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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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rastaban
United States2294 Posts
On June 27 2012 05:39 prplhz wrote: @rastaban Can you get a little more concrete than just "I read his filter" into "Town"? Sure So Day 1 you mentioned that he did pursue his vote one me, but he actually didn't want to vote for either of us and wanted to try and get a new target. Knowing as I do that I am town, and as well all do that zentor was town, I can't fault him for that though I can understand why this might not seem as compelling to you next we have this post On June 25 2012 10:30 Shraft wrote: risk.nuke you need to step up your game. Wanting to lynch lurers and then lurking hard yourself makes you look bad. On top of that your only substantial post is the one where you defend yourself (you never followed up on that post either, despite saying that you would). Why would you even bother defending that hard when nobody agreed with his case anyway? You ask for the other lurkers to share their reads and to contribute, but you do nothing of the kind yourself. Aside from lurkers, you're only suspicious of rastaban (but you haven't really shared much thought on him either, it looks more like OMGUS to me). And what the fuck is this? He would've tried to dodge the lynch regardless of his alignment, why do you act as if it is a scum tell? he pushes risk and defends me. Why would he do this unless he really meant what he had said the day before. Also I would think scum would be less likely to point out I would have tried to dodge the lynch regardless as it lessens suspicion on me who was likely to be pushed day 2. On June 27 2012 02:06 Shraft wrote: In my sleep drunken state of insanity I'm actually starting to believe that marv is somehow town... I'm going to research his play in the coming hour, and then I'll come back and post my findings. How long do we have left on the day? A couple of hours, right? He is being wishy washy on marv a bit, but I am too as is a lot of town. This lynch is a hard one to call with marv, half the time I want to kill him and half I think he defense seems legit. Thats why I currently would rather let mafia shoot him tonight if possible and make that decision for us. I don't see it as conclusive that he isn't scum, but I think we have a lot more obvious targets right now other than him. Hope that clears it up a bit. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On June 27 2012 05:50 rastaban wrote: Thats why I currently would rather let mafia shoot him tonight if possible and make that decision for us. What??? If I survive the night, why would mafia shoot me?! | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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marvellosity
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rastaban
United States2294 Posts
On June 27 2012 05:52 marvellosity wrote: What??? If I survive the night, why would mafia shoot me?! Well there were 2 roleblocks night one, so lets go with that for now. 1 was the jailer, so that leaves only 1 roleblocker left. Now both town or mafia can have a role blocker. If it is town, then they need to kill you or you get confirmed when you shoot, if it is mafia then he blocks you but we force the mafia to spend their night block on you b/c if someone else claims to have been RBed then we know you are lying and that your shot didn't work. The detective could also check you if we have one... | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
On June 27 2012 05:01 VisceraEyes wrote: Because it's 1 for 1 with ME prplhz, and you've seen what I'm capable of doing to a thread. Walk with me prplhz. Why would marvellosity want to go 1 for 1 with me in the thread, knowing it would destroy it, and knowing town wasn't going to lynch me, when he's a fucking vig and can just shoot me to death? PRPLHZ COME THE FUCK ON BRO | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
I kind of responded to part of your case already, I don't think scum would make the day2 case that marvellosity made on you 'cause they would look really bad. I think it was pretty obvious that marvellosity would get lynched over you in a 1on1 situation because of all the heat that was on him on day1. I don't think anything else in there has any indication on his alignment. Your vigilante point is really good VisceraEyes and it's done more to convince me than these two cases. I also don't like how marvellosity uses meta in his own defense 'cause this looks overly self conscious. I have just been reluctant to accept that 'cause I wanted to lynch Kurumi on the same thing in Pick Your Poison and he turned out to be town. I just really think that Shraft is scum and I have no idea what you guys are on about. I got Sbrubbles on day1 in Pick Your Poison with a similar analysis (didn't push it 'cause I wasn't confident enough in it 'cause it was a new style). | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
Instead of just explaining his motivations and actions so we understand where he's coming from, if he's town, he just stubbornly points at his previous games and clams up. The ONLY townie motivation I can IMAGINE is that he was acting scummy as a way to disguise his role: but he never says this, and even now after he's claimed he hasn't explained this as the reasoning he's been acting so strangely. If he were town, that would've been PART OF MY CLAIM. But you know, what do I know right? I'm just a guy who makes shitty claims all the time...so I haven't really been using this as a determining factor for me. It's mostly his insistence to defend himself with meta rather than just explain himself. He doesn't look like he's TRYING to figure shit out. He doesn't look like he's AGONIZING about being right or wrong. He looks like scum. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
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Shraft
Sweden701 Posts
If you cared to look up EMM, you'd see the exact same pattern. I am usually quite hesitant with lynches unless I got a strong scum read, and I don't put my vote down right off the bat. I don't use my vote like VE does. I wait until I'm content to vote for someone, and then I put my vote and let it be, barring any major events. Like I said, if you actually cared to read my previous game, you'd understand that I play this way. This part of your case is also interesting: On June 27 2012 04:40 prplhz wrote: Next is the current marvellosity wagon, we talked about it for ages but he is hesitant with his vote. He only votes after Probulous makes his big case. Earlier he said that the question-answer-thing was a bit scummy but it wasn't worth lynching marvellosity over, but now he is using that very same argument for voting for marvellosity! I also think it's very telling that he is actually saying that marvellosity is scum for saying that his own behavior is town. Why would any townie ever say that his own play is scummy when it is townie by definition? Townies think that everything they do is the towniest shit ever (even when it isn't which is surprisingly often). I'd like you to point out just where I said that. What I really said was "You acted scummy by not answering Mattchew's question straight. The way I see it, you have no reason whatsoever to not answer the question as honestly and precise as you can as town.". I never even mentioned anything pertaining to lynching marvellosity in this post, and before that I hadn't even commented on him. You're also twisting my words when you say that I'm that marvellosity is scum for saying that his own behavior is town. I said that it was scummy that he somehow turned his anti-town behaviour into some proof that he was town. This part is such an overexaggeration that it's almost scummy. On June 27 2012 04:40 prplhz wrote: He is also keen to point out how tired and drunk he is all the time, like he's trying to apologize for his play. Scum are a lot more prone to apologize for their game because, unlike townies, they're not actually trying their best and they don't see their game as inherently good! I have two posts relating to this: here and here. They are also referencing the same day (today), and since chose to not sleep the previous night and instead stay up to read and comment on Probulous case, it's certain that it's not just some bullshit excuse. The only point of your case that is actually factual, and not some kind of twisting of my words or overexaggeration to make me look scummy, is that I said it's probably too late to sway the lynch. I don't think that's very strange considering that almost all discussion today has been on marvellosity, and not one strong case has been presented on any other player. Other than marvellosity, most players seem to disagree on lynch targets. If you want to lynch me based on my hesitance on the marvellosity lynch, then go ahead, but don't come with bullshit lies in order to paint me up as scum. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
On June 27 2012 04:40 prplhz wrote: Okay lets lynch Shraft. I'm not in any way confident enough that marvellosity or even VisceraEyes are scum so I don't want to lynch into them. But you guys are going to fucking stop this tunnelfest or I am not going to give a shit tomorrow. We know that you think each other are town, you are only allowed to make very few and condensed posts on each other from now on. Seriously. You also need to shoot tonight marvellosity but we can talk about that later. Stop right here. No, I don't think marv is town. And he either knows I'm town or he doesn't think I'm town either...he's made that abundantly clear. Why would you start your case against someone else by discrediting the cases put forth on the current lynch candidate by dismissing them as byproduct of marv and my back and forth? As far as I can tell, you're like the ONLY person who feels inhibited by our little spat, so as I asked earlier...what the fuck is this shit? Anyway, your Shraft case... I want to lynch Shraft because of how hesitant he has been doing anything this game, how he seems more occupied with getting his vote down than with actually doing something with the lynch, and partially because of some other things. His first vote on rastaban came after he made a case on rastaban's first post but he hesitates to vote him. Then next he says that rastaban's case on risk.nuke was scummy but he doesn't vote him. Then a few hours later he votes rastaban just because of these two things, cautious first post and risk.nuke case. This wasn't just a few hours later, this was after three other people had placed their vote on rastaban already. I'm checking the timings right now before I post this, but I think I know what you're talking about... Okay, while the events did happen as you say timingwise, I don't find that particularly suspicious. At this point he could just be trying to find the best lynch for the day, see his interaction with you Re: Zeph. Honestly, I read this as he's just trying to find a good lynch for the day, not that he lacks resolve or is fence-sitting or however you're perceiving this. Next is the current marvellosity wagon, we talked about it for ages but he is hesitant with his vote. He only votes after Probulous makes his big case. Earlier he said that the question-answer-thing was a bit scummy but it wasn't worth lynching marvellosity over, but now he is using that very same argument for voting for marvellosity! I also think it's very telling that he is actually saying that marvellosity is scum for saying that his own behavior is town. Why would any townie ever say that his own play is scummy when it is townie by definition? Townies think that everything they do is the towniest shit ever (even when it isn't which is surprisingly often). The most telling about how he is acting during these lynches is how little he cares about the lynch itself compared to his vote. After he votes rastaban, he does not mention rastaban again in the thread at all! He doesn't push his lynch even though he's been suspicious of him all game long. It looks like he is happy he just got his vote down and now he doesn't really care who gets lynched. The same thing with the marvellosity lynch: more than 10 hours before deadline he actually says "It's probably too late to sway the lynch". That sounds like he thinks that marvellosity is town but 10 hours before the lynch he doesn't really want to do anything about it. Instead he makes a big post on Snarfs concluding that he is null. He is also keen to point out how tired and drunk he is all the time, like he's trying to apologize for his play. Scum are a lot more prone to apologize for their game because, unlike townies, they're not actually trying their best and they don't see their game as inherently good! And this is in spite of how no one is actually attacking him, which is my next point. Shraft is one of the very few guys who has not been attacked the whole game, he's actually hardly been mentioned. His filter is small, he has a small town presence, and there's plenty of scummy stuff in there. Why didn't scum jump him already? This is of course supplementary because I'm not going to blame him for other people's actions but I think it's well worth noting. ##Vote: Shraft What I find the most interesting is the bolded, and I hadn't really realized this until I reread your case. So I went back and checked, and you're absolutely right - while rastaban wagon was building, and with obvTown slOosh at the helm Shraft is nowhere to be seen. But, I don't know if, like me, he was waiting to see some movement from the votes before acting or what. Again, I'm town and I did the same thing you're accusing Shraft of on the D1 lynch, which is wanting an alternative and doing virtually nothing to make it happen. If you'll notice, Shraft and I both liked your post on Zeph. I don't know about the rest of your case, it's mostly fluffy stuff (drunk posting, apologizing for his play, why aren't scum attacking him)...but the things you mention that are relevant (his activity re: the lynches and his "delayed" vote of rasta) I read as null leaning town. That's how I see it, prplhz. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12972 Posts
risk.nuke (0): Zephirdd (RIP) (0): rastaban (1): xsksc VisceraEyes (0): marvellosity (4): VisceraEyes, Probulous, Shraft, Mattchew xsksc (1): risk.nuke Shraft (1): prplhz Mattchew (1): Rastaban Not voted (2): Snarfs, marvellosity | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On June 27 2012 06:52 VisceraEyes wrote: He doesn't look like he's TRYING to figure shit out. He doesn't look like he's AGONIZING about being right or wrong. He looks like scum. I take massive umbrage at this. Look at my filter day 2, and strip out my accusations against you. It's littered with comments, with explanations behind them, of what I think of other people. That really is grossly unfair. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
On June 27 2012 07:44 marvellosity wrote: And my role has nothing to do with my behaviour. I'm one of the 'play blue like green' brigade. The fact that day 1 I sucked at playing green is another matter entirely. | ||
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