Bureaucracy Mafia!

On July 16 2012 15:12 Probulous wrote:
When you say

What exactly do you mean?

On July 16 2012 15:12 Probulous wrote:
When you say

What exactly do you mean?

On July 16 2012 18:04 Palmar wrote:


Q-bert-Z is sinani.

He's roleplaying.

On July 17 2012 06:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
Even that Kurumi - like, why would you knowingly align yourself secretly with someone you suspect of being 3rd party....

I'm not buying it sir. <3 tho.

On July 17 2012 06:21 Kurumi wrote:

What minions Chezinu, why the hell are you talking like you're CEO/High Ranked scum. Drop it man.

On July 18 2012 08:22 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm rereading the whole thread guys, THE WHOLE THING! ^^

Let's all do it, together!

I'm up to the part where Palmar suggests a RL...riveting.



Like, it's bound for failure and he knows it too, but he suggests it anyway. Remember that? Good times.

I'm wondering where QtheZ and Walton are during all this REALLY SERIOUS lynch discussion....as into this game as their roleplaying seems to indicate, they don't seem to be doing much to "rock the boat" for scum if that was their intention, and they're certainly not participating in the discussion of this stuff.

Anyway, I digress. Back to reading.

On July 18 2012 08:50 HiroPro wrote:
Where is Foolishness -_-

On July 18 2012 13:28 Mattchew wrote:
My vote has been stolen. I have no control over where it is placed for this cycle.

On July 18 2012 13:37 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
hi I'm here and I and I want a lynch. I had ~15 pages to read in 20 minutes so I may have missed finer points but I notice that sandroba supports a gonzaw lynch so I will be happy with that or BH.

If Matt's vote has been irrevocable placed on gonzaw then we need to see if we have enough people who will switch to gonzaw.

Anyone who will not cooperate with the lynch I will instantly consider scum.

Who's active and can change their vote right now?

On July 18 2012 14:03 Blazinghand wrote:
Actually honestly there's no excuse for no lynch here.

##unvote
##vote blazinghand

On July 18 2012 14:06 Blazinghand wrote:


Clearly it's a thinly-veiled scum gambit to get town cred

On July 18 2012 14:08 Blazinghand wrote:

The trick is to clothe it in so much craziness, trolling, and RP that nobody can find it, right?

On July 18 2012 14:14 Mattchew wrote:

I never said I thought mafia took my vote...

On July 20 2012 07:42 VisceraEyes wrote:
No upward or lateral communication Chez- are you claiming the other messenger PR?

On July 20 2012 07:44 Chezinu wrote:

I don't even know what the PR stands for..

On July 20 2012 08:10 Bill Murray wrote:
chez - they arent allowed to include names
you just towntold my friend

On July 20 2012 11:50 Probulous wrote:


I don't know, hence my silence.

Your night post seemed genuine and if you really were too busy you will be better today.

On July 20 2012 11:57 Probulous wrote:


What questions? You haven't asked me anything. Yes, I am asking questions. Mainly because there are people who have not posted clearly, or posted at all. I am trying to get clear positions from people. Consider it a period of reconsideration.

I am not mafia and so I am not Chairman of the Board, but you have any specific questions, fire away.

On July 17 2012 07:52 Katina wrote:


Palmar mostly. Wouldn't mind syllo, or Mattchew.

On July 19 2012 18:06 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Alright guys let’s talk rastaban. The first thing that caught my eye was, conveniently, his first post so let’s start there.

This post is a whole lot of fluff. The game has been going on for a while when he makes this and there’s plenty to discuss however rastaban is more comfortable discussing the setup. This is a red flag, this type of post is something you make right after the game starts, not when the game has been going on and there are actual issues that can be addressed.

To continue with this theme we have posts like this:


Again, it’s just talking about the setup instead of actually scumhunting.

Let’s look at the next two posts together:




Both these posts serve no purpose. Does rastaban think either of these two are scummy? Who knows. He says that BH is so crazy he almost thinks it’s a joke but gives us no read. Similarly with VE, he mentions how VE’s behavior is different than what he’s observed but gives no read.

After a nice little wagon has built up on BH, rastaban finally feels confident calling for someone’s death:



He like the case on BH better than the one on me but spends most of the post talking about something other than his reasons for voting BH.

Ultimately, rastaban’s vote seems like it is available to whichever candidate is currently the flavor of the hour:








The last post really betrays rastaban’s strategy. He “agrees” with the every case that was brought up d1 however he sticks with BH because that’s where the momentum is. This just screams scum trying to fit in. He’s not going to argue hard for the BH lynch, he won’t stick his neck out by switching to another candidate but he’ll agree with the argument against that person just to be in agreement. Finally, he chooses to go with BH because it’s the one that seems the least controversial.

This may not be a very elegant post but it should get the point across and I need sleep. I’ll be happy to answer any questions when I wake up.

tl;dr rastaban needs to die at some point.

On July 20 2012 11:30 Katina wrote:
VE: Then we will lynch Zealos D3, honey. That doesn't mean the town has to run all over the place with their votes. The Mafia aren't going anywhere, we have to lynch them one at a time.

Not knowing what other powers scum have is not something we should be focusing on right now. That's not going to make them suddenly pop into our minds. We will find out like we always do and that's when they use it. It's impossible to know anything before hand. Kurumi has already used his power when he nuked RebithOfLegend. I understand that Zealos might have a power too but I think that's farfetched considering the amount of nukes and blocks going off D1. Right now we should keep our votes on Kurumi and continue to make cases on others that are scummy then decide who our D3 lynch should be when night falls and Kurumi's alignment is revealed.

On July 20 2012 14:00 rastaban wrote:
Ah I see now, I thought chez meant your nuke earlier but he meant BH wanted to show he had used up his power so he couldn't be an executive...

On July 17 2012 12:25 wherebugsgo wrote:
Well, if he were town, he would have used his block power to block Kurumi from nuking RoL, since Kurumi's nuke was mod-confirmed BEFORE Chezinu used ##nuke in the thread.

On July 17 2012 12:55 Probulous wrote:
BH do you actually have a blocking ability?Still trying to get my head around this.

On July 17 2012 12:31 Probulous wrote:
@Bugs

Do we even know if there is a block ability?

On July 20 2012 14:27 Probulous wrote:


You can check the Role Name of people.

On July 20 2012 15:01 Chezinu wrote:

wait a minute! I just realized... are you saying it is possible for me to message you even though you blocked me? or is your role solely nuke block?

On July 20 2012 07:46 Blazinghand wrote:
I'm kinda amazed scum is still falling for this "get PMed by Sandro and fuck up" thing. Like, any townie who gets a PM will obviously tell the thread... why doesn't scum?


It stands for Public Relations.

On July 17 2012 07:52 Katina wrote:


Palmar mostly. Wouldn't mind syllo, or Mattchew.

On July 19 2012 18:06 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Alright guys let’s talk rastaban. The first thing that caught my eye was, conveniently, his first post so let’s start there.

This post is a whole lot of fluff. The game has been going on for a while when he makes this and there’s plenty to discuss however rastaban is more comfortable discussing the setup. This is a red flag, this type of post is something you make right after the game starts, not when the game has been going on and there are actual issues that can be addressed.

To continue with this theme we have posts like this:


Again, it’s just talking about the setup instead of actually scumhunting.

Let’s look at the next two posts together:




Both these posts serve no purpose. Does rastaban think either of these two are scummy? Who knows. He says that BH is so crazy he almost thinks it’s a joke but gives us no read. Similarly with VE, he mentions how VE’s behavior is different than what he’s observed but gives no read.

After a nice little wagon has built up on BH, rastaban finally feels confident calling for someone’s death:



He like the case on BH better than the one on me but spends most of the post talking about something other than his reasons for voting BH.

Ultimately, rastaban’s vote seems like it is available to whichever candidate is currently the flavor of the hour:








The last post really betrays rastaban’s strategy. He “agrees” with the every case that was brought up d1 however he sticks with BH because that’s where the momentum is. This just screams scum trying to fit in. He’s not going to argue hard for the BH lynch, he won’t stick his neck out by switching to another candidate but he’ll agree with the argument against that person just to be in agreement. Finally, he chooses to go with BH because it’s the one that seems the least controversial.

This may not be a very elegant post but it should get the point across and I need sleep. I’ll be happy to answer any questions when I wake up.

tl;dr rastaban needs to die at some point.

On July 20 2012 15:13 Blazinghand wrote:

You messaged me today...

On July 20 2012 15:28 Probulous wrote:
Hmmm but is there anyone with that skill?

Chez, I assume your memory hasn't changed then?

On July 21 2012 06:41 austinmcc wrote:
Nobody's claimed that they sent foolishness a message with orders which Foolishness followed.

On July 21 2012 07:30 Blazinghand wrote:


They have the best powers, communication

On July 21 2012 08:37 VisceraEyes wrote:


I'm inclined to agree, but I REALLY REALLY want to lynch Executives. This inter-office communication bullshit is gonna continue to be convoluted and confusing.

Katina, do you think I'm insane for thinking sandroba is scum? If so, please tell me nicely.

On July 22 2012 03:01 supersoft wrote:
Town-vets&
26. Palmar town
3. Sandroba town
11. Supersoft town

???-Vets&
6. Foolishness
10. Meapak_Ziphh
16. GGQ
7. VisceraEyes
15. syllogism

Troll
8. Bill Murray
18. Chezinu

dead
25. RebirthofLegend town
19. Kurumi town
13. Wherebugsgo town


yes you do VE.
I devided the playerlist in two parts. in these parts in another 3 parts *4 parts for this part. because 3 of this list are already dead.
There were 13 players on that list. That means about 4 of them are scum. 3 of them are dead and one of them is me.
1 is sandroba and 1 is palmar. 2 of them are troll i cannot possibly read because they never make any sense.

syllogism makes most sense of the 5 remaining players. leaves you, mz, foolish and GGQ
if one of the trolls is scum
and i made one mistake,
2 of you are scum

On July 22 2012 02:50 VisceraEyes wrote:


AS usual, not reading the thread. It all revolved around my paranoid belief that sandroba was bussing his teammates and was an executive. This was disproven A) by him messaging me and B) by Kurumi flipping town.

Keep up Foolish, we can't carry you all game. Gonna have to do something bro.

BM has claimed some kind of vote-stealer. The fact that he claims it gives me hope that he's town, because I can see scum wanting to hide that power until necessary (Read: TL Mafia XLVIII). Jackal essentially won the game for us with it after we all mass-scum-claimed. *shrug*

He's calling me scum, but I think he's just misguided. He doesn't believe it strongly enough to push my lynch, and others have expressed at least passing suspicion of me (Mattchew, layabout?, marvellosity). Would scumBM not have pushed my lynch under these conditions if he were "suspicious" of me?