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Hier
2391 Posts
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talismania
United States2364 Posts
On August 10 2012 10:44 talismania wrote: OK XSEBT IS INDEED A DT I can confirm that in my role PM, my character's name is spelled incorrectly as Henry Francais. The actual character is Henry Francis (I think). More importantly, I posted Henry Francis, not Francais in the thread. The only way xsebt would have written Francais is if he is indeed the DT. By the way for those with an open mind out there still, why the fuck would I do what I do in this quoted post if I were scum? LOL | ||
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talismania
United States2364 Posts
On August 10 2012 10:56 Hier wrote: Talis, grats on 2k. Thanks, gratz on getting lucky with me being miller. | ||
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talismania
United States2364 Posts
Vote VE. If he is not scum, lynch me tomorrow and I will paypal everyone who voted him 20 USD (after the game so as not to break communication rules). | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
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Hier
2391 Posts
On August 10 2012 10:57 talismania wrote: Thanks, gratz on getting lucky with me being miller. Ok so, wait. I must have missed the memo. You think I'm scum purely based on the fact that I think that you being scum is more likely than you being a miller? Because I saw no accusations from you before this point. That kind of makes you look more scummy. | ||
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
On August 10 2012 10:59 talismania wrote: So I don't see anything about this in the rules anywhere: Vote VE. If he is not scum, lynch me tomorrow and I will paypal everyone who voted him 20 USD (after the game so as not to break communication rules). Jesus christ. Cheating Cheating includes (but is not limited to): 9. Betting items outside of the game in exchange for in-game benefits. It's XLVII all over again... | ||
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talismania
United States2364 Posts
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talismania
United States2364 Posts
On August 10 2012 11:01 Hier wrote: Ok so, wait. I must have missed the memo. You think I'm scum purely based on the fact that I think that you being scum is more likely than you being a miller? Because I saw no accusations from you before this point. That kind of makes you look more scummy. Eh you're the one I'm least sure about definitely. It's between you glasse and synystyr. Synystyr is up there with you since he continuously fails his activity standards and hasn't contributed much to the game. I'll rethink things after a break so that I can settle down and give my final reads out for people to follow once I'm dead and flipped. | ||
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talismania
United States2364 Posts
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talismania
United States2364 Posts
On August 10 2012 10:59 talismania wrote: So I don't see anything about this in the rules anywhere: Vote VE. If he is not scum, lynch me tomorrow and I will paypal everyone who voted him 20 USD (after the game so as not to break communication rules). For the record please disregard this post - I skimmed the rules and missed this. I know it felt wrong but what can I say there's a part of me that always looks for ways to game the system. | ||
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CountDropula
United States61 Posts
Will you vote zeph with me? | ||
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talismania
United States2364 Posts
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talismania
United States2364 Posts
(1) Why am I a goon? Mafia got to pick their own roles. Look at the players left in this game. Imagine that I am scum. What other three players in this game, on my scum team, would end up with mason (assuming there are two scum masons) and godfather? Toad? VE? Toad obviously isn't scum with me. Neither is VE. Hassy? The only thing Hassy has done is point out suspicious things I've done. So what - GF goes to a lurky new guy over me? I love the mason role. I don't know for sure if I would have taken it as scum because it is kind of fraught with peril but I for sure would have taken GF over goon and who else in this game could claim as much? Why, if I'm a goon, do behave like this? So actively, playing exactly to my town meta. Why do I even talk about setup shit if I'm a goon lol. As GF, sure. But goon? No way. (2) Who the hell are my scumbuddies? No scum have died yet. Let's look at the remaining players. I'll do this off the top of my head: VE - wants me lynched. I want him lynched. toad - very publicly vacillated on me. Can't be my scumbuddy or he doesn't bring up this whole stink. zephirdd - called me scum D1. Called me scum N2 (with VE for some reason). Hassybaby - only thing he's talked about is my setup talk and cast suspicion thereon. And I've been very public about not minding him getting lynched either. xsebt - obviously not my scumbuddy count dropula - wants me dead. Voted me D1 before changing, has promoted me to scum-marionette. synystyr - wants me lynched. lazer - no problem voting for me today. Ok that's all I remember off the top of my head let's look at the remaining filters hopeless1der - voted me day 1 hier - has called me scum, wanted to lynch me or erandorr D2 BKE - no real stance on me, but I want him checked by the DT and lynched. jinglehell - used to think I was town glasse - no real stance on me that I see. marv - said I was town. Clearly from this the only conclusion is that my whole scum strategy is to bus all my teammates and get bussed by them. I've done that before, or tried to, in I can't believe it's not themed mini (filter here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=351147&user=32774 ). Compare the activity in those two filters. What happened when I was under duress? I gave up and waited to be lynched. Is that what I'm doing now? This leads us to the next point: (3) My Meta I like playing town. I dislike playing scum. When I'm town I'm active, when I'm scum I'm inactive. The only scum game I've tried in was Pick Your Poison and I know I'm playing way more actively and aggressively than I ever did in that game (filter here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=340727&user=32774 ). Other mafia game filters: BangBang2: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=340480&user=32774. Compare those to SSB64: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=348072&user=32774 and Bastard 2: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=343892&user=32774 Especially read SSB64. I was town and was mislynched. Toad you should know this better than anyone. Did I give up? Did I ever stop trying? No. I knew I was the only townie who had the game figured out at that point, and I knew it was my job to convince the other townies. They stubbornly refused to listen and I ended up getting lynched, shot, and we lost the game. Of course I was culpable to some degree. How did I get in trouble that game? Toad you know the answer - I speculated (correctly, by the way) about the nature of the setup. Contrast that with I Can't Believe It's Not Themed where I gave up as fast as I could as mafia getting lynched (Mattchew and Dropbear were my scumbuddies for those reading the filter). (4) N2 Night kills Why do I, as scum, kill solstice and strongandbig? Both of them were on the same page as I when it came to VE. If I'm scum, then clearly a major part of my plan is to get VE lynched. Why do I make that intentionally harder on myself? I don't. I kill toad in that situation, 100% of the time. I also kill the person whom I believe is the vigilante. Scum picked those two because it suited their purposes (reduced focus on VE) plus they thought it would be funny if they kept picking the targets that I said should be defended. As far as N1 goes, I agree and would have double-stacked sloosh, assuming that's what happened and gambled on there only being one medic or one of them deciding not to protect him. (5) Why the hell do I do this? Why am I convinced Xsebt is town DT, instead of scum? Why aren't I arguing against him? Why, instead, did I go out of my way to get toad to post exactly what was in those PMs, because I knew that if it said "Henry Francais" instead of "Henry Francis" then he had to be a DT as only I and BC were privy to that spelling in my PM. I was asking for this very early on today: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=352668¤tpage=62#1229 _________________ At the end of the day, what is more likely?: --That I'm a crazy scum who chose goon over godfather, set out to bus all my teammates or be bussed by them, stated who I would be killing every night just for the shits and even risked directing medic protection at who I picked, and have managed to play to my town meta better than I've ever done in my life. (Seriously people just count the number of pages in the filters). --That I'm a townie miller. | ||
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talismania
United States2364 Posts
1. Hassybaby 2. mrzentor 3. Toadesstern 4. visceraeyes 5. BroodKingEXE 6. talismania 7. lazermonkey 8. Hopeless1der 9. jinglehell 10. zephirdd 11. XsebT 12. Hier 13. Glasse 14. CountDropula 15. Marv 16. Synystyr So right now it's 11 - 5 Assuming I'm mislynched, that puts us at 10 - 5, then 2 night kills, 8 - 5. That's essentially lylo. Mislynch and you have to pray for a medic save. That means every day a scum has to be lynched. Upshot: lynch me, likely lose the game. Do what I say, have a fighting chance. Fellow townies, please take this seriously. Ask me as many questions as you need to. Please take the time to check my meta. Please read my posts thoroughly. I will be as succinct and direct as possible. | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
I don't want to lynch for information, and I don't want to screw up our odds. But I still want to trust my town read on you. If you can sway enough people on a lynch I'd prefer to get behind, I'll swap my vote up. If you're wrong, we take it as scum confirmation and off you instead. I gave a lot of reasons for my town read on you, and I'm sure that scummy people with an agenda will be targeting me after today's lynch no matter how it goes, since I believe you, so I might as well follow my gut. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On August 10 2012 13:36 JingleHell wrote: You know, as much as I really never got a scum vibe off you, and as much as your argument here is making sense (with at least quick glimpses at filter for activity), even if we assume miller, having a red check alive at MYLO/LYLO is terrible for reaching critical consensus when the scum numbers are coming so close to townie. I don't want to lynch for information, and I don't want to screw up our odds. But I still want to trust my town read on you. If you can sway enough people on a lynch I'd prefer to get behind, I'll swap my vote up. If you're wrong, we take it as scum confirmation and off you instead. I gave a lot of reasons for my town read on you, and I'm sure that scummy people with an agenda will be targeting me after today's lynch no matter how it goes, since I believe you, so I might as well follow my gut. This post makes no sense to me. Why would anyone target you regardless of the outcome of this lynch? Between the two of you, you come out WAY ahead in the townie department in your logs with talis...the fact that you have logs with talis ALONE pretty much exonerates you from being scum if talis flips scum, barring some kind of crazy fake-mason-log insanity I don't even want to imagine... You either believe in your town read or you don't. You can't conditionally believe he's town based on whether he's able to swing the lynch or not, and that's EXACTLY what you're saying here. So what's it gonna be Jingle? Do you think talis is town or scum? ##Unvote: Zephirdd ##Vote: talismania | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
I covered my reasons for not wanting to believe it, I went over why I'm willing to switch if he swings a vote, and I explained why I'll lynch him if there's no better option. Speaking of people who somehow survived what should have been a lynch by pushing the vote onto somebody else, of course, shall we talk about you? | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
1) He is miller. 2) He is scum but wants to act as miller as it's the only way he might survive. Out of these two 2 is much more likely than 1. So unless you had a very convincing town read to start with, you should vote him. | ||
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