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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
On July 08 2012 23:28 Fulla wrote: I hope you read my post strong? Yes. It's exactly what I said in my post. We need to kill either only a scum or one scum and one town. Either way if we kill a townie we're fucked. It makes the most sense to choose a set of two people, between whom we are sure at least one is scum. | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
On July 08 2012 23:30 WereBugs-Go wrote: The deadline is within 5,5 hours. When is this deadline supposed to be? Right now we've got 3 people in the thread and that'S all while Matt and Prom are afk-ing like crazy. Do you really think they will come back in time? Do you really think this is a coincidence that they're afk right now? On top of that it's sunday, which means I'll take the train back to my place, so I'll be gone in 1.5 hours and will only be back 2 hours later for a short amount of time, as every sunday. Do you really think we can manage a deadline before the deadline in so little time? I mean a deadline before the attack phase deadline. Obviously. It's still the main phase, we have 24 hours. | ||
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Fulla
United Kingdom519 Posts
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
SO HERE IS THE PLAN. WE KILL MATTCHEW AND FULLA TONIGHT AND NO ONE ELSE. Here's the logic. This is MYLO, but it's a double lynch MYLO - as I explained above, we have the option to kill one person or two without losing. Picking Mattchew and Fulla makes this the hardest to disrupt, and if we kill those two we are certain to get one scum; the only realistic way we don't is if zealos is scum, and if that's the case we've lost already since town collectively is an idiot and didn't listen to me about him. I don't think a wbg/prome scum team is a possibility due to study of prome's filter; the only scummy things in there were in his interaction with Mattchew, and his actions towards Mattchew make no sense from a scum point of view unless Mattchew is scum also. If anyone thinks WBG/Prome is a possible scum team then explain why ASAP. We can't kill him in one turn (he has too many blockers) and therefore he'll have his combo before the next attack phase. Once we've killed those two, if one of them flips scum we can use relational analysis to figure out the last scum team member. Either WBG or I will be dead from the mafia monster, so the remaining players will be Zealos, Prome, and whichever of WBG or I survived. Zealos then hits the scum between WBG and Prome with his combo; even if it doesn't kill them straight away, it should bring them low enough that the other one of those two can kill them off with creatures. Zealos will have enough HP then to survive the mafia monster, and town wins. So how can we make sure scum go along with this plan? Pretty simple. First, we make sure that Mattchew and Fulla swing all their creature power at each other. If either of them haven't done this by a certain point in time - preferably halfway to the attack phase deadline - we assume that person is claiming scum and focus fire on them, and save the other one. Then, after all of their creatures are tapped, WBG and Promethelax each swing all of their creatures at one or the other of Mattchew and Fulla. They can't kill each other, so the only way this fails is if one of them is scum and decides to claim it by attacking me. I can survive an attack from WBG, since I can block his ground creatures and then sacrifice all my stuff before damage goes on the stack. Then he will have to sacrifice three of his creatures; if he leaves one of the ground guys alive all the damage will fizzle since the creature was blocked, and if he leaves one of the hovermyr I'll only take one damage and survive. The same thing goes for an attack from Promethelax; I can block all his stuff except Commander Eesha, and if I then sacrifice all my stuff he'll have to sacrifice all but Commander Eesha, which will only do 2 damage to me so I will survive. We will give WBG and Promethelax a deadline to attack with their stuff, probably something like 1 hour before the attack phase deadline. Then, Zealos uses ornithopter of doom to attack anyone who isn't following the plan. DOES EVERYONE AGREE TO THIS PLAN? | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
On July 08 2012 23:37 Fulla wrote: Yes so you need to sacrifice you're whole board NOW? why the fuck do you keep saying this why do you want me to do things before people can talk about them there's no reason to sacrifice stuff before the end of the attack phase at the very earliest | ||
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Fulla
United Kingdom519 Posts
Prom and Matt ignore your plan - They attack you and kill you. - They attack me and kill me. 2 town vs 2 scum, they have won instantly. What CAN you do to stop this? | ||
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Fulla
United Kingdom519 Posts
So please think carefully... and try to see why I'm asking you clear the field. | ||
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WereBugs-Go
Korea (South)172 Posts
On July 08 2012 23:38 strongandbig wrote: why the fuck do you keep saying this why do you want me to do things before people can talk about them there's no reason to sacrifice stuff before the end of the attack phase at the very earliest You can't use abilites in the blocking-phase which means you will have to do it in the attack phase or now. That's what we're talking about all the time, isn't it? Everyone having 4 creatures tops will attack with their creatures, you will sacrifice creatures which means noone will have blockers. That means that the damage from the attacking creatures will go trough no matter what because you destroyed the blockers which means mafia could easily kill more than just one guy. If you have 3 HP and 0 creatures to block you are dead. If Fulla is on 6HP and has 0 creatures to block he will be dead. If the mafia beast attacks me I will be dead. If we attack matt he'll be dead as well. It will be 1v1 Zealos vs Prom if you sacrifice creatures during the attackphase becaue it's basicly a "creatures can't block but are able to attack" global card for everyone having 4 or less monsters. | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
On July 08 2012 23:40 Fulla wrote: Strong I honestly don't think you understand. So I'll say this as clear as I can. Prom and Matt ignore your plan - They attack you and kill you. - They attack me and kill me. 2 town vs 2 scum, they have won instantly. What CAN you do to stop this? we would kill matt at the same time; and they can't kill both of us. Even if Artanis disagrees with me about how sacrificing during the blocking phase I can still sacrifice during the attack phase and the damage won't go through. Then they will be able to kill me but not you. If Artanis agrees with me on the sacrificing during the block phase rule then they can't kill either of us. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
+ Show Spoiler [arcane mtg rules stuff] + In normal MTG under damage-on-the-stack rules, priority passes around the table after blockers are declared but before damage goes on the stack, and I can use that priority to sacrifice my creatures and force other players to do so. However, the creatures to whom blockers were assigned are still considered blocked and thus only hit me for life if they have trample. Therefore we need to do my plan. | ||
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Fulla
United Kingdom519 Posts
On July 08 2012 23:45 strongandbig wrote: we would kill matt at the same time; and they can't kill both of us. Even if Artanis disagrees with me about how sacrificing during the blocking phase I can still sacrifice during the attack phase and the damage won't go through. Then they will be able to kill me but not you. If Artanis agrees with me on the sacrificing during the block phase rule then they can't kill either of us. And the Mafia beast will kill Were as well. So they only need 1 of us to lead to 2v2. If you can't sacrifice during block phase, the game will be over by the attack phase. Agree? | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
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WereBugs-Go
Korea (South)172 Posts
On July 08 2012 23:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote: The sacrificing ability will work as Strongandbig suggested. I will extend the block phase if neccesary to allow people time to choose. OH that changes a lot. I thought it's not possible because you told me I can't use the sacrifice ability of my AEther spellbomb during the blockingphase either, so I figured it's the same thing. Have to think about what that might change. | ||
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Fulla
United Kingdom519 Posts
Just realize that Were dies tonight by the Beast, if me and Matt die as you planned which is fine by me. its you and Zealos against Prom. I hope you don't intend to leave him on 27 health. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
that does conflict with my previous read of mattchew being scum based on the "thinking about balance from the scum point of view" scum tell maybe mattchew/wbg is the scum team? | ||
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Fulla
United Kingdom519 Posts
Prom will attack strong with Eesha guaranteed, so goodbye strong. Matt kills me, we kill him. Beast kills Were. Zealos vs Prom end game, Mafia victory. Can anybody see a way out of this? | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
I just need to sacrifice during the attack phase If someone attacks me then I can sacrifice stuff to keep either fulla or mattchew alive. fulla matt can't kill you if i sacrifice stuff before the end of the attack phase | ||
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