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On July 06 2012 01:58 Hopeless1der wrote:Okay so we all want our reads on the table. I'm going through each player's filter and getting a feel for them based on the game so far. This won't be incredibly detailed but if you see something you'd like me to specifically expand on I'll look into it further: - Myles - Leaning towards town at present
- Myles has been keeping up it seems with just enough content to avoid too much suspicion. However, he hasn't really committed to any strong reads. His longest post is in defense of himself. Both times he's voted, it had the feel of "well the rest of town thinks its a good idea"
+ Show Spoiler +On July 01 2012 03:53 Myles wrote:
OK, considering we have just over 3 hours left, I'm going to cast my vote for Anacletus. After barely contributing, then barely defending himself, he's pretty much disappeared completely. While not the most damning of evidence, it certainly seems scummy to me since a good way to draw attention from yourself is to lay low and let other people take heat - you know, out of sight out of mind.
Fencer is suspicious, but after looking through all his posts some more, seems more newbish than scum. I'm certainly not going to turn a blind eye, but I'll give him the BotD for now.
And despite other people not seeming to care, BobTheLob is quite suspicious to me. Lurker extraordinaire and his last post doesn't elicit much confidence imo.
##Vote Analectus On July 04 2012 04:41 Myles wrote:
I'm going to pull the trigger and vote intact. He seems like the best choice given the information we have. As has been discussed, there's too many inconsistencies with the bandwagon, reads, and ability to post.
- He also hasn't posted a goddamn thing of merit since before Intact got lynched. Says he will "take a look tomorrow" (today). His excuse makes sense, but the timing is very unfortunate for us.
- His posts consistently identify suspicious behavior but lack the confidence to get a meaningful case going.
- His lack of conviction and detailed contributions make him suspicious to me, but he's never had to actively pursue a case on someone because we've had people doing it for us and never really needed his input to push a case. We've also not had any luck in finding scum, so I can't say if his posting would change if we were to start a case on legitimate scum. For now, he appears townie that's just keeping up with the thread and supporting the cases he thinks are of merit.
Yea. He's been on the vote for both townies (hammer vote day1, almost hammer vote day 2), which is bad enough in itself, but he really hasn't said a ton of useful things. Or, rather, has not committed to the few useful things he has said.
And his outburst at the start of n2 was pretty...odd, to say the least. If you don't want townies to die, make cases against the people you think are scum, dont just ride the bandwagon with everyone else.
Despite that, and despite him being my second highest read coming into today, I'm giving him the BOTD right now.
On July 06 2012 01:58 Hopeless1der wrote:- BobTheLob - Leaning Town
- Bob's been pretty lurky, and when called out on it, he made an "everyone could be scum post". Looks like desperate townie to me, just trying to contribute something, anything he can. Scum, I feel, would have made more of an effort to not look wishy-washy.
- The deflated behavior going into today feels consistent with his posting of being a newbie and getting ragged on throughout the game
I'm not quite as sold. If we assume at least one (and probably 2) of the more active posters are scum, then out of the lurkers, he has one of the better cases imo.
He lurks so hard, but he has conveniently showed up 2 times exactly when someone posts a big case against him. He, like Myles and Promethelax, was on both of the bandwagon townie kills.
He accused you, and later Prom, but didn't make cases against either one of you, just expecting other people to make them.
He wouldn't be the first person I would vote, but depending how long he lasts, I am definitely keeping an eye on him.
On July 06 2012 01:58 Hopeless1der wrote:-
BLinD-RawR > Keirathi - Probably Scum
- I posted a read on BLiND-RawR before he was replaced. I was not impressed with his response to the case I presented on him and it reinforced my idea that he was scum
- Keirathi's method of taking notes was fine to start with, as he gets to build his own reads from scratch, but he insists that his goal is get other people talking and really only give us a scum number. He has a list of scummy behavior, which he admits is exactly what it is, but he hasn't gone back to make connections that are absolutely crucial at this stage to pinpoint the scum. Anyone could be scum as far as his list is concerned.
- Promethelax was far and away his scummiest read, sciberbia as his towniest read was shot. There is definately a benefit to playing things out this way, as you potentialy get huge town cred and get to paint a massive target on Promethelax. One of them is almost certainly scum. I think Promethelax is our strongest town read remaining, and by planting the seed of doubt going into MYLO, the scum only need to pull one of the town over to their way of thinking to keep themselves alive (Either by mislynch tomorrow or no-lynch today).
Point 1: I can't really say much about that. I obviously had no control over what he did or said. He did have some things that could be misconstrued as scummy, but I can only believe it was because he was a newbie and didn't know how to play.
Point 2:
Myles - Leaning towards town at present
AmericanÜmlaut - Scum
BobTheLob - Leaning Town
BLinD-RawR > Keirathi - Probably Scum
iamperfection - Leaning towards Scum
Promethelax - Still Town
Fencer710 > Miltonkram - NULL
You complain about me saying anyone could be scum, but you have a list that basically says that anyone could be scum at the same time. Your words for each person are the exact same thing as my numbers.
Also + Show Spoiler +Scum, I feel, would have made more of an effort to not look wishy-washy.
Point 3: Lets make the assumption that I am scum, and I want to win. All I need to do is get a NK last night, and then get a lynch today (or tomorrow if theres a no-lynch). Why in the HELL would I pick Prom as my target to go after for that 1 lynch? It makes ZERO FUCKING SENSE. There are so much easier cases to make, and NK'ing Prom would have taken out one of the active people trying to steer cases towards people. And you can't say that NK'ing him would have pointed fingers at me, because he literally had NEVER made a case against BlinD. At worst he said he would look into BlinD after Intact died.
On July 06 2012 01:58 Hopeless1der wrote: - iamperfection - Leaning towards Scum
- Kind of lurky, similar to Myles in terms of amount of content and commitment to his reads. However, did start a case against bobthelob. Bob never seemed like he was at risk of getting into hot water, so kind of a throwaway vote.
- Hasn't contributed much to discussing the reasoning behind NK's or building cases in general.
- Willing to spend time discussing merits of No-Lynch, but has lurked otherwise. - Suspicious
- Comparing with Myles I get a very similar read, but perfection has less posts with almost as much content. This feels like he's spending a lot more time constructing his posts, which is a scum quality to me
Interesting. I haven't been able to get much of a read on him, but you make some compelling points. Duly noted. I'll take another look through his filter now.
One minor point of contention: he said he thought no-lynch was a bad idea, and that we needed to lynch today.
On July 06 2012 01:58 Hopeless1der wrote:- Promethelax - Still Town
- Strong posts, plenty of reads on all suspicious behavior. Explains his actions and shows minimal contradictions.
- Any "contradictory" behavior seems related to players that were replaced
- He's actively tried pushing cases, but reconsiders when new evidence or scummier behavior becomes apparent. Doesn't tunnel into someone.
- Responds to most cases and gives his input, fleshing out the cases further and adding his own conclusions.
I'm not really going to comment much on these. I'll agree to disagree, for now.
He has been flip-floppy though. And he's one of the 3 people that were on both townie bandwagons, even when he claims they weren't his top scum reads.
On July 06 2012 01:58 Hopeless1der wrote:-
Fencer710 > Miltonkram - NULL
- I don't know...I really don't =\
- If Milton continues to lurk, he's scum in my book. Lurking replacement is completely unacceptable
Yea, like I mentioned in my notes, Fencar's posting really throws me for a loop. He flip-flopped around d1, had very little in the way of actually contributing, voted for Anacletus, but all the while it kind of seemed like he was just a newbie. His defense of Prom on day1 when Prom had been pushing hard on him all day was so out of nowhere. He was really all over the place.
And yea, Milton said he was going to be gone 8-12 hours and then would catch up. Its been 24 hours. Where are you?
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I'm going to be honest even though it's going to make me look bad - I still don't have a fucking clue. Unless someone slips up ridiculously, any vote I make is no better then a coin flip based on the info I can see - even Fencar at this point. Call that scummy/non-committal/whatever if you want, but its my true belief and I'm not going to write some bullshit post that about stuff I don't believe in.
And since a few people brought it up, my outburst on N2 was because I pretty confident Intact was scum, was wrong, and have greatly contributed to our own demise with my wrong reads/votes; plus we have no information from blues and can't be sure about anything - that's really frustrating.
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Ok, finally back in the thread. I was expecting to get in here sooner but RL got in the way.
Once I get back from work I'll reread the thread and post my reads. I don't think I've seen a newbie game where every scum player hasn't slipped at least once. It's very possible to find scum players at this point, especially with two whole cycles to pull from. Townies keep your heads up. This game isn't over until it's over. I'll be back soon.
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Myles wrote:
I'm not going to write some bullshit post that about stuff I don't believe in.
So don't write up a bullshit post that you don't believe in. Write up a post with observations about the game, and the pros and cons about each person. Your perspective on people and what they've said is important, even if you're too non-committal to draw a conclusion.
@Milton, perfection, Bob, Umlaut: Where are you guys? This is getting ridiculous.
OOC: I would be curious to see what would happen in this game if all the active posters who make cases and keep the thread flowing were killed off (or just kept silent for a full day cycle). Who would step up? Would there just be 45 hours of nothing, then 3 hours of people voting? It's pretty frustrating.
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Alright now that every single person has basically been accused of being scum lets get the ball going. Even if we have to no lynch we still have to vote like ghost said so we may as well put our positions out there. Ive been rereading most of my own posts as well as my the person who i fell is the scum. Looking back at my own posts i feel if you took the names away we would be very similar to each other but bob has shown his true colors
Bobthelob throughout the game has tried to potray this look of "excuse me im a noob just a nervous townie dont mind me" when in truth he has been trying to subtly undermine the town while trying to blend in with the fellow lurkers such as myself. He has also tried to use the excuse that he either been sleep deprived or drunk to explain the lacking in his posts.
I prefer "Paranoid as hell dude who has no idea what to do" to "towny scared out of shell" JH.
On July 03 2012 16:15 BobTheLob wrote:
Will be leaving in about 5 minuets so if you have a response to my post please post the gist of it now so I can respond
Sleep deprivation's a bitch
On July 02 2012 09:26 BobTheLob wrote:
Yay not me! :D :D :D :D :D What reads do you have on me(Besides scared/drunk/hasnoideawhattodo)
His posts attempt to make the town look at as many people as possible trying to make us all confused by not giving any real target and trying to keep low and the atention on others.
On July 02 2012 07:24 BobTheLob wrote:
Lets overthink this a bit. JH could have been killed so that he would shut up OR he so that we would be thrown off the trail of the real Scum. So it could be someone he said it was OR the opposite.
(In the same boat with promethelax but with Rum+coke>beer)
So in other words it could be anyone.
On July 02 2012 08:42 BobTheLob wrote:
Also hopeless makes since now butttttt I still think he's a bit iffy Fencer wit the early vote wtf dude! EXPLAIN
So it could be hopeless or it could be somebody else plus EVERYONE NOW LOOK AT FENCAR.
On July 01 2012 09:03 BobTheLob wrote:
Okay, I've lurked this entire game and I'm starting to realize that that is a bad idea, now on the topic of reads: iamperfection and I am very fucking suspicious We're screwed by nature of our habits. See lurking
People are bandwagoning onto fencer now I agree he was acting odd but it's not conclusive
Jingle and Promethelax are working together quite well and the rest of us are just following them. They seem to have alot of the same ideas... paying attention to them
Myles hasn't posted to little or to much, he's playing it super safe. Not a clue
Blind is, more or less in the same boat as me albeit a bit less so. See above
AmericanUmlaut is doing quite well all his moves are well thought out but we still have no idea what side he's on could be one could be the other. No idea for him either
Hopeless1der also seems to be the victim of a bit of bandwagoning but he seems pretty cool I'm thinking he's a town but hey I could be wrong
Lastly Intact has been promoting conversation since the game began but seems to be in the same boat as me and perfection in that he hasn't posted enough. also not posting enough but I don't know
That's all I got, keeping in mind that we have only one death so far and the night is going to be the most important bit so far because as Jingle said, the scum will try to set someone up
Do games normally move this pace or faster/slower?
Ive made this point before he is trying to keep us confused and guessing by trying to lay blame on almost everyone this in no way helps the town. Saying it could be this guy is way for the scum to argue hey i was sucpicious of this guy and he turned scum so therfore im not scum. He's trying to cover all his bases.
However i think a more recent play is the best piece of evidence is something that happened a bit more recently. Think back to when all the crap was sliding twoards fencar. Fencar has his little temper tantrum and picked up his ball and went home but then all the attention slides away from fencar. Bob see's and whats does he do when he gets some heat.
On July 04 2012 12:11 BobTheLob wrote:
I've more or less given up, I dug myself a hole. I realize that I look scummy as hell and there is very little I can do to convince you otherwise because if I suddenly got a whole bunch of shit put together and did some epic reads it would just be me doing damage control and still look scummy. Now IMO Prome is scum and that's who I'll be voting tomorrow if we don't get anything better. Also I realize that I'm dead sooooooo... Yeah FML.
By threating to quit just like fencar did hes hoping the heat will leave him. I saw what happened with fencar and hes trying to buy another day and getting another mislynch which will basically lead to gg.
So therfore bob is scum
Vote ## bobthelob
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also i will be more active now since i think its crunch time and i think i can be very good at this game when i put my mind to it.
I will be back early tommorow morning.
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@ Keirathi
I'm doing the best I can. Replacing into this game has been ridiculously hard. I just got caught up on the thread and am now reading through filters. I'll give an update on my reads shortly.
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I think I have a pretty compelling argument for who we should lynch today... wait for it... ... ... ...
iamperfection
Here's the case:
He bandwagons onto both Anacletus and Fencer/me with this post.
Im torn between fencer and anceltus. I dont like the way fencer tried to bandwagon onto someone elses logic. On anceltus i dont really know i think he just posts a lot and he kind of clamed up when some of the suspicion came up. Im leaning more twoards fencer but im new at this so i will wait for more of discussion before casting my vote.
Notice that he has an opinion, albeit a weak one, on which of the players is the stronger scum read. If he were town, logic dictates that he would then pursue the player he has a stronger scum read on. Any well meaning townie would do that, whether through discussion, questioning, or just further analysis of a player's posts. If you look through his later posts, he doesn't. This leads me to believe that he really didn't care which one got lynched. Knowing what I know, that Anacletus and I are/were both town, his apathy towards the players in the crosshairs looks particularly damning. Also, the fact that he had a stronger scumread on Fencer makes the following posts quite suspect.
Although i dont agree with the line of thinking that got the bandwagon on anacletus, You have to say something anacletus! Ill give you a few more hours before i cast my vote.
He doesn't agree with the line of thinking that got Anacletus on the chopping block. Then why does he still support the lynch effort against him?
I think Anacletus is more suspicious than Fencer710. I think at this point it is likely that one or the other is likely scum just from the way they are posting. I also buy the defense that fencer gave more than the defense that anacletus gave. I think fencer argument that his actions are that of a noob townie make sense.
so i vote## Anacletus
Let me get this straight. First he finds Fencer more suspicious than Anacletus, but he doesn't actively pursue Fencer at all. Then he disagrees with the line of thinking that led to the bandwagon on Anacletus, but in the end he finds Anacletus more suspicious than Fencer. This does not make sense other than the fact that he really didn't care which of the players got lynched. That type of attitude doesn't make sense for anyone but scum. I think his play can be classified as a fairly major scumslip, one that I'm surprised hasn't been caught.
If this isn't enough to convince you here are a few other scummy parts of his play:
- He hasn't pursued cases or players with very much urgency.
- He once classified BobTheLob's play as "bad townie," but has since flip-flopped his opinion. What reasons are there for him to flip-flop at this time? A scum victory is really close. He could be going after a weak player in order to get the win.
- He seems really self-aware of his own status as a lurker, but has never explained why he hasn't been in the thread. IMO most townie lurkers have good reasons for there lack of posting. I would call iamperfection's style "active lurking" or "lurking with purpose."
If you just look at his filter you can see the lack of urgency he's played with and the suspicious logic behind his Fencer to Anacletus flip-flop. He's slipped and he has slipped hard. Let's lynch this guy.
##Vote: iamperfection
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On July 06 2012 12:38 iamperfection wrote:Alright now that every single person has basically been accused of being scum lets get the ball going. Even if we have to no lynch we still have to vote like ghost said so we may as well put our positions out there. Ive been rereading most of my own posts as well as my the person who i fell is the scum. Looking back at my own posts i feel if you took the names away we would be very similar to each other but bob has shown his true colors Bobthelob throughout the game has tried to potray this look of "excuse me im a noob just a nervous townie dont mind me" when in truth he has been trying to subtly undermine the town while trying to blend in with the fellow lurkers such as myself. He has also tried to use the excuse that he either been sleep deprived or drunk to explain the lacking in his posts. Show nested quote +I prefer "Paranoid as hell dude who has no idea what to do" to "towny scared out of shell" JH. Show nested quote +On July 03 2012 16:15 BobTheLob wrote:
Will be leaving in about 5 minuets so if you have a response to my post please post the gist of it now so I can respond
Sleep deprivation's a bitch Show nested quote +On July 02 2012 09:26 BobTheLob wrote:
Yay not me! :D :D :D :D :D What reads do you have on me(Besides scared/drunk/hasnoideawhattodo) His posts attempt to make the town look at as many people as possible trying to make us all confused by not giving any real target and trying to keep low and the atention on others. Show nested quote +On July 02 2012 07:24 BobTheLob wrote:
Lets overthink this a bit. JH could have been killed so that he would shut up OR he so that we would be thrown off the trail of the real Scum. So it could be someone he said it was OR the opposite.
(In the same boat with promethelax but with Rum+coke>beer) So in other words it could be anyone. Show nested quote +On July 02 2012 08:42 BobTheLob wrote:
Also hopeless makes since now butttttt I still think he's a bit iffy Fencer wit the early vote wtf dude! EXPLAIN So it could be hopeless or it could be somebody else plus EVERYONE NOW LOOK AT FENCAR. Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 09:03 BobTheLob wrote:
Okay, I've lurked this entire game and I'm starting to realize that that is a bad idea, now on the topic of reads: iamperfection and I am very fucking suspicious We're screwed by nature of our habits. See lurking
People are bandwagoning onto fencer now I agree he was acting odd but it's not conclusive
Jingle and Promethelax are working together quite well and the rest of us are just following them. They seem to have alot of the same ideas... paying attention to them
Myles hasn't posted to little or to much, he's playing it super safe. Not a clue
Blind is, more or less in the same boat as me albeit a bit less so. See above
AmericanUmlaut is doing quite well all his moves are well thought out but we still have no idea what side he's on could be one could be the other. No idea for him either
Hopeless1der also seems to be the victim of a bit of bandwagoning but he seems pretty cool I'm thinking he's a town but hey I could be wrong
Lastly Intact has been promoting conversation since the game began but seems to be in the same boat as me and perfection in that he hasn't posted enough. also not posting enough but I don't know
That's all I got, keeping in mind that we have only one death so far and the night is going to be the most important bit so far because as Jingle said, the scum will try to set someone up
Do games normally move this pace or faster/slower?
Ive made this point before he is trying to keep us confused and guessing by trying to lay blame on almost everyone this in no way helps the town. Saying it could be this guy is way for the scum to argue hey i was sucpicious of this guy and he turned scum so therfore im not scum. He's trying to cover all his bases. However i think a more recent play is the best piece of evidence is something that happened a bit more recently. Think back to when all the crap was sliding twoards fencar. Fencar has his little temper tantrum and picked up his ball and went home but then all the attention slides away from fencar. Bob see's and whats does he do when he gets some heat. Show nested quote +On July 04 2012 12:11 BobTheLob wrote:
I've more or less given up, I dug myself a hole. I realize that I look scummy as hell and there is very little I can do to convince you otherwise because if I suddenly got a whole bunch of shit put together and did some epic reads it would just be me doing damage control and still look scummy. Now IMO Prome is scum and that's who I'll be voting tomorrow if we don't get anything better. Also I realize that I'm dead sooooooo... Yeah FML. By threating to quit just like fencar did hes hoping the heat will leave him. I saw what happened with fencar and hes trying to buy another day and getting another mislynch which will basically lead to gg. So therfore bob is scum Vote ## bobthelob
Wait what? I said I've dug myself a hole because I have, you've even proved that. I don't blame you for it in the slightest.
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I figured this might help people's reads on me. This is a list of previous games I've been in on TL. Spoilered so it won't take up too much space.
+ Show Spoiler +
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Going to sleep. I'd really appreciate some input on the iamperfection case I put together. I think at this point he is the best choice for lynch. I'll be up before the lynch proceedings happen, hopefully with enough time to contribute more analysis.
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I'm back!
I'm really sorry that I was MIA yesterday. Like I said before, my dad is visiting from America for a week. I skipped my lunch break, but I had assumed he'd crash really early and I'd be able to come in here at night, and then we ended up playing Caylus until midnight  .
So what's been going on in here...
The No-Lynch option
If we really have no good reads, then no-lynching and hoping for a better read tomorrow is better than mislynching. We're 5 town and 3 PBUs now: One mislynch without a medic save at night ends the game. The disadvantage is that tomorrow we'll have most likely lost one of our better players, since the PBUs appear to be taking people out according to their ability to argue effectively, and because of the numbers the debate tomorrow will be more strongly dominated by PBUs (assuming they're not all lurking) than by town players. On balance, I would say that no-lynching is worth it if we don't think that we've got a better than 70% or so chance of hitting scum tonight.
Hopeless1der & Keirathi
Also, no one seems to have acknowledged my case on Intact. Presumably because I've been looking so scummy, but anyways I'll quote myself here in case you don't feel like going to look for it. To be honest, AmericanUmlaut's is a better version of my read.
The most suspicious person I've identified based on the way the game has progressed is AmericanUmlaut...He also backed the Intact case, essentially copying mine and expanding on it, but never actually acknowledged that I'd made a case.
In fact, I didn't make my case on Intact based on yours, though when you pointed out that my case was like a better version of yours I could see the similarities. At the time, my read of you was very, very scummy; I would never have used one of your posts as a starting point for my own argument. I was working from the assumption that one of the four players with a conspicuously small number of posts was very likely a PBU. I opened each of their filters, read them, and drew my conclusions from that - the fact that we both reached the same conclusions is an indication of how obvious Intact's scummy play was.
If I assume that you're town, your arguments are seriously weird. I'm scummy because I agreed with one of the points that you made, but didn't give you acknowledgement? And because I voted for Anacletus (before changing my mind and joining JingleHell in voting against you) and then -- just like you -- for Intact?
Once Keirathi posted his detailed read of the thread so far, Umlaut felt it was necessary to piece-by-piece defend himself but has been pretty mute on the course of events otherwise. This isn't pro-town and sounds like he just wants to deflate Keirathi's contribution so that we end up with less credible information.
Again, this is a pretty weird argument. Keirathi popped in as a replacement for a scummy player and posted scummy-looking reads of every player in the game (never mind that he put vague numbers before his "everyone could be scum" list), and you're surprised that I took the time to contradict his points? Debate of that nature is the core of the game that we're playing; the fact that Anacletus and Impact felt no need to defend themselves against our accusations is exactly the reason that we're in the predicament we find ourselves in.
So who has demonstrated enthusiasm for Hopeless's analysis so far? Only Keirathi, who (not to overly belabor a point) seems to have a strategy of flinging poo in every direction and seeing what sticks.
I've gone back and forth on Hopeless since the start of the game, but I am now firmly convinced that we'd be well on our way to winning this game if JH and I had gotten more support to ban him day 1. His case against Blind-RawR day 2 was not a clumsy attempt at provoking a mislynch; it was a clumsy attempt at bussing his way out of the scummy read he'd developed day 1. Now he and Blind-RawRKeirathi are pushing cases every which way, while making sure to disagree just enough, and to post their suspicions of each other. I smell an attempt to see where the kernel of a mislynch forms so that they can drop the hammer and end the game. And if the worst happens and one of us smells that something's up, they've got a couple of nice juicy posts to quote for towncred.
The only question is which is the better lynch. Promethelax, you're by far my best town read right now, and I see that you've come to the same conclusion that I have with regard to Kier and Hopeless (<--- I'm acknowledging you, please don't get angry at me later for agreeing with your points). Who do you think is the better candidate? What do the rest of you think?
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As you can see I've been gone for a little while, unfortunately Real Life and I have had some things to work out. I will be voting now for Hopeless, who I think is slightly scummier than Kier. I re-read the thread and it is Hopeless' filter than stands out as scummy throughout the whole game, I am pretty sure that both are scum but am more confident of Hopeless.
Hopeless started people down the Intact road, which Umlat followed up with using a much better case. We lynched into Intact and killed another townie. It is time for us to kill scum and Hopeless is it. I have made cases on him through much of this game and truly believe that he is red.
I will once again be gone for some time (work and other RL concerns) but in the meantime:
Vote: Hopeless
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On July 06 2012 14:38 BobTheLob wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2012 12:38 iamperfection wrote:Alright now that every single person has basically been accused of being scum lets get the ball going. Even if we have to no lynch we still have to vote like ghost said so we may as well put our positions out there. Ive been rereading most of my own posts as well as my the person who i fell is the scum. Looking back at my own posts i feel if you took the names away we would be very similar to each other but bob has shown his true colors Bobthelob throughout the game has tried to potray this look of "excuse me im a noob just a nervous townie dont mind me" when in truth he has been trying to subtly undermine the town while trying to blend in with the fellow lurkers such as myself. He has also tried to use the excuse that he either been sleep deprived or drunk to explain the lacking in his posts. I prefer "Paranoid as hell dude who has no idea what to do" to "towny scared out of shell" JH. On July 03 2012 16:15 BobTheLob wrote:
Will be leaving in about 5 minuets so if you have a response to my post please post the gist of it now so I can respond
Sleep deprivation's a bitch On July 02 2012 09:26 BobTheLob wrote:
Yay not me! :D :D :D :D :D What reads do you have on me(Besides scared/drunk/hasnoideawhattodo) His posts attempt to make the town look at as many people as possible trying to make us all confused by not giving any real target and trying to keep low and the atention on others. On July 02 2012 07:24 BobTheLob wrote:
Lets overthink this a bit. JH could have been killed so that he would shut up OR he so that we would be thrown off the trail of the real Scum. So it could be someone he said it was OR the opposite.
(In the same boat with promethelax but with Rum+coke>beer) So in other words it could be anyone. On July 02 2012 08:42 BobTheLob wrote:
Also hopeless makes since now butttttt I still think he's a bit iffy Fencer wit the early vote wtf dude! EXPLAIN So it could be hopeless or it could be somebody else plus EVERYONE NOW LOOK AT FENCAR. On July 01 2012 09:03 BobTheLob wrote:
Okay, I've lurked this entire game and I'm starting to realize that that is a bad idea, now on the topic of reads: iamperfection and I am very fucking suspicious We're screwed by nature of our habits. See lurking
People are bandwagoning onto fencer now I agree he was acting odd but it's not conclusive
Jingle and Promethelax are working together quite well and the rest of us are just following them. They seem to have alot of the same ideas... paying attention to them
Myles hasn't posted to little or to much, he's playing it super safe. Not a clue
Blind is, more or less in the same boat as me albeit a bit less so. See above
AmericanUmlaut is doing quite well all his moves are well thought out but we still have no idea what side he's on could be one could be the other. No idea for him either
Hopeless1der also seems to be the victim of a bit of bandwagoning but he seems pretty cool I'm thinking he's a town but hey I could be wrong
Lastly Intact has been promoting conversation since the game began but seems to be in the same boat as me and perfection in that he hasn't posted enough. also not posting enough but I don't know
That's all I got, keeping in mind that we have only one death so far and the night is going to be the most important bit so far because as Jingle said, the scum will try to set someone up
Do games normally move this pace or faster/slower?
Ive made this point before he is trying to keep us confused and guessing by trying to lay blame on almost everyone this in no way helps the town. Saying it could be this guy is way for the scum to argue hey i was sucpicious of this guy and he turned scum so therfore im not scum. He's trying to cover all his bases. However i think a more recent play is the best piece of evidence is something that happened a bit more recently. Think back to when all the crap was sliding twoards fencar. Fencar has his little temper tantrum and picked up his ball and went home but then all the attention slides away from fencar. Bob see's and whats does he do when he gets some heat. On July 04 2012 12:11 BobTheLob wrote:
I've more or less given up, I dug myself a hole. I realize that I look scummy as hell and there is very little I can do to convince you otherwise because if I suddenly got a whole bunch of shit put together and did some epic reads it would just be me doing damage control and still look scummy. Now IMO Prome is scum and that's who I'll be voting tomorrow if we don't get anything better. Also I realize that I'm dead sooooooo... Yeah FML. By threating to quit just like fencar did hes hoping the heat will leave him. I saw what happened with fencar and hes trying to buy another day and getting another mislynch which will basically lead to gg. So therfore bob is scum Vote ## bobthelob Wait what? I said I've dug myself a hole because I have, you've even proved that. I don't blame you for it in the slightest.
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On July 06 2012 21:36 AmericanUmlaut wrote:
The No-Lynch option
If we really have no good reads, then no-lynching and hoping for a better read tomorrow is better than mislynching. We're 5 town and 3 PBUs now: One mislynch without a medic save at night ends the game. The disadvantage is that tomorrow we'll have most likely lost one of our better players, since the PBUs appear to be taking people out according to their ability to argue effectively, and because of the numbers the debate tomorrow will be more strongly dominated by PBUs (assuming they're not all lurking) than by town players. On balance, I would say that no-lynching is worth it if we don't think that we've got a better than 70% or so chance of hitting scum tonight.
Before I address the rest of your post, I just want to share something I realized last night. Because we can't abstain from voting, nor can we actually vote for a no-lynch, the only realistic way we can plan a no-lynch is if every townie votes for a different person. If any two townies vote for the same person, then the 3 mafia can just hammer them at the last minute and we lose.
That's not to say that a no-lynch can't accidentally happen in other ways, but its pretty unlikely. The most obvious way is if we get to the end of the day and someone has a large number of votes (say, 4) and no one hammers him. That means that person is almost certainly scum, because scum would hammer any townie at the last minute on this day because they are virtually guaranteed the win.
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On July 07 2012 00:02 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2012 21:36 AmericanUmlaut wrote:
The No-Lynch option
If we really have no good reads, then no-lynching and hoping for a better read tomorrow is better than mislynching. We're 5 town and 3 PBUs now: One mislynch without a medic save at night ends the game. The disadvantage is that tomorrow we'll have most likely lost one of our better players, since the PBUs appear to be taking people out according to their ability to argue effectively, and because of the numbers the debate tomorrow will be more strongly dominated by PBUs (assuming they're not all lurking) than by town players. On balance, I would say that no-lynching is worth it if we don't think that we've got a better than 70% or so chance of hitting scum tonight.
Before I address the rest of your post, I just want to share something I realized last night. Because we can't abstain from voting, nor can we actually vote for a no-lynch, the only realistic way we can plan a no-lynch is if every townie votes for a different person. If any two townies vote for the same person, then the 3 mafia can just hammer them at the last minute and we lose. That's not to say that a no-lynch can't accidentally happen in other ways, but its pretty unlikely. The most obvious way is if we get to the end of the day and someone has a large number of votes (say, 4) and no one hammers him. That means that person is almost certainly scum, because scum would hammer any townie at the last minute on this day because they are virtually guaranteed the win.
You're right. A simple solution would be that, if we decide a no-lynch is our best course of action, everyone vote for himself. If I remember correctly, that's allowed, and then we don't have to waste any time assigning votes to everyone.
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On July 06 2012 23:45 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2012 14:38 BobTheLob wrote:On July 06 2012 12:38 iamperfection wrote:Alright now that every single person has basically been accused of being scum lets get the ball going. Even if we have to no lynch we still have to vote like ghost said so we may as well put our positions out there. Ive been rereading most of my own posts as well as my the person who i fell is the scum. Looking back at my own posts i feel if you took the names away we would be very similar to each other but bob has shown his true colors Bobthelob throughout the game has tried to potray this look of "excuse me im a noob just a nervous townie dont mind me" when in truth he has been trying to subtly undermine the town while trying to blend in with the fellow lurkers such as myself. He has also tried to use the excuse that he either been sleep deprived or drunk to explain the lacking in his posts. I prefer "Paranoid as hell dude who has no idea what to do" to "towny scared out of shell" JH. On July 03 2012 16:15 BobTheLob wrote:
Will be leaving in about 5 minuets so if you have a response to my post please post the gist of it now so I can respond
Sleep deprivation's a bitch On July 02 2012 09:26 BobTheLob wrote:
Yay not me! :D :D :D :D :D What reads do you have on me(Besides scared/drunk/hasnoideawhattodo) His posts attempt to make the town look at as many people as possible trying to make us all confused by not giving any real target and trying to keep low and the atention on others. On July 02 2012 07:24 BobTheLob wrote:
Lets overthink this a bit. JH could have been killed so that he would shut up OR he so that we would be thrown off the trail of the real Scum. So it could be someone he said it was OR the opposite.
(In the same boat with promethelax but with Rum+coke>beer) So in other words it could be anyone. On July 02 2012 08:42 BobTheLob wrote:
Also hopeless makes since now butttttt I still think he's a bit iffy Fencer wit the early vote wtf dude! EXPLAIN So it could be hopeless or it could be somebody else plus EVERYONE NOW LOOK AT FENCAR. On July 01 2012 09:03 BobTheLob wrote:
Okay, I've lurked this entire game and I'm starting to realize that that is a bad idea, now on the topic of reads: iamperfection and I am very fucking suspicious We're screwed by nature of our habits. See lurking
People are bandwagoning onto fencer now I agree he was acting odd but it's not conclusive
Jingle and Promethelax are working together quite well and the rest of us are just following them. They seem to have alot of the same ideas... paying attention to them
Myles hasn't posted to little or to much, he's playing it super safe. Not a clue
Blind is, more or less in the same boat as me albeit a bit less so. See above
AmericanUmlaut is doing quite well all his moves are well thought out but we still have no idea what side he's on could be one could be the other. No idea for him either
Hopeless1der also seems to be the victim of a bit of bandwagoning but he seems pretty cool I'm thinking he's a town but hey I could be wrong
Lastly Intact has been promoting conversation since the game began but seems to be in the same boat as me and perfection in that he hasn't posted enough. also not posting enough but I don't know
That's all I got, keeping in mind that we have only one death so far and the night is going to be the most important bit so far because as Jingle said, the scum will try to set someone up
Do games normally move this pace or faster/slower?
Ive made this point before he is trying to keep us confused and guessing by trying to lay blame on almost everyone this in no way helps the town. Saying it could be this guy is way for the scum to argue hey i was sucpicious of this guy and he turned scum so therfore im not scum. He's trying to cover all his bases. However i think a more recent play is the best piece of evidence is something that happened a bit more recently. Think back to when all the crap was sliding twoards fencar. Fencar has his little temper tantrum and picked up his ball and went home but then all the attention slides away from fencar. Bob see's and whats does he do when he gets some heat. On July 04 2012 12:11 BobTheLob wrote:
I've more or less given up, I dug myself a hole. I realize that I look scummy as hell and there is very little I can do to convince you otherwise because if I suddenly got a whole bunch of shit put together and did some epic reads it would just be me doing damage control and still look scummy. Now IMO Prome is scum and that's who I'll be voting tomorrow if we don't get anything better. Also I realize that I'm dead sooooooo... Yeah FML. By threating to quit just like fencar did hes hoping the heat will leave him. I saw what happened with fencar and hes trying to buy another day and getting another mislynch which will basically lead to gg. So therfore bob is scum Vote ## bobthelob Wait what? I said I've dug myself a hole because I have, you've even proved that. I don't blame you for it in the slightest. what?
I've got to agree with the sentiments expressed so eloquently in this post. Do I correctly understand that you (Bob) are arguing that iamperfection's contention that you're scum is stupid ("Wait what?") because you already said that your play has been scummy as hell?
I don't even know whether to read that argument as scummy or not. It's too stupid an argument to make sense coming from anybody, regardless of their alignment.
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It's looking like I might be lynched so I'm claiming Vanilla Townie
Some of my scummy behavior is from throwaway posts early. Whether anyone believes me or not, well I tried:
On June 29 2012 07:40 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 07:19 JingleHell wrote:
Actually, if many people neglect to post, it's the worst time to lynch lurkers, so why would you suggest it, Myles? Mathematically, if 6 lurk, then, if we assume 100% of the scum are also amongst the lurkers, we're already at a coinflip to get a scum. Very true. At that point its useless to policy lurkers. Now is the time to get this crap out of the way though. I do think we need some kind of policy to follow since the game is majority Lynch. Let's figure out our options and get the scumhunt on.
On June 29 2012 07:56 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 07:32 JingleHell wrote:
And just in case people decide to show up, and start trying to take my lack of posts as suspicious, I'll be leaving in a bit for TKD. Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 07:42 JingleHell wrote:
Well, Myles, if you have a suggestion for flushing the scum with people not talking until we have something to go on, feel free to elaborate on that plan. Otherwise, I'm going to stick with the established method of getting people talking enough that we either get something to work with, or at least get enough people active to be physically capable of lynching anybody. Aha! That's what we're looking for you lieing... Or maybe 10 minutes counts as a bit... Whatevs, Not a big deal. I do probably need to read better though. Everyone else needs to hurry up and get in here, im freaking out man.
Easily done as scum to fall back on later so I don't expect this to sway anyone significantly, but consider the two posts I quoted. They're both terrible with practically no contributions, except for the role I breadcrumbed.
Since I have to vote for someone, I'm voting for AmericanUmlaut as my strongest read, and he currently has no votes. I'd prefer the no-lynch in this situation, but I cant vote No Lynch so...
##Vote: AmericanUmlaut
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On July 07 2012 00:39 Hopeless1der wrote:
It's looking like I might be lynched so I'm claiming Vanilla Townie
That's a well thought-out rebuttal.
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