was wrong about the guy? If Xsebt shows up and claims, I'm more than happy to lynch on a DT claim. I'm curious what, out of me wanting more information, makes me somehow scummy.
And I don't like how you're screaming Talis is some giant scumread, when he's basically been lower on the radar than a lot of people who ended up dead, all of whom YOU were pushing for. Also I'm not ranting about how you are (are you?) wrong about the guy. I'm ranting about your reaction and how you're protecting him out of nowhere, without giving a reason or anything at all, without doubting for a second that Talis has to be the townie in this set-up. That's the reason I'm reconsidering you.
I'm perfectly willing to admit my read on him was wrong, if it was, and if we have a DT claim I'll vote with it. I've elaborated more than once on why I thought Talis was town, if you can't be assed to track it down, let me help.
For one his measured job in skype of helping me get past my Eran tunnel. I can't imagine a scum motive for that. For two, he's not afraid to change his mind if there's a reason, but he doesn't do it at the drop of a hat.
Doing that while being active isn't very scummy normally. Add in that on several reads we had similar opinions, and on the ones where we didn't, we were able to discuss it productively, he just didn't feel scum.
You'll understand, of course, if I let you do the footwork for yourself to corroborate this, because I've already done my part in saying it. You can try the filter button on any of my posts to make it easier to sift through and find where I've said it.
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To reiterate:
Toad, mason me if you haven't masoned someone already.
Toad, post the exact PMs xsebt sent you. There's a small chance they contain a tiny bit of information that proves that he is a DT.
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On August 10 2012 10:33 talismania wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2012 10:23 Toadesstern wrote:On August 10 2012 10:21 talismania wrote:
And also, toad, for the love of god why do you think xsebt is mafia or I'm mafia. Neither of us are. His behavior is EXACTLY what it should be for a DT that gets a redcheck (although I might have considered claiming it outright in his case). I'm not taking the possibility of you being a miller as a chance. Either he is a mafia who tried he could manipulate me by claiming DT in pms without realizing how masons work, in which case you're town. Or he is a DT and found a mafia when checking you. toad toad TOAD aghgh hahahaha. It's on your shoulders here I think. By the way, can you actually post the PMs? We need to treat this like a public claim, so I'd like to see exactly what he wrote. There's a chance I can actually prove that he's a DT, so this is very important.
I guess. If I'm going to be in trouble for saying stuff although BC told me not to I'm probably already in trouble...:
#1, Maybe important notes: He misspelled names
Original Message From XsebT: [... Actually the 2nd pm is of no use ...] Show nested quote +Original Message From Toadesstern: Going to doublecheck with BC before answering people in pm's :p Original Message From XsebT:
Good morning Peter Cambell the Mason!
Let me introduce my self, I'm Michael Ginsberg the Detective.
Anyway, let's stop fucking around and lynch Talismania, shall we? I DT checked him the first night where he flipped as Henry Francais the Mafia Goon. You've been suspicious of him your self, but also kind of brought down that suspicion because the effort he is putting in to the game. You need to see through his bullshit.
Your accusation have been kind of a spree in this game, but I feel comfortable in this check - that you're town.
[... Part I feel like leaving out because he's talking about what he's going to do the next night ...]
Talismania is today's lynch.
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On August 10 2012 10:13 Hier wrote:
Talis, or we can lynch you today, after Xsebt gets modkilled and flips town DT, sounds good? You kind of assume you are a miller.
Does this smell incredibly off to anyone else? Like I can't logically put my finger on it but my brain is screaming at me that this is a scumslip or something. Like, if he's saying that xsebt is going to flip town DT, then why does he state after that that I assume I'm a miller? What else do I assume in that case? Like, is he trying to say that I am incorrectly assuming that I'm a miller, and therefore that xsebt is scum? That's the only logical way to interpret those two sentences but I'm fairly sure that's not what he was getting at.
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OK XSEBT IS INDEED A DT
I can confirm that in my role PM, my character's name is spelled incorrectly as Henry Francais. The actual character is Henry Francis (I think). More importantly, I posted Henry Francis, not Francais in the thread.
The only way xsebt would have written Francais is if he is indeed the DT.
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On August 10 2012 10:41 talismania wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2012 10:13 Hier wrote:
Talis, or we can lynch you today, after Xsebt gets modkilled and flips town DT, sounds good? You kind of assume you are a miller. Does this smell incredibly off to anyone else? Like I can't logically put my finger on it but my brain is screaming at me that this is a scumslip or something. Like, if he's saying that xsebt is going to flip town DT, then why does he state after that that I assume I'm a miller? What else do I assume in that case? Like, is he trying to say that I am incorrectly assuming that I'm a miller, and therefore that xsebt is scum? That's the only logical way to interpret those two sentences but I'm fairly sure that's not what he was getting at.
he's trying to say you're trying to hard to sell the idea that you're a miller while the assumption that you're a mafia makes way more sense unless we're in your position and you REALLY are a townie miller.
From our point the assumption that you're a miller makes no sense.
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He's trying to convey that, yes. But why "You assume you are miller". What the fuck else am I supposed to assume? I have a PM that says townie, and I have a pretty much guaranteed DT with a red check on me. Why would I assume I'm scum LOL
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Look if you guys feel you have to lynch me, then fine. You'll have one mislynch to give before you're at LYLO. That said I will keep fighting until the end because I honor my wincon.
Here's the list of roles in the game, for those who missed it earlier:
xsebt - DT
talismania - miller
toad - town mason
jinglehell - town mason
VisceraEyes - scum mason
hassybaby - scum mason
BroodKingEXE - scum goon
CountDropula - scum godfather
Hier - scum goon
If you follow that list, you will win. (Hopefully if I'm wrong I'm not TOO wrong).
Toad, they'll probably keep you alive because of how wrong you've been and likely will continue to be. If I can't convince you today then I hope you can swallow your pride and start fresh after I die.
Medics, protect xsebt.
Xsebt, check BKE first, then hier, then synystyr, then glasse.
Marvellosity, Jingle, maybe lazermonkey. You guys will have to be town leaders after I'm dead. Marv I know you're not invested in this game since you weren't in it at the beginning but please try to win it for us.
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