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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 09 2012 23:24 GMT
#1641
I did plan on playing, because I was hoping how heavy it was on Magic would die down just a little.

But I ended up continuing to be lost so I just left it.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
July 09 2012 23:24 GMT
#1642
On July 10 2012 08:22 gonzaw wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2012 08:21 marvellosity wrote:
No, I wasn't playing

I'm not claiming this win as mine (only a little bit).

Toad did everything


But you said "I'll reread stuff and post my opinions later" or something (if I remember correctly), which implied you were in fact playing.

he did exactly one post in this game. The one you are referring to :p
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 09 2012 23:25 GMT
#1643
Liar. I did 2. Scum.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
July 09 2012 23:29 GMT
#1644
On July 10 2012 08:24 marvellosity wrote:
I did plan on playing, because I was hoping how heavy it was on Magic would die down just a little.

But I ended up continuing to be lost so I just left it.


gonzaw hadn't played a game of magic before, yet that didn't stop him from producing 17 pages of filter! Noob.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 09 2012 23:40 GMT
#1645
gonzaw is an unstoppable force of nature though :D
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 10 2012 00:32 GMT
#1646
On July 10 2012 07:27 strongandbig wrote:
every game i've ever played or read with you where you were town

try your "night kill trap" in LV for example

lol, so mad
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 10 2012 00:38 GMT
#1647
On July 10 2012 07:53 strongandbig wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2012 07:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On July 10 2012 07:45 strongandbig wrote:
On June 29 2012 23:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On June 29 2012 23:01 strongandbig wrote:
Artanis, when you say that we can't use abilities during the block phase that sounds different than what you told me in PMs. If I can't sacrifice my creatures during the block phase it hurts my deck quite a lot. If a two hour block phase is too short for you to resolve creature abilities in what you think is a fair way, could we have a poll or something on going to a longer block phase?

It's not just my deck - basic abilities like regeneration and blue bounce-blocking would be completely annulled if creatures can't use abilities during the block phase.

Alternatively, what if we could set up our block phase actions during the attack phase? Make it so that you can't take back an action or attack during the attack phase, and then the other players can use creature abilities during the attack phase in response to other attack actions.

Additionally, I have a suggestion to solve the problem someone mentioned above about timing problems like not being able to use a creature ability if someone else ninjas you and plays a kill spell or whatever. What if you resolved all spells and abilities targeting creatures or cast by them in proper stack order at the end of the main phase? That way people could still play spells and abilities targetting each others' creatures without it coming down to a timing question.


I don't believe you understand your deck still if you think that not being able to sacrifice creatures during the block phase hurts your deck a lot. It's not because it's too short; it's to prevent "instants" from being used as response to actions (like waiting until the last minute of resolving time and then suddenly coming up with something someone else might want to respond to but doesn't get the opportunity to). That's why instants have been removed from the game and made as sorceries.

Regeneration is an exception as it's an ability that ONLY works after the block phase, and would otherwise be useless.

The problem with this is that people would wait with announcing their attacks until the last minute for optimal play. This way, people have a 2 hour window in any case. I'm fine with players announcing that they're locking in their attacks but I doubt that would be optimal for anyone.

The problem with that once again is that people can wait until the last minute to cast something and someone else won't have a chance to reply.


My bad, my apologies. I suck.


Show nested quote +
On July 10 2012 07:38 strongandbig wrote:
(yes i am mad but i also had fun so i'm trying to be constructive while still expressing how mad I am)

(its okay.)


And as for "the game came down to 1HP"
It's worse than that. the game literally came down to the fact that I reloaded the page at 7:00 before your attack posted. I could have sacrificed something or just attacked Mattchew instead of sitting on my hands.

posting while reading so this may have been answered

but the game town down to townies killing townies, just like every time mafia wins
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 10 2012 00:56 GMT
#1648
Also, to make this fair(er) you should use a cube list

http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=414478

You can play these in multiple ways (draft or type 4)
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-10 01:13:01
July 10 2012 01:09 GMT
#1649
On July 10 2012 08:29 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2012 08:24 marvellosity wrote:
I did plan on playing, because I was hoping how heavy it was on Magic would die down just a little.

But I ended up continuing to be lost so I just left it.


gonzaw hadn't played a game of magic before, yet that didn't stop him from producing 17 pages of filter! Noob.


lol

I felt so proud when I made the 2 8/8 beast plan! Like I knew shit about Magic so I felt like the underdog making an awesome play that would win the game :D


.....which ended up killing 1 townie (Grey) and then being useless since both guys that had them died in 2 turns >_>



Damn, in hindsight I wished I had given Grey another chance and attacked Mattchew instead in D3 (I was actually planning on doing that, but well Grey's actions and behaviour convinced me otherwise).

Also when I was talking to kita I was toying with the idea of using Steal Artifact on WBG's Myr Enforcer (when I was talking to him how WBG could be scum).

Stealing his own Enforcer and attacking him/Mattchew+using the 8/8 beast would have been a good choice >_>

Also in hindsight I wish I had actually expressed all these thoughts I had with kita in the thread instead of being the wishy-washy mess that I was before dying (I think I FoSed everybody at one point or something >_> )


I tried all I could to get accurate reads, rereading the thread/filters and changing my mind if necessary.....but meh I failed again just like in iGrok's game


EDIT: In D3 I was kind of confused.
I was toying with the WBG+Mattchew+S&B or Zealos scum team or something with kita, but I was actually expecting him to read the thread and tell me if that was a good idea or it was me spouting bullshit, but he didn't show up in the chat to talk about it
I was also waiting for Nova, Zealos, Fulla, etc to post in the thread their thoughts about all the shit I was talking about (about Grey, Mattchew, etc).

But nobody showed up. Nova didn't show up, neither did Zealos, etc; and kita didn't show up either, so it got very lonely in there not knowing what to do and not having anybody around to discuss shit; and those that are around are not playing at all (Grey/Mattchew) or just have tunnel vision on and won't consider anything else (S&B/WBG).
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17992 Posts
July 10 2012 07:15 GMT
#1650
I wanted to post this yesterday, but my internet died, so no clue if events have since caught up to me


Given my position as a hydra with Artanis, we had quite a bit of discussion about this game as well. Honestly, the amount of work he put into this game is astounding. I really enjoyed reading it too as it had a unique setup. I didn't suspect Toad(+Marv) for a long time, so kudos there. I had my money on a Mattchew + Promethelax scumteam for a while (once I realized that Zealos was not scum) and was banging my head at town killing Greymist. If I had paid a bit more attention to who was the master of puppets behind that play I *might* have figured it out, but as is, I hadn't figured it out until endgame. Well played, WB-G!

As for the voteswitching: S&B, you say you've never seen it happen, yet SSB mafia ended like 2 days ago and Risen last-minute vote switched there (although he was town). Mafia pull last-minute switches all the time at lylo when town bets on the wrong guy. I don't see how you can say that never happens in normal games.

I think the setup has a lot of promise and enjoyed reading the game
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 10 2012 07:19 GMT
#1651
On July 10 2012 16:15 Acrofales wrote:
I had my money on a Mattchew + Promethelax scumteam for a while (once I realized that Zealos was not scum) and was banging my head at town killing Greymist.


Surely you mean Nova there?
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17992 Posts
July 10 2012 07:52 GMT
#1652
Nova too, but all your earlygame hostility at greymist was based on.. well.. basically nothing. Someone said all he was doing was talking about the setup. He was, but so was everybody else at that point. He made it rather easy to be pushed around, but I really didn't see why you went all "he's scum, lynch him!"

Killing Nova before the attack phase was also a rather bad idea, but with hindsight that might've worked out pretty well, because Toad could've had a pretty heavy hand in directing that 8/8 trampler away from himself or Matt, which could have been worse for town.
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 10 2012 08:06 GMT
#1653
On July 10 2012 16:52 Acrofales wrote:
Nova too, but all your earlygame hostility at greymist was based on.. well.. basically nothing. Someone said all he was doing was talking about the setup. He was, but so was everybody else at that point. He made it rather easy to be pushed around, but I really didn't see why you went all "he's scum, lynch him!"

Killing Nova before the attack phase was also a rather bad idea, but with hindsight that might've worked out pretty well, because Toad could've had a pretty heavy hand in directing that 8/8 trampler away from himself or Matt, which could have been worse for town.


My hostility was mostly based on Grey doing no scumhunting, then going for the easy target (Zealos), and then doing nothing at all afterwards (but still going against Zealos without stating reasoning behind it). Not counting the "scummy" posts he made once in a while (like his brother being all aggressive all of a sudden against my plan, and Grey accusing me later, and stuff)

Up to the point where I started to have a "change of heart" Grey received 3-4 damage only so it wasn't that bad.

If you mean me+WBG killing him with our 8/8 and 5/3 creatures...then you still think it was such a facepalm? I tried all I could to give Grey a 2nd chance and kill Mattchew instead but he didn't even try.

I'd say Nova's death was 10 times worse, since he didn't even have the time to properly defend himself or anything.

but with hindsight that might've worked out pretty well, because Toad could've had a pretty heavy hand in directing that 8/8 trampler away from himself or Matt


From what I recall Nova was 100% set in attacking Mattchew, so I don't think that would have worked
Nova_Terra
Profile Joined March 2012
Switzerland1190 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-10 10:18:28
July 10 2012 09:59 GMT
#1654
On July 10 2012 16:52 Acrofales wrote:
Nova too, but all your earlygame hostility at greymist was based on.. well.. basically nothing. Someone said all he was doing was talking about the setup. He was, but so was everybody else at that point. He made it rather easy to be pushed around, but I really didn't see why you went all "he's scum, lynch him!"

Killing Nova before the attack phase was also a rather bad idea, but with hindsight that might've worked out pretty well, because Toad could've had a pretty heavy hand in directing that 8/8 trampler away from himself or Matt, which could have been worse for town.

U kidding? theres no way in hell i was directing any attention away from him or matt, i hate listening to people whose logic seems terribad.
Now to vent my frustration, :
+ Show Spoiler +
On July 01 2012 19:14 Nova_Terra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2012 03:04 Oberyn wrote:

I'll let these people control my beast with their vote:

-WBG
-Nova
-Promethelax
-Fulla
-Mattchew


I feel uncomfortable with mattchew on that list


On July 01 2012 20:32 Nova_Terra wrote:

Also I oppose any plan that banks on wbg being town

On July 01 2012 21:34 Nova_Terra wrote:

Would prefer to kill mattchew first


On July 02 2012 03:24 Nova_Terra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2012 00:40 strongandbig wrote:
Nova who do you think is scum right now?

Mattchew
He keeps pushing along things passively while chilling back and doing nothing himself


On July 04 2012 09:17 Nova_Terra wrote:
look into mattchew/wbg or mattchew/sb connections

On July 04 2012 09:20 Nova_Terra wrote:
I fail to understand how experienced players such as those playing as "wbg" can be town and think their logic makes any sense, more like scum trying to make everything seem obvious to a newbie audience

On July 04 2012 17:54 Nova_Terra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2012 15:11 WereBugs-Go wrote:
oh and Prom is paranoid just like I was earlier I guess. This time we win this :3

Or maybe ur being dumb/scum

On July 05 2012 00:40 Nova_Terra wrote:
Let me summarize this game for everybody

1: What's this? 4 out of 9 players in the game CAN'T be town because I read mafia planted wifom perfectly!!
2: Oh what sound logic! Let me use all of my possible abilitIes immediately to kill him!
All assembled: yayyyyyyy!!!111!

On July 05 2012 00:41 Nova_Terra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2012 00:38 Fulla wrote:
1 question then Nova.

Who do you think are the 2 scum?

Mattchew and sb or mattchew and wbg

On July 05 2012 00:42 Nova_Terra wrote:
Wbg cause i still dont see how an experienced player like toad could be so utterly illogical as town

On July 05 2012 07:22 Nova_Terra wrote:

I've said again and again that I think Mattchew and [WBG] or Matthew and sb are scum and that's what I fucking mean. I really hope ur [WBG] scum cause if not I have officially lost faith in "veteran" players



I am disappointed in SB and Fulla, both of whom made no effort to read into the logic (AKA the lack of it) that caused your most valuable town asset in the game, and i am particularly disappointed in Zealos for sheeping logic that it appears wasnt even thought about whatsoever and not only killing me, also making himself pretty much worthless for the rest of the game, like a free 2 town players dead but one can still talk.
Can someone (Fulla) explain to me why Prom was suddenly scum?

Thank you to Artanis for hosting the game, It must have taken a ton of time and effort and i definitely want to participate in another in the future. It was really cool
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Fulla
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom519 Posts
July 10 2012 12:01 GMT
#1655
Well Nova you got us all to pool you mana, let you summon a big beast. then go AFK. WTF? If you couldn't be available once during the entire 24 hours attack phase why ask for the mana?

You just seemed to sheepishly go 'oh woops nevermind'. I'm disappointed that you don't concede this as a mistake. This is what led to your downfall. From my perspective at the time it was a pure fluke that Zealos happened to be holding a deathbomb in his hands that almost near 1shot killed you. I finished the job

I accept that killing you was probably a mistake, but even with hindsight now, you're play made no sense to me as town.
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Fulla
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom519 Posts
July 10 2012 12:18 GMT
#1656
Artanis thanks alot for hosting it and putting all the time and effort.

My main gripes/recommendations for improvement:
- Put a limit on what cards from editions you can use. Example only last 10 editions or say from Mirrodin onwards. Sol ring is old and too overpowered.
- NO banned cards! Skullclamp, wtf? How many cards did Were draw because of that?
- Zealos's deck has already been spoken about but yeah imbalanced shit!

- Attack Phase, this is a bit silly, in normal mafia you can only switch 1 vote last minute. In this you can wipe out 3 people.
- There is no easy work around this. Off the top of my head the only solution would be everyone declares there attacks, then everyone states 'accept' or if they wish ti make changes. This however could lead to an endless unending attack phase. But anyways I think more discussion on this would be good.
- Perhaps this could lead
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Fulla
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom519 Posts
July 10 2012 12:28 GMT
#1657
Why Prom not Were?

Prom kept going afk, appearing, doing his filters, declaring anyone could be scum, everything is up in the air, best not to attack anyone etc. etc. It just seemed like he stalling and stalling, trying to promote inaction just long enough to kill us with the mafia beast. He put forward no plan only right right towards the end.

Were very cleverly bussed Matt instantly at the right time and started putting forward a town plan to win. I thought he was town. I was stupid not to see how he stitched up Nova then quickly when silent after Nova's death. But considering how I was already highly suspicious of Nova I didn't see it :/

I thought Prom would simply kill strong with his Flyer and let Matt kill me. In other words the game was already over. That's why I wasn't around.
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Fulla
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom519 Posts
July 10 2012 12:38 GMT
#1658
Will there be another MTG mafia anytime soon?
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Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-10 13:02:10
July 10 2012 12:47 GMT
#1659
On July 10 2012 21:28 Fulla wrote:
Why Prom not Were?

Prom kept going afk, appearing, doing his filters, declaring anyone could be scum, everything is up in the air, best not to attack anyone etc. etc. It just seemed like he stalling and stalling, trying to promote inaction just long enough to kill us with the mafia beast. He put forward no plan only right right towards the end.
.


Oh btw. What I said the last couple of days were no lies at all. Surely the assumption that prom has to be mafia was a lie and had to be wrong but what Fulla said here is correct. We didn't get people lynch Greymist, Nova and away from me onto Prom for nothing. We found things that really were strange from a town point of view and what I said about Prom the last couple of days really was something that should be considered scummy in games, just not as scummy as I made it sound.
I felt like I had a good point to attack all those guys.
Grey and Prom because they screwed up and posted weird when they didn't have to and nova because of wifom.

On July 10 2012 21:18 Fulla wrote:
- NO banned cards! Skullclamp, wtf? How many cards did Were draw because of that?

I only killed one creature with it, so just 2 cards in total.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Nova_Terra
Profile Joined March 2012
Switzerland1190 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-10 13:20:31
July 10 2012 13:04 GMT
#1660
On July 10 2012 21:01 Fulla wrote:
Well Nova you got us all to pool you mana, let you summon a big beast. then go AFK. WTF? If you couldn't be available once during the entire 24 hours attack phase why ask for the mana?

You just seemed to sheepishly go 'oh woops nevermind'. I'm disappointed that you don't concede this as a mistake. This is what led to your downfall. From my perspective at the time it was a pure fluke that Zealos happened to be holding a deathbomb in his hands that almost near 1shot killed you. I finished the job

I accept that killing you was probably a mistake, but even with hindsight now, you're play made no sense to me as town.

Case in point, did you actually read what I said?
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