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Jokes aside, sorry guys. What I said was true - I really thought it's some funky 3rd party mechanic is going on... Without 3rd party present >_>
Nice job guys, this was a slaughter.
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
Jokes aside, sorry guys. What I said was true - I really thought it's some funky 3rd party mechanic is going on... Without 3rd party present >_> Nice job guys, this was a slaughter. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
I enjoyed the game up until getting myself modkilled, perhaps found the setup a bit *too* interesting. Really appreciate being allowed to play this one, although I don't think I played particularly well and again...had to be modkilled. The last couple days really dragged on, but that's less to do with the setup and more to do with the mafia team not conceding. I will say that town's power roles felt very strong. Basically 4 extra KP with the king lynches, nuke, and supersoft, a parity cop, and two message cops. Granted, we didn't, but it seemed like if either nosy employee had landed on Gonzaw or Sloosh early on, the game would have quickly fallen apart. | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
this is like the most unfulfilling win of all time | ||
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Protactinium
Canada550 Posts
On August 01 2012 04:36 syllogism wrote: I really liked the setup after I got over the extended majority lynch and I agree that my role was overpowered, if satisfying. Might post more thoughts later when I have time. To be honest extended majority lynch was a major oversight by us. I think we both assumed plurality but copied the OP from a game with extended majority and forgot about it/didn't notice until someone mentioned it some ways into day 1. At that point it felt too late to change. Sorry about that! | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On August 01 2012 04:51 Protactinium wrote: Extended majority may have been hard on town until we got more organized, but it felt like an advantage that mafia needed to have this game. To be honest extended majority lynch was a major oversight by us. I think we both assumed plurality but copied the OP from a game with extended majority and forgot about it/didn't notice until someone mentioned it some ways into day 1. At that point it felt too late to change. Sorry about that! | ||
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hegeo
Germany194 Posts
On August 01 2012 04:53 strongandbig wrote: Player of the game for Chezinu imo. This, and I had the weirdest thoughts about his role. Sometimes I thought that he might be some super-snooper third party (as in "Department of Communication") who is only allowed to talk by copying parts of PMs he intercepts... haha,,, and then he said something about "being able to talk without The System once" or so... | ||
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Protactinium
Canada550 Posts
As mafia you HAVE to punish townies for trying to clear themselves and you cannot let confirmed townies be established easily. This game had far too many people who simply were not considered mafia for most of the game and no mafia within that pool. Palmar exploited this very effectively in Liar game with his 'king me' move (unfortunately he wasn't particularly motivated this game so no repeat). When someone says 'im obviously town this game quit questioning me' (I think syllo and a few others did it), you have to call them out on it and/or start doing it yourself. By itself it means nothing, but if you don't stop it, others slowly begin to think that way. Basically players like syllo/sandro in particular this game acted as though they were confirmed town and because the mafia didn't do anything to stop it, they became essentially confirmed town in the eyes of many people. But if you simply say, 'no you aren't confirmed town, what have you done to show that?' it immediately prevents any such problems. If townies try to assert other people are townies (or mafia), you need to force them to prove it. For example, Sandroba's previous game history, when analyzed with this game, would obviously prove him town by day 2. But if a townie tries to say that, you have to force them to give proof to the rest of the town, as otherwise its an empty claim. So if someone claims that sandro is town because this is how he plays as town, you have to make them go through the effort to go through previous games and use posts to show that this is true. A lot of people simply won't bother doing this, and even if they do it they might not do it correctly, allowing you to cast more doubt on it. You also can get a lot of points this way for defending townies who have no real cases on them and are just sloppily getting bandwagoned. Then you can later do this same thing to defend mafia who are just getting bandwagoned off of a general feeling and nothing concrete (as happened several times this game). Don't give the town an inch of ground. Make them fight for everything. | ||
Ver
United States2186 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
@Hosts: I thought the game was very fun, and I enjoyed the mechanics. This felt more like what I wanted from the Sleeper Cell games. I'm looking forward to part II.  | ||
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Q-bert-Z
United States75 Posts
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6786 Posts
I forgot who I had the conversation with, but a long time ago I was on AIM with one of you and we discussed how hard a mafia traitor is to balance. The second I read my roll PM I thought "sonofabitch they did it." Anyway I'm curious of your opinions on how I played the role. It was my goal to appear on at least half the suspect lists per day because I figured that would give me leeway to go after people who I thought were scummy and have my overlord dismiss it as me just trying to get heat away from myself. I honestly did think rastaban was scum at first but then the very first PM I received told me that he was a good target for me to go after so then I had to find a way to continue to push for him without him dying. The situation that arose with supersoft is one that I had assumed would happen since I figured I couldn't play quasi scummy all game without getting called on it. However, it's remarkably easier to defend yourself when you know you're innocent so I was banking on that to get me through. The whole bit of fake claiming cop was because I was under the impression that the mafia still had the ability to use the trapdoor on me and I didn't want to give them a free KP. It became fairly obvious that I was the traitor but they waited until night to kill me so I almost thought I had gotten away with it . Anyway I had a lot of fun, I felt like I was walking on a tightrope for most of the game which demanded I play very carefully. The accusations made against me early were very accurate. Thanks to protact and co. for hosting, thanks to town for being one of the better ones in recent memory. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
huge thanks to the hosts. fabulous setup. Town seemed to have a lot of awesome roles, but it may simply have looked that way because we continuously killed scum syllogism town MVP probably (shoutouts to VE, Probey), not Chezinu (wtf guys above). really interesting game. sucks to be VT though | ||
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Q-bert-Z
United States75 Posts
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
I disagreed with you here On July 27 2012 06:54 VisceraEyes wrote: I don't know where you got the idea that I'm a "town leader" Chez - anyone considered a "town leader" considers VE a joke. :/ but when you say something like that it basically becomes true. Apart from your spat with supersoft and the self-deprecating leader post, I appreciated the play. | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6786 Posts
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Qatol
United States3165 Posts
On August 01 2012 05:10 Ver wrote: Btw a big thanks to qatol/dreamflower for helping us host when me and incognito had to be away for the day! Day? Last I checked Incognito went on vacation a week ago and you've only been around off and on since then. -_- | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On August 01 2012 05:11 VisceraEyes wrote: Wow. GG everyone. This was fun. @Hosts: I thought the game was very fun, and I enjoyed the mechanics. This felt more like what I wanted from the Sleeper Cell games. I'm looking forward to part II. do we tell Probey now that he only wins when he's on the same team as you and me? | ||
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Q-bert-Z
United States75 Posts
On August 01 2012 05:20 Qatol wrote: Day? Last I checked Incognito went on vacation a week ago and you've only been around off and on since then. -_- Consider it punishment for not playing. :-\ But really, thanks big Q. -little q | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
I stand by my statement - supersoft summed it up nicely in his rage. The consensus is that I get lucky. It's good to know that's not unanimously considered to be the case. | ||
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