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This seems to be the only course of action right now... But I'm prepared to change my mind if someone else starts acting very odd. | ||
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I didn't post earlier because I just woke up and last night I was playing a game of Civ IV with my friends :D | ||
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On July 01 2012 03:43 AmericanUmlaut wrote: This is the last time I want to see this as an argument from anyone. This is a newbie game; none of us is a veteran player. And it doesn't matter. Failing to contribute is failing to contribute, regardless of your experience level. If you're town, we need you joining in on the discussion so that we have the information we need to establish that you're on our side. Okay dude. Sorry but some people in here have played before maybe not TL mafia but other versions. I've played absolutely nothing similar. Note: okay dude is not meant to be condescending or anything like that sorry if it comes across that way. | ||
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On July 01 2012 04:50 iamperfection wrote: I would like to point out that you basicaly used the same argument fencer made several pages ago that he was asleep and just happened to latch on to antoher persons view. It really doesnt matter if your townie or not but your post is especially bad because not only do you cast suspicion on your self for no reason you are in no way helping the town if in fact you are a townie. If you had simply read the thread you would have seen the same thing happening to fencer. Wait so you're saying that because I point out that I couldn't post responses to the statements that I hadn't been posting because I was asleep, and saying that I don't post much anyway so not talking much wouldn't be indicative of anything, means that I'm not helping? I was debating the points others have, and by doing so am causing discussion (Which is what we want). So if I may ask if you are accusing me of something just come out and say it. | ||
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People are bandwagoning onto fencer now I agree he was acting odd but it's not conclusive Jingle and Promethelax are working together quite well and the rest of us are just following them. They seem to have alot of the same ideas... paying attention to them Myles hasn't posted to little or to much, he's playing it super safe. Not a clue Blind is, more or less in the same boat as me albeit a bit less so. See above AmericanUmlaut is doing quite well all his moves are well thought out but we still have no idea what side he's on could be one could be the other. No idea for him either Hopeless1der also seems to be the victim of a bit of bandwagoning but he seems pretty cool I'm thinking he's a town but hey I could be wrong Lastly Intact has been promoting conversation since the game began but seems to be in the same boat as me and perfection in that he hasn't posted enough. also not posting enough but I don't know That's all I got, keeping in mind that we have only one death so far and the night is going to be the most important bit so far because as Jingle said, the scum will try to set someone up Do games normally move this pace or faster/slower? | ||
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On July 01 2012 09:37 Promethelax wrote: Can we talk about the piece that I bolded and put in italics? You seriously think the two most active townies are scum? If we were scum this game would be over. There is no one else in town who is constantly building cases and working to promote a town agenda anywhere near as much as me or JH. You seriously are worried because we have simlar pro town mentalities? Yes I am. You to are the most active right now and as I said, we're ALL following what you guys are doing. I didn't say you were scum I said that it'd odd that you two right out of the gate are helping each other and building on what the other said. | ||
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On July 01 2012 10:20 JingleHell wrote: Right now I'm feeling "towny scared out of shell". It's kind of like Anacletus' early posts, it's useless, but it feels almost too useless to be intentional. I prefer "Paranoid as hell dude who has no idea what to do" to "towny scared out of shell" JH. | ||
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(In the same boat with promethelax but with Rum+coke>beer) | ||
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On July 02 2012 08:25 Promethelax wrote: Gin and tognic now! If JH dead I die next nigght unless medic. I'm only town taking lead, I think scum look at me and JH, ccoinflip lands on a crumb so it comms up JH. They decide kill me nixt night. Still think reads good: JH and I on same path. FoS Hopless and Myless and little bet Fencer too. I lik eBob now, he is drinky too! But too lurkey. YAY BOOZE :D:D:D:D I'm haveing a bit of lime beer right now because I ran out of coke am going to get more soon Also <3 spellcheck + chrome ! | ||
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I don't want to speak for the rest of the town, but that hold's no credibility with me. Also, I'm still wondering where the other lurkers are. It's been a lot of the same people posting for a while now and it'd be nice to get some insight from iamperfection, blind-rawr, and bobthelob - who I hope doesn't think I forgotten about in the mists of his low altitude. We're also still waiting for our new member's first contribution. I have to agree here, Intact if you want to convince us you have plenty of places you can go to type up a small paragraph or two to help your case, a library or something would be fine On July 03 2012 14:32 sciberbia wrote: Next up: BobTheLob scummy bandwaggoning on anacletus+ Show Spoiler + On June 30 2012 02:05 BobTheLob wrote: ##Vote Analectus This seems to be the only course of action right now... But I'm prepared to change my mind if someone else starts acting very odd. I believe this is the fifth vote on Anacletus. This is the first time BobtheLob has even mentioned Anacletus (or made any relevant posts for that matter). Quite a scummy bandwaggon vote with abysmal reasoning behind it. uses scummy excuses such as "newbie" and "lurking playstyle":+ Show Spoiler + On July 01 2012 02:44 BobTheLob wrote: Just as a small defence for myself, I never post much and rarely post more than a few lines, it's just how I post as for bandwagoning... I'm new I have next to no idea what I'm doing and despite having read up on all of the resources still am a bit lost. As for reads, I just have a feeling about Anacletus, but whether or not he's scum I have no idea the same with Fencer. I didn't post earlier because I just woke up and last night I was playing a game of Civ IV with my friends :D The "I'm a newbie" excuse is a well documented ploy by newbie scum. It is an ingratiating maneuver -- attempting to gain sympathy. Townies don't have any motivation to convince everyone how newbie they are; it only makes their cases seem less credible. Not only does he state a newbie excuse in this post, but he makes very noncomittal statements about Anacletus and Fencer. Scum never want to be held accountable for any of their reads or votes. On July 01 2012 09:03 BobTheLob wrote: Okay, I've lurked this entire game and I'm starting to realize that that is a bad idea... And here he admits to consciously lurking. What? This is scummy. Townies have strong motivation not to lurk -- we need to hunt out the scum. Extremely noncomittal scumhunting+ Show Spoiler + I already pointed out how he was super wishy/washy about Fencer and Anacletus. Here is the only other post of BobTheLob's where he posts some real reads: On July 01 2012 09:03 BobTheLob wrote: People are bandwagoning onto fencer now I agree he was acting odd but it's not conclusive Jingle and Promethelax are working together quite well and the rest of us are just following them. They seem to have alot of the same ideas... paying attention to them Myles hasn't posted to little or to much, he's playing it super safe. Not a clue Blind is, more or less in the same boat as me albeit a bit less so. See above AmericanUmlaut is doing quite well all his moves are well thought out but we still have no idea what side he's on could be one could be the other. No idea for him either Hopeless1der also seems to be the victim of a bit of bandwagoning but he seems pretty cool I'm thinking he's a town but hey I could be wrong Lastly Intact has been promoting conversation since the game began but seems to be in the same boat as me and perfection in that he hasn't posted enough. also not posting enough but I don't know That's all I got, keeping in mind that we have only one death so far and the night is going to be the most important bit so far because as Jingle said, the scum will try to set someone up Do games normally move this pace or faster/slower? You could summarize this post as "I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. No idea. Thinking town but could be wrong. I don't know." Townies should actively hunt out scummy behavior and form suspicions. BobTheLob does not. FoS BobTheLob I've tried to hunt scum down but, like the rest of us I have found nothing saying that POSTER X IS SCUM. The major difference is that I didn't state any thing in regards to people I think are very scummy. Intact seems to be up next on the block, or if not him then me or Blind, but no-matter what people are going to do a lot of guessing here. We are still trying to get a good lynch, but unfortunately we can't find conclusive evidence and are mostly just pointing fingers at each other. The scum are probably laughing at all of us right now, and while I realize that this is still only the second day I have a feeling that if we don't lynch a scum this time around people will just point fingers at people who haven't been contributing as much (As you are doing [not that I can fault you for that] ) and we will continue to get no where. So to address your concerns: I'm a regular townie no roles or anything and am just trying to get by, I believe that Blind is probably one as well and that Intact seems suspicious, also fencars replacement gets a free live an extra day card because we probably wont just lynch him first day either but we would have if it was still him playing. | ||
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On July 04 2012 00:29 iamperfection wrote: I agree with a lot of the points you laid out here but i dont agree with the final conclusion. Blindy has been like several others lurking (myself included) The case that you put up against him not even close to how strong of an argument that you put out on bobthelob. This post in particular is the one that bothers me As you pointed out this is very wishy washy but also this only serves as attempt to confuse the town and drive us all against each other. He is effectivly saying " hey you know who scould be scum. Everybody" He could then still stay off to the sideline with his non commitment when the lynching dosent go the towns way. What do we really have on blindy to go on besides lurking. He has given limited reads like my fellow lurkers but of the reads he did give he gave one right one in thinking jingle was town. In my view Blind has been trying to help the town while bob had been trying to hurt us. Bolding that bit because I still think its true, most of my recent posts have been the same thing. Nobody has anything conclusive, it's all guesswork and assumptions. I've admitted that I lurked to much and have also made a point to try posting more, but even so it seems that just made people take more notice of me, Blind is still lurking a lot more than me but I seem to be taking a lot of the heat off of the people who we thought before were scummy, Intact, Hopeless ect. While I agree that Hopeless has made a good case for himself It shouldn't stop people from looking at him more closely. | ||
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On July 04 2012 01:39 AmericanUmlaut wrote: So look at him more closely and share your thoughts. If you're town you should be helping us scum hunt and not explaining how scum hunting is impossible Okay then, lets get started. Intacts explanations were, Poor play which is something that we all agreed wasn't something you really need to point out, and it is a tad bit scummy as was said to me. Next he says that "I'm trying to make a read and be a little meta." which is odd to me as JH pointed out that being meta wont help at all and Intact should know that it isn't the best excuse. As a follow up he says that he was "really convinced of my read as analectus being scum and thus promethelax coming out with a late post to save him seemed to fit perfectly with what my read was." and in my opinion you should never be convinced of a read unless you have evidence OR the play is so obviously scummy that almost everyone picks up on it. Then he pulls out the bad play card again, something I have been told isn't any good. His follow up is much of the same "Again, I'm just trying to get discussion going early on. I realize I was a bit too eager to get a read off and again I'm gonna have to point to my inexperience" with the whole inexperience thing acting as a crutch Now lets get to some of his earlier posts. Now while Myles and Promethelax have gone over most of the points I mean to make here there are something I want to point out He has 7-10 posts that are in anyway related to this, the rest are just there to say "I'm still in the game gimme a bit more time to make an argument". While I realize that he could have been telling the truth, There are many places in this world with computers and an internet connection, be it a library or a computer cafe. On June 30 2012 10:29 Intact wrote: I'm going to stand by my read as analectus being scum but I have also become very suspicious of promethelax. People may have been bandwagoning analectus but as soon as he got into lynching territory promethelax show up with a long thread pointing out someone else, thereby making some people switch vote. This causes divisions and tensions among the town which is exactly what the scum want. I lean more towards fencer just playing badly and promethelax trying to save his scum partner analectus. Now he stands by his read but also puts one onto Promethelax who at the time was with JH the only people giving advice and direction. He says that because Promethelax was trying to help by making an argument he was scummy. Due to time I'm pushing this out so its not as finished as I would like. ##Vote Intact because I feel that is the best course of action for the town right now. | ||
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On July 04 2012 03:59 AmericanUmlaut wrote: EBWOP: I should clarify what I mean when I say I'm very nervous about the lynch. Town play has not been good this game, which has left us with more scummy-looking players than there are actual scum. Assuming there's even one PBU in this game who knows how to play without looking like the second coming of GG.Nore, we're lynching into a population that includes way too many friendlies for comfort. Even making the best reads we can, we're taking a percentage gamble that I'm really not happy about. *Twitch* That was what I was saying before and I got bitched at for it.... | ||
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On July 05 2012 10:55 Promethelax wrote: Okay, clearly Keirathi thinks I am scum and a reasonable and well thought out response doesn't change his mind. I am not going to bother to defend myself against this since Kier won't listen to reason. If he is going to force everyone to mislynch me I want to get as many of my reads and the reasons for them into the thread so that when I flip green you townies will have more to work with, assuming that a medic protects someone tonight! Come on medic no one will look down on you for batting .333. So, Keir, if you have anything that you want me to respond to ask me directly. If you just want to suggest that I am scum for no good reason I'm not going to bother to respond. We won't gain anything by me shitting up the thread with my defense so I'm going to give you solid reads instead, if you are town I hope you'll realize that I am too; if you aren't I don't really care what you think. If you really have read my filter so closely I would expect you to have realized that I am not red. So first: my scum reads. I am leaving Fencar out of this because he has been replaced but I still think he is probably scum and I hope that we all give his replacement a cold hard look. Blind-Rawr, now Keir, is scum. I never really thought that Blindy was was defiantly scum, or more accurately I never looked at him because there was nothing to look at. His filter is...ten posts long after the start of the game until the point where he was replaced. He never gave us a single read and he could have either been new at town or at scum. He seemed scummy by virtue of his lurking and his lack of reads but he was never my scummiest read and I never followed through on looking into him really. The thing is as soon as he was replaced we got an active player with grandiose reads covering everyone in the thread. He came in here and told us to ignore the scummy vibe everyone had on Blindy and to totally pay attention to his reads. His reads that put me on the top of a scum list. Now like the reast of you, barring scum and dt if we have one, I have a total of one mod-confirmed townie alive in this game. That townie is me and I feel like I have done a good job in that role to work for town and to find mafia, this is reflected in the town read that everyone had on me until Kierth came into the thread, until he showed up no one thought I was mafia and I don't believe that anyone does now. Every townie in this game has a town read on me because of my behaviour. Keir says it is because of how much I post. My filter is three pages long. Count 'em. You know who else has a three page filter? Statistically speaking you do. Myles is on three pages, so is Umlaut, and Hopeless is as well. JH has four pages and he died n1. Lurkers like Bob, Iamimperfection and even Anacletus have two page filters. So why does Kier attack me with this facitius reason? I can't think of any reason for town to distort the facts like this; I can think of a reason for scum to do it though, they want me dead. There has to be a reason that scum killed Sciberbia and not me since we were the most active and the guys who were most well thought of as green. I assume everyone else had a town read on Sciberbia since I did. The only reason I can think of is that I had more of a filter and therefore more things that could be called scummy by scum players or that Sciberbia had better scum reads than me. I wasn't sure that Blindy was scum but Sciberbia sure thought so, you can tell by the way he voted for him: Keir's one big post is a re-hash of everything that has happened in thread. He calls it his notes and there are a few observations thrown in but it feels like a a huge post that screams “look at me! Look at me! I am totally contributing!” without actually contributing. I'll link the post and you can read it over for yourself, it is so big that I skimmed it this morning when I had to run to work but it actually doesn't add as much as something of that length should. In that long long post Kier calls Sciberbia 25% lilely to be scum. And when Sciberbia dies and flips town he says: look at that attempt to gain towncred. Sciberbia was my best town read too but you'll notice that I acted on that before his death. Although I guess that is true based on what he said, 25% is the lowest chance of flipping scum he gives followed by two thirties and everyone else has a 50% chance or greater, talk about hedging your bets and leaving yourself an out. So I think that Sciberbia was right, BlinD-Rawr was scum and so is kier. My bet is that Hopeless1der is also scum. I have already made a case about him and here it is On top of this he has continued to post in a scummy was and when I came under attack he soft defended me I think that he knows that I am green and knows that if I am lynched having defended me will look good. Once I flip green the town will probably lynch Kier (assuming we get our medic save at night, we may as well plan to succeed since planning for failure won't help us) and Keir has said that Hopeless is his next scummiest read after me. Hopeless has defended me. I believe that the scum plan is to get me mislynched in return for probably just straight winning and, if they don't win, losing one of their own and confirming a second as town in everyone's eyes. He also pushes Umlaut while Keir calls him town, it looks to me like scum setting up the perfect follow up mislynch after both Kier and I have flipped. It is my firm belief that Hopeless is scum. His play seemed stupid but it changed drastically, he says he got coaching but I bet it was from marvellosity and not xsksc or artanis[xp], note his familiar use of marvellosity's name here: I'd say that is from someone who has talked to 'marv' and not our coaches. Hopeless1der is scum along with Kier. Since we are in a situation where we will lose if we mislynch we lose (assuming there are no brilliant medic saves, which seem unlikely at this point) I want to talk about town reads too. It doesn't matter if scum know who we see as town, we all need to have each others' reads. Town only benefits from more information and I want to get as much of it out there as possible. The person I want to talk about is Myles, since I have made a case against him in the past as have JH and others, I think he is a possible mislynch target. Myles is, as far as I can tell, town. (look at me, spelling out that my opinions are my opinions, I wish I had more information that I could give you but I don't and I can't). So, as you know if you have read this thread, I have stated in the past that Bob is scummy. I don't think so anymore, and not just because he was celebrating Canada day with me. Bob is actually right to bring this up, we jumped on him for the exact same thought process which was worded more poorly in his case. Bringing attention to this serves no purpose if he is scum. He wouldn't want to make us re-look at his mistakes. But he focuses on them to bring attention to another player. Admitting to his own mistakes and using them to make a point, albeit a simple one, is a townie behaviour. It is also his post onto which Keir bandwaggons. Though he totally fails to mention that he isn't posting something revolutionary. I think that if Kier is scum Bob is town and, since I am sure that Kier is scum I am also sure that Bob is town. Saying what Bob said above as scum would be dumb, I am one of the most active town players and have had 0 suspicion on me all game so why would he say this? Only if he were town who actually thought that I was scum, he is wrong but green as far as I can see. To some up this post for those that don't have the patience to wade through it: Kier=Scum Hopeless=Scum Bob=Town While I thank you for the vote of confidence I still think that you are iffy. Blind/Kier is almost impossible to judge right now, and Hopeless is IMO scum. For now I'll give you the BOTD but I'm still paying attention and trying to rationalize you being scum to the others. | ||
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On July 06 2012 12:38 iamperfection wrote: Alright now that every single person has basically been accused of being scum lets get the ball going. Even if we have to no lynch we still have to vote like ghost said so we may as well put our positions out there. Ive been rereading most of my own posts as well as my the person who i fell is the scum. Looking back at my own posts i feel if you took the names away we would be very similar to each other but bob has shown his true colors Bobthelob throughout the game has tried to potray this look of "excuse me im a noob just a nervous townie dont mind me" when in truth he has been trying to subtly undermine the town while trying to blend in with the fellow lurkers such as myself. He has also tried to use the excuse that he either been sleep deprived or drunk to explain the lacking in his posts. His posts attempt to make the town look at as many people as possible trying to make us all confused by not giving any real target and trying to keep low and the atention on others. So in other words it could be anyone. So it could be hopeless or it could be somebody else plus EVERYONE NOW LOOK AT FENCAR. Ive made this point before he is trying to keep us confused and guessing by trying to lay blame on almost everyone this in no way helps the town. Saying it could be this guy is way for the scum to argue hey i was sucpicious of this guy and he turned scum so therfore im not scum. He's trying to cover all his bases. However i think a more recent play is the best piece of evidence is something that happened a bit more recently. Think back to when all the crap was sliding twoards fencar. Fencar has his little temper tantrum and picked up his ball and went home but then all the attention slides away from fencar. Bob see's and whats does he do when he gets some heat. By threating to quit just like fencar did hes hoping the heat will leave him. I saw what happened with fencar and hes trying to buy another day and getting another mislynch which will basically lead to gg. So therfore bob is scum Vote ## bobthelob Wait what? I said I've dug myself a hole because I have, you've even proved that. I don't blame you for it in the slightest. | ||
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On July 07 2012 00:21 AmericanUmlaut wrote: I've got to agree with the sentiments expressed so eloquently in this post. Do I correctly understand that you (Bob) are arguing that iamperfection's contention that you're scum is stupid ("Wait what?") because you already said that your play has been scummy as hell? I don't even know whether to read that argument as scummy or not. It's too stupid an argument to make sense coming from anybody, regardless of their alignment. No, I'm saying his post is useless, but for my opinion on what's going on right now as it seems that I won't be lynched today. The No Lynch is a good idea if we can actually get a read tomorrow, unfortunately I doubt that. A No Lynch is fine if we have any blues left, but I don't think we do. | ||
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On July 07 2012 03:55 iamperfection wrote: Why would give yourself 2 votes? if you want a no lynch just pick someone with 0. the scum could come in at the last min and get a lynch. Okay then. ##UnVote ##Vote Keirathi | ||
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In the end I still will vote for the majority but till then ##Vote Promethelax | ||
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On July 10 2012 04:52 Hopeless1der wrote: Bob, you believe the arguments against me are more believable. However, you also believe that Prom is scummier than me. In addition, Promethelax is one of the players who has built up a case against me. In fact, I believe it is his case that is responsible for me being accused of being scum. Given that you think Promethelax is scum, his case should not have valuable merit to you, or it should look very suspicious to you. If you think he is scum, there is a good chance that I am not scum and therefore you would do well to vote against the player that Promethelax voted for. The alternative is that we are both scum and Promethelax is sacrificing me for the good of the scum team. Figuring out this situation is the reason we want you to go through the thread and post your reads. It would make it clearer what your opinion is, and make it easier for us to decide who to vote for based on who out of the players most heavily involved are scummiest. Yes you have a point but unfortunately it doesn't matter, he could be busing you or you might not be scum, what matters is what the others think, if we can get a vote on Prome and he gets lynched I think we win, but I think people will be voting you over him and Ulmaut. Also just because he might be scum does't make his reads any worse, I've gone through them and he's right on almost all of his points. I like Prome a lot but in my opinion he's scummy as hell. That's all I have to say for now, everything else I have to say would just be a rehashing of something said earlier. | ||
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On July 10 2012 05:06 AmericanUmlaut wrote: Totally off topic, guys, but seriously, how hard is it to spell "Umlaut"? I've just been copying everybody else sorry | ||
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On July 10 2012 05:37 Keirathi wrote: Hopeless: how would you feel about voting Prom at this point instead of AU, if Bob is so against voting AU? I gave them basically an equal read earlier today. My main reason not voting Prom instead of AU was that I didn't feel confident enough in my debate skill to convince people who had given Prom support and basically a free ride throughout the whole game to vote for him at this point. If he survived another night, maybe, but with the way today has gone, its virtually guaranteed that he will survive another night regardless of if he's scum or not. I call bullshit on this, If you thought it was him then you should have at least said so, you are getting more and more scummy as the day goes on, what the fuck is up with that. | ||
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On July 10 2012 05:43 Hopeless1der wrote: Bob, Keirathi has said Prom is his top read all along. And holy shit you got judgmental all of a sudden. Where the hell was this when we needed it. His reasoning is laid out in this post: + Show Spoiler + On July 10 2012 01:52 Keirathi wrote: I don't necessarily think he is scummier than you. I also don't think I'm a good enough debater/convincing enough to get people that have shown you support all game to vote for you. The longer you stay alive, the scummier you seem, so while I feel you and AU and approx. the same read right now, I'm a bit more comfortable voting him today than you. If you really want, I can lay out my full case against you, too, though. I dunno, its hard to explain. His recent posting reeks of...desperation? But basically my whole scumread on him was based on his Day 1 actions, and there's virtually nothing since then that really feels scummy. I haven't completely dismissed him, but for now I'm not voting for him. As far as my percentages changing, my reads were from Day1+Night1+Day2+half of Night2. Now I've been playing for another Half of Night2+Day3+Night3+Day4. There's basically double the information now. Ah I forgot about that I'm sorry, at any rate where was I, I was dealing with personal shit, my grandmother was in the hospital, but as I said its all good now. | ||
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