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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
i dont have time or energy to play this game for real and i haven't heard from my bro in a while so the least i can do is make scum waste their monster and kill me | ||
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Fulla
United Kingdom519 Posts
Ok guys listen carefully, I think a way we might just stand a slim chance and very slim it is. @Were Aetherbomb, 2 of Matt's unit's @Strong sacrifice all 3 units, to clear Prom's creatures completely and most of Matt's remaining field. @Were & Zeal use you're remaining creatures to kill Matt They will only be able to kill one of 1 hopefully, unless Matt somehow keep enough on the field to kill strong. (only 3 hp). Next turn it will 3 vs 1, although Prom will be 27 health, all together in 2 turns we might just be able to pull it off. | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
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Fulla
United Kingdom519 Posts
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Fulla
United Kingdom519 Posts
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Fulla
United Kingdom519 Posts
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
All of your plans that rest on how to kill me are going to hurt town. I am a VT same as everyone else. If it comes down to a 1v1 between me and someone else I will be the one attacked by the mafia beast. I think that Fulla / WBG (or maybe Zealos) are the mafia team. You need to find a plan that doesn't rest on me being the only scum alive because that is impossible. I keep wondering if S+B is scum because of this plan but that is only possible if Zealos is his buddy. Which, from their posting, seems unlikely. If it does come down to a 1v1 I'll do my best to win it for you guys but if I can't do it that'll rest on your shoulders. Zealos: go ahead and play WoF, if you are town and this whole thing works out I will buy you a beer next time you are in my neck of the woods. If you are scum I will do my damndest to kill you. | ||
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WereBugs-Go
Korea (South)172 Posts
Example -> Attackphase I want to attack Matt with my 2 Hovermyrs and I do so during the attackphase. Matt attacks S&B with stuff to kill him during the attackphase. -> Blockingphase S&B chooses to block 2 monsters to not die but also looses them resulting in everyone having to sacrifice 2 monsters. I have to sacrifice one of my hovermyr + my Myr Enforcer. Do both Hovermyrs damage against Matt or just one? | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
On July 08 2012 11:31 Artanis[Xp] wrote: The damage goes on the stack simultaneously, so it would still deal damage. Technically I can choose whether I want to sacrifice them before or after damage goes on the stack, but that might not be workable in this game type. | ||
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Fulla
United Kingdom519 Posts
- Were - aether bombs, prom's Command Eesha & ether bombs 1 of Matt's warchiefs. - Strong you sacrifice all your creatures including your Husk onto it's self. So all 3 creatures. - Prom#s board will be wiped completely, Matt's almost wiped. Matt says hes going to attack me? He will probably attack you strong :/ Don't think there's anyway you can survive this. But atleast Zeal and Were can take down matt this turn as well. The beast will kill Were, then it's me and Zeal against Prom. I think Prom is too strong, but if I get burn cards and Zeal gets a lucky tendrils, we just might pull it off. Our only chance of winning. Were/Strong you up for that? If you have a better scenario please spit it out, we only have until tonight for the attack phase. | ||
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Zealos
United Kingdom3571 Posts
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WereBugs-Go
Korea (South)172 Posts
On July 08 2012 19:03 Fulla wrote: The best thing we can do is: - Were - aether bombs, prom's Command Eesha & ether bombs 1 of Matt's warchiefs. - Strong you sacrifice all your creatures including your Husk onto it's self. So all 3 creatures. - Prom#s board will be wiped completely, Matt's almost wiped. Matt says hes going to attack me? He will probably attack you strong :/ Don't think there's anyway you can survive this. But atleast Zeal and Were can take down matt this turn as well. The beast will kill Were, then it's me and Zeal against Prom. I think Prom is too strong, but if I get burn cards and Zeal gets a lucky tendrils, we just might pull it off. Our only chance of winning. Were/Strong you up for that? If you have a better scenario please spit it out, we only have until tonight for the attack phase. I can't aether bomb anything anymore. I used my first aether bomb in cycle 2 in an attempt to finally draw a land and I had to use the 2nd one to get the harrier out of the way so that it can't tap the 10/2 creature... So no bombing Command Eesha & 1 of Matt's warchiefs, can't even bomb one of those, sadly. However if S&B really sacrifices all 4 creatures of his he completly wipe proms (and my own but I guess I'll be dead anyways) board as well. Prom only has 4 creatures and has to sacrifice 4 at the end of the attack phase so that means his command Eesha is gone as well, even without my spellbomb. As mentioned I can do 4 damage to Matt and I can attack Prom with my 6/5 myr this turn. I think Fulla is best to attack Prom with his 6/1 as well and the 10/2 creature can attack as well. That however means that we need S&B to deal 4 damage to Matt as well to kill him. If the board is completly wiped (and it will be for everyone having 4 or less monsters in play) that means we can deal the damage without having to worry about blockers. Prom only has 4 creatures so 100% of the damage will go trough. That's at least 6 from my myr and probably 16 more from fulla + zealos which means Prom will be reduced to 5 HP. So what's going to happen with this board-wipe is this: I am going to be dead because of mafia beast. Zealos will have 18HP. Prom will have 5HP. Matt will be dead (if S&B manages to get 4 damage on him) S&B will be dead (with no blockers matt can kill either him or Fulla I guess?) Fulla will be dead (with not blockers matt can kill either him or S&B I guess?) | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
On July 08 2012 21:24 WereBugs-Go wrote: I can't aether bomb anything anymore. I used my first aether bomb in cycle 2 in an attempt to finally draw a land and I had to use the 2nd one to get the harrier out of the way so that it can't tap the 10/2 creature... So no bombing Command Eesha & 1 of Matt's warchiefs, can't even bomb one of those, sadly. However if S&B really sacrifices all 4 creatures of his he completly wipe proms (and my own but I guess I'll be dead anyways) board as well. Prom only has 4 creatures and has to sacrifice 4 at the end of the attack phase so that means his command Eesha is gone as well, even without my spellbomb. As mentioned I can do 4 damage to Matt and I can attack Prom with my 6/5 myr this turn. I think Fulla is best to attack Prom with his 6/1 as well and the 10/2 creature can attack as well. That however means that we need S&B to deal 4 damage to Matt as well to kill him. If the board is completly wiped (and it will be for everyone having 4 or less monsters in play) that means we can deal the damage without having to worry about blockers. Prom only has 4 creatures so 100% of the damage will go trough. That's at least 6 from my myr and probably 16 more from fulla + zealos which means Prom will be reduced to 5 HP. So what's going to happen with this board-wipe is this: I am going to be dead because of mafia beast. Zealos will have 18HP. Prom will have 5HP. Matt will be dead (if S&B manages to get 4 damage on him) S&B will be dead (with no blockers matt can kill either him or Fulla I guess?) Fulla will be dead (with not blockers matt can kill either him or S&B I guess?) I don't understand how you guys can be so sure that matt and prome are the scum team. Like, I agree that they're pretty likely, but I think wbg/zealos are just as likely now that zealos derped his way to using up the board card before we could really discuss my plan or force someone scummy to use it. That's why I wanted to guarantee a mass death with my plan. We still don't have a single scum flip to go on, so now we're reduced to guessing at entire scum teams. Actually now that Zealos has saved wbg from having to use the board card, I think there may be no way a zealos/wbg scum team can lose. But I guess I already resigned myself to the fact that we lose if zealos is scum and I'll just have to be happy with my "I told you so" dance when that happens. WBG your "I am going to be dead because of the mafia beast" inspires absolutely zero confidence in me. Last time someone said that it was Fulla, and the mafia beast attacked me instead. Now as for the MTG stuff and figuring out if town can still win this game. THIS IS MYLO, PEOPLE. I JUST REALIZED THIS BUT MY PREVIOUS PLAN WAS TERRIBLE BECAUSE WE WOULD HAVE LOST IF EITHER OF THEM IS SCUM. It's currently 4 townies vs 2 scum. If we kill off 1 townie and no scum, the mafia beast kills off another townie, and it's 2v2 and we lose instantly (since per the OP mafia wins if their numbers equal town's). If we kill off 1 townie and 1 scum, then the mafia beast kills another townie and it's 2v1 LYLO tomorrow. If we kill no one then it's 3v2 LYLO tomorrow. If we kill off 2 townies and 1 scum, then the mafia beast kills another townie and it's 1v1 we lose tomorrow. WE CAN KILL OFF AT MOST ONE TOWNIE UNLESS WE KILL ALL THE SCUM TONIGHT. | ||
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WereBugs-Go
Korea (South)172 Posts
On July 08 2012 22:20 strongandbig wrote: I don't understand how you guys can be so sure that matt and prome are the scum team. Like, I agree that they're pretty likely, but I think wbg/zealos are just as likely now that zealos derped his way to using up the board card before we could really discuss my plan or force someone scummy to use it. That's why I wanted to guarantee a mass death with my plan. We still don't have a single scum flip to go on, so now we're reduced to guessing at entire scum teams. Actually now that Zealos has saved wbg from having to use the board card, I think there may be no way a zealos/wbg scum team can lose. But I guess I already resigned myself to the fact that we lose if zealos is scum and I'll just have to be happy with my "I told you so" dance when that happens. WBG your "I am going to be dead because of the mafia beast" inspires absolutely zero confidence in me. Last time someone said that it was Fulla, and the mafia beast attacked me instead. Now as for the MTG stuff and figuring out if town can still win this game. THIS IS MYLO, PEOPLE. I JUST REALIZED THIS BUT MY PREVIOUS PLAN WAS TERRIBLE BECAUSE WE WOULD HAVE LOST IF EITHER OF THEM IS SCUM. It's currently 4 townies vs 2 scum. If we kill off 1 townie and no scum, the mafia beast kills off another townie, and it's 2v2 and we lose instantly (since per the OP mafia wins if their numbers equal town's). If we kill off 1 townie and 1 scum, then the mafia beast kills another townie and it's 2v1 LYLO tomorrow. If we kill no one then it's 3v2 LYLO tomorrow. If we kill off 2 townies and 1 scum, then the mafia beast kills another townie and it's 1v1 we lose tomorrow. WE CAN KILL OFF AT MOST ONE TOWNIE UNLESS WE KILL ALL THE SCUM TONIGHT. On July 03 2012 05:53 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Mafia must eliminate all town players or have no feasible way of losing (e.g. even if town players play their cards optimally, they still can't kill the mafia before the mafia kill them. One hour until the Attack Phase starts. I don't think mafia wins in a 2v2 situation or in a 1v1 according to that post, so we really have one more cycle. This was the reasoning for your plan all along, wasn't it? You wanted to kill pretty much everyone to make it 1v1 and hope Zealos onhits prom. | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
WE KILL MATTCHEW AND FULLA TONIGHT AND NO ONE ELSE. Here's the logic. This is MYLO, but it's a double lynch MYLO - as I explained above, we have the option to kill one person or two without losing. Picking Mattchew and Fulla makes this the hardest to disrupt, and if we kill those two we are certain to get one scum; the only realistic way we don't is if zealos is scum, and if that's the case we've lost already since town collectively is an idiot and didn't listen to me about him. I don't think a wbg/prome scum team is a possibility due to study of prome's filter; the only scummy things in there were in his interaction with Mattchew, and his actions towards Mattchew make no sense from a scum point of view unless Mattchew is scum also. If anyone thinks WBG/Prome is a possible scum team then explain why ASAP. We can't kill him in one turn (he has too many blockers) and therefore he'll have his combo before the next attack phase. Once we've killed those two, if one of them flips scum we can use relational analysis to figure out the last scum team member. Either WBG or I will be dead from the mafia monster, so the remaining players will be Zealos, Prome, and whichever of WBG or I survived. Zealos then hits the scum between WBG and Prome with his combo; even if it doesn't kill them straight away, it should bring them low enough that the other one of those two can kill them off with creatures. Zealos will have enough HP then to survive the mafia monster, and town wins. So how can we make sure scum go along with this plan? Pretty simple. First, we make sure that Mattchew and Fulla swing all their creature power at each other. If either of them haven't done this by a certain point in time - preferably halfway to the attack phase deadline - we assume that person is claiming scum and focus fire on them, and save the other one. Then, after all of their creatures are tapped, WBG and Promethelax each swing all of their creatures at one or the other of Mattchew and Fulla. They can't kill each other, so the only way this fails is if one of them is scum and decides to claim it by attacking me. I can survive an attack from WBG, since I can block his ground creatures and then sacrifice all my stuff before damage goes on the stack. Then he will have to sacrifice three of his creatures; if he leaves one of the ground guys alive all the damage will fizzle since the creature was blocked, and if he leaves one of the hovermyr I'll only take one damage and survive. The same thing goes for an attack from Promethelax; I can block all his stuff except Commander Eesha, and if I then sacrifice all my stuff he'll have to sacrifice all but Commander Eesha, which will only do 2 damage to me so I will survive. We will give WBG and Promethelax a deadline to attack with their stuff, probably something like 1 hour before the attack phase deadline. Then, Zealos uses ornithopter of doom to attack anyone who isn't following the plan. DOES EVERYONE AGREE TO THIS PLAN? | ||
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Fulla
United Kingdom519 Posts
They aren't even posting anymore, just the odd daily post, to make you have doubts and hope you won't do anything. At the end of day you have to make a choice, I hope you realize inaction will get us all killed. Remember thou Matt and Prom are going to attack you, so be ready for this. As far as I know you can't sacrifice during attack phase? Were's option seems a bit better than mine. However we will all die except Zeal and Prom. But the entire games will literally all come down, to Zeal drawing a Tendrils in his next 7 cards. | ||
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Fulla
United Kingdom519 Posts
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
On June 17 2012 00:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Introduction: Mafia is an educated guessing game of epic proportions. The objective of the game is to lynch or kill all mafia members before they outnumber the rest of the town. It's much like a game of poker because mafia members are also part of the town during the day and may manipulate the vote to their liking. If the mafia at any time outnumber or equal the townspeople, they win. The town's goal is to lynch all the members of the mafia. Artanis, do mafia win in a 1v1 or 2v2 situation? And toad yes that was my plan but then ssb mafia ended and I thought "oh crap what if the mafia win here with equal numbers too?" so I control+f'ed "equal" in the OP. | ||
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