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VisceraEyes
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Hopeless1der
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On August 11 2012 01:54 BroodKingEXE wrote: -_- He knows Talis' PM name. This has been confirmed. That isn't proof. I have another player's character name in my PM since there is a relationship between them in the show. If the scum are trying to fake a dt claim, I'd expect them to put some solid effort into making it believable, including copying the names from the pms. Talis posted his character's name to the thread. They knew what to look for. My scenario is extremely convoluted. Occam's razor says talis is either miller or scum due to the red check. But the red check is secondary information and I dont trust it coming from toad. Xsebt has not posted yet. At this rate he's getting modkilled. He's pretty much outed already. Why continue to hide? | ||
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talismania
United States2364 Posts
MEDICS YOU MUST PROTECT XSEBT The only thing town has in this position is a confirmed DT. No wifom about it. Xsebt is a DT. Xsebt: you must post your redchecks immediately from now on! You can play completely in the open. Green checks can be reported as well if you like. I recommend checking BKE, hier, glasse, and synystyr. If we have another DT, please check the same list! I kinda hope we do have another DT, because 3 millers and only 1 DT seems imbalanced. Other things to think about: Vig if you still have a shot left for the love of god shoot VE. You should probably not come out in the open until Xsebt is dead. You will be very important in lylo situations. Toad, please stop being wrong if you're town. If you're scum then you've played really well. Lazermonkey, hopeless1der: now's the time for you guys to step up your game and assume a town leadership position (again assuming you guys are town but I think you are). Also assuming that jinglehell is indeed NK'd which he probably will be. | ||
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BroodKingEXE
United States829 Posts
On August 11 2012 01:59 talismania wrote: Let's talk about this game. Scum: you guys know how good of a position you're in. You can win without losing a member. Town: I don't think it's really set in for most of you how terrible of a position you're in. Let me explain it again. Right now there are 11 town and 5 scum. Here's what will probably happen: I'm lynched, jingle and marv are killed at night, toad is still completely wrong the next day and zephirdd gets lynched, GG flawless scum victory. The only real chance is if when I actually do flip miller toad (assuming he's town) actually realizes that he's just been completely wrong about everything in this game and genuinely re-evaluates the situation and sees that VE is the most obviously scummy person in this game. Sidenote: if this doesn't happen people need to look at toad more carefully because I can't imagine him being wrong for that long is weird even for his standards. Alternate scenarios: (1) I'm lynched and flip miller, jingle and marv are killed. 8 - 5, lylo. VE or BKE is finally lynched, lazer and toad killed. 6 - 4, lylo. The other of VE or BKE is lynched. 2 other townies killed. 4 - 3, lylo. Count Dropula or Hier gets lynched (depending on what xsebt says), then it will be 3 - 2 the next day. Then 2 - 1. So to say it again, If I am lynched, town will be at lylo from now until they lose or lynch all five scum in a row* *Of course, this is barring medic protects. However, the medics should be on xsebt. Scum may attempt to double stack on xsebt, gambling that there's only one medic too, which might reduce the NK. And of course, if there's still vig shots out there then that can accelerate or decelerate the game. (2) I'm lynched and flip scum. VE and synystyr NK'd I guess? 9 - 4. Not a terrible position but not great either. One mislynch (say, zephirdd) puts it at 6 - 4 and right back to lylo. Also it won't happen because I'm not scum. (3) VE or hassy gets lynched today and flips scum. 9 - 4 but people actually realize that I was right. I'll probably be NK'd but that's a tricky play for scum given that I do have a red check. If they leave me alive I'll be able to lead at least one other scum lynch, putting town in the advantage. This is the best case scenario. Too bad I don't think you'll be convinced. Your defense is going about all wrong. Look at it from my perspective, we lynch someone else over you, if they are townie, we are in the same sit cept youre lynched day 2. If they are scum we have to figure out the next lynches semi perfectly or else LoL. Then we are gambling with the DT's check. If you really are townie you need to push a scum lynch hard now. ##Vote: Talismania Youre too much of a risk to take on lategame, plus everyones got a basic connection to you, and different reads. | ||
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talismania
United States2364 Posts
On August 11 2012 02:07 Hopeless1der wrote: That isn't proof. I have another player's character name in my PM since there is a relationship between them in the show. If the scum are trying to fake a dt claim, I'd expect them to put some solid effort into making it believable, including copying the names from the pms. Talis posted his character's name to the thread. They knew what to look for. My scenario is extremely convoluted. Occam's razor says talis is either miller or scum due to the red check. But the red check is secondary information and I dont trust it coming from toad. Xsebt has not posted yet. At this rate he's getting modkilled. He's pretty much outed already. Why continue to hide? No, it is proof. He told toad my name was Henry Francais, which is what my PM says. However, what I posted in the thread was Henry Francis (minus the "a"). The only way he got the Francais spelling is if he got it from the host. The actual spelling is Francis, so he couldn't have gotten it from the show. | ||
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BroodKingEXE
United States829 Posts
On August 11 2012 02:07 Hopeless1der wrote: That isn't proof. I have another player's character name in my PM since there is a relationship between them in the show. If the scum are trying to fake a dt claim, I'd expect them to put some solid effort into making it believable, including copying the names from the pms. Talis posted his character's name to the thread. They knew what to look for. My scenario is extremely convoluted. Occam's razor says talis is either miller or scum due to the red check. But the red check is secondary information and I dont trust it coming from toad. Xsebt has not posted yet. At this rate he's getting modkilled. He's pretty much outed already. Why continue to hide? Where's his name? I cant find it  | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
IF this is an insane scum ploy, one of them is Betty Draper and their role pm has Francis' misspelt name in it. | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
On August 04 2012 05:13 talismania wrote: But I was being cute! My actual read of toad is "ugh". If I had to pick I'd say scum. It seems weird that I got the all red letter designation but I honestly can't remember sitting here now why. I think it was just because he disagreed with me about my thoughts on the masons. Oh and also it was that my post wasn't like my early game post in pyp et al. Which is true it wasn't but I was scum that game and I've kinda gotten lynched in two games since then for doing the same shit (and toad should know that from hosting ssb64) so no crazy plans or ideas from me this time. But I think that honestly you could say I was scum just as much as you could say VE was scum, yet toad has VE in alternating letters and me in all red. _________________ ps can people post their character names? I just want to satisfy my curiosity to find out who is in the game - I know that they don't mean anything since I'm VT with Henry Francis. Although I will LOL if scum has Ted Chaugh and Putnam, Powell, Lowe etc. And if WBG is veteran since Roger comes back from a heart attack in the first season. | ||
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talismania
United States2364 Posts
Xsebt is DT, end of story. | ||
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talismania
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BroodKingEXE
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
##Vote: talismania | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
##Unvote I want to hear it from Xsebt before I'll vote. | ||
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BroodKingEXE
United States829 Posts
On August 11 2012 02:20 Hopeless1der wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: talismania Wtf? I dont know who to trust at this point. @Talis Is VE still your lynch canidate after all this? You should be pusing a canidate, else town might mislynch. | ||
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talismania
United States2364 Posts
On August 11 2012 02:05 marvellosity wrote: why do you think zeph is town, talis? I'm fairly certain VE is scum. I think Dropula is the godfather as well. I know - a bit connectiony. Zephirdd just doesn't fit with any model of scum play this game. We both played with him when he was traitor in Pick Your Power and I seem to recall a safer style of posting then, not as loose. In Pick Your Poison I was scum and he was town and I found him incredibly scummy and spent the whole game more or less plotting to get him mislynched. He just does things that people consider obvious scumtells as town. I think he's done that here. I mean, scum aren't playing that great this game. They haven't built any good cases or actually convinced people. They instead pick up on the stupidest little things, like my discussion of setup, or zephirdd's list of people that hadn't posted in D1 and base their false suspicions on those. Marv, assuming you're town, which I lean on you and BioSc but can't really prove, you should really dig into this game during the night phase. Read through it like you're scum, since you're quite good at scum, and discern the scum lynch pushes and plans. I think you will come to the same conclusion that I have, which is that VE is scum mason, and that count dropula's play is explained perfectly if he's a sinensis smurf (dropula attacks zephirdd based on zeph's meta in Normal Mini Mafia 2, claiming that he went and read zeph's past games. No one ever reads past games, especially not "new" players which is what dropula claims he is. Dropula is acting weird as fuck because he wants to draw DT checks because he's GF). | ||
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talismania
United States2364 Posts
On August 11 2012 02:21 Hopeless1der wrote: durr my insanity convinced someone lol ##Unvote I want to hear it from Xsebt before I'll vote. If you're going to vote for either Xsebt or me, vote for me. Xsebt is confirmed DT. Xsebt is confirmed DT. Xsebt is confirmed DT. (1) He knew toad's char name too (2) The play makes no sense as scum - it trades 1 for 1 with a suspicious VT (3) Scum don't act on their own when doing something like that, someone definitely tells him that it's against the rules to PM | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
1) If they're both scum of course they do 2) This is completely true and probably why I'll vote for you by the end of this. 3) Again, if they're scum no rules were broken. You keep feeding us info that we can use to try to win later, but insist we kill you. I'm all but convinced your town, but we can't risk it going into LYLO. I'm still not voting until xsebt gets his ass in here and gives some semblance of an explanation for this shitshow. | ||
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talismania
United States2364 Posts
On August 10 2012 14:48 Lazermonkey wrote: Talis needs to die. We cannot judge him by his defense. There are two possible explanation for his play here. 1) He is miller. 2) He is scum but wants to act as miller as it's the only way he might survive. Out of these two 2 is much more likely than 1. So unless you had a very convincing town read to start with, you should vote him. [purple]Lazermonkey[/purple] Imagine that you're scum. Imagine that I'm scum with you. Now look at the remaining non-mason players in the game and pick anyone else to be scum with us. Can you actually see anybody else deserving the godfather role more than me? I'm at least a semi-veteran around here, having been playing since May or so. I'm known to be active. GF is a perfect role for me. Mason is even a decent role for me, as it's supposedly rolecop-proof. Hell, I'd even take roleblocker over goon. Please actually think about whether me being scum or me being miller makes the most sense. This is about weighing one bit of hard evidence of unknown reliability versus an enormous amount of soft evidence with strong reliability. | ||
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talismania
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