Newbie Mini Mafia XXI

On July 16 2012 20:49 calgar wrote:
I found this post to be rather odd. It doesn't seem like you're putting any time or thought into your posts - just what randomly comes to mind. You said lurking isn't a good idea but that's what you've managed to do so far. I feel the same way about your intro post.

IGMEOY

On July 17 2012 03:33 Hapahauli wrote:
Jeebus, I expected to see a couple of more pages of posts by the time I got back online. The lack of activity and substance so far is very disturbing almost 1 day into the game.

FOS tube

While he has five posts in this game, all of them are substance-less and short. Beyond an initial burst of one-liners early in the game, he hasn’t done anything of value so far. I find his last two posts especially suspicious:



Incredibly obvious one-liner. Note the wishy-washy wording, “I don’t think lurking is a good idea” – OF COURSE lurking isn’t a good idea! He’s being timid and posting obvious statements.



He plays off his lack of substance and analysis as no big deal. This is incredibly suspicious and is anti-town mentality – townies JUMP at the opportunity to provide analysis instead of playing it off as no big deal.

On July 17 2012 04:39 Obvious.660 wrote:

You're not giving us anything to talk about by saying there's nothing to talk about. You're now at ~6 posts from the beginning of the game and have made zero actual effort in any of those posts at participating in the discussion. Textbook active lurker. Everyone will question your motives for that so you might want to make some small effort here or the town will withhold your prune juice.

On July 17 2012 05:05 JingleHell wrote:


If there's no discussion day 1, if there's a mislynch, there's almost no information to work with day 2, at which point I suppose you still want us to avoid analysis on limited information? This game is all about finding a way to work despite the information disadvantage, and find the scum.

Active non-contribution is a fairly valid reason for a D1 lynch, in absence of scumtells.

On July 17 2012 06:06 drwiggl3s wrote:


What makes you think that he isn't Mafia himself?

On July 17 2012 06:41 Hapahauli wrote:
EBWOP: Oh shucks, calgar beat me to it.

On July 17 2012 06:48 calgar wrote:

Our advice seems to be falling on deaf ears, here. Why don't you read my summary of iamperfection again, I think it was very suspicious and poorly written post on his part (and his only one, to boot).

On July 17 2012 06:48 calgar wrote:
You say you don't suspect anyone but it doesn't seem like you're even trying, either. You aren't helping town out at all so town is naturally going to be suspicious.

On July 17 2012 07:13 Obvious.660 wrote:
JingleHell removes his vote and puts it to tube, who has been posting a great deal but without any meaningful content except to say that he has formed (read: shared) no opinions whatsoever except that our arguments have not been compelling. If tube is town, he's weak town and a liability later in the game. If tube is mafia, he's not doing enough to defend himself and take the FOS off of himself. JingleHell's vote is smart and it's not wasted if he doesn't change it, unless tube's participation becomes more town-friendly.

On July 17 2012 07:12 calgar wrote:
No, you were right. I was just suggesting that since you had no suspicions you could see what you thought about mine. As a way to try and become a more active participant. Also, your posts are slightly difficult to understand because of awkward formatting. Could you try using sentences and punctuation?

You are by far looking the more sucpicious right now. The accusation on tube is telling to me. After the heat on you it seems you like you know want to set up a policy of lynching lurker or people that do one liners. Instead of drving the attention on one person it appears to me you are trying to get us looking at a whole group in order to confuse the town

On July 17 2012 07:26 Hopeless1der wrote:
I'm done with tube. This is going around in circles and wasting time. His current approach to responding is making my head hurt.

On July 17 2012 07:26 Obvious.660 wrote:

You need to share what you know and what you believe. It's important because if you are town and get randomly chosen (assuming no better target exists for mafia) tonight and die, you have contributed nothing of value and we will never really know why you were chosen.

Maybe they got tired of reading your posts.
Maybe they want to use you as a vehicle of suspicion on others who had formed opinions against you or defended you.

Bottom line - having no opinion is not playing town-safe, especially when you are in the spotlight.

Form an opinion, roll with it, see what information it can get you. Don't sit on the sideline and let everyone else do the work. Doesn't seem like a fun way to play the game, honestly.

On July 17 2012 10:29 Obvious.660 wrote:
@JingleHell hi. I'm the guy who noted you used a colloquialism and defended you for it earlier. Anyone can throw anyone to the wolves. Take them out in back of the barn and shoot them. Leave them for dead. Thanks for letting me know my figures of speech are tells when they match anything ever said or used in a mafia game. I'll try to avoid them if it makes you feel better.

Please, take everything I say and compare it to everything ever written about scum. When you're done, you can lynch me and watch me flip town.

Such nonsense.

On July 17 2012 23:43 Hapahauli wrote:
While Tube has made some suspicious posts, he's waaaaay too upfront/naieve about his suspicious behavior, and comes across as a really really bad townie player. Suspicion alone is not enough to lynch someone - its more important to look for Mafia Motive.

On July 17 2012 23:43 Hapahauli wrote:
Obvious.660 reads as pretty townie to me. He has many lengthy posts, provides clear reasoning for his actions, is playing recklessly. I don't understand the bandwagon at all, and this looks all too similar to the "LYNCH LAZERMONKEY" bandwagon on Day 1 in Newbie Mini Mafia XX. I don't want to spend pages and pages screaming in his defense this game, but I will do if we do this bandwagon shit again.

On July 17 2012 20:06 Obvious.660 wrote:
There aren't enough fingers to go around at this point. I will share a few thoughts before I sleep, as I may not make it back in time for any further analysis. Seriously, the town play needs to improve overall or we're going to mislynch tonight. It's awful that I am reading more scum than town.

> tube still has my vote. Don't just look at the filter, it's better to read the actual thread when looking at him. Very few quotes to address the accusations against him in his responses will make analysis of tube troublesome without going through unfiltered.

> YourHarry: Highly, highly suspicious of this one. Not because he voted for me, but because of HOW IT WAS DONE.

> JingleHell is suspicious to me for his constant attacks on what words are chosen: "Wait and see" -- "Under the bus" conversations, where intent was pretty clear and he chose to always take it in the most negative context possible. He's railed on Calgar and me fairly hard.

> Hopeless1der makes a safe vote against the lurking Fulla. Wanted to know about no-lynch for whatever reason. Leaning scum here.

> Fulla seems to be lurking hard. Brings up a point of inquiry for some irrelevant statistic and probably goes to sleep.

> iamperfection read my post but clearly didn't follow the conversation in entirety. Points a few fingers, nothing overly suspicious. I would call the posting history semi-engaging but barely active. Leaning scum here.

> Calgar: My gut tells me town.

> Mufaa: Two posts. One starts analysis with the promise of more. The extra analysis is nowhere to be found. However, his line of reasoning regarding JingleHell seems to be spot on so far today.

> drwiggl3s: No scummy feelings here, yet.

> Evulrabbitz: Lurky, but lives in Sweden. 7 hours ahead of EST, if my just-before-sleep math is any good. I'm probably off by an hour. Look for something from Evul in the very near future, well before vote time.

> Hapahauli: Should be weighing in today. I have no strong feelings either way about his contributed play.

If you get nothing else out of this, town members need to take a good look at their individual contributions and ask themselves if they've done everything they can today to work towards a good day one lynch.

On July 18 2012 03:48 YourHarry wrote:
But even despite not providing any reason to vote Obvious.660, I did strongly push his bandwagon - mostly to see his reactions - which could seem scummy in many people's eyes. As you recently read, Hapha's accusation against me included this as my scuminess.

On July 16 2012 09:18 drwiggl3s wrote:
Goodluck all. Hope everyone here is also watching NASL grand finals :D

On July 17 2012 06:06 drwiggl3s wrote:


What makes you think that he isn't Mafia himself?

On July 17 2012 06:07 drwiggl3s wrote:
ebwop:
laughing hard at your ebwop

On July 18 2012 11:16 JingleHell wrote:
Calgar, would you feel comfortable suggesting a vigi shot on him if we came to a consensus that if it flipped him town, you were next in line for a lynch?

On July 18 2012 12:39 JingleHell wrote:


I'm saying too easy and too quiet are the same general thing here. He's an easy target. "It's quiet, too quiet" *Sudden huge influx of random plot villain A shows up to murder every fucking thing in sight*.

When something looks too simple, too easy, or too obvious, sometimes it really is. As was obviously the case with... well, Obvious.

But hey, let's go back to your logic. When someone posts next to nothing useful, and it's mostly obviously scummy, lynch that mofo. Who's cool with lynching tube on his own logic?

On July 18 2012 12:41 JingleHell wrote:
Everyone agreed? A handful of people said that. Now you're diving onboard with them, hence a "me too attitude".

And by the way, I'm not sure you answered what I pointed out. How would it make sense, if you were town and I was scum, for me to put a huge spotlight on myself to change which person was set to be mislynched? That would be utterly idiotic.

On July 18 2012 12:53 JingleHell wrote:


I'm very specifically talking about "too easy" and "too quiet" as the movie/book lines they get used as, a cliched precursor to pure trouble. That's as a comparison to the plausible situation I see with someone asking for a vigi shot against perfection. He's such a simple, obvious sort of target that it makes SENSE to suggest it, and if there's a scum motive, it kills two birds with one stone.

Obvious was easy to see as scum, and got lynched, and it turned out to have been too easy. Too good to be true.

And saying the majority of your posts are useless and easily seen as scummy? Let's go back to yesterday, the posting you did before your sudden change of heart, and a bit of your posting since the attention was lifted off of you.

You've been highly active, but not in a serious sort of way. Oh, wait, let me guess, we still don't have enough information, right? Because yesterday, that's why you weren't saying anything useful. Not enough information. Well now you want Iamperfection to die based on NO DAMN INFORMATION.

And you're STILL ignoring my question about why your theoretical scum Jingle diverts attention off your theoretical townie you, and onto the (now) confirmed townie Obvious, when I could have just sat back and watched the chaos with MUCH less attention on me.

On July 21 2012 04:50 Hapahauli wrote:
Furthermore, I'll be re-opening my suspicions on tube tomorrow for this vote. (Mafia bandwagon to the rescue?)
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=351398&currentpage=44#870

On July 22 2012 02:09 iamperfection wrote:


One of the prime resaons i became suspicious in first place was my lurking on the first day. You now use that in your defense of yourself but then vote for me. That dosent make sense and if you are town seems like a careless use of your vote. Regardless what are your thoughts now do still think im the prime suspect and if not what are your thoughts going forward.

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fos tube