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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
July 08 2012 17:58 GMT
#1461
because one of the two of you is scum (although you're not helping yourself out with stuff like that) and we have to kill at least one scum this attack phase.
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
Fulla
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom519 Posts
July 08 2012 18:26 GMT
#1462
I told you matt and prom won't go with your plan

Or they'll say yes, but do what they want in the attack phase.
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 08 2012 19:47 GMT
#1463
On July 09 2012 02:58 strongandbig wrote:
because one of the two of you is scum (although you're not helping yourself out with stuff like that) and we have to kill at least one scum this attack phase.

I will not go along with any plan that involves me dying, that is just stupid
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
July 08 2012 20:08 GMT
#1464
On July 09 2012 04:47 Mattchew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2012 02:58 strongandbig wrote:
because one of the two of you is scum (although you're not helping yourself out with stuff like that) and we have to kill at least one scum this attack phase.

I will not go along with any plan that involves me dying, that is just stupid


I explained above, this is mylo - but we get a double lynch. It's more important to find out who is scum than to keep townies alive. If you die and fulla dies then we know who the remaining scum is and we kill them and win.

If you're just going to derp there and not be constructive then I'm forced to conclude you're scum.

Like, it's not just that you won't go along with the plan, it's that you're not even willing to discuss what we should do. You're basically claiming scum right now, and if you're actually town then you're making us lose.

To wbg/fulla/zealos: It's still a double-lynch MYLO. I still think we should kill two people. It doesn't matter whether Mattchew goes along with the plan or not. What remains to be seen is whether or not Promethelax claims scum with him; but this turn we're either killing Mattchew and Fulla or we're killing Mattchew and doing as much damage as possible to Promethelax.
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 08 2012 20:41 GMT
#1465
On July 09 2012 05:08 strongandbig wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2012 04:47 Mattchew wrote:
On July 09 2012 02:58 strongandbig wrote:
because one of the two of you is scum (although you're not helping yourself out with stuff like that) and we have to kill at least one scum this attack phase.

I will not go along with any plan that involves me dying, that is just stupid


I explained above, this is mylo - but we get a double lynch. It's more important to find out who is scum than to keep townies alive. If you die and fulla dies then we know who the remaining scum is and we kill them and win.

If you're just going to derp there and not be constructive then I'm forced to conclude you're scum.

Like, it's not just that you won't go along with the plan, it's that you're not even willing to discuss what we should do. You're basically claiming scum right now, and if you're actually town then you're making us lose.

To wbg/fulla/zealos: It's still a double-lynch MYLO. I still think we should kill two people. It doesn't matter whether Mattchew goes along with the plan or not. What remains to be seen is whether or not Promethelax claims scum with him; but this turn we're either killing Mattchew and Fulla or we're killing Mattchew and doing as much damage as possible to Promethelax.

yeah not participating or talking about a stupid plan that kills a townie is so anti town.

I don't want to participate in any plan that kills myself because that in itself hurts town.

Therefore, I will continue killing scum in fulla, and then you can all thank me post game for not being retarded
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 08 2012 20:42 GMT
#1466
and there is no MYLO, unless you don't think we can kill scum with our cards, this isnt normal mafia, we have a lot of potential damage on the field, stop using fear tactics
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
July 08 2012 20:44 GMT
#1467
you're a moron
we lose when there's equal numbers of scum as town, artanis clarified it in our thread

if we only kill a townie and the scum monster kills someone tonight, we lose
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 08 2012 20:47 GMT
#1468
On July 03 2012 05:53 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2012 05:29 Oberyn wrote:
What is scum's win condition actually?

Because, if for instance there are 2 scum and 2 townies remaining....if the 2 townies have 5 10/10 creatures each then the townies can easily kill both scum in 1 turn (for instance), meaning that even if "scum equal town" town can still win.
Same if there are 2 scum with 5 HP for instance and 1 townie with 20 HP and 2 5/5 creatures and enough creatures to block mafia's attacks. If the Mafia KP doesn't have 20 power....then the townie can kill both scum before they kill him

So I guess this game will play out until scum kill ALL townies then?


Mafia must eliminate all town players or have no feasible way of losing (e.g. even if town players play their cards optimally, they still can't kill the mafia before the mafia kill them.
Mafia needs to put Town at equal numbers or less to win the game.


One hour until the Attack Phase starts.

it was edited in, sorry I saw the orginal answer and never looked back
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
July 08 2012 20:50 GMT
#1469
yeah but he also posted it in its own post, that just means you haven't actually read the thread.
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 08 2012 21:13 GMT
#1470
lol are you listening to yourself?
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
July 08 2012 22:02 GMT
#1471
Attack Phase has now begun. You have until 20:00 GMT (+00:00) to declare attackers.
WereBugs-Go
Profile Joined June 2012
Korea (South)172 Posts
July 08 2012 22:40 GMT
#1472
As mentioned I'm going to attack mattchew, however I'd like to know wether or not S&B is going to sacrifice shit this turn or not.
If he is I want to know how much so I know how much damage will go through from me, as in how many monsters will be alive. I only have 4 creatures in total and if we plan to attack Mattchew I want to know how many of them will end up dealing damage because I have to sacrifice X creatues.
Fulla
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom519 Posts
July 08 2012 22:41 GMT
#1473
Just let Zeal attack Matt with the 10/0 flyer.

You attack Prom with everything you got?
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WereBugs-Go
Profile Joined June 2012
Korea (South)172 Posts
July 08 2012 22:44 GMT
#1474
fine with me as well. However I'd still like to know what the plan is.
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
July 08 2012 22:59 GMT
#1475
At the moment whether or not I sacrifice creatures depends on whether or not Matt actually attacks Fulla with everything, and what Prome does with his creatures.
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
WereBugs-Go
Profile Joined June 2012
Korea (South)172 Posts
July 08 2012 23:15 GMT
#1476
On July 09 2012 07:59 strongandbig wrote:
At the moment whether or not I sacrifice creatures depends on whether or not Matt actually attacks Fulla with everything, and what Prome does with his creatures.

Okay let's rephrase it:

What are you going to do if matt really attacks Fulla with:

Goblin Lackey (1/1)
Goblin Token (1/1)
Goblin Token (1/1)
Skirk Prospector (1/1)
Goblin Warchief (2/2)
Goblin Marshall (3/3)
Goblin Piledriver (2+2X/2)



That would be the worst case scenario after all and I don't think it's that unlikely.
Fulla
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom519 Posts
July 08 2012 23:28 GMT
#1477
I'm as good as dead I've accepted that.

Same with Were

The question is can strong survive?
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WereBugs-Go
Profile Joined June 2012
Korea (South)172 Posts
July 08 2012 23:37 GMT
#1478
I actually think not wiping the board would be better. Well not exactly but wiping it is gg right here.
Fulla has nothing to block at all and has 6 HP.
IF S&B wipes the board matt is able to single handedly kill fulla + s&b. Here's the situation broken down:

Matt has:

Goblin Lackey (1/1)
Goblin Token (1/1)
Goblin Token (1/1)
Skirk Prospector (1/1)
Goblin Warchief (2/2)
Goblin Marshall (3/3)
Goblin Piledriver (2+2X/2)

If S&B sacs all of his creatures that would mean Matt would be left with
Skirk Prospector (1/1)
Goblin Warchief (2/2)
Goblin Marshall (3/3)
Goblin Piledriver (8/2)


He could attack fulla with
Goblin Piledriver (8/2)

reducing him to -2 HP and attack S&B with
Skirk Prospector (1/1)
Goblin Warchief (2/2)
Goblin Marshall (3/3)
reducing him to -3 or any other combination because neither Fulla nor S&B have something to block in this "wipe board" scenario but matt has a shitton left to attack.

So wiping the board is a no-go imo. Have to think through and figure out if it looks better if we only wipe a single creature, two or none. Yes Matts piledriver get's way stronger that way but that's a single creature you can block with a 1/1 creature yourself because it has no blocking.
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
July 08 2012 23:49 GMT
#1479
I still think that Fulla is scum. I made a case about his actions and it has been buried.

I'll re-post it but I am in support of any plan that kills Fulla. I am not scum, I don't think Matt is either. I'm getting a townie Vibe off of S+B because his plan requires one of me and Zelaos to be scum if he is and I know that I am not. If S+B and Zealos are scum we're all idiots and deserve to lose. I still think that WBG has a pretty good chance of flipping scum too.

I plan on killing Fulla today, if anyone who is not Fulla has a suggestion of a better plan please tell me. I'll consider it. I urge you all to look at his filter and see how much he asks town to decide his actions for him and how often his reads change from town to scum and back again based only on how the town is moving at that moment.


+ Show Spoiler +
On July 07 2012 15:02 Promethelax wrote:
A case on Fulla:

First post just for reference, this was posted four days ago but it is on his fourth page of filter (he is now on five) and has his most recent reads.

Show nested quote +
On July 03 2012 05:43 Fulla wrote:
Just to give overall thoughts simplified/concluded etc:

Grey - very suspicious

Matt/Strong - quite suspicious

Fulla/Zeal- a little suspicious

Obe/Prom/Nova – town


I just want to point out that he has me as town which is easy, people have all read me correctly as town since the beginning of this game.

Next day Fulla says:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2012 06:17 Fulla wrote:
Guys please consider at Matt / Nova possible connection. Not just Nova / Zeal.

Matt just handed me over for a 1 turn kill to the scum.


Note how Nova is scum in both of these? What did Fulla call him the day before?
Show nested quote +
Obe/Prom/Nova – town

oh right...

After dealing the killing blow to our, now proven townie, friend Nova Full says:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2012 08:37 Fulla wrote:
The way I see it, if Nova flips town.

It has to be Were and Zeal are the scum. Thoughts everyone?


So after Nova flipped town who did he go after?

Show nested quote +
On July 05 2012 00:56 Fulla wrote:
I'm convinced 100% matt is scum.

Had you attacked him, I would now be killing him (finishing him off).

However you chose not to? That's my main reason.

===

2nd reason I'll be dead next turn. You have a powerful number of creatures to defend yourself. Nobody has direct damage.

Only Prom with his protection from creatures might be able to kill you.

But If you attack him + with mafia beast, thou you'll still on 1 health and he'll die.

Zeal is useless now, Matt is very powerful with his goblins.

You guys can easily end this.


That is three 100% scum and he seems to have forgotten his earlier reads which now just seem like he is setting up something to look back on and refer to when he builds his case against whichever townie he feels is weakest.

Who are scum now? Well as Fulla tells us:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2012 18:03 Fulla wrote:
It's Matt and strong then.

Good luck.


After this he follows up with a new read:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2012 07:48 Fulla wrote:
I think we've already lost, if Were is right and Prom is scum with Matthew.

Then next turn:
Mafia Beast will kill Were
Matt will kill me.
Prom will kill Strong

Only chance we stand is killing one before they attack phase, even then it's probably over already.


See we're all scum. That is what it is.

And our only hope? It is those guys who were scum two minutes ago:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2012 08:20 Fulla wrote:
Our only hope is Zeal drawing a tendrils then.

Or perhaps strong has something up his sleeves?


Show nested quote +
On July 07 2012 14:36 Fulla wrote:
On July 07 2012 13:47 Promethelax wrote:
I have looked into Matt's meta (see PYP:R) and this is how he plays as town. I am revoking my suspicions I had of him because his meta resolves all of my problems, i know this sounds dumb but he plays a very lurky weird town who always seems this level of scummy, it seems to me that he is playing totally within his town meta.

Matt: I think you are town, I'm interested in how many times Fulla has switched targets and scum teams. What are your thoughts on that behaviour? I'm going to try to look through his filter again and see what pops up.


Interesting how you only post about Matt and Fulla

Another give away.


see, I'm scum. Because I posted some reads.

But what we see is that Fulla is scum. He has been asking questions and trying to get town to direct his actions, he attacks everyone whenever he feels that the player is weak. He has hammered a bunch of townies and continued to try to direct us into another 'mislynch'

I am most sure that Fulla is scum and will be doing my best to kill him this turn. Remember this case and look into his five page filter yourself. He has accused you of being scum and he has called you a townie. He wants you to let him follow you and he doesn't want to be noticed, I've noticed him though.

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Fulla
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom519 Posts
July 08 2012 23:59 GMT
#1480
I'm all for killing Fulla, just kill Matt as well.

Strong beware, Prom will backstab and attack you at the last second. Watch out for it.
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