On July 09 2012 13:40 WereBugs-Go wrote:Okay thought things through and I think sacrificing at least one creature would be good strongandbig.
Not exactly, but kind of.
Here's why: I thought this through A LOT and I can't think of big disadvantages or big advantages, however we would get a lot of information here. To get this straight, I don't think it hurts us and I don't think it will benefit us but with what prom has recently posted we desperatly need to get clarity in here and forcing everyone to sac stuff might end up revealing hidden mafia plans if there are any. We all got a pretty good idea at what people should be saccing if they are town however if we consider what they have and what would be best for town, however we might end up seeing weird stuff. I'm not really willing to get more into details here but there are several choices you can make for different people and I think we could easily break down things that way and get clarity about what people want to do this turn and not just want people say.
I still don't have an idea what's going on in Matt-land or Prom-land and I honestly don't think they're telling the truth.
On top of that we have Prom telling people "well we should waste our damage this turn because it doesn't matter". Prom says we're at Mylo and that's complete bullshit, we're not at Mylo, we're at Lylo right now.
Just read what he's postng most recently:
Show nested quote +On July 09 2012 09:24 Promethelax wrote:On July 09 2012 09:06 Fulla wrote:Strong already made it clear, he only wants me and Matt to die.
I did say these guys won't go along with that plan
Do note how niether of us will kill WBG. This attack doesn't hurt town because he is already below the mafia beast kill threshold but hurts scum if WBG is scum which I feel that he probably is.
If Matt is doing enough damage to WBG to bring him to the point where I could kill him I will instead attack Zealos to weaken him in case he is scum.
This is clear mafia agenda. He's basicly telling people to no-lynch and hold damage back, because after all "worst case" would be you wasted your damage on someone who is going to die either way, and telling you that's not bad at all and won't change a thing.
We're at lylo right now. Every point of damage might matter in the end and it's a race against the clock before the mafia beast kills the remaining townies. How is wasting damage in that scenario not something bad?
We need to kill Matt today to give ourselves another chance to stay in the game and we need to focus our damage on prom to give ourselves a chance to kill him off.
Here's the same post:
Show nested quote +On July 09 2012 09:07 Promethelax wrote:
You already know my thoughts on that, if you go for him I'll probably go after WBG with my follow up as well, if he is townie Mafia is already able to one shot him with their beast so it won't hurt us and if he is mafia weakening him helps a great deal.
He's not even talking about what he thinks about me. He says "well if he's town I derped and it doesn't matter because he's dead anyways and if he's mafia he's not". That's not an explanation to go after someone in lylo, we need every point of damage we can get and we need people to attack who they consider to be mafia and not some "well if he's town it won't hurt so I poke him instead".
Also check out how he completly changed targets over the past 48 hours. If I remember correctly the only reason he considered me to be a mafia is that I was fosing multiple people early on. Well newsflash, I did not know how is town and who is mafia before the game started. Reads change over the game and people are wrong. I ended up being wrong on Grey and I ended up being fooled by wifom badly.
But here's how reading people works: You have a somewhat bad idea early on. Usually you get a couple of green reads early on, maybe a couple of red reads but you're not sure at all, not on d1 and most times not on d2 as well although people keep saying otherwise to sound confident in their reads to make people follow them.
Most interesting is this fact: Reads start out weak and get better and better over the course of action.
Prom basicly said I am mafia because I was not certain about someone early on and attacked multiple people. Do you people really think that is something that mafias do? Or more importantly, do you think that is something townies don't do?
I can only speak for myself but I don't usually figure out 100% mafia by the end of d1 calling every single name without calling more names than having mafia in the game. Do you? So really there is no point in saying "Well toad is suspicious because he was suspicious of multiple people early on". If anything that's a fucking town tell because of course I'm not sure about my reads early on. If you would waltz in the thread telling people otherwise that sounds more confident that you should be and therefore you're either overconfident or mafia having more information.
As mentioned, reads start out shaky and with every day they should get better as you get more and more information about what's going on (unless of course you already have all the information needed, right prom? :p).
That's what's happening in camp-Toad. Reads were a little all over the place early on because I said I consider 4 people to be scummy d1 or possible mafias and now I'm certain it's got to be Matt and Prom. Again, Prom says that's something weird but it's really not at all, it's normal for people starting with no information and gaining more information to work with over the course of action.
Now on to the important part: Look at how proms reads are changing COMPLETLY over the course of 24 hours that late in the game. Prom however was the completly opposite here.
He said very little about reads early on when it should be easy to say at least something, he never really attacked someone and always keeps half of his stuff untapped for something and he suddenly chickens out like a mad mad.
He said I'm mafia and matt is mafia as well 24 hours ago. Now he's willing to attack Zealos instead, or even Fulla.
Way to go, it's Lylo with 5 people other than you alive "well I think those 4 might end up being mafia, but just maybe".
So really, I think we have all the prove we need to consider both Matt and Prom mafia at this point and should go all attack on them. However, I'd like to see s&b sacrifice one creature to check what Prom is doing as it's not changing a thing anyways. Is he going to sac his useless blocker or is he to afraid to sac something that can block fliers when Zealos has a 10/2 flier and instead sac something that actually could be used in a good way, aka attacking someone? 
EPT
